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Six of the 66 guns discovered at airports by TSA agents over the past two weeks.
Six of the 66 guns discovered at airports by TSA agents over the past two weeks.
Another unusually active week in the categories of home invasion shootings (five) cop-involved GunFAILs (four), and hunting accidents (five). And there were three accidental discharges in retail stores this week, though one was in a gun shop, so that's either a little less of a surprise (since lots of people bring guns to gun shops) or perhaps more (since they're supposed to know what they're doing), depending on how you look at it. But I'm pretty sure gunfire at a Target store and a GNC are mostly unexpected. The second of those two incidents deserves special mention this week, since it took place in the context of an impromptu Second Amendment rights discussion. I might be assuming too much, but I'm guessing the discussion included a bit about being a law-abiding citizen and Responsible Gun OwnerTM, which makes it all the more surprising that the story ends, after the accidental discharge, with the perpetrator exclaiming that he "could not go down for this," before fleeing the store.

Topping the charts in the hunting accident category this week was the story of the 14-year-old Vermonter out for Youth Hunting weekend, and bagged himself a neighbor's Shetland pony.

Aside from the late report of the September squirrel shooting in the Mountain City, TN, Dollar General store, which doesn't count because it's so old, top CopFAILs for the week include the Wood County, WI, sheriff's deputy who drove off having forgotten his AR-15 on the trunk of his squad car would perhaps have been the top CopFAIL this week, and the situation at Ball State University. A report of a man with a gun prompted a lockdown and search, and drew law enforcement personnel from the University, the city of Muncie, Delaware County sheriff's deputies, the Indiana State Police, homeland security, and local SWAT units. No gun or gunman was found, but while they were on site, one of the SWAT officers accidentally discharged his assault rifle into the street. So file that one under armed responders arguably making things worse.

The child victims of GunFAIL this week were ages 6, 10, 13, 14, 14, 16, and one juvenile of unreported age. On the brightish side, I only found two reports of firearms found in schools in the past week, in Memphis, TN, and Barstow, CA.

Below the fold, this week's complete list.

