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Sen. Ted Cruz and House Speaker John Boehner
Shocking revelation and scoop from The New York Times
You'll never guess who has been orchestrating the GOP's attacks on Obamacare:
The memo distributed to House Republicans this week was concise and blunt, listing talking points and marching orders: “Because of Obamacare, I Lost My Insurance.” “Obamacare Increases Health Care Costs.” “The Exchanges May Not Be Secure, Putting Personal Information at Risk.” “Continue Collecting Constituent Stories.”

The document, the product of a series of closed-door strategy sessions that began in mid-October, is part of an increasingly organized Republican attack on the Affordable Care Act, President Obama’s signature legislative initiative. Republican strategists say that over the next several months, they intend to keep Democrats on their heels through a multilayered, sequenced assault.

That's from The New York Times, which apparently has become the lucky recipient of leaks galore from House Republican operatives eager to convince skeptics that it does in fact have an effective and viable political strategy, and that they are not, contrary to most available evidence, a bunch of nincompoops. The report is filled with a bunch of self-congratulatory rhetoric from Republicans impressed with their ability to have put the administration on defense over Obamacare, which completely makes sense except for the part about how the primary reason why Obamacare has gotten bad press is because in most states, consumers could not access exchanges because of the botched implementation of and some state-based exchange web sites.

It's not that Republicans don't deserve a little bit of political credit here, but basically they are the equivalent of a defensive player in a football game who winds up with the ball in his hands after an unforced fumble. (Speaking of football analogies, you have got to read Jonathan Chait's awesome takedown of an actual football play diagrammed out in the House GOP's attack-Obamacare playbook.)

Don't get me wrong: I'm not trying to pile on Obama, but everybody knew from the beginning that Republicans were going to do what they are doing now; the only question is whether their attacks would have any merit. They aren't doing anything different here with Obamacare than they did with the IRS, Benghazi, or Fast and Furious (aka #BenghazIRSurious)—the difference is that this time, the response to their attacks is "you've got a point, but we're going to fix it" instead of "you're a bunch of lunatics making stuff up."

By the way, the key thing to remember here is that if in fact things do get fixed—and there's reason to be optimistic about that—Republicans are ultimately going to find themselves in the same place as they do on #BenghazIRSurious: On the wrong side of the issue, and without anything positive to point to. Right now, things are as bad as they've been for President Obama and Obamacare. A brutal new CNN poll shows his approval rating is at the lowest level of his presidency. But despite that fact, the poll shows that more Americans want him to guide the nation's direction that want the GOP to guide it—and this is at his low point.

If things start to get worse with Obamacare and never recover, all bets are off. But for now, even at this current low, people aren't buying what Republicans are selling. In other words, today's political news might be great news for Mitt Romney, but it's not good news for Ted Cruz—or John Boehner.

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  •  The next headline (21+ / 0-)

    Water is wet.

    The Pope is Catholic.

    The sun sets in the west.

    Sarcasm on...It is so nice I live in a post racial America...Sarcasm off.

    by wbishop3 on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 08:12:45 AM PST

  •  This could get annoying.... (3+ / 0-)
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    commonmass, satrap, politicalceci

    Imagine if the Republicans take the Senate in 2014.

    They will schedule endless votes on this stuff for the next 2 years... Kind of like what the House does.

    But imagine they force President Obama to constantly veto this trash over and over and over...

    •  By Novembr 2014 too many Americans and (10+ / 0-)

      Amuricans will have discovered how great the affordable care act is. There will be no going back. It's already too late.

      Republicans - get over it, give it up, it's done. Move on.

      Tracy B Ann - technically that is my signature. If I had Bill Gates money, I'd buy Detroit.

      by ZenTrainer on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 08:29:06 AM PST

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      •  They don't even remember what it was like before (7+ / 0-)
           End to Pre-Existing Condition Discrimination:
             End to Limits on Care:
            End to Coverage Cancellations:
            Value for Your Premium Dollar:
            Stopping Unreasonable Rate Increases:
            Small Business Tax Credits:
            Keep the kids on policy till they are 26:
        I can see the signs now. Repeal Obamacare but don't touch my 7 basic rights.

