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Ever since the last census hunting groups, wildlife agencies, and industry groups have been trying to figure out why the sharp uptick after falling off for so many years.

As with a lot of things it's not as simple as pointing your finger at one reason. Responsive Management is a polling company that does many polls for the outdoor industries. They conducted an exhaustive survey to determine the cause for the recent trends which were showing up on many state wildlife agency surveys. Their study can be found here.  http://www.responsivemanagement.com/... and their overall report including figures from the census is here.
http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/...

Top ten reasons below the blood trail.

1. Economy was down. Construction bottomed out. Carpenters and others had time to go hunting.

2. Rich people got richer and had more money to blow on hunting.

3. Groovy Foodies. Game meat is cool of late.

4 and 5 Programs from the State Agencies to recruit new hunters and retain old ones. Many programs to introduce new hunters to the sport and to make more access available for existing hunters

6. Marketing

7. to 10. Returning military, women, lapsed hunters returning to the fold.

Some things I picked up browsing through the stats...and that first link has a hundred or so pages of data and analysis.... Hunting populations have remained about 14 million (good thing or tags would be even harder to get) since the late 50s even though the population has increased steeply since then. Percent of the population hunting has dipped from around 8% to around 5%. Montana's hunter population dropped by about 25% when wolves reached high population levels around 2001 or 02. At the same time Idaho's hunting population increased. Massachusetts should stick to vegetarianism. Retired people are the biggest demographic closely followed by construction workers. Bankers and landscapers don't hunt much.

Who cares? Why does this matter? Forgetting the billions spent on hotels, beer, and camo, more importantly is conservation. Not suing government agencies as the latest iteration of the word is used but cash dollars to hire biologists and wildlife officers. The majority of monies spent on sage grouse and wolverines comes from hunting licenses. When poachers are cutting out gallbladders and hacking off paws in California the wages of the good guys that bust them are paid by hunters.


what can I say, I write a post, I get to press my family photos on ya. First critter in October, offhand at 20 yards.

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  •  Tip Jar (22+ / 0-)

    “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

    by ban nock on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 04:25:37 AM PST

  •  nice pic! (11+ / 0-)

    looks like it was kill or be killed with that trophy squirrel!

  •  Thoughts on wild boar, etc... (8+ / 0-)

    I've 52 and never hunted. No moral objection, just not a priority. Given some thought to it lately; trying to eat only humanely raised meat, and wild would count.

    Did some Googling about hunting wild pigs (invasive, exotic, destructive, delicious) here in GA and neighboring states. Found out that TN, trying to eradicate them, for awhile made it legal to hunt them all year round, no license needed.

    It backfired, so to speak. People started capturing wild pigs and releasing them to breed in areas where they had not previously existed, just so they'd have something to hunt there all year.

    "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

    by HeyMikey on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 04:43:01 AM PST

    •  Fastest growing segment of the hunting population (2+ / 0-)
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      along with AR type rifles to hunt them with though that wouldn't be my choice.

      I think pigs are about the only thing left to hunt in CA, cats like deer better.

      I've heard they aren't easy at all and that meat can be very good or not so, like bear.

      Wish we had them here but glad we don't.

      “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

      by ban nock on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 05:27:33 AM PST

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      •  doing a little reading on them (6+ / 0-)

        and it sounds like there's some down in the SE corner of the state.

        From a site in NM I guess I'm surprised to learn that "slaughtering is discouraged"

        The Wildlife Service is working with the Centers for Disease Control to establish guidelines for hunters and farmers who might come in contact with feral swine. They are urged to wear protective gloves. Slaughtering is discouraged, but if it occurs it should be followed by thoroughly washing the hands. Contact with blood and reproductive organs should be avoided. Gloves should be burned or buried along with the remains of any butchered hogs.
        Also surprised to learn they're predators:
        Predatory wild hogs are also known to take calves and young deer and sheep and eat the eggs and young of ground nesting birds. Moreover, they compete with native wildlife for food and water resources, spread invasive weeds and contaminate water supplies.