  1. MOUNTAIN CITY, TN, 9/27/13: Jody Putnam, now a former Mountain City Police Officer, was on duty when Dollar General needed help with a squirrel in their building. According to police department records, Putnam fired his gun inside the store. "Shooting back there, of course that should not have been, that should not have happened," said property owner Carl Duffield. But that didn't work, so he tried another weapon. Duffield said, "then they began to spray it with mace and pepper spray." And the mace affected more than just the squirrel. "There was a lot of people that come out and just like me they came out and they were coughing and a hacking it was comical," said Duffield, "but I'm sure they didn't feel that way, the customers that came out." Neither did the town of Mountain City and its police department. According to the policy and procedures for the department, whenever an officer fires his gun he must immediately report it to a supervisor, then make a written statement. Putnam refused to make a report.
  2. WICONISCO TOWNSHIP, PA, 10/17/13: A Wiconisco Township man was charged with reckless endangerment after state police said he fired a round from a pistol that became lodged in the door of a car that belonged to his neighbor. John Core, 56, of Parkview Drive, was showcasing the pistol to a friend in his garage during the Oct. 17 incident, police said. Core failed to properly unload the pistol and pulled the trigger, which discharged a round that exited the garage and went through his neighbor’s garage. The bullet lodged in the passenger door of his neighbor’s vehicle, police said.
  3. POYNETTE, WI, 11/01/13: Corrective action has been taken after a police officer accidentally fired a rifle earlier this month. On Nov. 1, at about 1 a.m. a Poynette police officer was doing maintenance on a rifle when the incident occurred, according to police chief Donald White. White said the officer became distracted by a telephone call while reloading the weapon. “When he came back to finish loading the weapon, he forgot he had already set the sear,” White said in the press release. “He put the magazine in the weapon. He then went to set the sear and the weapon fired.” The round went into the chief’s office creating a hole the size of a 50-cent piece. White said the wall has been repaired and the officer was the only one in the police department at the time. “In checking with other law enforcement agencies, the accidental discharge of rifles is more common than I knew,” White said.
  4. JACKSONVILLE, FL, 11/04/13: A man is recovering after being shot in the leg Monday morning. Jahvar Devon General, 32, is accused of firing shots at the ground and hitting a 25 year old, according to a police report from the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office. Police responded to reports of a person shot in the 300 block of West 25th Street and found Marcus Dwayne Davis with a towel wrapped around the bottom of his left leg. Davis was evaluated by Jacksonville Fire and Rescue and taken to an area hospital. A witness told police General and Davis were playing around with a long gun and General fired the gun two times, with one of the shots ricocheting off the ground and hitting Davis. Police met up with Davis at the hospital who initially claimed he was shot by someone he did not see, according to the report, but later claimed he was accidently shot by General. A search warrant was issued for General's home where police allegedly found three guns and ammunition.
  5. COLUMBIA, SC, 11/04/13: Authorities say former South Carolina football player Kenny Miles shot himself last week in a parking lot and will be charged with filing a false police report. Richland County Sheriff Leon Lott said Tuesday that he will not speculate why Miles shot himself in the upper arm Nov. 4 and then lied to officers, saying he was robbed. Lott says Miles remains under a doctor's care and will be charged when he recovers. The sheriff says a gun found in Miles's trunk matched the bullet fired into his arm. Miles initially told deputies he was shot by a man trying to take his championship rings and money.
  6. WESTERVILLE, OH, 11/05/13: A 23-year-old man shot himself in the foot while cleaning his .38-caliber revolver, Westerville police reported. The incident happened at 7:30 p.m. Nov. 5 at the man's home in the 500 block of Apple Street. According to Westerville police reports, the man pulled back the hammer on the gun to check something, when the hammer slipped, causing the loaded gun to fire. The man was treated for a minor injury to his pinkie toe at Mount Carmel St. Ann's Hospital.
  7. WILLITS, CA, 11/05/13: After a man shot himself in the hand with a gun at a Brooktrails residence, deputies arrested the handgun's owner for illegal possession of a firearm. Ralph John Rumble, 38, of Brooktrails, told deputies he recently bought two guns from a friend. Rumble is prohibited by law from possessing any firearms. Deputies recovered a .380 caliber handgun and a 7.62 caliber rifle from Rumble's residence on Bear Drive. The unidentified gunshot victim told deputies he shot himself in the hand with the pistol while he and Rumble were preparing to go target shooting the morning of Nov. 5.
  8. LANEXA, VA, 11/05/13: On Nov. 9, the sheriff's office investigated such a case at a Lanexa home. A deputy was dispatched to a residence on Cooks Mill Terrace after homeowners noticed a bullet hole in the wall of their upstairs spare bedroom, and found a bullet on the floor. The couple, who wishes to not be indentified for privacy reasons, is not sure when the bullet was shot through the wall of their home, but believes it may have occurred on Nov. 5, when they heard a peculiar noise upstairs. "A member of the family heard what they thought was a picture frame falling in an unused bedroom," McLaughlin said. "On Saturday, Nov. 9, [the family member] was in the bedroom and noticed a hole in the wall and found what appeared to be a projectile." According to the family member, there were also marks and dents on two other walls, indicating that the bullet bounced around the room before falling to the floor. "The trajectory of the round led the homeowners to believe that the round was fired into the air and not at a game animal," McLaughlin said.
  9. ANNAPOLIS, MD, 11/08/13: A 15-year-old boy was taken to an Anne Arundel hospital after he told police he shot himself in the leg. Around 10:30 p.m. Friday, the teen flagged down Annapolis Police in the 700 block of Newtowne Drive and told them he'd been injured, according to a release from the police department. The Baltimore boy later admitted he had accidentally shot himself in the leg while trying to remove a handgun from his waistband, police said.
  10. CARRINGTON, ND, 11/09/13: A hunter was injured Saturday morning in an accidental shooting in southeast Foster County, Sheriff Michael Tufte reported. Tufte said a waterfowl hunter was accidentally hit in the lower abdomen after a deer hunter shot at a buck that was running toward the area where the waterfowl hunters were concealed. The waterfowl hunters heard the shooting and were putting on blaze orange clothing to become more visible when one of them was hit, Tufte said.
  11. HARTFORD TOWNSHIP, MN, 11/09/13: A Sauk Rapids man was shot Saturday in a hunting accident, the Todd County Sheriff’s Office. The incident happened about four miles north of Long Prairie in Hartford Township at about 5 p.m. Mike Dreher suffered a single gunshot wound to the right chest, the sheriff’s office said.
  12. EDEN, VT, 11/09/13: Vermont Fish and Wildlife authorities say a pony was accidentally shot and killed during Youth Hunting weekend. Officials say the pony was killed Saturday in Eden by a 14-year-old boy who thought he was shooting at a deer. Wardens who investigated the accident say the boy, who was hunting with an adult at the time, had witnessed two deer running in the pasture prior to shooting the pony. Because the 14-year-old is a juvenile, his name was not released by investigators. Vermont's top game warden, Col. Dave LeCours, says the boy violated "the cardinal rule" of hunting by not knowing for sure what his target was. LeCours says the boy and the adult he was hunting with did not violate any Fish and Wildlife laws, but they could face animal cruelty charges. He says state police and the Lamoille County state's attorney are reviewing the case.
  13. KINGSPORT, TN, 11/09/11: Dispatch was called when a city man shot himself in the foot. He told police it was an accident, he didn't know the handgun was loaded.
  14. BARTLESVILLE, OK, 11/09/13: A 50-year-old local man was reportedly injured Saturday when a small caliber handgun went off at a local gun shop. Bartlesville Police Department Capt. Jay Hastings said the shooting happened around 1 p.m. Nov. 9. “The victim had taken a pre-1950 .22 revolver in to have it looked at, and it accidentally went off and shot the customer in the groin,” Hastings told the Examiner-Enterprise.
  15. ROCKFORD, IL, 11/10/13: It appears Saturday night's shooting on Montague was an accident, all caused by men playing with a gun. Rockford Police say two or three men were playing with a revolver around 9:30 p.m. Saturday the home at 621 Montague when it accidentally went off, shooting one man in the chest. He is expected to be okay. No one was charged.
  16. MYRTLE BEACH, SC, 11/10/13: A 21-year-old man suffered a gunshot wound to his leg Sunday afternoon and was treated at an area hospital, according to authorities. The victim told officers that he was in a mobile home near the Racepath area about 3:30 p.m. Sunday when he shot himself in the right thigh, police said. The victim said he was on the bed inside his friend’s house, but the victim did not know the exact address, according to the report. The victim said he opened the night stand, saw a small black gun and removed it. The victim said as he removed the gun, he pulled the trigger and shot himself, according to the report. The victim said he ran out of the house and a woman saw him and drove him to South Strand Medical Center.
  17. COLUMBIA, SC, 11/10/13: A 14-year-old girl remains in critical condition after what police are calling an accidental shooting. Investigators say it appears the teen was among a group of children at Latimer Manor on Lorick Circle playing with a gun Sunday night when it went off. Police say a 16-year-old boy has been charged with unlawful possession of a pistol in connection with the incident.
  18. DOVER, NC, 11/10/13:  A teenager is recovering at the hospital after deputies say he shot himself in the hand with a pistol. Officials with the Craven County Sheriff’s Office tell us it happened at a home on Main Street in Dover around 9:10 Sunday. We’re told the 13-year-old victim was gathering some items with his mother for his hospitalized grandfather from the man’s home. Officials say the teen found a single-shot pistol which fired and hit him in the hand. Officials say fired was believed to be a .410 round.
  19. MT. GILEAD, OH, 11/10/13: At about 4:20 p.m. Sunday, deputies responded to the 6000 block of Township Road 86 in regards to a shooting. According to the news release, a 14-year-old Morrow County girl had shot herself in the abdomen with a rifle. She was flown to Nationwide Children’s Hospital, where her condition is listed as serious.
  20. MEADVILLE, PA, 11/10/13: The investigation continues into the apparently accidental shooting of a juvenile early Sunday morning in Meadville’s Fifth Ward. Shortly after midnight, Meadville Police were dispatched to the Lincoln Avenue area in response to a report of shots fired, Police Chief Eric Young told the Tribune Tuesday. “Officers checked the area and found nothing,” Young said. “No one was located and numerous juveniles were spoken to but no information was gained.” Just over three hours later, officers were dispatched to Meadville Medical Center to investigate a report of a juvenile male found to have a gunshot wound to his lower abdomen. “Through the investigation thus far, the incident looks as though it was an accidental shooting, but the incident is still being investigated,” Young said, noting that another juvenile male has been identified as the subject who fired the shot.
  21. LITTLE ROCK, AR, 11/11/13: Police are searching for a suspect in an attempted robbery that occurred early Monday afternoon. Officers and emergency crews responded to the call at Trinity Circle shortly after 1 p.m. Monday, where police say three suspects ran to the home after an attempted robbery at an unknown location, prompting the resident to call 911. According to LRPD detectives, one of the suspects shot himself in the leg, and was taken to a local hospital for treatment, one suspect is in custody and the other is still on the loose.
  22. LITTLE ROCK, AR, 11/11/13: A woman was unknowingly shot in Little Rock Monday night. Lt. Sidney Allen says a woman was taking out the trash between 10:30 and 11 p.m. in the 3400 block of W. 14th Street. Allen says she heard a gunshot and thought nothing of it and went inside and went to bed. Allen says she woke up Tuesday morning and saw blood in her bed and went to the hospital. An x-ray revealed she had a bullet in the back of her leg; the injury is non life-threatening.
  23. MINNEOTA TOWNSHIP, MN, 11/11/13: A hunting accident was reported in Jackson County on Monday. Authorities report that it took place around 2:20 p.m. Monday in Minnesota [sic] Township of Jackson County. According to the Jackson County Sheriff’s Office, a group of deer hunters were walking a grove at an abandoned farm place hunting for deer. One person was walking through a grove on the property while others were posting. A deer ran between two hunters and shots were fired.
  24. FRANKLIN, NE, 11/11/13: The Franklin County Sheriff’s Office is investigating an accidental shooting that occurred Monday afternoon near Franklin. According to the sheriff’s office, one person was transported to Good Samaritan Hospital in Kearney via AirCare after being involved in a hunting accident east of Franklin at about 12:30 p.m.
  25. AUGUSTA, GA, 11/11/13: The gun Dominique Sullivan, 19, used to shoot his friend accidentally was stolen four days before the shooting, Capt. Steve Morris with the Columbia County Sheriff's Office said. The Columbia County Sheriff's Office confirms the gun was stolen from an unlocked Dodge parked on Fairfax Street in Martinez the Thursday before the shooting. On Nov. 11, the Richmond County Sheriff's Office responded to 2560 Andorra Drive to find 18-year-old Delarrion Smith with a gunshot wound to the chest. Smith later died from his injuries at GRU. Witnesses told deputies Smith picked up Suillivan and that the two were close friends.They said once Sullivan got into the vehicle, he began horseplaying with Smith. According to the sheriff's office, Smith pulled out a handgun and pointed it at Sullivan in a playful manner. Sullivan grabbed the gun and removed the magazine then pointed the gun at Smith and pulled the trigger believing the handgun was unloaded.
  26. RONKONKOMA, NY, 11/12/13:  A Ronkonkoma man lost a toe when a shotgun in the bedroom of his home fell onto the floor and accidentally discharged late Tuesday night, Suffolk County police said. The identity of the man was not released. Police said he was taken to Stony Brook University Hospital for treatment of non life-threatening injuries. The accident occurred at 11:31 p.m. at a home on Bradford Avenue, police said. Police had no available information about the shotgun gauge—or what caused it to discharge. Police said the force of the blast caused the victim to lose a toe on his right foot. There were no charges in the incident, which police said has been ruled an accident.
  27. VICKSBURG, MS, 11/12/13: Relatives tell News Channel 12 that a six-year-old girl is on life support after a family friend accidentally shot her in the head. Warren County Sheriff Martin Pace said it happened on Cooper Road around 11 a.m. Tuesday morning. A 16 year old was taken into custody, Pace said. The victim's name is Jamerica Ragsdale who family says is the youngest of five siblings. Joe'l Johnson, Jamerica's sister, said on Monday [sic] night that Jamerica's heart is still pumping but doctors are telling them her injury is too severe for her to recover. The person in custody is the boyfriend of a family member who relatives say was messing with the .22 caliber handgun that seemed to be jammed, Johnson said. Authorities said two shots were actually fired in the process. Several children were home when that happened. Authorities said those shots went through the walls from the bedroom to the living room.
