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U.S. President Barack Obama speaks during a campaign rally at Ohio University in Athens, Ohio, October 17, 2012. Obama is campaigning in Iowa and Ohio on Wednesday following the second presidential debate against Mitt Romney on October 16.  REUTERS/Jason
Crap! Those young voters will be too busy impeaching Obama to vote for him again.
Big headline over Ron Fournier's latest at National Journal:
Millennials Abandon Obama and Obamacare
A majority of America's youngest adults would vote to recall the president.
The nut of the story on a new Harvard poll:
millennials are not so hot on their president.

Obama's approval rating among young Americans is just 41 percent, down 11 points from a year ago, and now tracking with all adults. While 55 percent said they voted for Obama in 2012, only 46 percent said they would do so again.

When asked if they would want to recall various elected officials, 45 percent of millennials said they would oust their member of Congress; 52 percent replied "all members of Congress" should go; and 47 percent said they would recall Obama. The recall-Obama figure was even higher among the youngest millennials, ages 18 to 24, at 52 percent.

This excited Fournier so much that he's tweeted about it at least 38 times today. You see, it's not just him that hates Obama, it's even his strongest youth supporters! And it's true, Obama's numbers suck across the board, even among some of his most reliable constituencies.

Yet missing among Fournier's story and his plethora of tweets? Context on those "vote again" numbers. From the pollsters' summary:

83 percent of those who supported President Obama versus Mitt Romney tell us that they would vote again for Obama if they could recast their vote, only four percent (4%) would vote for Mitt Romney if they could
Or this:
7. If you could re-cast your 2012 vote for president today, for whom would you vote? (n=1,115)

Barack Obama ................................................ 46%
Mitt Romney .................................................. 35%

So ... Obama still wins the group by double-digits, and the 13 percent who say "someone else" would vote for him in the end because "someone else" would mean "Mitt Romney".

Are people pissed? Of course! Could much of this been avoided with a simple Medicare For All bill instead of trying to protect the corrupt incumbent insurance industry? Of course! Are many young Americans upset about the NSA and drones stuff? Deservedly so! Does this mean that Obama needs to fear a recall effort against him? Uh... Does this mean that young voters will suddenly be voting for Republicans? Good luck with that.

Some people have suggested that Fournier's National Journal has been trying to remake itself in Politico's image. From here, it looks more like they're trying to be the National Review.

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  •  so how exactly are the GOPPERS doing amongst (14+ / 0-)

    the younger generation, I wonder . . . . . How's all that much-vaunted "outreach" coming along . . . ?


    In the end, reality always wins.

    by Lenny Flank on Wed Dec 04, 2013 at 05:04:22 PM PST

  •  "they're trying to be the National Review" (12+ / 0-)

    Ooooh! SNAP!

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Wed Dec 04, 2013 at 05:06:35 PM PST

  •  The danger with young people (17+ / 0-)

    The danger with young people is not that they vote Republican, but that they don't vote at all. And disaffection, rather than defection, is a real risk.

    •  Actually, the current trend of this demographic (3+ / 0-)
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      Patango, Pablo Bocanegra, whaddaya

      will be to vote heavily during the upcoming elections...but not for republicans, and not for Democrats. They are looking for Independent candidates, especially those that lean socialist.

      I see both parties trying to spin this, but it's evident that they aren't talking to this group of constituents because if they were, they would be scrambling to develop a new playbook (which might explain Obama's sudden about face re: income inequality).

      They are disgusted with the republicans, but they are very disillusioned with the Democrats because of Obama's long string of broken promises.

      I talk to some of these people -- on the California college campuses -- everyday, and they tell me, they want to change the entire atmosphere in Washington by getting rid of all the incumbents and starting over. I can guarantee that the worst decision the Democrats  could make for 2016 would be to nominate Hillary Clinton.

      Elizabeth Warren and possibly Bernie Sanders could win this group's vote, but not any other Democrats at this point.