        “Orthodoxy is a relaxation of the mind accompanied by a stiffening of the heart.” ― Edward Abbey

        by elkhunter on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 06:59:30 AM PST

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      •  Cats aren't the big problem. (4+ / 0-)

        We've got some kind of new deer lice that carry disease and which have cut the population in half in the last few years in some areas.

        Mix that in with ever increasing sprawl, which means they can't migrate from highlands to lowlands anymore and we're down to about a quarter of our pre-70's deer populations.

        "I read New republic and Nation/I've learned to take every view.." P. Ochs

        by JesseCW on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 07:20:06 AM PST

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        •  fifty deer per cat per year adds up (3+ / 0-)
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          5000 cats x 50 = 250,000. Deer thrive on sprawl, sprinklers and landscaping become irrigated browse and graze. Your Fish and Wildlife is underfunded. Hogs are all that's left.

          “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

          by ban nock on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 07:39:47 AM PST

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          •  It's 3 to 4 thousand cats. (3+ / 0-)
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            According to many researchers, that's also falling due to habitat loss and habitat fragmentation. It was 6,000 in 1972 when we had 4 million deer.  We have about half a million now.

            Deer per cat per year?  20 to 120.  It's a diverse state.

            Meanwhile, by some estimates we had six times this many deer 150 years ago when the state was covered with grizzlies and we still had wolves.

            In most of CA, excepting regions right on the coast, deer migrate with the season.  In some parts of the state they used to migrate a couple hundred miles every spring and fall.  They can't do that anymore.

            "I read New republic and Nation/I've learned to take every view.." P. Ochs

            by JesseCW on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 08:02:02 AM PST

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            •  I was using current stats from your Fish and (2+ / 0-)
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              Wildlife. They say 4 to 6 K. Wolves and bear over a large area don't have much affect on blacktail or whitetail from what I read. Populations skyrocketed to such a degree when the megafauna extinction occurred and wolves couldn't put a dent in the populations  that a new species arose where the overlap of black and white tail occurred, and they're called mulies.

              I'd love to see griz back in Marin County. Would tickle me pink. I'd donate money to see it happen.

              “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

              by ban nock on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 08:14:58 AM PST

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              •  They operated on the basis of field surveys (4+ / 0-)

                from the early 70's until just a few years ago.  Now they still include those surveys in their "range" of population stats even though they're 40 years out of date.

                Marc Kenyon (CDFG's Bear, Lion, and Pig Coordinator) - "population size is, in fact, smaller than it was 10 years ago."  He estimates California's statewide lion population to be approximately 4,000 animals and dropping.

                "Pocket" populations just 5-10 miles apart are beginning to show signs of inbreeding similar to what we see in Florida Panthers.    The continuity of the population has been destroyed and they're in serious trouble unless we can start getting some decent corridors constructions.

                Bear eat quite a few fawns.  Our black bear, btw, are some of the biggest and most predatory in the country.  In the 100 years since our grizzlies were wiped out they've altered their behavior quite a bit.

                They almost never kill an adult deer and if they do, it's usually not healthy.  But they're one of the few animals with a nose that can sniff out a hidden two week old fawn.  I've found the remains - cougars or coyotes don't squash a skull flat.

                And griz?  They ranged all the way down into San Diego.   It' would be great to see them through their whole range.  But the original sub-species is gone.

                We had nearly a million deer in the 90's.  We've got less than half a million now.   The ones we do have are leaner, have smaller racks, and have hides thats look moth eaten.

                Our cat population is falling, not rising, so it's just about impossible that cats could cause the decline in deer.

                "I read New republic and Nation/I've learned to take every view.." P. Ochs

                by JesseCW on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 08:49:51 AM PST

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                •  maybe they just ate themselves out of deer? (0+ / 0-)

                  like the wuffs in Yellowstone.