        Why is it easier to buy a gun than it is to register to vote in most states?

        by 88kathy on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 08:50:50 AM PST

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        •  Good talking points... (1+ / 0-)
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          Hope the PR people on the Dem side study and devise an aggressive plan counteract each and every one of the strategies listed in this memo.

          •  Where have you been all my life? (0+ / 0-)

            Why is it easier to buy a gun than it is to register to vote in most states?

            by 88kathy on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 10:30:25 AM PST

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          •  Simple Solution (0+ / 0-)

            The next step is to simply go to single-payer .... eliminate the power insurance companies and Republicans have over this country.  Go to Medicare for All and everybody can just "sign up" to an existing plan that's been in place for decades.  It "shores up" the Medicare fund making it stronger and things go more smoothly.  It won't be easy for Republicans to "hack" Medicare.

      •  Pretty much. (4+ / 0-)

        If Republicans keep up their repeal shit in 2015, people will be like... WTF?

        29, white male, TX-07 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

        by TDDVandy on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 08:50:53 AM PST

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      •  I would agree but warn (0+ / 0-)

        we must not just trust that this will happen but work to make it so.
        We have wind behind us but it does no good if we leave the sails in the locker.

        If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

        by CwV on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 09:09:26 AM PST

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      •  The problem for the Dems is Message Control (1+ / 0-)
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        Minnesota Deb

        For years people on the left have been asking how is it that the repugs have been so effective getting people to vote against their own interests... but look at their tactics:

        1. They get 15 to 20 top surrogates, drill them in talking points, and have booking agents get them on every network.

        They use consistent messaging repetitively to cut through the media haze that media consumers are hit with.

        2. The talking points are simple argument... with slogans and "dog whistle" phrases.
        They don't make heavily nuanced arguments... they keep it simple. They can pickup low information voters that way and the more intelligent ones pickup on their phraseology for between the lines comprehension.

        3. They play to the bubbles... drudge, redstate, FOX, talk radio, for reinforcement.

        I haven't really seen message control like this coming from the left. The surrogates that I have seen on the MSM are inconsistent in their arguments and get so nuanced it goes over the heads of many of the viewers.

        Many of the progressives on the MSM also don't seem to know all the good things about the ACA and which arguments resonate with key constituencies more than others.

        Language is important... and just as an example of a good surrogate statement Van Jones translated "the old system was broken" into "We're not going back to Dump, Dupe, and Deny!"  

        I know this might sound trite to D-Kos readers, but then intellectually this place caters to a cut above.

  •  Not so much "but we're going to fix it" (7+ / 0-)

    But we already saw that and we already have our team on it to fix it ASAP.

    The republicons moan, the republicons bitch. Our rich are too poor and our poor are too rich. Ferguson Foont

    by Josiah Bartlett on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 08:18:25 AM PST

  •  So, popular media outlets (11+ / 0-)

    It appears the Republicans are playing you like a fucking Stradivarius, and they know exactly which buttons to push to get you to carry their water for them, echo every point they want to make, and never, ever, peek behind the rhetoric to see if there's a principled position or just rank, cynical fuckery going on.

    Does it make you want to change your reporting practices, or is it satisfactory to just stooge for these fuckers?

  •  Isn't that always a problem with governing (6+ / 0-)
    If things start to get worse with Obamacare and never recover, all bets are off.
    The hard part about wanting to take the country back from Republican destruction over the last 30 years is that it could fail.  It's the chance you take in wanting to govern.  The easy thing would have been to do nothing, or triangulate.

