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Yup, back to 3CM's lazy default mode for an SNLC this evening (and in absentee mode at that, to compound his cosmic loserness), namely the semi-regular appearance of the Post-Black Friday poll in SNLC, the 4th such poll diary in the history of SNLC (such as that is).  Since SNLC has been on DK since 2006, it thus hasn't been every year.  Some things, however, that self does seem not to have changed with the years.  More below the flip.....

Not that it means much, but I certainly didn't hit the mall or the big box stores yesterday, which is par for the course.  Instead, stopped by The Loop, first for lunch, which was actually from a mass mailing coupon for a Noodles and Company chain location.  The coupon expired today, so obviously not much time left to use it hence lunch yesterday.  It was for a free bowl of noodles, but I bought a side soup and a soda bottle to at least pay something for the visit, and not totally cheap out with the coupon.  Soup and the noodles were pretty good.  Did visit one used record/CD store and used up a credit voucher on 2 CDs that I don't have time to listen to, but at least were of interest to me.  Their classical selection is far from the best, but then not every indie record/CD store, or at least those that remain, can't be Academy Records (NYC) or Amoeba Records (CA, 2 locations - I think, still).  So not a whole lot there, regarding shopping or nominally stimulating the local economy with nominal spending of cash.

Of course, it says something of how naive and bubble-confined 3CM is that until a few days ago, he wasn't even aware of the phenomenon known as Gray Thursday, i.e. retail stores opening on Thanksgiving Day itself, such as reported on APM's Marketplace here and NPR's Morning Edition here.  Just in concept, Black Friday is crazy enough with shoppers flooding the stores, but to extend the shopping madness on to Thanksgiving Day seems ridiculous.

However, I do remember hearing on one of these public radio stories (can't remember which), regarding Gray Thursday, that other businesses are open on Thanksgiving Day, like:

* Restaurants - serving Thanksgiving Day meals (natch)
* Gas stations - people have to drive to get over to friends and family for various bouts of over-eating, besides being with friends & family (the most important aspect of it)
* Movie theaters - start of the holiday movie season, and some folks will want to get out of the house

So in principle, it shouldn't be that objectionable in principle for retailers to be open on Thanksgiving Day.  Just speaking intuitively, though, it doesn't make sense to me, at least, since those people who shop on Thanksgiving Day will shop on Black Friday or that weekend anyway,  Perhaps my "zero-sum" thinking doesn't make sense (no big surprise there), but there it is.  

With that, time for the usual SNLC protocol, namely your loser stories of the week, once you've voted in the poll, of course......

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  •  hope everyone had a nice Thanksgiving (10+ / 0-)

    For self, spent part of it cat-sitting a friend's kittehs.  Fed mine as well.  That was it for company.

    Back in a few hours, sometime after midnight local time, to follow up with comments, if any.

    "It's only in books that the officers of the detective force are superior to the weakness of making a mistake." (Wilkie Collins, The Moonstone)

    by chingchongchinaman on Sat Nov 30, 2013 at 03:20:54 PM PST

  •  Worked to Get a Couple Orders Shipped (7+ / 0-)

    but since I do artisan work in house, finished the afternoon by setting up some of the holiday decorations.

    I noticed that my regional sheet metal supplier and my local credit union were both closed, so I didn't do any of my craft business with them, and good for their employees to have the day off.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sat Nov 30, 2013 at 06:03:59 PM PST

    •  hopefully waiting until Monday to..... (3+ / 0-)
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      ......get back to the sheet metal supplier won't set things back too much on pending orders (assuming I'm reading things correctly).

      "It's only in books that the officers of the detective force are superior to the weakness of making a mistake." (Wilkie Collins, The Moonstone)

      by chingchongchinaman on Sat Nov 30, 2013 at 11:06:41 PM PST

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  •  Does a haircut count as shopping? (6+ / 0-)

    To be sure, it is a retail experience, and the cheerful barberess did indeed have to work on Black Friday. But it was far from a maddening scramble.

    Divorce update: A loser experience, for sure. That said, things have been quiet for nearly a month, and for that, I am grateful.