                  “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

                  by ban nock on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 04:20:40 PM PST

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      •  Here in north/central Texas... (5+ / 0-)

        ...those that want to eat the meat tend to trap them, then corn-feed for a couple of weeks before butchering.

        Some folks will shoot them to eat, but mostly it's all about the pest-reduction.

        "No amount of belief makes something a fact." --James Randi

        by theatre goon on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 07:33:51 AM PST

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        •  When I lived in Northern CA, we just (3+ / 0-)
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          butchered them out then aged a couple days.

          But they mostly feed on acorns/manzanita berries.  Gives the meat a really strong flavor, but it's not bad.

          "I read New republic and Nation/I've learned to take every view.." P. Ochs

          by JesseCW on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 08:52:41 AM PST

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        •  theatre goon: you're around what, Decatur? (2+ / 0-)
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          Or farther north?

          Lubbock County's first feral hogs were noticed in 2010.... they're a menace around Spur.

          Tearin' up the ground in Abilene State Park, too. Having a huge negative impact on wildlife there -- birds, small animals, even deer. They're nasty and they destroy water and habitat, plus they're omnivores.

          LBJ, Van Cliburn, Ike, Wendy Davis, Lady Bird, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

          by BlackSheep1 on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 02:18:09 PM PST

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          •  Yeah, roughly that area. (2+ / 0-)
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            Somewhat southwest, but nearby -- for Texas, at least.

            This has been our worst year for hogs in the last four or five -- they've completely wrecked a good portion of our winter graze.  Luckily, we don't have much stock this year, we were trying to give the place a season or two to recover from the drought.

            If it ever thaws out, we've got a fair amount of repair to do...

            "No amount of belief makes something a fact." --James Randi

            by theatre goon on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 03:21:42 PM PST

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      •  we have 'em in most of Texas, ban nock, & (2+ / 0-)
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        they're damn nasty beasts.

        Can take out an 18-wheeler if it hits one right.

        Not javelina.
        Feral hog.
        Crossbred because some dimbulb nimrod "guides" thought bringing in Russian boar for trophy hunts would be just a dandy thing to do ...

        LBJ, Van Cliburn, Ike, Wendy Davis, Lady Bird, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

        by BlackSheep1 on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 02:14:44 PM PST

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        •  I've seen pictures, I'm incredulous (2+ / 0-)
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          they look dangerous to me. I also am amazed that we have such an uncontrollable invasive. It seems like we should be able to get rid of them somehow.

          “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

          by ban nock on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 04:17:50 PM PST

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          •  I'm in the mow 'em down and burn the carcass (2+ / 0-)
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            piles faction, myself. They're massive carriers of disease.

            LBJ, Van Cliburn, Ike, Wendy Davis, Lady Bird, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

            by BlackSheep1 on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 05:22:16 PM PST

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            •  Agreed (2+ / 0-)
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              Huge problem.  I see states like Missouri are cool with anyone shooting feral hogs at any time, but they don't want to allow guiding, establish seasons, or give out locations on public land because they don't want to establish a hog hunting culture or economy.  They're afraid the same thing will happen as in Texas--people will have a vested interest in MORE hogs and release them or at least oppose efforts to eradicate them.  Sometimes recruiting hunters into management efforts or population control doesn't work out like you'd think it would.  

              The other issue in hog invasion country is that it's hard to find public land locations to hunt them and while ranch owners like to claim they have this huge hog problem, if you try cold-calling a landowner, most of them will want a couple hundred bucks at least to let you hunt out there.  Even though you're doing them a land management favor, they want to cash in, so a guy like me from Minnesota who would otherwise love to go to Texas and help knock out a few hogs and fill the freezer can hardly afford to consider doing so as access is a problem.  If Texans really wanted the hogs gone, they'd be gone.  

