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Bear with me for this.

Last night I had occasion to attend a fundraiser for a PAC for an important Democrat.  When this Democrat was running for the office currently held, s/he drew the line against marriage equality.  S/he had already supported civil unions and legal rights, but was uncomfortable with going further.  Yet in the past year s/he has moved to fully support marriage equality.

I asked why and got a two-part answer

S/he was already bothered by those opposing, either because they were afraid of their conservative base even though they knew equality was the right thing, and

some of those opposing were simply hateful, to the point of wanting to make the jurisdiction this person represents hostile to LGBT people and drive them out.

But of greater importance was this:  the children, including one who is an active duty military officer, thought time was past due for full inclusion of LGBT in American society, including giving the full rights and recognition of marriage.

The children in this case are adults.  Yet I can note that when I have surveyed my students over almost a decade (starting with all the Republican-initiated efforts in the 2004 cycle to generate more conservative voters to reelect GWBush) that each year the percentage willing to accept marriage equality has increased, even more quickly than acceptance among the American people as a whole.

Younger people may  be less enamored of politics than I might want, but they increasingly downright reject hatred and discrimination.

On this issue - and on issues like immigration reform - increasingly young people view the Republican Party as hateful and discriminatory.

Which is why the Republican Party -  unless it dramatically changes its viewpoints on a number of issues - faces a dismal future.

Make of this what you will.


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  •  Tip Jar (18+ / 0-)

    "We didn't set out to save the world; we set out to wonder how other people are doing and to reflect on how our actions affect other people's hearts." - Pema Chodron

    by teacherken on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 03:39:09 AM PST

  •  But it's worth nothing if (5+ / 0-)

    we can't get them to the voting booth.

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 03:46:37 AM PST

  •  SHow me (0+ / 0-)

    The Stupid hippies talked a great show about how fair everything is going to be they grow but the Boomers have be some of the best supporters of the GOP from Reagan on up.

    Although I've became really disappointed in Generation X recently. How do we get from Cobain to Ryan in just 20 years?

    "If this Studebaker had anymore Atomic Space-Age Style, you'd have to be an astronaut with a geiger counter!"

    by Stude Dude on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 03:46:46 AM PST

    •  not all of us lost our ideals.... (3+ / 0-)
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      blueoregon, bbctooman, Stude Dude

      but so many did.  

      You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

      by murrayewv on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 04:39:14 AM PST

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    •  Well, one thing people forget..... (9+ / 0-) that the hippies may have got all the headlines, but they were hardly the majority of Baby Boomer youth. There were plenty of guys who grew their hair long and listened to rock music, but also read Atlas Shrugged or never got into the whole political thing. And let's not forget Youth for Nixon or Young Americans for Freedom or all that: those groups were pretty well attended. And you also had the precursor to the religious right in the God Squad.

      •  Precisely, Metal Prophet (3+ / 0-)

        Hippies were a fringe group. "Up With People" was huge too. Nixon Youth were rampant. And the "Jesus movement" was exploding. I get so tired of this condescending "generations" thing.

        Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it.

        by anastasia p on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 07:25:16 AM PST

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        •  And interestingly.... (2+ / 0-)
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          Dave in Northridge, Stude Dude

          ....older Boomers who were in college prior to about '67, were not very liberal at all. College students were considered pretty mainstream, conservative, businesslike guys (and they were mostly guys at the time). Noam Chomsky talks about how as late as '65 and '66, you'd have college students in Boston violently break up meetings of the early antiwar movement.

    •  First off, Cobain grew up working class (3+ / 0-)
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      and in a single parent household. Ryan grew up considerably better off but did't become a single parent household until he was nearly an adult, if I'm correct? Geography may also have had something to do with it. Ohio  has been far more conservative than Washington state since.....forever?

      "Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons." - Woody Allen

      by blueoregon on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 04:55:33 AM PST

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      •  Also, Paul Ryan sponged off the government (3+ / 0-)
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        Dave in Northridge, OldDragon, a2nite

        Yes, his father died when he was a teenager, but he had a well-off family and GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE to soften the blown. And since he attended a public university here in Ohio, I helped pay for his education. I want my money back.

        Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it.

        by anastasia p on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 07:26:33 AM PST

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    •  Because everyone doesn't see things (2+ / 0-)
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      Dave in Northridge, a2nite

      your way, you condemn entire generations?

      "Stupid hippies," as you call them, were always a minority — remember the "silent majority"? There was no huge groundswell toward progressivism, and the purity progressives drove many of us to the sidelines. My college roommate and I even predicted George Bush's presidency — in 1968. (Well, not him specifically but someone exactly like him — because we KNEW those people and saw them moving into running things while the "stupid hippies" smoked pot and plotted to take over movie theaters where "Woodstock" was showing). (OK, that was a few years later but ... you get the idea.)

      Paul Ryan? So what? What about Tim "The Good" Ryan? He's a few years younger than Paul and he's also in Congress. What about most of our Democratic ticket for 2014 in Ohio? All but one are around Paul Ryan's age or younger, and all are great progressives.

      Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it.

      by anastasia p on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 07:23:37 AM PST

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      •  Actually (0+ / 0-)

        I'm a late Boomer who identified more with Alt Rock generation than the Classic Rock generation. I'm just really getting disappointed at both sides.

        "If this Studebaker had anymore Atomic Space-Age Style, you'd have to be an astronaut with a geiger counter!"

        by Stude Dude on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 11:20:13 AM PST

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  •  The GOP should be moved out of the way everywhere (6+ / 0-)

    as they are full of obstruction, and yes, hate.  This was done in California and now the GOP is shunted to the sidelines because they were holding progress back.  I can't see how the GOP gets out of this, they just look backward and as elections are about the future, they have failed this basic test to govern in good faith.

  •  Republicans should be left to their own.... (0+ / 0-) devices and die quickly when they get sick... (Obama playing nth dimensional chess again by reversing and allowing people to keep crap insurance longer?? ...;)

    A smarter, more cynical person than I should do the math and see if it's not cheaper in the long run to kind of stretch this current fight/sea change out... play four-corners and not be so quick to rush back into power... keep our powder dry and just stay slightly in charge; the voice of reason, as it were... Allow this absurdity to continue until it begins to hurt those last few salvageable Republicans and the old racist white men die off... IMHO this would provide a guided and extended lesson that would stick in the public consciousness for generations...

    Again, IMHO, both parties continue to try to take advantage of the notoriously short collective memory of the electorate... why not take the opportunity to reintroduce the concept of slow and steady progressiveness wins the race?  


    "Generosity, Ethics, Patience, Effort, Concentration, and Wisdom"

    by Dood Abides on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 04:13:01 AM PST

  •  So another politician who believes in nothing (0+ / 0-)

    Except political expediency and what might get them elected - very similar to those conservatives s/he mentioned, just with a different 'base' to be fearful of.

    "Purple Haze, all in my brain...lately things, they don't seem the same...actin' funny, and I don't know why....'SCUSE ME, WHILE I KISS THIS GUY!!" - Jimi Hendrix

    by Fordmandalay on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 04:20:27 AM PST

    •  boy are you projecting (6+ / 0-)

      s/he had already been moving in this direction despite an upbringing that should have made her/him hostile to gay rights

      seeing the source of opposition caused some rethinking

      but having children s/he loves and respects present a different way of thinking is what finally persuaded her/him

      In fact I think it is something to be lauded, to be able to change long-held views as an adult and an already elected public official

      and it had nothing to do with political advantage for this particular politician.

      "We didn't set out to save the world; we set out to wonder how other people are doing and to reflect on how our actions affect other people's hearts." - Pema Chodron

      by teacherken on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 04:24:24 AM PST

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  •  Republican fortunes would be a lot more dismal (3+ / 0-)
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    if Democrats and the MSM would stop throwing them lifelines and treating them as adults at the table which they are overwhelmingly not.    

  •  Best reason for me to continue teaching.... (5+ / 0-)

    is contact with students.  My students are in college, but they need to learn so much about the world and how to change it.  Yesterday I introduced the idea that a tax on food is regressive and unfair since it over taxes the poor, who are required to spend a greater share of their income on food.  The most conservative student in the class was nodding his head, since he never heard someone say this in this way before.  It was an interesting moment.

    You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

    by murrayewv on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 04:37:56 AM PST

  •  When we boomers were kids our parents were (6+ / 0-)

    going through a similar angst-filled discussion about interracial marriage. We (mostly) supported it. Our kids today would look at us with incredulity if we suggested that "miscegenation" was a legitimate issue- at least once we explained what it meant.

    I imagine that our grandkids will have the same attitude towards  "gay marriage".

    •  Not my parents (2+ / 0-)

      Of course I grew up on the south side of Chicago with a father who threatened to move us to Canada if Nixon got elected. My sister was in the SDS and hung out with Weatherman. That didn't both my parents too much. They were more upset that she dropped out of school for a semester to set up revolutionary headquarters in Madison, Wisconsin to work to create revolutionary cells at universities throughout the midwest. It didn't work out too well — Chicago and smalltown Nebraska were a culture clash. So she went back to school, to my parent's relief.

      Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it.

      by anastasia p on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 07:29:28 AM PST

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  •  Their Future is Glowing. (2+ / 0-)

    They're poised to eradicate abortion, they've structurally eliminated progressive economic governance, they operate the mainstream not just the rightwing media, and they are steadily shrinking the minority representation they require to continue ruling.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 05:42:34 AM PST

  •  Can't happen soon enough; the evil RW RGOP (0+ / 0-)

    Can & will do much damage in the mean time.

    nosotros no somos estúpidos

    by a2nite on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 05:44:07 AM PST

  •  Bad news for homophobes -- but (0+ / 0-)

    it won't be bad news for the Republican Party over the long term. They'll adapt, just as each party has every time issue coalitions and support have shifted since the Civil War. Hopefully there will at least be some short-term growing pains we can take advantage of.

    Hope you fall on your burger and fries.

    by cardinal on Thu Nov 21, 2013 at 05:45:46 AM PST

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