    “Americans are fighters. We're tough, resourceful and creative, and if we have the chance to fight on a level playing field, where everyone pays a fair share and everyone has a real shot, then no one - no one - can stop us. ”-- Elizabeth Warren

    by Positronicus on Sat Nov 30, 2013 at 06:25:22 PM PST

    •  hmm, well...... (3+ / 0-)
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      I guess most people wouldn't consider a haircut 'shopping' as such, since material goods weren't received.  More a service sector purchase, I guess, but hey.

      "It's only in books that the officers of the detective force are superior to the weakness of making a mistake." (Wilkie Collins, The Moonstone)

      by chingchongchinaman on Sat Nov 30, 2013 at 11:07:38 PM PST

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  •  I Think the Alabama Football Team Will Be Along (6+ / 0-)

    after a few more kegs of beer.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sat Nov 30, 2013 at 06:37:30 PM PST

  •  Thanksgiving at the convenience store... (4+ / 0-)
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    A coworker brought me entirely too much food, all of it delicious.

    But we were busy, and then even busier on Black Friday, b/c Corporate decided to give away a bunch of beverages, deeply discount others (and ice cream!), and generally make our lives hell.

    And after all that, about two minutes before closing time (midnight) we get about four or five customers. I mean, really? You wait until 11:58 to decide you just have to have something?

    One stupid sonofabitch waited way too long and showed up at the door at 12:07, by which time we had already counted down the registers and were about ready to leave.

    So that was my Black Friday. I bought the NYT at work and very little else.

    Irony takes a worse beating from Republicans than Wile E. Coyote does from Acme. --Tara the Antisocial Social Worker

    by Youffraita on Sat Nov 30, 2013 at 10:08:17 PM PST

    •  nothing wrong with having..... (3+ / 0-)
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      ......the Thanksgiving bounty there, certainly better than me.  I've been a somewhat last minute customer at my barber's at times, but generally not that close to closing time.  Sorry about the hassle, but hopefully the increased take counted for something.

      "It's only in books that the officers of the detective force are superior to the weakness of making a mistake." (Wilkie Collins, The Moonstone)

      by chingchongchinaman on Sat Nov 30, 2013 at 11:11:37 PM PST

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      •  No, it was a terrific dinner. (3+ / 0-)
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        She even gave me a pastele, which I was much too full to eat, but took home to steam for breakfast.

        We usually lock the door around 11:58, so on Black Friday they came in right before we would have closed. Damn. One of my coworkers went and locked the door anyway so nobody else could get in, and I killed the front lights but left the back-of-the-store lights on until we could get rid of them all.

        The crew I work with now want to close on time and get the hell out.

        Irony takes a worse beating from Republicans than Wile E. Coyote does from Acme. --Tara the Antisocial Social Worker

        by Youffraita on Sat Nov 30, 2013 at 11:28:05 PM PST

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        •  in other words, this crew is an..... (1+ / 0-)
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          ......improvement on the previous crew?  Not being snarky with that question, strange as that may seem.

          "It's only in books that the officers of the detective force are superior to the weakness of making a mistake." (Wilkie Collins, The Moonstone)

          by chingchongchinaman on Sun Dec 01, 2013 at 04:02:53 PM PST

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          •  In some ways yes, in others, no (1+ / 0-)
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            Julie is fabulous: fast, efficient, and just a joy to work with. Our new assistant manager, ditto.

            But the old crew wanted to make sure everything was just right by the time we left, so we stayed (and got a bit of overtime) to make sure the store was perfect.

            The newbies don't give a shit what the place looks like. They would rather text or talk on the phone than do work, they do the least amount possible, and at midnight they want to leave right away. The third coworker (after Julie and me) on Black Friday announced that the Fronting and Facing (exactly what it sounds like wrt shelves of product) was perfect.

            Well, yes, it WAS perfect: b/c I went around and F&Fed the dozens of things she totally didn't even look at.

            So there ya go. I have two great coworkers & half a dozen idiots/slackards.

            Irony takes a worse beating from Republicans than Wile E. Coyote does from Acme. --Tara the Antisocial Social Worker

            by Youffraita on Sun Dec 01, 2013 at 11:29:54 PM PST

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            •  25%, not a good percentage there (0+ / 0-)

              Oh well.  I take it that you haven't pointed out their defects to the half dozen......