              Political compass: -8.75 / -4.72

              by Mark Mywurtz on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 06:31:15 PM PST

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              •  I think a lot of people in a lot of states really (3+ / 0-)
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                do want them gone. The entire for profit hunting business is something I could go on and on about.

                “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

                by ban nock on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 07:48:46 PM PST

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              •  that's sort of a contraindicated situation (2+ / 0-)
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                Lots of us really want the hogs gone.
                The hogs populate places (like state parks and wildlife refuges) where hunting is prohibited -- for any species.
                Many landowners are looking for people to hunt hogs, but they do want to know the hunters are licensed / safety trained in Texas.

                http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/...

                In the 1930s, European wild hogs, "Russian boars," were first imported and introduced into Texas by ranchers and sportsmen for sport hunting. Most of these eventually escaped from game ranches and began free ranging and breeding with feral hogs. Because of this crossbreeding, there are very few, if any, true European hogs remaining in Texas.

                Feral hogs are unprotected, exotic, non-game animals. Therefore, they may be taken by any means or methods at any time of year. There are no seasons or bag limits, however a hunting license and landowner permission are required to hunt them.

                Map here: http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/...

                we'd like fewer of 'em 'cause they're a pest vector.

                n general, diseases from wild hogs do not pose a significant threat to humans; however, some diseases can be transmitted to livestock and wildlife. It is important to keep all livestock vaccinated, especially where large feral hog populations are concentrated.

                Various diseases of wild hogs include pseudorabies, swine brucellosis, tuberculosis, bubonic plague, tularemia, hog cholera, foot and mouth disease, and anthrax. Internal parasites include kidney worms, stomach worms, round worms and whipworms. Liver flukes and trichinosis are also found in hogs. External parasites include dog ticks, fleas and hog lice.

                LBJ, Van Cliburn, Ike, Wendy Davis, Lady Bird, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

                by BlackSheep1 on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 09:28:51 PM PST

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    •  I'm generally not keen on hunting (6+ / 0-)

      but would make an exception for wild boar/hogs.  I've seriously thought about going to southern Illinois and trying my luck. I do eat meat, not much, and would prefer to kill a wild boar than deal with the travesty that is hog production in this country. I'm not especially bothered by culling the deer herd either, but I'll leave that to others.  Killing gives me no pleasure, but eating does - and it almost seems like a duty to shoot feral hogs.

      So yea, if I could get a clean killing shot at a wild hog, I'd pull the trigger.  

      Wild hogs are exceptionally damaging and destructive.  It's sad that people would capture them, breed them, and then expand their range - but wild hogs do a pretty good job of dispersing without human help.

      “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

      by ivorybill on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 05:54:12 AM PST

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      •  Good luck to you, but if I could put in my 2 cents (4+ / 0-)

        ,,,, No one likes to see an animal suffer, and hogs are  very stout animal, they can withstand a lot of damage before sucumbing. Study up on caliber, cartridge type, bullet construction, and get comfortable from all positions especially kneeling and off hand. Talk to someone who hunts hogs in your area if possible.

        Good luck.

        “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

        by ban nock on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 06:16:28 AM PST

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        •  I don't own a gun so I'd have to rent one (3+ / 0-)
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          and I'd rent or borrow a proper rifle, something like one of those old Lee Enfield rifles with a big-ass bullet and a long barrel. I've got no interest in handgun hunting or that sort of thing. I'm a good shot - not fond of guns, but know how to shoot.  I'd never pull the trigger unless I was sure of the shot.  

          “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

          by ivorybill on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 06:29:23 AM PST

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        •  yeah, you do want a .30-ought or so for a hog (1+ / 0-)
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          altho my cross-the-street neighbor's favorite weapon is a slug in a shotgun.