      •  the basic dynamic of the 60s was that young people (1+ / 0-)
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        Pablo Bocanegra

        gave up on both the Dem AND the Repug parties, and took to the streets to force change on both parties.

        I can only hope and pray the same thing happens again.  Soon.

        In the end, reality always wins.

        by Lenny Flank on Wed Dec 04, 2013 at 05:38:31 PM PST

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        •  My opinion (0+ / 0-)

          and the opinion of several others close to me in your target age group, is that we blame that exact demographic and tactic you exalt  for the lack of strength and organization within the democratic party.

          Instead of doing things for show, like going to protests. We tend to value effective methods, such as organized power, and voting.  

          The youth will show up again to the polls if we get a leader who will push hard for our ideals, Id say they will care little if that leader comes from some old, or new guard. Its just the strength of will that is a motivation factor.

      •  Here's a link to the full report: (1+ / 0-)
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        Some interesting stuff in there- interpret at will.

        •  And the top line data (pdf) is here: (1+ / 0-)
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          GLancing through that, it seems that kids still don't give a significant crap about politics, and while more kids may be dropping their "Democrat" badge, they ain't replacing it a "Republican" badge. More Excellent News for John McCain!

          So in fact Three-Way Ron's actual headline should be...

          "Kids: Still Hippies and Hoodlums, but now we call them Millennials"

          Also for reference, here's the 2005 survey toplines:

          You can't spell ALEC without "lackey."

          by here4tehbeer on Wed Dec 04, 2013 at 08:40:11 PM PST

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          •  Kids was kind of my reaction too- (1+ / 0-)
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            especially since they support both taxing the rich and cutting food stamps. Hard to see a coherent philosophy there.

            •  And I have to say… while we'd all like to think (2+ / 0-)
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              gramofsam1, Buckeye54

              "our" kids are the smart ones—"our" being those kids who we believe identify and align with our beliefs—the sad fact is that a lot of the college kids I run into are still not really tuned into the world around them, and I think that has more to do with too much information than too little. I'm sure at some point they look around at all the BS going on globally and domestically and just say frak it. Of course there are a lot more distractions these days as well.  I remain one of those folks who believe history will prove "The Internet" to be a net loss for civilization.

              I'm certainly not saying there aren't a lot of great kids out there doing and yearning to do great things -- but I just don't think we're yet at "salvation" levels.

              Sure, I'm glad ours is a party that caters to people in their formative years versus those in their formaldehyde years, but it's not hard to see why today's kids have grown disengaged: they live in a world of near-instant gratification, and not too many at that age are likely willing to invest long-term in anyone… especially a politician.  I know I wasn't.

              I was 6 when JFK was assassinated… the same age today's 18 year olds were when the WTC and Pentagon were hit.  In my day the US launched that horrific event to the Moon in a decade.  In their day the US launched a war in Iraq for a decade.

              My patience would be thin too.

              You can't spell ALEC without "lackey."

              by here4tehbeer on Wed Dec 04, 2013 at 10:28:01 PM PST

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      •  Ah (1+ / 0-)
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        it was ever thus. Young people throughout the ages have bitched about their choices and yearned to change the world. There's nothing new under the sun.

      •  I would not say its (0+ / 0-)

        because of broken promises but he has appeared weak to us lately.

        As a core constituency of the young and educated. Hes done some good things that we support, end dont ask dont tell, healthcare reform.  But I dont think he has hit any home runs for us either.

        And hes fumbled a few things that make him look sloppy in our eyes, the failed tech roll-out of the health care exchanges. Still acting all pompous on weed laws.

        He turned from a great leader that could really revitalize the system by knocking it out of the park To a good guy but not really getting the job done.

        In the next election, we will be looking for someone to be honest that the democratic party has not lived up to its potential, but that they will push to go all the way for the issues we care about.  Obama just not seem to have really joined the program on what we want.