    "Harass us, because we really do pay attention. Look at who's on the ballot, and vote for the candidate you agree with the most. The next time, you get better choices." - Barney Frank

    by anonevent on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 08:22:49 AM PST

    •  That is why we can't miss a chance to talk about (3+ / 0-)

      ACA 7 sexy things.

          End to Pre-Existing Condition Discrimination:
          End to Limits on Care:
          End to Coverage Cancellations:
          Value for Your Premium Dollar:
          Stopping Unreasonable Rate Increases:
          Small Business Tax Credits:
          Children on Parent's policy till age 26

      Why is it easier to buy a gun than it is to register to vote in most states?

      by 88kathy on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 08:55:15 AM PST

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  •  So the GOP plan is to take.... (18+ / 0-)

    ...the losing strategy of 2012, and double down?  Please proceed, Republicans.

  •  You mean (4+ / 0-)

    that there is a coordinated assault on the ACA, and that the leaders of this effort are willing to subvert our very system of government in order to thwart its implementation.  Never!

    by ManfromMiddletown on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 08:29:01 AM PST

  •  yes and no (0+ / 0-)

    Yes - the web site that had 3 1/2 years to be done right was launched negligently botched and will eventually be fixed.  Not likely by Nov 30 (another commitment broken).  

    No - the President's read-my-lips you-can-keep-your-plan-if-you-like-it (misleading) promise won't be fixed.  His fix is only a partial fix and depends on other parties agreeing (insurers and state insurance regulators).  We know some of those other parties have already ejected the President's fix.  

    His administrative fix will be challenged in the courts and may be overturned.   I predict it will be overturned since the law did not permit him administratively to amend the law's requirements.

    Senate Dems need the protection of an up or down vote on Sen Landrieu's legislative fix.  It is a free vote and a safe vote for something that will not become law.  (Obama can always veto it in the unlikely event the House votes for it after it passes the Senate.)

    House and Senate Dems in tough reelection contests need to be able to put clear distance between themselves and the terribly botched ACA web site rollout and the President's misleading you-can-keep-your-plan-if-you-like-it promise.

    Obama screwed up - big time - and there is no need for Senate Dems and House Dems to go down to defeat because of his screwup when things such as a vote on the Sen Landrieu bill could potentially save them.

    •  it didn't really have 3.5 years.... (7+ / 0-)

      i don't think it was even started on until after Obama was elected to a second term.    then add in the fact that half the states said "meh, i'm not going to do anything" which added to the complication of the whole thing.

      as for the "keep your plan" thing......    i think it was just an unfortunate hope that people wouldn't act like a bunch of toddlers on crack.     all the people losing plans (which aren't even that many in the grand scheme of things) might have lost their plans even if the ACA didn't exist and some of them were HORRIBLE plans in the first place.    

      i do not think Obama screwed up big time but any tiny little microscopic error becomes an atomic bomb these days.  

  •  It seems to me that the White House (6+ / 0-)

    has not been living in reality about the true nature of the GOP and the lengths they're willing to go to to obstruct things at every step of the way.

    While I think the ACA is a good start, I can't help thinking that the White House has been woefully under-prepared for the political onslaught. I hope they get their act together quickly, because right now, it doesn't seem that they have it together at all.

  •  I am ready to vote (3+ / 0-)

    in an off-year election.  And I think many other Democrats are likewise prepared.  Remember how, Cuccinelli was supposed to win in Virginia?  Because minorities wouldn't turn out?
    The GOP and the media are presupposing that Democrats will not turn out in 2014.  But we know the stakes are huge - and I think we can turn out the vote next year.  
    Once the GOP no longer has the House and the filibuster is gutted - we can make the GOP as irrelevant nationally - as they are in California.  It's the only way to fix this mess.