          LBJ, Van Cliburn, Ike, Wendy Davis, Lady Bird, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

          by BlackSheep1 on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 02:19:25 PM PST

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        •  .30-30 ought to do it, eh? nt (0+ / 0-)

          Political compass: -8.75 / -4.72

          by Mark Mywurtz on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 06:35:04 PM PST

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      •  Good luck finding a place to go (3+ / 0-)
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        Everyone supposedly wants them gone, but ain't nobody gonna let you hunt for free and public land opportunities east of the Mississippi are scarce.  

        I have personally knocked on doors in Illinois for hunting access (not hogs)--not much success.  

        The biggest threat to the future of hunting recruitment, at least in the east, is access to places to go that aren't overrun.  

        Political compass: -8.75 / -4.72

        by Mark Mywurtz on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 06:34:19 PM PST

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        •  I grant access based on firearms seen. (2+ / 0-)
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          If you're showing up with a double, or a well-carried pump gun, and your Brittany?  Have a go.  There's signs marking the 300 ft from occupied structures sign.

          Same for your Marlin or Winchester lever-action.
          Ruger, T/C, NEF, Browning or Dakota single shot.
          I'll ask about your bolt action.  
          Tell me it's a heavy caliber super magnum, and out you go.
          I can guarantee a total lack of Rhino, Grizzly Bear and Cape Buffalo on-property.
          Same for the autoloaders.  Not risking it again... unless I've seen you with a muzzle loader, earlier in the season.

          There's two or three people I'd trust with a Remington, Winchester or Browning autoloader.
          Bang.  Dead deer.  Bang.  Second dead deer.

          Sadly, I have heard too much of this, to grant unfettered access:
          Bang. Bangbangbangbang.  
          No dead deer, just plenty of flying .30 cal bullets, which weren't really aimed.
          I'm not partial to those results.

    •  Hate to say it, but wild boar is some yum... (2+ / 0-)
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      I had a wild boar burger once...mannnnnnnnn...really good taste.

      Adequate health care should be a LEGAL RIGHT in the U.S without begging or bankruptcy. Until it is, we should not dare call our society civilized.

      by Love Me Slender on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 06:50:02 AM PST

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  •  random fact (3+ / 0-)
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    So you can have a squirrel taxidermied, but it costs more because they're so small it's a bit difficult.  If you've ever been to a Cabela's (sporting goods store), you may have noticed they have taxidermied animals set up throughout.  The squirrels however are just flash frozen (I think liquid nitrogen?) because they can batch freeze them for cheaper than performing taxidermy and they stay "fresh" for a few years.  The more you know....

  •  deer meat is excellent (3+ / 0-)
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    I like the little deer herd that lives at the end of my driveway. i just wish they'd stay out of the road. two got hit; we've been in our house five years and this is the first year there ever have been deer hit by our house.

    Dawkins is to atheism as Rand is to personal responsibility (not an original but rather apt)

    by terrypinder on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 05:13:43 AM PST

    •  I would do my best not to hit a deer (2+ / 0-)
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      but if I did, it would go into the freezer.  I know the reasons why taking fresh roadkill is prohibited in some states, but it seems more respectful of the animal to use it.

      “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

      by ivorybill on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 05:56:39 AM PST

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      •  it's allowed in PA (2+ / 0-)
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        the people who hit the deer did take them, at least.

        Dawkins is to atheism as Rand is to personal responsibility (not an original but rather apt)

        by terrypinder on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 06:00:00 AM PST

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      •  Here we have to purchase a road kill tag for ten (2+ / 0-)
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        dollars within two days of getting it. Might want to check with Fish and Wildlife in your state. I've butchered my share of road kills, if the gut sack is busted it can be some work.

        Coyotes can have the parts you don't want.