        I hope I am not putting too much of my own opinion in this but I feel that is all a semi fair opinion of the 20's crowd

      •  In 2008 the young people (0+ / 0-)

        basically gave Obama the win in the Iowa caucus , Hillary came in as the front running and her people were spitting blood by the end of it , condemning the well organized college kids and all of us that decided to supported them

        Unfortunately , Obama abandoned a lot of the platform he ran on after the election then , and all those young people were watching  

        Just look at the real hunger for a real liberal candidate , what I will be supporting is some real teeth in the dem platform to hold candidates accountable , I do not expect 100% , but I expect them to get at least 60% of our agenda , then fight like hell for the other 40

        Beer Drinkers & Hell Raisers

        by Patango on Wed Dec 04, 2013 at 07:42:13 PM PST

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  •  So (7+ / 0-)
    Could much of this been avoided with a simple Medicare For All bill instead of trying to protect the corrupt incumbent insurance industry?
    No health care change at all, then?

    The hardest thing about governing is sticking your neck out.  It's obviously even harder when you stick your neck out to get something passed.

    "Harass us, because we really do pay attention. Look at who's on the ballot, and vote for the candidate you agree with the most. The next time, you get better choices." - Barney Frank

    by anonevent on Wed Dec 04, 2013 at 05:07:22 PM PST

  •  38 times?! (4+ / 0-)
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    I have a feeling Mr. Fournier's computer and smartphone are going to need a thorough cleaning after today. He must have a hard on so large you can see it from fucking orbit.

    Sorry, I'm watching In the Loop and I've got Peter Capaldi's Malcom Tucker on the brain.

    "I tell you to fuck off, what do you do?"

    "I F off?"

    "You'll go far. Now fuck off!"

    •  still unskewing the polls, I see (1+ / 0-)
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      Has anyone bothered to tell Mr Tweets-A-Lot that Obama isn't running in 2016? And that every single elected president has a slide in approval after the campaign high wears off?
      Or that Willard Effing Romney never had a G-D thing to offer millenials or anyone else that didn't already have too much of everything?

      whatever. I suppose it's better masturbatory fodder for Fournier than attempting another doomed autopsy of the Party of Hate.

      Last full month in which the average daily temperature did not exceed twentieth-century norms: 2/1985 - Harper's Index, 2/2013

      by kamarvt on Thu Dec 05, 2013 at 05:40:58 AM PST

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  •  Ron Fournier is the worst kind of shill (7+ / 0-)

    I knew it the moment he opened his mouth for the first time on Morning Joe.

  •  No one should consider Fournier to (3+ / 0-)

    be a neutral observer. The Obama hate has been evident for so long now.

    And the millennials abandoning Obama narrative (with polls) started in 2009. Fournier's trotting out a mangy old dog, and he might not even know it--he doesn't seem very bright.

    •  It's an old dog, but it hunts. PBS News Hour (2+ / 0-)
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      mentioned it in their intro tonight. Don't know how they covered the story cause I turned it off immediately.

      The News Hour has gotten noticeably suckier in just the past few weeks. I'm about done with them.

    •  He was awful during the GW Bush years (2+ / 0-)
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      Patango, Buckeye54

      From his very strategic perch at AP he kept hinting the Democrats were undermining the fight against Al Quaeda.  He was very active spreading disinformation during the Valerie Plaime case.  I seem to remember him writing an article saying that everyone in Washington knew she was CIA, which was totally false, and therefore that ScooterLibby had done nothing wrong and was a dedicated, patriotic public servant that no one should criticize.

      He has always been right wing, devoted to Republican partisan interests, and has never really made much pretense of Villager centrism, etc.  I do think that AP has gotten much better since then, although I realize that is not saying much.