  28. MANSFIELD, OH, 11/12/13: A man handling a firearm near the 800 block of West Fourth Street around 4:30 p.m. Tuesday shot himself in the leg, according to Mansfield police. The victim, Michael Doyon, 21, was taken to MedCentral/Mansfield Hospital and is expected to recover, Sgt. Chad Brubaker said. “We believe it was self-inflicted,” Brubaker said at the scene. “It’s evolving rapidly at this point.” The man is believed to have accidentally discharged the firearm at another location before seeking help at StarTek Inc., on West Fourth Street.
  29. WILKESBORO, NC, 11/12/13: A man accidentally discharged his gun inside a Wilkesboro GNC store during a discussion about the second amendment, striking a printer, according to police. According to a Wilkesboro Police Dept. incident report, officers responded to the GNC store on Winkler Street around 8 p.m. Tuesday. A witness told police he was speaking to a customer and they were discussing second amendment rights and guns around 6:50 p.m. The customer then pulled out his handgun and accidentally fired a shot, striking a printer, the witness said. The customer then reportedly told the worker “he could not go down for this.” The customer was described as a white male, younger than 28 years old, brown hair, brown eyes, 5’8″ and around 170 pounds. He left the store in an early 2000s model dark colored Honda Civic.
  30. MAGNOLIA, TX, 11/12/13: The Montgomery County Sheriff’s Office is investigating an incident in which a Magnolia man was accidentally shot and killed during a struggle with his father. Deputies first responded to a report of a shooting shortly after 2:30 a.m. Tuesday in the 29000 block of Baltic Avenue in Magnolia, according to a press release. The deputies found Rodolfo Alvarez, 19, had suffered a gunshot wound to the head and was pronounced dead at the scene. Witnesses told deputies that Alvarez became angry when he and others were asked to leave the scene, according to the release. He then allegedly produced a rifle and threatened to shoot his father. A struggle over the gun ensued and the rifle discharged, striking Alvarez in the head.
  31. MARRERO, LA, 11/12/13: A Bridge City man showing off a pistol accidentally shot a teenager in Marrero, authorities said. Ryan Bellanger, 21, is also accused of possessing a stolen gun, according to Glen T. Boyd, spokesman for the Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Office. Deputies were called to West Jefferson Medical Center in Marrero about 2 p.m. Monday [sic] (Nov. 12) after an 18 year old arrived with a gunshot wound to his upper right torso, an arrest report said. The teen, who is expected to recover from the wound, told investigators the shooting occurred at a residence located at 5027 Woodstream Drive in Marrero. The teen said Bellanger pulled a pistol from his waistband, and the gun discharged. He refused to press charges against Bellanger. But deputies who searched the Woodstream Drive residence found a .9mm pistol that had been reported stolen out of Mississippi, the report said. Deputies also recovered a .22-caliber pistol and several magazines of ammunition, the arrest report said. Bellanger is on probation for gun and drug charges, according to records from Jefferson Parish's 24th Judicial District Court. He pleaded guilty on Sept. 9 to possession of a firearm with an obliterated serial number, illegally carrying weapons and possession of marijuana. Judge Nancy Miller gave him a suspended prison sentence and a term of in-house probation, court records said.
  32. GOSHEN, IN, 11/12/13: A rural Goshen man was lying in bed when a bullet was shot into his bedroom Tuesday night. Elkhart County police were called to the home of Bryan Corbridge, 50, 57191 Sequoia Drive, Goshen, at 10:57 p.m. Corbridge told police that the shot came through the outside wall. He did not know who shot the bullet and he was not injured.
  33. HAWKS, MI, 11/12/13: Police say an accidental shooting killed a young boy. Tuesday night, Presque Isle County deputies responded to the scene of an accidental shooting. They found a 10-year-old boy from Hawks dead from the gunshot wound.
  34. DOVER, NH, 11/13/13: Police charged Timothy James Stone, 23, of 42 Main St. #16, Dover, with felony reckless conduct. At approximately 1:37 a.m. that morning, a resident of 42 Main St. contacted the Dover Police Department and reported that at approximately 11:30 p.m., while sleeping, he had heard a loud bang and initially didn’t think anything of it. At approximately 1:30 a.m. he woke to find what appeared to be a bullet hole in a wall that separates his apartment from a neighboring apartment. Officers immediately responded to the building and began to investigate. The investigation revealed that at approximately 11:30 p.m. while inside his apartment (42 Main St. #16), Stone discharged one round from a Colt M-4 Carbine rifle. The bullet traveled through the wall separating Stone’s apartment from the reporting resident’s apartment. The bullet entered the reporting resident’s apartment approximately 3 feet from where he had been sleeping, continued into the living room, passed through a sofa and was located intact.
  35. HURST, TX, 11/13/13: An employee at a North Texas Target accidentally shot himself in the hand with a gun dropped by a customer on Wednesday afternoon, police say. Hurst Police Assistant Chief Steve Niekamp said a shopper with a concealed handgun license brought the .22 caliber revolver into the store at 1400 Precinct Line Road. As he was leaving, the small gun fell out of his pocket without his knowledge. A store employee who found the gun thought it was a lighter and tested the trigger, shooting himself in the hand, Niekamp said.
  36. CHICAGO, IL, 11/14/13: A Cook County sheriff's deputy was hospitalized Thursday afternoon after he was accidentally shot in the foot, a sheriff office spokesman said. The deputy was injured about 3 p.m. in an "accidental discharge of a firearm," said Ben Breit, a spokesman for Cook County Sheriff Tom Dart. He could not say if the deputy had shot himself. Breit said the deputy was hit in the foot and was taken to an area hospital "as a precaution." No one else was injured when the gun discharged in the lobby area of the sheriff's office's administration building at 3026 S. California Ave., Breit said.
  37. HERKIMER, NY, 11/14/13: A Herkimer man has been charged with firing a rifle inside an apartment complex in the village, police said Thursday. Jerry Holmes, 21, of 115 N. Main St., was charged with first-degree reckless endangerment, a felony, following a complaint that a bullet traveled through the wall of Holmes’s apartment into a next door apartment where a mother and daughter were sleeping, Herkimer police. Police recovered the bullet after it lodged in a couch, police said. No injuries were reported.
  38. SCARBOROUGH, ME, 11/14/13: A Portland woman found with a gunshot wound in her head Thursday night in Scarborough was the victim of an accidental shooting, police said Friday. Carol Dorney, 47, was transported to Maine Medical Center after Scarborough police responded to a reported shooting at 38 Running Hill Road and found the Portland woman wounded in the driveway. Police received the call at 9:44 p.m. Thursday, according to a Friday morning news release issued by the department. After detaining what the release called “several people” from the scene, investigators declined to press charges against anyone, Detective Sgt. Rick Rouse of the Scarborough Police Department said Friday. “The initial investigation has indicated that this was an accidental discharge of a firearm, and it doesn’t look like there are going to be any charges,” Rouse told the Bangor Daily News. According to Rouse, the homeowner at the location was confused about an altercation taking place in his driveway, heard somebody say, “I’ll kill you” and mistakenly believed the threat to be directed at him. The homeowner then came out of his residence with a gun, lost his handle on the weapon, and it fired as he bobbled it. “He didn’t mean to aim it or anything,” Rouse said. “He was just carrying it out.”
  39. ORLANDO, FL, 11/14/13: Orange County deputies have arrested a man they say killed his wife who was pregnant with his twin boys. According to deputies, Michael Boyce initially told investigators that his wife, Alexis Boyce, shot herself in their apartment but his story later changed when he was confronted with more evidence. He eventually told deputies that he accidentally shot her in the head, Sgt. Mike Ruggiero said late Thursday. Alexis and Michael Boyce had been married about a year. She was eight months pregnant with twins when she was killed. Only one of the boys survived. Ruggiero said the infant was in critical condition Thursday night. He is the neonatal intensive care unit at Winnie Palmer Hospital for Women & Babies. UPDATE: The second twin didn't make it, either.
  40. VESPER, WI, 11/14/13: A Wood County deputy who left his county-issued assault rifle on the trunk of his squad car on Thursday afternoon, then drove away, can breathe a little easier. Someone found it and turned it in. The person who found the unloaded AR-15 rifle returned it to Wood County authorities, according to a Sheriff’s Department news release. At about 3 p.m. Thursday, a deputy was putting the rifle into his vehicle and inadvertently left it on the trunk and drove away, Lt. Shawn Becker said. The department reported the rifle was found about 3 hours later. Authorities thought the rifle was somewhere along Wisconsin 186 or Wood County HH or F in the towns of Hansen, Sigel or Vesper. The deputy will serve a 12-hour suspension effective immediately, Wood County sheriff’s Chief Deputy Randal Dorhorst told WSAW-TV of Wausau. The deputy will be reinstated after the suspension.
  41. HIGHLAND TOWNSHIP, MI, 11/14/13: A 36-year-old Highland Township man is recovering at Royal Oak Beaumont Hospital after he was allegedly shot in the face Nov. 14 at his home along the 4700 block of Hickory. According to a report, deputies were dispatched to the home via 9-1-1 shortly after 7 p.m. for a gunshot wound and were told the victim was accidentally shot by a friend, a 37-year-old White Lake man, who then fled the scene but later returned and turned himself in to deputies. “We’re looking at it as an accident right now, but we’re continuing the investigation,” said Highland Substation Commander Sgt. Matt Snyder, noting the victim thus far has been medically unable to speak with detectives. “He’s still in the hospital and will have to undergo surgery.” A report issued by the Oakland County Sheriff’s Office said alcohol appeared to be a factor in the incident. The report also said the man fled on foot to the nearby Highland Hills Golf Course after the shooting while still armed with the weapon, a 9mm handgun, while allegedly making suicidal statements that his “life was now over” and “I’m gonna kill myself.” A perimeter was established by deputies from Highland, as well as Commerce, the Oakland County Sheriff’s Office Alcohol Enforcement Unit and a K9 Unit, which established but later lost a track on the man. When the man later returned to the residence and turned himself in to deputies, he allegedly said he disposed of the gun somewhere on the golf course. Deputies were not immediately able to locate the weapon and returned during daylight hours to continue the search. Snyder said only “pieces” of the gun were recovered.
  42. MUNCIE, IN, 11/15/13: Authorities conducted a massive search on the Ball State University campus Friday afternoon after several witnesses reported to police they heard a man yelling "Gun! Gun! Gun!" in the Health and Physical Activity Building. After more than 3 1/2 hours, however, police found no gunman or evidence that a threat had been made. Ball State University Police Department officers were the first on the scene, and were quickly joined by officers with the Muncie Police Department, the Delaware County Sheriff's Office and the Indiana State Police. Delaware County Emergency Management Agency and homeland security was also on hand to assist, as police staged at McKinley and Neely avenues as traffic in the area was being diverted. Early on in the situation, officials stressed to those on the scene that it was not an active shooter situation, but that it was a perceived threat and they were searching the area accordingly. Several local SWAT officers entered and searched the four-building complex. Officers, students and staff nearby were temporarily put on high alert just less than two hours into the search when a loud "bang" was heard along Neely Avenue, in front of the Recreation and Wellness Center. Eaton police Chief Jonathon Snodgrass confirmed to the Star Press Friday evening that one of his officer's assault rifles accidentally discharged a single bullet into the street. Snodgrass—who preliminarily blamed the discharged firearm on a "malfunction"—said the gun will be inspected on Monday. The gunshot caused a short-lived panic for those standing nearby, however. Officers commanded students and staff evacuating nearby buildings to rush to safety into the College of Architecture and Planning building. Ball State junior Becca Sutton was one of those students standing nearby when the officer's gun discharged. She said up until that point, she felt safe, given the large police presence in the area. "After that, I mean, I was like shaking," Sutton said.
  43. PEND OREILLE, WA, 11/15/13: A 16-year-old boy died of a gunshot wound in rural Pend Oreille County on Friday. Sergio M. Tinajero, 16, of Yakima, was found dead near the 1800 block of Deer Valley Park Road after 4 p.m., according to a news release from the Pend Oreille County Sheriff’s Office. The body was found about a quarter-mile down a logging road and 200 yards into the woods. Tinajero was hunting with family members when he was shot, according to the release. It appeared the boy died of a single gunshot wound.
  44. MARRERO, LA, 11/15/13: A Marrero man who spun a tale of being wounded by an unidentified gunman eventually came clean to authorities and admitted he accidentally shot himself. Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Office dispatchers received reports of gunfire near 6th Avenue and Ames Boulevard in Marrero on Friday around 8:30 p.m., according to Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Office arrest and incident reports. The deputy went to the Marrero hospital and spoke with Jamil McKey, 25, who said he had been shot by an unidentified man in a black vehicle, the incident report said. But when the deputy confronted him with inconsistencies in his statement, McKey told the truth. McKey said he was carrying a .9mm pistol on his hip when it discharged as he was getting out of a vehicle near 6th and Ames, according to the report. McKey's girlfriend called 9-1-1, but McKey left the scene. He was afraid to tell the truth because he is on parole.
  45. SOUTH JORDAN, UT, 11/15/13: On Nov. 15, 2013, 12-year-old Taylor Wheeler and Dayton Gessell, 15, died of single gunshot wounds. The two were part of a larger group of boys in the basement of a house at 4781 W. Pine Canyon Way. Neither boy lived in the house. Three others, including two brothers who lived at the home, were also in the basement at the time — a 16-year-old and two 14-year-olds. South Jordan police determined that Taylor was shot by Dayton, who then died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. But detectives at the time said the investigation into where the guns came from, what the boys were doing or whether the initial shooting was intentional were still being investigated. Now, after months of investigating, detectives believe the boys were playing with stolen guns and pointing them at each other when Dayton's gun accidentally fired and killed Taylor, said South Jordan police officer Sam Winkler. "We believe that Dayton intentionally shot himself as a result of the stressful situation of what just happened," he told the Deseret News.