        “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

        by ban nock on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 06:19:49 AM PST

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      •  Agree. (0+ / 0-)

        A deer hit in the cold months around here doesn't stay there long.  I found a deer that had been severely injured by a vehicle late at night in November last year--a buck with broken legs, face injuries, and snapped off antlers, pretty bad shape and not much hope.  Felt terrible for him but there was no way he would survive in the wild.  I only had a 20 gauge in my trunk with #6 shells, so I wasn't going to end it's suffering with that--and I'm not stupid enough to attempt it with a knife like some people claim they've done.  Called the sheriff and they sent a deputy out with a rifle.  I waited by the deer until he arrived and by the time he got there, someone else had shown up and was hoping to utilize the deer after it was dispatched.  The deputy and I both gave him the nod, so there was a shot and it quickly ended up in the back of a pickup.  Really no good outcome to that situation, but appreciated that the guy who stopped wasn't going to let the animal go to waste.  (A deer carcass by the side of the road is a hazard for wolves, dogs, coyotes, eagles, ravens, crows, magpies, and anything else that might be attracted to a roadside to scavenge the meat.)

        Political compass: -8.75 / -4.72

        by Mark Mywurtz on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 06:49:17 PM PST

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  •  1. Economy was down. (4+ / 0-)
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      Got lots of already paid for ammo, upland birds and rabbit hunting 15min. from the house, makes a nice supplement to the grocery store. Just over a hour away for big game. And even if I don't bag anything, its a good way to spend time with my sons.

    "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." T. Roosevelt

    by Lowgun on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 05:17:59 AM PST

  •  In our area it's about 90% #1. (7+ / 0-)

    Hunting Bambi seems much more appealing when your wages are flat or you've lost your job. Though I suspect that it's a net wash or a money loser when you factor in the cost of tags, weapons/ammo, boots/clothing and time spent.

    This helps explain why my exceedingly kind and gentle wife has spent considerably time in a foaming rage shooing unwelcome armed men off our (posted!) land this past few weeks.

    Actual quote from her last encounter last week:
    "Seriously?!?! You're trying to hide behind a tree? Dude, I can see you. You walked right past me. You're sticking out both sides. Come out right now or I'm calling the police and the game warden."

    You don't want my wife mad at you. Trust me.

    •  Maybe A Big Air Horn...... (2+ / 0-)
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      Just tell them "Hey you think there's any deer around here?" and blast the air horn a few times.

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      by bernardpliers on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 06:19:39 AM PST

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      •  Might not work. We're on 100 acres of prime... (3+ / 0-)
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        white tail/turkey habitat with a stream, forest, pastures and an old apple orchard. At this point the deer are so tame I could walk off the front porch and put a collar on one of them.

        Which is why the camo-clad guys in the 2-story pickup trucks get all twitchy when they drive past and see the deer standing nonchalantly in our front yard.

        •  Find Two Hunters You Trust (0+ / 0-)

          And let them hunt your land.  They'll be out there all the time, keeping an eye on stuff.

          Also talk to your local magistrate about your options.

          Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. -Pascal

          by bernardpliers on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 07:27:56 AM PST

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    •  My dad (0+ / 0-)

      actually had a stranger set up right on the edge of his yard to hunt deer last year.  He and I thought it was a friend of ours we had given permission to so he didn't go over and investigate, but when I talked to our friend he said, "I wasn't out there--must have been some other dude in orange."  Guy hasn't been back since.  

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      by Mark Mywurtz on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 06:53:20 PM PST

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      •  Happens all the time here. (1+ / 0-)
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        I could tell you stories all day long. The guys who indignantly told me "we've always hunted this land". Uh, no you haven't. I've lived here for 25 years and I've always had it posted. "We have the owner's permission". Uh, no you don't. I'm the owner and you didn't ask me, did you? "We're just meeting our friends over there". Uh, no you're not. That's my house, and trust me, your friends aren't there.

        The worst was still the idiot drawing down on a deer on our land from across the fence, sweeping his shotgun across our driveway and my wife and children coming down the driveway. My wife was so furious that (9 months pregnant) she waddled over to the cretin and raged on him until he retreated in shame, promising never to return.