    I'll put on my glasses.... and tell you how sweet your ass is. (w/ apologies to Señor Bega)

    by mHainds on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 08:33:09 AM PST

  •  I think the more important question (1+ / 0-)
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    In other words, today's political news might be great news for Mitt Romney, but it's not good news for Ted Cruz—or John Boehner.
    is whether it's good news for Sen. Mary Ladrieu, Sen. Kay Hagan, Sen. Begich, Sen. Pryor.  President Obama is not running again, so politically he's not at issue (although his low approval ratings hurt his standing in trying to get more of his domestic agenda through the House).  Speaker Boehner does not have to worry about re-election, and Sen. Cruz is not up for re-election.  

    I suspect the people most interested in the polling on the ACA are those four Senators.  

    •  Of course... (3+ / 0-)
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      satrap, Tonedevil, True North

      You also have Mitch McConnell, who has the joy of running in a state where the governor set up a state health insurance exchange and it's working really well.

      29, white male, TX-07 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

      by TDDVandy on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 08:48:53 AM PST

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    •  Obama's Approval Ratings (2+ / 0-)
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      Tonedevil, soundchaser

      Have you not been paying attention?  President Obama's approval ratings could be 85% and he would not be able to get any of his domestic agenda through the House.  Hello?  John Boehner is afraid of the Tea Party and will not bring anything they disapprove of (i.e. the President's domestic agenda) to the floor.  Thanks to the Tea Party this president has been a lame duck since they were installed in 2011.  The Republican Party no longer wants to govern, it just wants to meddle.

      •  One big reason the Republicans caved (1+ / 0-)
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        during the government shut down was that their approval numbers tanked and the President's were steady or even up.  They saw that they were killing themselves politically and helping the Democrats politically.  That's where numbers matter.  

        The only reason some Republicans were considering immigration reform was political -- to get their numbers up among Hispanics, and to take some of that Hispanic approval from the President and Democrats.  

        If the President's numbers stay in the tank, then he's not as much of a political threat to Republicans -- and far less likely to be influential in the 2014 elections, except to help Republican candidates.  

        •  They won't be. (0+ / 0-)

          The President's numbers will come roaring back when people are getting signed up for an exchange at a good price.  That will happen.  By Nov 30th is expected to be handling 800,000 policies a day.  By Jan 1st it will be humming along so, by summer, the majority of Americans will be signed up and know someone who has benefitted from the ACA.  At that point the President's approval rating will also have benefitted.

          "When you think about the money spent/on defense by the government/& the weapons of destruction we've built/we're so sure that we need/then you think of the millions that money could feed/How long?" J Browne

          by rainmanjr on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 11:47:06 PM PST

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  •  Looks like GOP opposition to the ACA is in the (6+ / 0-)

    repeal defund shut down threaten default whine and moan stage.

    When do we get to the really hilarious part where they claim to love Obamacare and that "it was all their idea all along".  

  •  Another crappy NYT article (0+ / 0-)

    co-authored by Jonathan Weisman, who only seems to talk to Republicans.

  •  It would probably help them (1+ / 0-)
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    if they were proposing a better alternative than "let's go back to the old crappy system," but that would require too much of that damn thinking.

    29, white male, TX-07 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

    by TDDVandy on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 08:47:02 AM PST

  •  I'm shocked, shocked I tell you... (3+ / 0-)
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    satrap, SquirrelQueen, politicalceci

    "I'm totally pro-choice in the matter of abortion. But of course I'm also so radically pro-life that I think every person from birth onward must have full and affordable access to healthcare." - Gail Collins

    by gritsngumbo on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 08:50:10 AM PST

  •  But, the ACA WILL work... (0+ / 0-)

    and then what? They will have been busted for deliberately misleading the American people. Guilty of deliberately trying to prevent people from getting access to affordable health care that will save lives, drive down health costs, and lower the debt.
    THEN, it will be our turn. We'll rub their face in their own excrement every chance we get, and it won't be too far off.

  •  Ambush Obama style... (0+ / 0-) many times can the GOP be duped into over reaction, hyperbole and total asinine childish bragging (we got you this time sucka)?

    Answer: As many as necessary.