Originally posted to David Waldman on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 07:23 PM PST.

Also republished by Daily Kos.


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  •  Everyone should be allowed to carry a weapon (23+ / 0-)

    ... at all times.

    Until they prove they shouldn't be allowed to carry a weapon at all times.

    And that's only when they've been convicted of something. Because, otherwise, SECOND AMENDMENT!!,

    Oh, and George Zimmerman.

    (Let's keep in mind that the only reason a fucking moron like George Zimmerman is allowed to carry a gun is because people like our very own DKos resident concealed and open carry contingent, in conjunction with the asshole lobbyists from the NRA and other gun groups, made sure that carrying a gun is a goddamned right.)

    Which is yet another reason why all the idiots in your posts also have guns.

    "Bob Johnson doesn't have special privileges, because really, why would I entrust that guy with ANYTHING?" - kos November 9, 2013

    by Bob Johnson on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 07:36:57 PM PST

    •  Why do you hate freedom ? (13+ / 0-)

      If people are not at Liberty to shoot themselves and their loved ones ...

      "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

      by indycam on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 07:49:36 PM PST

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    •  And this is the point they miss (22+ / 0-)

      ...the entire point of these GunFail diaries.  At least to me.  

      Look, there is a certain percentage of people in this country who shouldn't be trusted with a fucking spoon.  They shouldn't be trusted to drive, they shouldn't be trusted prepare food, they shouldn't be trusted to perform first aid on another person.  They shouldn't be trusted to pick up trash on the roadside without armed supervision.  

      But they should be trusted with any type and number of firearms and they should be able to acquire them quickly, cheaply, and carry them anywhere they want.  And nobody should infringe on that even a tiny bit until they actually shoot somebody.  

      Look, my position is that we should weed out as many of the "can't be trusted with a spoon" idiots from gun ownership as we can.  Universal background checks, training requirements, licensing and registration, and waiting periods are all examples of policies that could weed out some criminals, nuts, and morons while not restricting the ability of competent people to purchase and use firearms.  But for some reason the absolutists oppose these.  

      Another way to weed out some idiots is to restrict or discourage certain weapons.  TACTICOOL guns like Glocks and AR-15s with high-capacity magazines and accessories appeal to guys who just want to look menacing or want to make a political statement.  Idiots who think those are good reasons to carry highly-deadly weapons belong in the "no spoons" category.  I personally believe that "scary black rifles" really are a greater hazard than rifles with more traditional looks but similar capabilities because they appeal to a completely different group of people--people less trained than hunters, who are generally hostile to regulation and government, and are attracted to the intimidation factor of the weapons.  I see no overlap between the interests of hunters and the interests of black rifle nuts and I am baffled that true hunters let these people hide behind them instead of making the black riflers defend their views on their own merits.      

      Political compass: -8.75 / -4.72

      by Mark Mywurtz on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 08:19:19 PM PST

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      •  Well... (1+ / 0-)
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        Look, my position is that we should weed out as many of the "can't be trusted with a spoon" idiots from gun ownership as we can.  Universal background checks,
        So you don't want people selling to prohibited persons. Good, me neither. Problem is, making it super-double-illegal to do so instead of just regular illegal isn't going to achieve that. Somebody who's reselling firearms to felons is all ready uncaring about the idea of doing ten in prison. However what we could do is open up the same channels that FFL holders use to private sellers, so they can do the extra bit of due diligence and background check people they're selling to without having to go through an FFL.
        training requirements,
        Also not a problem, provided that it's not set up in a fashion that is meant more as a blanket barrier to ownership than it is to provide training that produces safe and competent firearms owners. I'd prefer something similar to the Czech Republic, which includes first aid training. Thing is, having comprehensive training that isn't prohibitively expensive is going to mean government subsidy of the training. Given the resounding "I don't want my tax dollars paying for your death toys" that greeted the last time someone proposed that idea around here and the fact that many here seem to prefer reducing ownership over safe ownership, I won't be holding my breath waiting.
        The model used by the Czech Republic incorporates licensing and would be pretty much perfect in that the license must be renewed every five years.


        and registration,
        Nope, and I'll explain why in a minute.
        I see no overlap between the interests of hunters and the interests of black rifle nuts and I am baffled that true hunters let these people hide behind them instead of making the black riflers defend their views on their own merits.
        I will explain where those interests overlap: those hunters aren't morons and they're not ignorant of both American history and world history when it comes to their interests. Pardon the pun here, but you folks have kinda shot yourselves in the foot repeatedly over the past 20-odd years or so with your attempts to peel hunters away from the "black rifle nuts". Part of the problem is that you keep pointing to your shining examples of the UK and Australia, two countries where "black rifles" were first on the block and were then followed by damn near everything else, with registration being the prequel to confiscation. The other part of the problem is that you have big headliners like Diane Feinstein who simply will not be silenced when they start blabbering about how they want most or all privately owned firearms gone. I mean, you've got plenty of quotes like this one from Pete Shields of the Brady Campaign floating around:
        "We'll take one step at a time, and the first is necessarily — given the political realities — very modest. We'll have to start working again to strengthen the law, and then again to strengthen the next law and again and again. Our ultimate goal, total control of handguns, is going to take time. The first problem is to slow down production and sales. Next is to get registration. The final problem is to make possession of all handguns and ammunition (with a few exceptions) totally illegal."
        You want to know why the "absolutists" oppose you? This is why. Because you can talk all day about how you want "common sense firearms laws" and how you aren't against all gun owners, "just the irresponsible ones", but the people actually making changes at the policy level can't stop giving up the game. They, like a lot of people on this site, have manage to convince themselves that firearms owners are a great bloody lot of idiots and won't figure anything out even if they start laying it all out like a comic-book supervillain doing a monologue.