              "It's only in books that the officers of the detective force are superior to the weakness of making a mistake." (Wilkie Collins, The Moonstone)

              by chingchongchinaman on Mon Dec 02, 2013 at 09:28:03 PM PST

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  •  I cooked the turkey again. (4+ / 0-)
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    I fucking hate Thanksgiving.  I started to type just now that since I started being the Thanksgiving chef, every Thanksgiving is a family fight, but thinking back, every Thanksgiving I've ever known has been a family fight of some kind.

    So let me explain this one.  I roast the turkey.  I take the turkey out.  I peel off the cooking bag.  I tell everybody, serve yourselves, I'm done.

    My brother Gary, the one I live with, starts to complain.  "The meat is so dark!  What's wrong with it!"

    "There's hardly any meat on it at all!"

    "Did you leave it out too long to thaw?  Maybe it fermented before you put it in the oven..."

    I said the turkey seemed perfectly fine to me.  I served myself some dinner, and tried to eat it in peace while my brother offered up various paranoid accusations and refused to eat it.  Finally, I had enough and started shaking my finger and telling everybody to go fuck themselves.  Then I storm out to go surf the Internet.

    A little later, my brother comes in and tells me that everybody decided that the problem was Winco, the place that I bought the turkey from.  They must have sold us some really WEIRD turkey.  It's not my fault.

    At this point I've cooled down a little bit.  I go into the kitchen and without saying a word, I flip the turkey over.  No wonder the meat was dark. Apparently I cooked it breast side down.  Once flipped over, all that white meat was there, except it was a little bit blanched looking from being on the bottom.  Obviously I'm no Food Channel chef, but I see now that some people prefer their turkey cooked breast side down because it makes the white meat juicier.  Whatever.

    •  LOL! (4+ / 0-)
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      Dumbo, yes, you cook the turkey breast-side-down so it stays juicier, but then you flip it over to brown the skin for the final x number of minutes. I don't actually roast turkeys b/c I don't like them very much, but even I know that bit of cooking lore.

      But what's really cracking me up: couldn't anyone LOOKING at the bird see that it was upside down?

      OMG, I LOVE Thanksgiving. I (used to) make lists: what to buy, what the menu would be, and in which order to cook everything so it would all be ready at the same time. This was crucial the year I made dinner for about 11 people, and I still had to borrow my friends' oven (they lived upstairs and were coming to my dinner anyway, so they didn't mind) b/c the ovens in that building were so small.

      I'm sorry your Thanksgiving was so stressful. And that your relatives are basically food-illiterate.

      Irony takes a worse beating from Republicans than Wile E. Coyote does from Acme. --Tara the Antisocial Social Worker

      by Youffraita on Sat Nov 30, 2013 at 11:17:08 PM PST

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      •  I love turkey but... (3+ / 0-)
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        Some of the absolute worst memories of my life revolve around Thanksgiving family arguments.  They're worse than other family arguments because you're TRAPPED by the fucking holiday with no where to escape.  

        Really, I thought it was breast side up, too.  It was a huge turkey, and one side looks just like another to me, especially when they're that big, so they just kind of sprawl.

        Oh... I just realized what it was.  Just now.  I must have had the drumsticks tied up together across the back.  When it's like that, you can't tell very easily that it's breast side down in the pan.  

        Flipping it half way?  That's for the Iron Chef to do.  I'm too lame to do that without starting a housefire.

        •  No, you start it breast-side down (3+ / 0-)
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          and I don't think it's halfway through, but toward the end, you just turn it so it's breast-side up and the skin can brown.

          Doesn't take an iron chef. Any woman who cooks can do it.

          Then again, I never truss the drumsticks. Never saw a reason for it...but I don't much like turkey so I don't roast it. Best turkey I ever had, some friends of mine smoked in a Japanese smoker-cooker on their deck.

          Wow. THOSE birds were excellent (and they did it for parties, not just holidays). Never asked Rick whether he smoked the birds breast-side-up or breast-side-down. ;-D

          Irony takes a worse beating from Republicans than Wile E. Coyote does from Acme. --Tara the Antisocial Social Worker

          by Youffraita on Sun Dec 01, 2013 at 12:27:52 AM PST

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      •  more than what I know about cooking..... (1+ / 0-)
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        ......turkey, but then I've never tried to cook one on my own.  OTOH, given my life, there's no reason to.