    President Barack Hussein Obama has shut them down at every turn of the road, Beer Gate, Birther hoax, 2 elections, Fast & Furious, Benghazi, APA, NSA, Iran, Osama Bin Laden...and now ACA.

    ACA is a law that is not going away no matter how badly enacted nor implemented.

    "I'm not the strapping young Muslum socialist that I used to be." President Obama

  •  like with fast and furious and benghazi, IRS, etc (0+ / 0-)

    RW radio is their most effective tool

    Republican strategists say that over the next several months, they intend to keep Democrats on their heels through a multilayered, sequenced assault.
    radio does the groundwork repetition.

    every other aspect of their strategy implementation has some form of monitoring and pushback. not so with RW radio.

    This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

    by certainot on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 09:04:13 AM PST

  •  "Warfare" is something the Republicans employ (0+ / 0-)

    everyday they are in office.  That's nothing new.  It only shows how little regard they have for the American people.  

    What also isn't new is their penchant for sabotage.  The GOP is thirsting to make Mr. Obama the worst President ever.  They can't help it.  It seeps from all their actions and policies.  Their seething hatred for all things humanitarian and diverse is so great that they are willing to practice sedition and inflict pain to get it.

    "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin

    by politicalceci on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 09:19:22 AM PST

  •  Call their bluff, & propose fix by adding... (0+ / 0-)

    a PUBLIC OPTION. Medicare for ALL!  

  •  They've already spent millions slamming the ACA (1+ / 0-)
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    True North

    it had no impact. The ACA's standing actually improved until the rollout errors. It's kind of hard to complain about the ACA when your own members like the Speaker of the House will be insured through the exchange.  

    Global Shakedown - Alternative rock with something to say. Check out their latest release, "A Time to Recognize": Available on iTunes, Amazon, Google Play, Spotify and other major online music sites. Visit

    by khyber900 on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 09:33:10 AM PST

  •  That play actually looks like something Washington (0+ / 0-)

    ran against the Eagles in the first half last Sunday.....12 times!

    Please know I am not rude. I cannot rec anything from this browser. When I rec or post diaries I am a guest at some exotic locale's computer. Ayn is the bane!

    by Floyd Blue on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 09:38:57 AM PST

  •  Congress forgets its 91% disapproval rating (0+ / 0-)

    The percent of people who do not disapprove of Congress is approaching statistical insignificance. According to Gallup poll conducted this month (November) only 9% approve of Congress. We must assume that this number includes Senators, Congress reps, and their family, friends, and whoever they've done a political favor for lately. Even among Republicans, the number is 91% disapproval.

    The president has four times more approval (40%)
    George Bush Junior had to preside over total economic collapse, an unemployment bomb and thousands being kicked out of their homes to get that low; Obama only has to be Obama, which is cheaper and doesn't cost thousands of human lives in uniform (forget, because we have, the hundreds of thousands of other human souls killed by Bush's war).

    Incidentally, ObamaCare also is four times more approved of than Congress. (%45)

    Thus, Obama alone has kept his rating hovering around half and half, Congress has had the benefit of a joint effort in driving down their rating to where it's approaching zero.

    91 per cent of the population know why they disapprove of  Congress. Congress is in the anomalous 9% that doesn't.

    The above explains their rock-bottom ratings. If they would focus publicly, day after day, on discussing why nobody likes them instead of trying to make each other seem more dispicable than ever,  they MIGHT come to admit that Republicans, Democrats and Independents think they are corrupted by lobbyists and big donors, at which point they could shoot their popularity ratings up to nearly %100 by kicking the lobbyists out.

    Meantime, why does a Congress beloved by  only 9%  think the other 91% of the people can be won over by crapping on itself?

  •  Here's a thought (1+ / 0-)
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    Now that the NYT has published the GOP Obamacare attack plan, maybe they and the Washington Post should think twice before whipping up the hysteria again as the "plan" is put into action.  One can dream.