        Honestly, your side is pretty much its own worst enemy. You talk to firearms owners about safety training and then snicker behind their backs about how many of them will hopefully give up owning guns because of the expense. You talk about how you don't want to get rid of all guns and then the model societies you point to are ones that have tried to do or have accomplished that very thing.  You can't stay consistent and people don't really like being lied to or tricked. Plus the sneering contempt and amateur psychoanalysis things aren't very endearing either.

        •  Sounds a bit like projection: (10+ / 0-)
          Honestly, your side is pretty much its own worst enemy.
          (See examples 1-44 above.)
          •  Considering that a good number of those (0+ / 0-)

            seem that they might be prohibited persons in possession of firearms, they're hardly my side despite the attempts to associate myself and other legal firearms owners with them.

            But that would go back to that dishonesty and contempt thing I was talking about earlier, so thanks for reinforcing my point.

        •  Sippery Slope (15+ / 0-)

          You've mistaken me for a republican who would actually believe drivel such as any attempt at firearms regulation, no matter how reasonable is just a step in the attempt to melt down all guns and and enslave the population.  It's bogus and such an argument could be used to opposed virtually any law.  

          I don't speak for any "group" or "side" and I don't care about or apologize for anything Pete Shields or anyone else says.  I notice that you didn't try to deny the fact that there truly are a lot of people who shouldn't be trusted with guns (and not just "prohibited persons", but also plain stupid/untrained/reckless/unstable people) or that they currently have ready access to an arsenal of their choosing without much difficulty.  For some reason, looking at your brief history here of "All Gunz All The Time", I'm gonna guess you probably don't even consider that a problem.

          (I'm also gonna guess there might be something fishy about you starting an account around the time a certain other gun-lover of eerily similar tone who you don't happen to follow was given a timeout.  Unless guys like you just all sound the same.)  

          you folks have kinda shot yourselves in the foot repeatedly over the past 20-odd years or so with your attempts to peel hunters away from the "black rifle nuts".
          I don't have time to address just how bogus all of your above points are, but let's be honest about your quote above:  Is there ANY fucking proposed strengthening of gun laws people like you wouldn't characterize as shooting ourselves in the foot?  Somehow, I doubt it.  And I AM a hunter, consider my peeled away from the black rifle nuts long ago.  In fact, it's absolutely ridiculous that you try to characterize me as anti-gun.  I'm a gun owner, but I'm not drinking the koolaid of denial.  We really DO need stronger gun laws.  You CAN be for legitimate uses of firearms and private ownership of firearms without being for easy availability of military grade weapons to virtually anyone.  Cancel your NRA subscription and that might get a chance to sink in.  

          I don't at all think that gun owners are idiots.  But I do think that gun owners comprise a demographic where idiots (stupid/untrained/reckless/unstable people) can't be tolerated because they are a danger to others and should be weeded out to the extent possible by regulations I mentioned above.  Unfortunately, the NRA and other gun manufacturer front groups have welcomed the idiots with open arms and stoked their paranoia to the point that we have idiots overrepresented in the gun owner demographic.  I'm not sure why non-idiot gun owners would tolerate or support that.  

          And don't try to paint me with that broad brush about proposing a reasonable regulation then finding ways to make it too burdensome to comply with.  There are examples of both throughout our government.  Building permits and driver's licenses are examples of license requirements that do prevent legitimate exercise of those activities--if anything, those ought to be more restrictive in some aspects.  Voter suppression laws are an example of "licensing" requirements that are often too burdensome to comply with.  

          Right now, we are SO far to the permissive end when it comes to guns, I have little concern about licensing gun owners or registering guns.  There are states right now that register owners, but all you have to do is get your photo taken--you don't even have to prove competency--yet people bitch about those.  Personally, I would like there to be training requirements, licensing, and registration very similar in burden to the same required for driving.  I don't really have a problem with government funds being used for that PROVIDED:

          1) It isn't just set up as a way to funnel tax money to the NRA or similar groups through them providing the training.  I refuse to fund a platform for them to disseminate right-wing talking points.  The trainers should actually be employees/contractors of state or federal government with actual curriculum developed by the agency.

          2) It isn't mandatory in school.  You should have to actually seek the training, not just have it bestowed upon you in a blanket cert because you were present in a classroom.  We know that kids slide through other classes without learning the material.  Besides, parents should have a choice on this one.

          3)  Gun owners are responsible for at least a portion of the funding.  No taking it from national parks, schools, or whatever.  An insignificant tax on each firearm transaction would probably amount to plenty of money without much pain to anyone and result in reduction in public funds that are expended when firearm accidents occur.    

          Political compass: -8.75 / -4.72

          by Mark Mywurtz on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 04:42:17 AM PST

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          •  Tell it! (5+ / 0-)

            "What could BPossibly go wrong??" -RLMiller "God is just pretend." - eru

            by nosleep4u on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 04:10:35 PM PST

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          •  Preach to someone else (0+ / 0-)
            You've mistaken me for a republican who would actually believe drivel such as any attempt at firearms regulation, no matter how reasonable is just a step in the attempt to melt down all guns and and enslave the population.
            And you've just dumbed down what I said to the kind of drivel you would get from a republican. Unfortunately this does not change what I actually said, which is that there is a very clear and vocal segment of your "sensible gun regulation" crowd that wants private firearms ownership as limited as possible, using the rubric of "public safety" to accomplish that goal and many of them are on record as saying precisely that. Nothing about melting down all guns and enslaving the population, just that the people you've got on tap to draft up your "sensible gun laws" are by their own admission more desirous of curtailing or eliminating firearms ownership than they are of curtailing firearms injuries or deaths by promoting responsible and safe ownership of firearms. It's the old gag of "Nobody wants to take your guns, except all of these people who keep saying that that's exactly what they want, which only goes to prove how paranoid and irrational you are for noticing them.".

            Also, they consider your firearms to be as odious and unnecessary in a "civilized society" as mine, only they (usually) won't say it to your face and they might actually wait until you leave the room before they express their desire for you to perish in a hunting accident.

            I notice that you didn't try to deny the fact that there truly are a lot of people who shouldn't be trusted with guns (and not just "prohibited persons", but also plain stupid/untrained/reckless/unstable people) or that they currently have ready access to an arsenal of their choosing without much difficulty.  For some reason, looking at your brief history here of "All Gunz All The Time", I'm gonna guess you probably don't even consider that a problem.
            I'm gonna guess you suck at mind-reading. And this is the part where I point out that you just glossed right over the example I provided of the system I believe I referred to as "perfect" (the Czech Republic's system), which requires training and proof of competency and accuracy as well as including coursework in first aid. But that doesn't really fit too well with your "he doesn't have a problem with untrained idiots having as many guns as they want" assumptions, so you just skipped right over it. Twice. So I'll go ahead and link it for you and hope the third time's the charm.