        "It's only in books that the officers of the detective force are superior to the weakness of making a mistake." (Wilkie Collins, The Moonstone)

        by chingchongchinaman on Sun Dec 01, 2013 at 04:03:40 PM PST

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        •  meh. If you want turkey, buy a piece (1+ / 0-)
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          like half a breast or a turkey leg or something.

          I can actually find smoked turkey parts at Sav-A-Lot sometimes. I think something like a smoked turkey wing or drumstick would probably be a great alternative to ham hocks for soup, for example.

          But to roast the whole bird? I'd rather roast a goose. They actually are quite delicious.

          Irony takes a worse beating from Republicans than Wile E. Coyote does from Acme. --Tara the Antisocial Social Worker

          by Youffraita on Sun Dec 01, 2013 at 11:37:09 PM PST

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          •  each year at..... (0+ / 0-)

            ......work, there's a Thanksgiving lunch a week ahead of the day, so I get turkey in November in some form or other.   I can't even remember the last T-day when I wasn't on my own, probably 2 years back.

            "It's only in books that the officers of the detective force are superior to the weakness of making a mistake." (Wilkie Collins, The Moonstone)

            by chingchongchinaman on Mon Dec 02, 2013 at 09:29:55 PM PST

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  •  no money spent (3+ / 0-)
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    by me. even with financial difficulties, no desire to go shopping for deals.

    funny, not sure what i did. i finished a book.

    tonight, back late from my very first opera. yes, i know: very late in my life but gotta start some time. it was magic flute-lite and probably a perfect intro for a newby.

    hard to describe but this is an unusual production with use of an animation background kinda like a silent movie type with a steampunk type of feel to the animation.  the powers that be eliminated the dialogue in between the songs. there was a translation of the german discretely on a screen on the side.  

    creative and fun. at the pre-show talk, the director, James Conlon, provided an explanation of the story, the characters, and most importantly the symbolism, of which there probably could be more but there wasn't enough time.

    oops here's a link to a trailer.

    •  That looks like fun! (3+ / 0-)
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      Dumbo and 3CM know about opera, I don't, so my knowledge of The Magic Flute consists of:

      (1) I've heard of it
      (2) It's by Mozart

      But from the trailer, that definitely looks like it could be quite an intriguing production.

      Glad you enjoyed it.

      Irony takes a worse beating from Republicans than Wile E. Coyote does from Acme. --Tara the Antisocial Social Worker

      by Youffraita on Sun Dec 01, 2013 at 12:41:56 AM PST

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      •  Ingmar Bergman made a film of..... (2+ / 0-)
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        ......The Magic Flute, which I've never seen, but it's Ingmar Bergman, so that should be recommendation enough :) .  BTW, oculus would know about the opera too, of course.

        "It's only in books that the officers of the detective force are superior to the weakness of making a mistake." (Wilkie Collins, The Moonstone)

        by chingchongchinaman on Sun Dec 01, 2013 at 04:00:07 PM PST

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        •  Sorry: (2+ / 0-)
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          You're right, I forgot about oculus.

          Bergman did it? OMG. I've seen exactly one Bergman, if memory serves. It was Cries and Whispers. I was a teen.

          You will forgive me for never desiring to see another Bergman, I hope.

          Did the Magic Flute commit suicide (flauticide)?

          Irony takes a worse beating from Republicans than Wile E. Coyote does from Acme. --Tara the Antisocial Social Worker

          by Youffraita on Sun Dec 01, 2013 at 11:41:17 PM PST

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          •  LOL! (1+ / 0-)
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            images of flauticide got to me.

            i just looked it up. this opera was lipsynched. horrors.

            my one bergman was fanny and alexandera, which was kinda long.

            •  well, that's normal for filmed opera (1+ / 0-)
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              One semi-recent exception was the UK Channel 4 TV film of John Adams' & Alice Goodman's The Death of Klinghoffer (made in 2003), which the singers sang on set to a pre-recorded orchestral soundtrack.  I think the sound then got properly mixed later in the studio, with those on-set voices.