  •  There are the 'reasonable folks'... (0+ / 0-)

    "Don't get me wrong: I'm not trying to pile on Obama, but everybody knew from the beginning that Republicans were going to do what they are doing now; the only question is whether their attacks would have any merit. "

    On the left, who insist that the other side is perfectly rational and capable of being debated with using reason, and when there is disagreement, fair rules of engagement to determine who wins.

    Then there is the rest of us...

    Who have known for centuries that these folks are a pack of crazy extremists with a one-track-view of the world and an ideology which since the Reformation has been based on a need to create fear and mistrust. We know they will never play by 'rules of engagement' and will only use them to keep us ever in the 'catching up' stage...

    Obama sadly, is too 'reasonable' to fight them. He's too patient, and too slow to get riled up to the point of striking back. He's too unwilling to chant them down, and too willing to give them a chance to engage...

    He may have had an idea of what they would do, but we all know, "mature rational adults" don't behave the way they do... and he keeps wanting to assume they have these qualities; maturity, rational, adult. Right on 1 out of 3, biologically, they are adults...

    But you cannot engage them so civilly. A rabid dog is always going to bite you and try to dry-hump your leg... so you kind of have to approach it differently...

    OMG, like, gag them with a multi-colored spoon. Like, ya know.

    by Jyotai on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 10:00:34 AM PST

  •  Sadly Sen. Kirk (R-IL) (0+ / 0-)

    jumped on this bandwagon. He had such excellent rehab and care after his stroke he claimed to have had a change of heart, but I guess he had second thoughts. I believed he was intelligent and honorable, but no. Just another GOP obstructionist following his marching orders. That'll teach me to hold out even a glimmer of hope for any republican being reasonable.

  •  Repukes are a wrecking crew! (0+ / 0-)

    They seek office precisely to interdict & destroy government effectiveness for the vast number of citizens and send as much money as possible in the form of tax benefits and loopholes, subsidies and write-offs directly to their wealthiest campaign contributors.  This is RICO in politics.  I'm not sure that elections are sufficient to stop them, but they must be stopped from wielding the reins of executive branch power ever again.  That, and the Senate.

    What we need is a Democrat in the White House. ~ expatjourno

    by ezdidit on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 10:50:28 AM PST

  •  This is getting boring... (0+ / 0-)

    We all know the Obamacare web site is supposed to be fixed by the end of the month. Aren't people getting tired of the daily "breaking news" that is just more of the same? Didn't most people tune out the "noise" awhile ago? Seriously, this is getting boring. I'll just wait to see what happens when they say the site is fixed.

  •  it was infuriating to me that (0+ / 0-)

    the White House did not have a sustained, ongoing public relations campaign regarding Obamacare starting immediately after its passage.

    It has been my contention all along, including at the very start...and even before the final bill was enacted...that the administration would need to develop and implement a sustained, ongoing public relations campaign to combat the likely disinformation and assaults by Republicans.

    Instead...Republicans were given a clear field to say pretty much whatever they wanted about Obamacare for the entire first year...resulting in the disastrous 2010 election results which were, in large measure, a direct result of demagoguery over Obamacare by the Koch Brothers and the Tea Party movement that they funded.

    The Tea Partiers...and Republicans were virtually ignored and look what happened.

    Then, during the 2012 election campaign, while the White House adequately defended Obamacare, at least to some extent, it didn't exactly go on the offensive about what a great achievement it was.

    And now that the website rollout has been a marketing disaster, the White House seems to be trying to play catchup. Had they done a better job explaining the program's benefits all along, the hit they would currently be taking regarding Obamacare wouldn't be nearly as rough. Especially if they had reminded people all along the way about how the implementation was being directly and deliberately hindered by Republicans, including Republican governors, trying to sabatoge it every step of the way.

    From a Public Relations perspective, the Affordable Care Act has been a case history in what not to do since it was first enacted. It's been a public relations nightmare.