            I'm also gonna guess there might be something fishy about you starting an account around the time a certain other gun-lover of eerily similar tone who you don't happen to follow was given a timeout.  Unless guys like you just all sound the same.
            Awesome, so we're going to squeeze a sockpuppet accusation in here too while we're mischaracterizing my arguments and ignoring things I've said that inconveniently don't line up with your assumptions. Here's an idea, take five seconds and google my username and you'll find that while I just registered on Kos recently, I've been commenting elsewhere under this nym for years. So sorry to disappoint, but I'm not some old nemesis in disguise. Only place I've ever been banned from was a right-wing firearms forum for being too liberal. Go figure.
            Is there ANY fucking proposed strengthening of gun laws people like you wouldn't characterize as shooting ourselves in the foot?
            Well if you can find me some legislation that's not based on an arbitrary number of rounds in a magazine (Nine rounds = good, ten rounds = king hell abomination what kills children and puppies) or the appearance of the firearm rather than the mechanism by which it works (AR-15 = bad, Ruger ranch rifle = okay fine) or that isn't written by someone who knows less than squat about firearms (because shoulder things that go up, um, they make killing easier or something), I imagine that might not be foot-shooty. Good luck with that search.
            And I AM a hunter, consider my peeled away from the black rifle nuts long ago.  In fact, it's absolutely ridiculous that you try to characterize me as anti-gun.  I'm a gun owner, but I'm not drinking the koolaid of denial.
            You're a gun owner who's hoping they'll leave you alone when they're done with us black rifle nuts. So you're not anti-gun, you're pro-your-own-guns-and-screw-the-rest-of-you-because-you're-not-my-people. You only have to look at the fairly recent history of gun ownership in the UK and Australia to see how well that's going to work out for you. Whether you like it or not, us black rifle nuts are standing between you and the people who think you're only slightly less abhorrent than we are and they're not really going to care that you tossed us to them of your own volition. Seriously, have a look around the site and see what your fellow "sensible gun laws" folks have to say about hunters when they're not trying to butter you up. They tolerate you because you agree with them about most things but at the end of the day you're just another gun-toting savage they're going to have to civilize. You're not going to get a free pass just because you tossed us under the bus when they asked you to.
            You CAN be for legitimate uses of firearms and private ownership of firearms without being for easy availability of military grade weapons to virtually anyone.
            "Military grade" in this context is a meaningless catchphrase whose only purpose is to evoke images of warfare and carnage. Your own hunting rifles have more in common with the sniper rifles used by the military than my semi-automatic does with the select-fire weapons used by the military.
            Cancel your NRA subscription and that might get a chance to sink in.
            Again, you suck at guessing. I haven't been a member of the NRA for over twenty years and would never give them a cent. But this "NRA talking point" bullshit is basically trying to tell me that if the NRA says the sky is blue then obviously it can't be blue because the NRA said it is. Something truthful doesn't become a lie when it's repeated by a liar and something intelligent doesn't become stupid because an idiot repeats it. Focusing on the messenger instead of the message is rubbish.
            And don't try to paint me with that broad brush about proposing a reasonable regulation then finding ways to make it too burdensome to comply with.
            Oh it's not you. It's the people you're backing or supporting, many of whom are on record as saying they want to reduce, discourage or eliminate private firearms ownership. There's at least one diary here I can think of off the top of my head where the idea of mandatory insurance has been put forth not just as a method of offsetting the "societal cost of firearm ownership" but also as a way to create a financial barrier or disincentive to firearm ownership. Seriously, do you even read the other comments around here? If I had a dime for every time someone here has proposed something that they've clearly stated is intended to discourage or practically eliminate private ownership of firearms I'd have a fuckton of dimes.

            This is the problem you're going to run into with the "licensing and training similar to that for driving" idea. It's not us evil black rifle owners that will oppose it, it's the "sensible gun control crowd" that want fewer firearms owners rather than trained and competent firearms owners. The only way they'll go for it is if it comes entirely out of the pocket of firearms owners and it's exorbitantly expensive. It's not like this is some sort of state secret either.

            It isn't just set up as a way to funnel tax money to the NRA or similar groups through them providing the training.  I refuse to fund a platform for them to disseminate right-wing talking points.  The trainers should actually be employees/contractors of state or federal government with actual curriculum developed by the agency.
            Oh hey look, something we actually agree on. Unfortunately the NRA has the monopoly on training certifications right now. Good friend of mine had to hold his nose and go through their program so that he can be certified and provide an alternative to people who don't want a right-wing indoctrination along with their firearms training.
            It isn't mandatory in school.  You should have to actually seek the training, not just have it bestowed upon you in a blanket cert because you were present in a classroom.  We know that kids slide through other classes without learning the material.  Besides, parents should have a choice on this one.
            Sure, parents can have the same choice that they do when it comes to sex education: you can have your kids abstain from it if you think that'll work but you're not going to force abstinence on everybody. Sticking your head in the sand and hoping the bad things go away is not a viable educational strategy. Note that I'm not talking about teaching anybody how to shoot. I'm talking about basic safety training plus basic first aid. No firearms handling involved, period. And I don't give a damn if some people slide through classes without learning the material, we don't stop teaching math just because some kids think it's boring.
            Gun owners are responsible for at least a portion of the funding.  No taking it from national parks, schools, or whatever.  An insignificant tax on each firearm transaction would probably amount to plenty of money without much pain to anyone and result in reduction in public funds that are expended when firearm accidents occur.
            If it actually is insignificant, fine. But you're going to have to rein in the "Har har, let's make ammunition cost $5,000 a round because nobody said you had a right to bear bullets" crowd. Good luck with that.
            •  My advice (3+ / 0-)
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              there is a very clear and vocal segment of your "sensible gun regulation" crowd that wants private firearms ownership as limited as possible, using the rubric of "public safety" to accomplish that goal and many of them are on record as saying precisely that.
              Argue with them and quit buggin' me.  

              Political compass: -8.75 / -4.72

              by Mark Mywurtz on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 03:30:12 AM PST

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              •  Oh I can tell my time here is going to be fun (0+ / 0-)

                "You're for arming every untrained moron out there and gutting all the laws related to firearms! Plus you're not a real user, you're just someone we all ready banned!"

                "No, I'm not. Look, I said what I'm for right here above your reply. And I've all ready got history under this username elsewhere."

                "I don't wanna talk to you anymore!"

                Yeah, I can imagine that after leveling those accusations and having me easily show none of them are true, you don't want me "bugging" you. Very well then, enjoy your day.

            •  Now, now (0+ / 0-)

              We really need to drop the catch phrases all around.

              First, let's do that "military grade" bit.
              Know what military grade is? Mil Spec. There are a book of specifications for every military item. Much is environmental tolerance, what conditions the item can operate under and such, then there are design characteristics, lengths, gauges, component specifications.
              That is for everything from a bolt to an F-35 fighter.
              Military grade also means something else.
              Made by the lowest bidder.

              Second, there are two types of "black rifle" owners. The yahoos you see on TV and other media and the quiet ones you rarely to never see, the quiet precision shooter who pushes the platform of a military derived firearm to its limits for accuracy and range.
              The latter despises the former group intensely.

              Finally, rather than writing another missive, "high capacity magazines". What is a high capacity magazine? Define it, don't use the damned catch phrase. Use your words, your mind.
              Frankly, I've heard people call a 10 round rifle magazine high capacity!
              I've heard people call a 20 round rifle magazine high capacity. The same for 30 round rifle magazines.
              Damned if I can figure out what to do with one of those stupid drum magazines. Didn't need them when I was in the Army.
              Use precise language when you want to describe something.

              Such as don't use M4, real M4's are uncommon due to the NFA.
              An M4 is doubly cursed under the NFA, it's a short barreled rifle and it's selective fire (either burst or fully automatic and semi-automatic).
              M4 clones are 16 inch barreled rifles, 1.5 inches longer than the M4 itself and semi-automatic.

              Bayonet lugs seem to be objectionable to some. Despite zero crimes committed with fixed bayonets. However, some military re-enactors and some veteran groups do use a fixed bayonet during events like reenactments and parades.

              And if I hear one more gun nut go off about how long it takes to change out a 10 round magazine and it's irrelevant to 30 round magazine, I swear, I will reach through the ethernet, down the fiber optic cable, down land lines, through their screen and slap sense into their heads!
              If there was no difference, the military would issue the 10 round magazine!
              Not the 30 round magazine we were always issued.

              So, how about it? Less catch phrases, less nebulous terminology, precise language, solutions in detail.

              Such as what I've frequently mentioned:
              Place all firearms derived from selective fire military service rifles under a new chapter of the National Firearms Act. A slighter onus on the tax stamp, both cost wise and background investigation wise.
              The current NFA requires a Single Scope Background Investigation (SSBI).
              There is no reason to not use a National Agency, Local Agency and Credit(NACLC with 120 day option), with personal interviews. That which is required for Secret.
              With the interviews of neighbors, coworkers and acquaintances, the lunatics won't get the firearm, nor will the drunkard, the drug abuser, spousal abuser or reckless person.
              Meanwhile, the majority of sane, temperate and rational people can.

              For those unfamiliar with the National Firearms Act (NFA), it places short barreled rifles and shotguns, silencers, automatic weapons and destructive weapons (rockets, bombs, artillery, grenades, etc) under special tax program.
              So, yes. You can buy a Howitzer. You can buy a real M16.
              They're expensive as all get out, the tax is $200. You can get a silencer, they're cheaper, but not like what you see in movies.
              You also have to go through that SSBI before you take possession of what you paid for.
              To date, one crime has been committed with a "class 3" firearm.  A corrupt cop took an Uzi to a drug house and shot it up.
              He was a guest of the federal penitentiary for quite a bit.

          •  Actually, Mark, it is a slippery slope (0+ / 0-)

            Every single time we people who can RESPONSIBLY own firearms give an inch, you idiotic gun banners try to take a mile.