  •  What would young people rather the US do? (1+ / 0-)
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    "Could much of this been avoided with a simple Medicare For All bill instead of trying to protect the corrupt incumbent insurance industry?"
    Easier said than done when many of the Democrats did not want a single payer system.  They realize that they would have lost a boat load of campaign cash had they bucked an entire industry.

    "Are many young Americans upset about the NSA and drones stuff?"
    Would these same young people be happy if instead of drones taking care of terrorist the US simply instill a draft ad send them all over the world to take them out?

    •  The point was he should have pushed for it (2+ / 0-)
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      snoopydawg, Patango

      It would have put those Dems in an awkward position and moved the debate leftward, making it easier to make happen sooner. Always try to get more that you're able to.

      "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

      by kovie on Wed Dec 04, 2013 at 05:23:17 PM PST

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    •  But the drones AREN'T (0+ / 0-)

      Just taking care of the terrorists are they?  Nope.  They are murdering innocent civilians. And why the hell does the military need to provide protection for the corporations?  Let them foot their own protection.
      Amd the NSA should remember that we are supposed to be protected under the 4th Amendment

      Passing a law that the Constitution doesn't allow does not negate the Constitution, it negates the law that was passed. Secret courts can't make up secret laws. SORRY FOR THE TYPOS :)

      by snoopydawg on Wed Dec 04, 2013 at 06:19:22 PM PST

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      •  Drones kill with no warrant (1+ / 0-)
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        Why do people in the U.S. think we should be allowed to do this to other people in other countries? Corporations are not citizens and deserve no protection by our military, nor do any other foreign interests.

        Wonder why America is despised around the world?  What would we think if the situation was reversed?

        The founders would be in an armed revolt against globocop... And globo's corporate sponsors!

        •  I agree with you (0+ / 0-)

          Hoepfully, you were not responding to me.
          I do not wondervwhy we are despised at all.
          I despise what they do in our name and with our money.

          Passing a law that the Constitution doesn't allow does not negate the Constitution, it negates the law that was passed. Secret courts can't make up secret laws. SORRY FOR THE TYPOS :)

          by snoopydawg on Wed Dec 04, 2013 at 09:07:04 PM PST

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  •  How does Fournier rate with Milennials? (13+ / 0-)

    0% - Hate him
    0% - Love him
    92% - Never heard of him
    8% - Oow, something shiny

    Now with their party out of power, the GOP is flailing more then Mitch McConnell's jowls on a playground swing. S. Colbert

    by christomento on Wed Dec 04, 2013 at 05:16:13 PM PST

  •  Young People Are Mad Because President Obama (11+ / 0-)

    has not been liberal.  The younger generation are more liberal than I am which is saying very liberal.

    "Don't Let Them Catch You With Your Eyes Closed"

    by rssrai on Wed Dec 04, 2013 at 05:16:30 PM PST

    •  He hasn't had the ability to be as liberal as I'm (7+ / 0-)

      sure he likes. I know people like to forget that he needs to get things passed through the House and Senate and that we're not a dictatorship, but that's how it is.

      When we stop putting leaders from the past up on pedestals and ignoring their flaws, we can start seeing our present leaders for what they really are.

      by PhillyJeff on Wed Dec 04, 2013 at 05:20:49 PM PST

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      •  The perspective is that he has not even tried (2+ / 0-)
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        Patango, Pithy Cherub

        We understand things do not get passed. But if he had come out and officially supported full national health care we would be much happier. Even if things landed exactly where they did, we would still be much more supportive if he had at least tried.  

    •  It's not just the young, it's we older liberals (2+ / 0-)
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      snoopydawg, Pablo Bocanegra

      who cringe with embarassment at Obama's insistent pull for bi-partisanship with a party that pouts and poops its pants throughout all years when they are not in charge.  They did it to Clinton and they will do it again because they're just so freakin good at it perhaps due to their special GOP shoes with the cleated soles that allow them to dig in permanently.