  •  Can we talk about the emotions here (0+ / 0-)

    Can we talk?  What is the basis for the furor, the passion, the anger, the sense of betrayal, the woundedness that the GOP sells and believes actually about Obamacare?  How is it  similar in nature and tone to the emotional array of distrust, anger and discredit that they pour onto  attacks on Planned Parenthood.   What if this investment to stop Obamacare is a red herring and the real deal is to take away the means by which women  and families can choose to live their lives.

     The GOP investment in taking away what has been achieved in women's rights in various states, and civil rights by having the ID issue stop the ability of people to vote:  this is the behavior from the group that is the most destructive and attacking of Obamacare.  

    It's no accident that both in Obamacare and women's rights, there is extreme emotions, hyperbole and rancor spit out and rewound every day all day on the cable news.  What's at stake for the GOP?

    What if this irrational and emotional display from the GOP toward Obamacare is because women will be taken care of if they sign up for AHA.  Whether they have a mate or not, whether they have a job or not, signed up for Obamacare, they can take care of themselves and their families.  

    This makes women and others independent and able to make the moves toward healthcare that will free their lives up in a way that has not been possible before. Is that a problem for the GOP?

    What if rather than the issue being "dependence on the government" - the real issue is the independence and free will the Affordable Healthcare Act provides.   For all willing to put up with a few hours to get squared away, maybe even a phone call-perhaps a day or two, and a little more trouble than booking a flight on Expedia, they have healthcare.  

    Given the ability to stick with it, one gets healthcare.  On line, via the phone or through letters, it can be done.  Some of these women (with children with pre-existing conditions) were unable to get the healthcare their families for any amount of money before AHA;  the need for the healthcare and the means are clear.

    What is the real problem the GOP has with people being able to take control of this area of their lives.  What is the need for this hysteria and holding back the tide of humanity moving forward?

    In a few months, this will all seem like a bad dream but one that didn't stop us from moving forward.   We will encounter new problems, better problems than the attempts  to stop the move to the future we all said we wanted.

    Peggy Reskin

    by preskin on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 04:10:59 PM PST

  •  ObamaCare hurts me (0+ / 0-)

    ObamaCare hurts my family (We must participate and we are over 60 and our costs go up!). ObamaCare hurts the yout's because their costs go up. ObamaCare hurts those who receive free health care from their employers because next year (or very soon thereafter) they won't get free health care. (They don't know that yet, but that is because they have not read the PPACA act. I actually read the 2700 pages of the act.)   Any who thinks ObamaCare helps is either willingly ignorant and not participating directly in ObamaCare or receiving a new welfare benefit from the US Government.  ObamaCare screws America without qualification. No one benefits from ObamaCare without also going on the Government dole. This, my friends, is not rocket science. Ask any who believes in ObamaCare these questions:     (1) Must you participate?      (2) If you must participate, do you get a "tax credit" for 'signing up' for ObamaCare?     (3) If you are not required to participate and do participate, why do you participate?      (4) If you must sign up for ObamaCare and you do not get a tax credit, does the cost of your premiums go up, stay the same or go down?            If they first answer all 4 questions honestly then, AND ONLY THEN, should you listen intently to their views.             I have talked about ObamaCare with no one who will answer all four questions honestly.     Will any on this thread engage?  Ed Bradford,

  •  your premiums can be expected to rise. (0+ / 0-)

    But for now, even at this current low, people aren't buying what Republicans are selling.

  •  By now... (0+ / 0-)

    The only Americans that are for the right wing liars and traitors are the ignorant hateful types and those that are no different from the tea party leaders, just unAmerican criminals.

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    by JohnnieZ on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 02:00:01 PM PST

  •  Dig the hole deeper (0+ / 0-)

    The Reps and their Insurance Industry masters will dig their grave, and what will come of it is:

    Single Payer System called Medicare for all

    The Insurance theives will be in the cold, greed does have consequences I'm happy to say.

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