            It has become very damned obvious, speaking as a super-liberal on most subjects, that this is not about 'common sense gun laws', it is about sooner or later banning the private possession of ALL weapons.

            •  Which to continue my post (0+ / 0-)

              Would leave law abiding citizens open to the depredations of the worst of the worst in society, since the Supreme Court has said that law enforcement has NO responsibility to protect you from criminals in NUMEROUS court cases.

              Personally, I feel that if the police are not require to protect me, I have to keep the right to protect myself, which means owning firearms for self-defense.

              Using those firearms would be my 'last choice' but I would still want that choice available should I deem it necessary.

        •  So screw it... (6+ / 0-)

          ...continue to let kids die because you're worried about what might happen when what is happening is people are dying. Your slippery slope is tough to be worried about when people are being pushed off the cliff on the opposite side of the hill.

          Funny how the TeaOP say they love America, but seem to hate most Americans...

          by Graz65 on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 04:59:44 PM PST

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          •  Oh look (1+ / 0-)
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            another person who entirely missed what I said about wanting a training and licensing system that if you fail the requirements for it, you don't get a firearm. How shocking.

            And you know, you can say "slippery slope" as much as you want but when there are people involved at the policy level of this issue who are on record as essentially saying "You know what we need here? A slippery slope, that's what.", it's not as much of a debate-ender as you might think it is.

          •  What you miss is that much of the problem (0+ / 0-)

            Is that children are not being taught to NOT touch firearms when their parents are not around and to keep their little grubby hands off the firearms in question.

            I made it VERY clear to my cousins that if I ever caught them touching my firearms when I was not around to supervise them (meaning right there in front of them) they would be in a elephant-load size poo-pile of trouble.

            They got the message, especially when I slapped the one 6 year old girls hands when she tried to touch it when I had it out cleaning it.

            I told her "Listen, I warned you..... try to touch this firearm again and I am going to ban you from coming over to this house ever again, period and done with! This is not a fricking playtoy, this is a W E A P O N that if you mess around with it, could end up with you dead!"

            Her parents (who are extreme liberal like myself) said I did the right thing in that case and had a talk with their daughter, showing her pictures of the damage the guns can do.

            Sure, might have traumatized her a bit.... but better to bust her innocence than come home and find her with a cap busted in her head from her own stupidity.

        •  Actually (1+ / 0-)
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          There is a federally funded program that instructs in firearms usage and safety.
          The CMP. It was formed the very year that the National Guard was formed from the old militia system.
          It provided statutory training for the unorganized militia, which is every male between 18 and 61, now as well, women in the National Guard are under that statute.

          As for one's worst enemies...
          See the article for the worst enemies of firearms owners, followed shortly by idiots at the NRA, followed by the "I will fight tyranny" crowd.
          Like they are going to fight M1 Abrams tanks, AC130 gunships, Apache helicopters, drones, iron bombs, smart bombs, missiles, MLRS, artillery, thermonuclear warheads, cruise missiles, assorted other annoyances, then infantry, Marines, Combat Engineers, all Special Operations.
          Yeah, right.

          Then, we have on the other side, Brady Campaign, Feinstein's reinventing the wheel and assorted other wingnuts who can't keep their brain in gear and their mouths out of gear.

          Just too much stupid, too much posturing, too much bullshit and no real plans of action to deal with what is a massive problem and retain that which is a Constitutional right.
          Which some forget, every right has responsibilities and limitations.

      •  Gun control (0+ / 0-)

        I feel firearms ought to be registered the same as motor vehicles and marksmen ought to be licensed the same as drivers.

      •  Regrettably, there are no enumerated rights (0+ / 0-)

        If there were, the tea party would never receive a speech license.

        That said, people who can't be trusted with a spoon shouldn't be trusted to reproduce. They far too frequently prove to be irresponsible parents.

        As for "scary black rifles", I'm retired military and somewhat feel lost not dragging one to a range every three months.
        I'm also a competition shooter, so it's be one with a national match barrel, precision sights, precision trigger, etc. In short, not Gun Nut's rifle, but a prize winning rifle that I would use in competition (occasionally, I do compete against military).
        So, eventually, I'll be getting one.
        That said, I have zero heartburn over placing firearms derived from current/recent military service rifles being placed under a new chapter of the NFA.
        The current NFA uses the same clearance process as is used to acquire a Top Secret security clearance.
        I'd suggest the clearance be similar to a Secret clearance.

        It'd keep the can't be trusted with a spoon crowd without the things.
        It's also lawful and fully Constitutional, as the NFA has long been held to be Constitutional.

      •  ...A Well Regulated Militia... (0+ / 0-)

        I always wondered if that supposed comma...wasn't actually a as to make the 2nd amendment even more seemingly ambiguous.... when it isn't.
        All citizens, male, of age were expected to be members of militias....
        They didn't actually necessarily train but: Guns were expensive handmade heirlooms in those days...if you HAD a gun, You knew how to use it.

    •  I *always* carry a weapon (2+ / 0-)
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      WakeUpNeo, Daniel Case

      It's called my brain.

      My firearms are in safes. Some will come out if I go hunting, which is highly unlikely this year. Some will come out if I go to the range to fire. Some will come out if I go to a shooting competition. Some may come out in the highly unlikely event someone breaks into my home.

      Indeed, one is quite literally sitting on the table near me right now. My wife got it from its safe when someone tried to get into the house earlier. They departed, we just haven't gone upstairs to put it back in its case yet.

      If you own a firearm, please, please, please always consider it loaded at all times. Lock the damned thing in a gun safe, they're not that expensive.
      A handgun safe only costs around $30.00. Bolt the thing to a stud and it's secure.

      And remember the first two rules of firearm safety:
      2: Keep your bugger picker away from the damned trigger unless you are firing at that moment.

      After serving for 27 years, 8 months in the military, neither myself or any of my men ever had an unintentional discharge of a firearm.

      Now, excuse me. I am going to lock that damned gun up again, rather than wait to go upstairs.

      •  More than that ... (0+ / 0-)

        All firearms are always loaded especially when you know they aren't. Ask Terry Kath about that.

        Or, since he's dead, this guy, who lived:

        Just because you've taken the magazine out and cycled the action (presumably after making sure there wasn't a round in the chamber) does not mean you can stop keeping it pointed at the floor or start pretending to shoot your friends.

  •  I heard on the radio tonight that the pro-gun (15+ / 0-)

    organization in Utah whose founder and leader had his hundreds of firearms taken away when his ex-wife filed for a protective order is now arguing that some electroal reform being proposed for the state should be defeated because it would give too much power to anti gunnuts(would promote democracy). And I anticipate that his statements will be very well received locally.

    There can be no protection locally if we're content to ignore the fact that there are no controls globally.

    by oldpotsmuggler on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 07:39:50 PM PST

  •  Non-humans are not safe from trigger-happy gun (26+ / 0-)

    owners either.

    Spence was cross country skiing on a road near Missoula, Montana with his 3 Malamute dogs.

    Then, Spence saw his 2-year-old brown and white dog, “Little Dave,” fall down with a shot to a leg.

    About 15 yards away from him and his dogs, Spence saw a man in camouflage holding an assault weapon.

    “I started screaming ‘Stop, stop,’ and the man kept shooting,” said Spence, 48, and who is often seen walking his dogs around Missoula’s river front. “And he kept shooting.”

    “My dog is lying there, dead and I shouted ‘What are you doing?’ and the guy said, ‘I thought it was a wolf.’ ”
    [the dogs had collars and lights on them].

    The wolf hunter walked away without a word leaving Spence with his dead dog.

    Sheriff's office investigated: "no crime was committed, case closed."

    Read more:

    They use assault weapons to shoot wolves?

    To thine ownself be true

    by Agathena on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 07:55:49 PM PST

  •  Sigh, XLIV: (9+ / 0-)
    The child victims of GunFAIL this week were ages 6, 10, 13, 14, 14, 16, and one juvenile of unreported age. On the bright-ish side, I only found two reports of firearms found in schools in the past week, in Memphis, TN and Barstow, CA.
  •  Thank you and Peace to you, David Waldman. n/t (7+ / 0-)
  •  WTF - probably uses matches to check gas levels (5+ / 0-)
    the man pulled back the hammer on the gun to check something

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013

    by annieli on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 09:20:26 PM PST

  •  pony-killer teen faces animal cruelty charges (8+ / 0-)

    Let me get this straight. If he had shot and killed a deer, he would have received a pat on the back and an attaboy. But since he killed a horse, he is guilty of cruelty to animal. That makes perfect sense, right? I mean, it's Youth Hunting Week. We can't have any cruelty to animals during Youth Hunting Week!

  •  Why is it that when any of these gunfail (6+ / 0-)

    statistics opens his mouth, he sounds like a total moron?  (A: Because he is a total moron.)