      Building a better America with activism, cooperation, ingenuity and snacks.

      by judyms9 on Wed Dec 04, 2013 at 05:24:54 PM PST

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      •  The thing is (0+ / 0-)

        His calls for bipartisanship do resonate with more centrist voters. I've spoken to Republicans here who respect him for his inclusive approach and are personally angry with their own reps. Will this translate to votes? Probably not here but I do think it helps with those who aren't aligned.

        Also, if bipartisan agreements aren't made we get what we've got, a Congress that does nothing. Zip. No immigration reform, no jobs, nothing.

        And daddy won't you take me back to Muhlenberg County Down by the Green River where Paradise lay. Well, I'm sorry my son, but you're too late in asking Mister Peabody's coal train has hauled it away. John Prine

        by high uintas on Wed Dec 04, 2013 at 05:30:52 PM PST

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      •  Anyone who understands that a bill (1+ / 0-)
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        must be passed by both houses of Congress before it can be signed into law by the president understands the need for bi-partisanship.

        Republicans do presently control the House, you know. And they can use the  filibuster rules to gum up things in the Senate, too.

  •  Again with the 47%! (3+ / 0-)
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    Although, I find it hard to take seriously a demographic cohort that spends more time staring at 4" screens than at fellow human beings. I just had dinner in a restaurant and in the next table over there were 9 or 10 young women, ALL of whom were playing with their phones instead of talking to each other.


    My point is that people in their teens and twenties aren't fully formed yet, and don't vote in high numbers generally, and their opinions don't matter as much as that of people who are older, have greater responsibilities and experience, and vote more often. My crack about the smart phone generation aside, this was probably true of my generation when we were their age.

    Sorry, Ron, you're still an idiot. 47% of the people who've heard of you think so. The other 53% just think you're a dick. Ok, except your mom.

    "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

    by kovie on Wed Dec 04, 2013 at 05:21:15 PM PST

  •  How the hell would the vote for Obama again? (1+ / 0-)
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    Oh Mary Oh

    Isn't he term limited by the 22nd amendment? Maybe Obama will run for senator from Illinois after he retires from the presidency?

    Or Fournier can reach into his bag of magic and rewind history? Magical thinking pervades the right from the myth of the lost southern cause to the unskewed polls to climate and evolution denial.

    Unhinged in every detail is the right wing of this country and my jaw keeps dropping ever lower with their newest stupid shit.

    What stronger breast-plate than a heart untainted! Thrice is he arm'd, that hath his quarrel just; And he but naked, though lock'd up in steel, Whose conscience with injustice is corrupted. Henry VI Part II Act 3 Scene 2

    by TerryDarc on Wed Dec 04, 2013 at 05:23:35 PM PST

  •  Everyone thinks polls mean stuff. (1+ / 0-)
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    In reality, elections are decided when a majority of the public is persuaded that Candidate A is marginally less unfavorable than Candidate B.  So what the polls measure is the effectiveness of negative advertising.


    "We could run the grid on unicorn farts, but if consumption levels remain the same, Gaia will still lose the ability to support many species, including hominids." --Michael Donnelly

    by Cassiodorus on Wed Dec 04, 2013 at 05:31:00 PM PST

  •  The people who hate him are running (1+ / 0-)
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    out of arguments. Just now on FB I am having a discussion with a high school acquaintance:

    Her: How do I not become a victim of Obamacare?
    Me: How does getting affordable health care make you a victim?
    Her: Oh, I have affordable health insurance. But Obamacare will "fail" so hero POTUS can offer to save the collapse with a one payer system.
    •  People who hate ACA (2+ / 0-)
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      hulibow, Oh Mary Oh

      My sister feels "very sorry" for people who are being forced into narrower provider networks.  For her the answer is to get rid of the ACA and also eliminate Medicare.  She claims that studies have shown that health outcomes for people covered by Medicare are the same as for people without insurance.  So just get rid of Medicare.  Whenever she speaks about the poor she is irritable and impatient.  She seems to think that they just need to snap out of it and stop being poor and pitiful.