              "It's only in books that the officers of the detective force are superior to the weakness of making a mistake." (Wilkie Collins, The Moonstone)

              by chingchongchinaman on Mon Dec 02, 2013 at 09:37:51 PM PST

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          •  only that one? You need to check out..... (0+ / 0-)

            ......the Bergman classic, The Seventh Seal, if only to see where Woody Allen got so many of his ideas.  But there's also Smiles of a Summer Night, the original of Sondheim's A Little Night Music.  Then you just might be inclined to go for The Magic Flute :) .

            "It's only in books that the officers of the detective force are superior to the weakness of making a mistake." (Wilkie Collins, The Moonstone)

            by chingchongchinaman on Mon Dec 02, 2013 at 09:31:54 PM PST

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      •  hah! (1+ / 0-)
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        i know just about as much as you. thanks for the reply!

    •  found the page from LA Opera's..... (2+ / 0-)
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      ......site here.  Glad you liked it.  Opera Theatre of Saint Louis is doing The Magic Flute next season, in an English translations (all operas at OTSL are done in English, regardless of original languagte), with direction and sets by Isaac Mizrahi (not a misprint).

      "It's only in books that the officers of the detective force are superior to the weakness of making a mistake." (Wilkie Collins, The Moonstone)

      by chingchongchinaman on Sun Dec 01, 2013 at 03:59:22 PM PST

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      •  cheapest seats (1+ / 0-)
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        were in the last row, quite fine with me.

        the laopera conductor, james conlon, at the pre-show lecture, warned the purists may want to walk out. not sure if i saw anyone leave. certainly liberties were taken and there was lots of humor.

        how would that work with an english translation ?  are the words in the song also translated then?

        •  Probably translated? (2+ / 0-)
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          Die Fleidemaus (The Bat, and I probably didn't spell it correctly) is a light opera associated with New Year's Eve, and it's usually done in English, even though it was originally written in German, so the translation problem might not be a huge hurdle. English is, after all, a Germanic language.

          Irony takes a worse beating from Republicans than Wile E. Coyote does from Acme. --Tara the Antisocial Social Worker

          by Youffraita on Sun Dec 01, 2013 at 11:45:48 PM PST

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          •  The Metropolitan Opera has traditionally..... (1+ / 0-)
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            .....done a hybrid solution, to have the musical portion sung in German and the dialogue done in English.  Way back in the day, at the old Met and before, apparently everything was done in English.  The Met is evidently going to do a new version totally in English, updated to 1920's NYC.

            Side note:  that may be why the originally scheduled Adele, the German soprano Christine Schaefer, withdrew from the production, even though the official explanation is illness.  Her spoken English isn't the smoothest, even if otherwise she's perfectly nice to look at, in that Germanic blonde way.  But then I would say that, being a guy ;) .

            "It's only in books that the officers of the detective force are superior to the weakness of making a mistake." (Wilkie Collins, The Moonstone)

            by chingchongchinaman on Mon Dec 02, 2013 at 09:36:08 PM PST

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        •  yup, the entire libretto is translated at.... (1+ / 0-)
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          .....OTSL, unless the opera was originally in English, of course.  Since The Magic Flute does have dialogue in addition to the sung numbers, it actually makes sense to have it all in English.  I've seen it done once with even the dialogue in German, kindly surtitled, of course (via PowerPoint).

          "It's only in books that the officers of the detective force are superior to the weakness of making a mistake." (Wilkie Collins, The Moonstone)

          by chingchongchinaman on Mon Dec 02, 2013 at 09:33:34 PM PST

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  •  I had a lot of fun with grandbabies (2+ / 0-)
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    I can tell you that at meals it is LOUD.  :)  They came Thursday for dinner and stayed until noon on Sat.  

    I crashed and burned at 8:45 so now I am awake.  Weird.

    Best wishes to all here!!

    Join us at Bookflurries-Bookchat on Wednesday nights 8:00 PM EST

    by cfk on Sun Dec 01, 2013 at 01:58:41 AM PST

    •  sounds good (2+ / 0-)
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      Of course, the total opposite of my Thanksgiving, where the loudest sound was a cat in each place that I hung out with teh kittehs.

      "It's only in books that the officers of the detective force are superior to the weakness of making a mistake." (Wilkie Collins, The Moonstone)

      by chingchongchinaman on Sun Dec 01, 2013 at 04:04:25 PM PST

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