    How smart can the rest of the "responsible gun owners" be?  (A: We'll find out when they commit a gunfail shooting of themselves or others.)

    Thank you for your efforts.

    Guns don't kill people but there's always one there at the time of death.

    by john07801 on Tue Nov 19, 2013 at 10:09:18 PM PST

  •   uh-oh you said oops(ie) (9+ / 0-)

    The 2nd Amendment protects my right to

    mishandle my deadly weapon, oopsie shooting no charges filed, celebratory shooting no charges filed, cleaning shooting no charges filed

    improperly store my deadly weapon, I told those kids a million times to leave the coffee table gun alone. I don't know who took it, they were being bad and should be arrested.

    forget my deadly weapon.

    drop my deadly weapon.

    It was George Washington and all those guys who want me to fight the king. I am ready.

    Why is it easier to buy a gun than it is to register to vote in most states?

    by 88kathy on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 11:02:09 AM PST

  •  To Mountain City TN...get some live traps. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
  •  Home Invasion - who invented that term and (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    WakeUpNeo, sethtriggs

    when did it become popular. It has a very 'pro-gun' feel to it.

    categories of home invasion shootings (five)
    as if it's a justification for shooting a person who 'invades' your castle
    what's wrong with breaking and entering
  •  Stupidity attracts guns.. (7+ / 0-)

    or is it the other way around?

    Regardless, where you find one, you always find the other.

    This Rover crossed over.. Willie Nelson, written by Dorothy Fields

    by Karl Rover on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 04:05:38 PM PST

    •  Not really, they just make it obvious. (0+ / 0-)

      I know plenty of people I'd trust with guns, and plenty of people I wouldn't trust with wood carving tools. The people in the second category are the ones who make the most noise about the 2nd Amendment.

      Workers of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your shackles. It is by the picket line and direct action that true freedom will be won, not by electing people who promise to screw us less than the other guy.

      by rhonan on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 01:24:06 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Tipped & rec'ed (3+ / 0-)

    nosotros no somos estúpidos

    by a2nite on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 04:09:44 PM PST

  •  Ban 'en all (0+ / 0-)

    You best believe it does

    by HangsLeft on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 04:10:26 PM PST

  •  The guy in MARRERO, LA seems to have gotten off (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    WakeUpNeo, sethtriggs

    rather lightly under the circumstances.

  •  Pretty lenient there in SCARBOROUGH, ME too. (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    WakeUpNeo, parsonsbeach, sethtriggs
    •  Yeah ... those cops dropped the ball (1+ / 0-)
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      I'm sorry, but real gun safety means that you are prepared for the possibility of literally mishandling the gun so that, if you trip while carrying it (like this guy in Wisconsin did) it should not be in danger of going off other than being slammed if it hits the ground too hard (which is usually the manufacturers' problem). Maybe Maine law doesn't give them much room there.

  •  God bless the pony...who did it belong to? (1+ / 0-)
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    Obviously someone who loved it.  That hurts more than all the humans shooting themselves.

    Armed! I feel like a savage! Barbarella

    by richardvjohnson on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 04:22:38 PM PST

  •  Tom Lehrer's "The Hunting Song" (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    I love OCD, Nannyberry, WakeUpNeo, KMc

    "The Hunting Song" by Tom Lehrer

     I always will remember,
     ’twas a year ago november,
     I went out to hunt some deer
     On a mornin’ bright and clear.
     I went and shot the maximum the game laws would allow,
     Two game wardens, seven hunters, and a cow.

     I was in no mood to trifle,
     I took down my trusty rifle
     And went out to stalk my prey.
     What a haul I made that day.
     I tied them to my fender, and I drove them home somehow,
     Two game wardens, seven hunters, and a cow.

     The law was very firm, it
     Took away my permit,
     The worst punishment I ever endured.
     It turned out there was a reason,
     Cows were out of season,
     And one of the hunters wasn’t insured.

     People ask me how I do it,
     And I say, there’s nothin’ to it,
     You just stand there lookin’ cute,
     And when something moves, you shoot!
     And there’s ten stuffed heads in my trophy room right now,
     Two game wardens, seven hunters, and a pure-bred guernsey cow.

    It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. G. K. Chesterton

    by redbaron on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 04:23:36 PM PST

  •  The nightmare continues with the new (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:

    plastic molded guns that have no metal parts.  The law is set to expire and to the best of my knowledge the do-nothing Congress has not renewed the bill, as of this morning.

    Total insanity!

    "Liberals feel unworthy of their possessions. Conservatives feel they deserve everything they've stolen." Mort Sahl

    by maggiemae on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 04:24:40 PM PST

  •  Here's one for next week. (1+ / 0-)
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    Six-year old in Alaska "accidentally" shoots self.

  •  Here's one for your next list (1+ / 0-)
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    Payson, AZ Nov.9

    Fear + guns seem often to lead to tragedy, no matter what your philosophy. The 911 call is horrific.

    The art of listening is the ability to pay attention to that which is most difficult to hear

    by dRefractor on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 05:55:50 PM PST

  •  Just Today in Old Orchard Beach Maine..... (1+ / 0-)
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    A city council man and  a developer were hunting in a residential area when they shot out a woman's fence. She was behind that fence walking her dogs. She screamed at them to stop shooting. Charges are pending.

    This story interests me because my next door neighbors shot through my house nearly killing me and my son (and our cat). We did not press charges. We just told them to get rid of their guns and if it happened again we most certainly would press charges. We moved here from Newtown, CT........

    Yeah, we really need more?

    I'm an expert sharpshooter and will never touch a gun again. That's my choice.


    "Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Matthew 5:11

    by parsonsbeach on Wed Nov 20, 2013 at 06:49:21 PM PST

  •  Squirrel Cop (1+ / 0-)
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    #1 made me immediately think of this other story of a rookie police officer and a squirrel. No gunfire involved, but there was fire, and a squirrel.
    "Squirrel Cop" from This American Life

  •  I wonder why this doesn't happen there more often (0+ / 0-)
    An employee at a North Texas Target accidentally shot himself in the hand with a gun dropped by a customer on Wednesday afternoon, police say.
    "Well, officer, I mean, we do walk around with these big bullseyes on us all the time, so I wasn't so surprised ..."

    It's good there's never been a mass-shooting incident at one of those stores:
    DISPATCH: Hello, 911
    CALLER: (frantic) Someone's shooting at a Target ...
    DISPATCH: Well, sir, what else would you expect them to be shooting at? CLICK.

  •  #19 - How do you do this? (0+ / 0-)

    Is it even possible to shoot yourself in the stomach with a rifle?  I know My arms aren't long enough.

  •  Playing with a gun (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    WakeUpNeo, SilentBrook

    "Rockford Police say two or three men were playing with a revolver around 9:30p.m. Saturday...." Since when is a gun a plaything?

  •  Hunters with no perspective (0+ / 0-)

    Some years ago, I knew of a rancher in the Colorado foothills above Denver who lost so many cattle to hunters that he wrote, in BIG WHITE LETTERS "COW" on the sides of his steers. I think (as I recall - it was about 30-40 years ago) that he still lost a dozen or so to near-sighted hunters...

  •  Need I remind how many people misuse cars (0+ / 0-)

    Which is a MUCH higher percentage than the amount of people who misuse firearms?

    Seriously, it is time to stop bashing on the firearms, you are beating a dead horse here. The ones who will come to your side of "BLAME THE INANIMATE OBJECT!" have already done that and the ones who are a little more.... SANE and won't kowtow to that bunkus because they realize how insane it is are not going to.

    Guess what? We outnumber you who think that guns just get up on their own and kill people or that because of a series of accidents, all guns should be banned.

    If we used your thinking, because someone accidentally shoots themselves in the foot with a nail gun, we would ban all nail guns.

    •  Right. Dead horses. Dead people. (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Glen The Plumber, SilentBrook

      Who cares, right?

    •  You're missing the point (3+ / 0-)

      These weekly threads are not about guns per se being a bad thing (although I grant that these incidents could certainly be used to support that assertion, an assertion I do not make). These are about the dreadful mismatch between Americans' ever-expanding gun rights and the questionable levels of responsibility and discipline in using said firearms (and let's be honest about one thing—most of these are about the misuse of handguns; long gun users seem to be a lot less likely to blow holes in the neighbors' walls while showing them to other people). For a nation ostensibly keeping and bearing arms to defend not just themselves but society as a whole, we seem to have an awful lot of said keepers and bearers who do not seem to grasp that it is not enough to take the magazine out of the Glock you are about to hand to your buddy between beers so he can get that same cool feeling you do assuming various shooting poses and jokingly pointing the gun at your other buddies—you have to make sure the chamber is clear first. This is not tolerated in the military; it should not be tolerated among the civilian citizen militia, either.

  •  Mighty sizable red state contingent (0+ / 0-)

    in them thar stats...

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