  •  every time i see "politico" i think payola, (1+ / 0-)
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    a group of self serving conservative jerks with little or not creative insights, paid hacks, and beltway whores.

    i think i shall diarrhea on the subject. maybe start a small movement. akin to the bowel, but far more better directed.

    What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

    by agnostic on Wed Dec 04, 2013 at 05:33:39 PM PST

  •  They are scared (2+ / 0-)
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    And are grasping at straws

    "If you lose your sense of humor, it's just not funny anymore" Wavy Gravy

    by offgrid on Wed Dec 04, 2013 at 05:34:35 PM PST

  •  a Fournier Transform--- falls to Zero /nt (1+ / 0-)
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    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013

    by annieli on Wed Dec 04, 2013 at 05:36:11 PM PST

  •  Good news for the GOP (3+ / 0-)

    They can win over the millenials if they turn sharply left and promote an activist government and social liberalism!

  •  convenient (6+ / 0-)

    How convenient that the day he does an event to get youth involved in spreading the word this poll gets trotted out and repeated everywhere. You can set your watch by our media. Next up...Obama takes Bo for a walk..."Sources speaking on the condition of anonymity say that Bo is really fed up with the President and is no longer happy with the amount of time they play fetch."

    I don't mean to be a bitch, but...

    by drummergirl on Wed Dec 04, 2013 at 05:41:11 PM PST

  •  Maybe some of the younger voters still haven't (0+ / 0-)

    realized that they are going to spend the lives, for the most part, voting from the least objectionable candidate.

    It's disheartening, but true.

    Compared to Romney, or any of the potential 2016 candidates Obama or some on like him looks really good.

    Compared to an ideal candidate, not so much.

  •  How many of that only four percent (0+ / 0-)

    would enlist in the military for a couple of decades?

  •  All the haters can do... (3+ / 0-)
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    is shake their angry, impotent fists toward the heavens.

    Barack Obama will be president until January 2017. He's for the ages. He will be deemed a top-tier president. His haters know this. It drives them nuts.

    It pleases me to no end.

    How about I believe in the unlucky ones?

    by BenderRodriguez on Wed Dec 04, 2013 at 05:48:47 PM PST

  •  I mean (2+ / 0-)

    who cares? There is no mechanism to recall the president. Why even ask the question?

    •  It's to bolster their arguments for impeachment (2+ / 0-)
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      If they wanted to go for impeachment they think they wouldn't face political backlash if people don't like him, wish he was recalled, etc.  

      That's what all these polls are about. They want to capitalize on his falling poll numbers and try to go in for the kill with saying even his friends don't like him anymore.  The belief is that if the can beat him up enough, no one will come to his defense if they want to start impeachment proceedings.

      They won't do it in 2014, but if they win back the Senate, I guarantee they'll go for it.

      •  It worked for them so well when they impeached (1+ / 0-)
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        Clinton. Let them try it with Obama. We'll see how that turns out for them.

      •  Impeachment (1+ / 0-)
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        Republican House members have been talking a lot about impeachment recently.  You can trust that Ron Fournier will be there supporting the message whatever they try to do.

        •  Yeah, what's his deal? (0+ / 0-)

          Do we know why Fournier is so anti-President Obama?  I mean, we're used to commentator hatred when the critics are on Breitbart, WND or Fox, but usually the people who at least try to present themselves as mainstream media are at least better at hiding their bias.  Is it a personal thing, like Tavis Smiley who is apparently mad the President didn't embrace his counsel more? (or something like that).  But Fournier?  It's one thing to be critical of some policies, but he clearly despises the man, not just the policies.

  •  When Ron Fournier dies, (2+ / 0-)
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    his gravestone will read,
    "Here lies Ron Fournier. He lies, has always lied, and always will lie"

    Just another underemployed IT professional computer geek.

    by RhodeIslandAspie on Wed Dec 04, 2013 at 05:50:11 PM PST

  •  the lesser of two evils vote...great (0+ / 0-)

    In the end Obama is still a neo-liberal conservative but the other choice is so egregious there is no choice.

    The era of procrastination, half-measures, soothing & baffling expedients, & delays, is coming to a close. We are entering a period of consequences - Churchill

    by PrometheusUnbound on Wed Dec 04, 2013 at 06:05:49 PM PST

  •  Medicare (0+ / 0-)

    Yes a simple Medicare for all bill would have been very easy to pass.

  •  That poll is 1 MONTH OLD (4+ / 0-)
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    Patango, Vicky, liberte, Oh Mary Oh

    I've had to endure hearing about this poll from the MSM ALL DAY.

    The data is from surveys during the botched roll out LAST MONTH.

    Why Harvard decided to release today, I have no idea.

    But it is simply part of the mass-polling that all polling orgs decided was necessary to capture Obama's low point.

  •  Fournier = BRILLIANT political scientiest! (2+ / 0-)
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    madronagal, Vicky

    He includes this data right in his story: "The survey of 2,089 young adults, conducted Oct. 30 through Nov. 11" ...

    Yet makes no connection to the state of polling or media response to the Obamacare roll out that time.

    Just like a snapshot of polls during the shutdown were skewed because of events at that time ...

    Why it was just released now, 3 weeks later? Beats me ...

  •  Gee, Lush Rimbaugh (2+ / 0-)
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    Patango, micsimov

    Seized on the same poll at the top of his first hour today and stated the same Fournier talking points. (or is it the other way around?)

    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities - Voltaire

    by cka on Wed Dec 04, 2013 at 07:00:39 PM PST

    •  They smell blood in the water (2+ / 0-)
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      liberte, cka

      from Obamas over all lower poll numbers , and are trying to get Obama to give in once again on budget negotiations IMO , this is were conservative have gotten Obama to buckle every time , corporate dems are always looking to flex their  muscle and put working class liberal dems in their place , making Obama jump thru their hoops and do their bidding has to be the most demoralizing for all of us

      I hope Obama shows them a stiff spine this time

      Beer Drinkers & Hell Raisers

      by Patango on Wed Dec 04, 2013 at 08:04:17 PM PST

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  •  Saying (or writing) stupid shit is classy... (0+ / 0-)

    when one is paid handsomely to do so.  Drawing attention to it for free?  Not so much apparently.

  •  Oh no (0+ / 0-)

    Obama's poll numbers are down, I'm devastated.  It's so what everyone is talking about.  The end days are nigh upon us.

    Seriously, people get paid for this shit?

    Let's see, healthcare reform, the deal with Iran, mass protests in Ukraine; nope Obama's poll numbers, US media sucks.  But we knew that already.

    The Democrats care about you after you're born. --Ed Schultz

    by micsimov on Wed Dec 04, 2013 at 08:00:42 PM PST

  •  Apathy could be a problem (0+ / 0-)

    If young people feel like their issues are being abandoned by the Democratic party they won't vote for Republicans...they just won't vote.  I hear this from a lot of young people who voted for Obama or were not old enough to vote for Obama but will be old by Nov. 2014.

  •  I just can't take it (1+ / 0-)
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    Everytime Obama dip in the polls, repubs and the media get all excited thinking millennials hate him.  They know this is the easiest constituency for the Dems to lose.  They stated that these 18 - 29 year olds would not vote in 2012 .  I don't see where the story here is.  Repubs have no one, I mean no one that could put this group in play.  

  •  Encouagement for Rove (0+ / 0-)

    I can't think of any subject in the universe, or any tiny facet of any subject, or any apparently harmless occasion when I would want to tell Karl Rove to "hang in there."  But Fournier did tell Rove exactly that, and he told him that in regard to Rove's political views, efforts, and interests.

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