  •  random thoughts on hunting (1+ / 0-)
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    when I was a kid in the late 50's early 60's living in Fairfield county CT I never saw a deer. I still remember seeing my first deer off in the distance in the woods near the appalachian trail upstate CT in 1971. Since then I've lived in Maine and I'm astonished about the deer situation in Fairfield county when I visit relatives. The highways are littered with rotting deer carcasses, people's landscaping and gardens are ruined or else they've had to put up expensive and ugly fences that don't always work. People are afraid to let their kids play outside because of the chance of lyme disease. People are getting injured and sometimes killed in deer car accidents. I have no proof but I blame this on lack of hunting. I know that housing density makes it difficult but I do think there could have been accommadations made for safety. Ironically the deer in the vast woods of Maine are less of a problem than in the suburbs of CT.

    I've tried hunting but I was not brought up with it and lack the patience. I spend a lot of time in the woods cutting my firewood so for me that removes the biggest lure for hunting. My son spent most of his time here inside and on the computer, indeed now he lives in NYC. He now loves nature but I regret that I couldn't convince him to go hunting with my native Mainer neighbors who are true hunters. One always took the entire month of November off and would only shoot his deer near the end of the season after watching and studying its habits. With him it was a traditional lifestyle, even spiritual ,rather than just an activity.

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    by daveygodigaditch on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 06:24:05 AM PST

    •  I'm afraid nothing will curb the whitetail (2+ / 0-)
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      population. Historically I found out that they were not that common prior to the great megafauna extinction around 10K years ago. When released from that predation there were no predators left that could really put a dent in them. Cats and wolves aren't effective. Humans prior to 1492 were the only thing that cut into their numbers.

      They are very good at reproducing and are generalists in their diet.

      “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

      by ban nock on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 07:32:15 AM PST

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      •  Forest fragmentation (0+ / 0-)

        has really been a driving force.  They don't do nearly as well in large tracts of contiguous forest as they do in forested areas broken up by development, logging, and agriculture.  

        Political compass: -8.75 / -4.72

        by Mark Mywurtz on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 06:55:17 PM PST

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  •  I wonder what that graph would look like if (1+ / 0-)
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    it contained three points? (10 years) 10 points? (50 years)

    I can make the arrow go any way I want by selecting the data interval.

    Graphs never go straight up or straight down. You can't scroll to the right, but scrolling to the left does give you the ability to change the slope of the arrow.

    Graphs are artistic selection of data to make a point.

    Why is it easier to buy a gun than it is to register to vote in most states?

    by 88kathy on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 07:14:11 AM PST

    •  Here are a link from 2010 that look at a longer (0+ / 0-)

      time period. The 'arrow' has a different slope.

      link
      But fewer hunters are involved in the sport each year. The United States Fish and Wildlife Service estimates that 33 states had declines in hunting license sales over the last two decades. The sharpest drop was in Massachusetts, where there has been a 50 percent falloff in hunting license sales during that time.
      Still the same points you make only in reverse.
      “As paradoxical as it may seem, if hunting were to disappear, a large amount of the funding that goes to restore all sorts of wildlife habitat, game and nongame species alike, would disappear,” said Steve Sanetti, the president of the National Shooting Sports Foundation.

      Why is it easier to buy a gun than it is to register to vote in most states?

      by 88kathy on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 07:32:04 AM PST

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      •  might want to check with the Southern Baptists for (1+ / 0-)
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        abortion info as the NYT on hunting.

        They start 4 years ago (or more no link to data) and look back. We're looking at last year and looking back 5 years.

        “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

        by ban nock on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 08:06:33 AM PST

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    •  If you go looking at the first link you can find (2+ / 0-)
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      what you are looking for. You have to look carefully to see the downturn over the past 60 years and the more recent uptick. As a percent of population would show it better but I didn't see those.

      “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

      by ban nock on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 07:34:22 AM PST

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      •  The article I linked to also mentioned the (1+ / 0-)
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        disappearance of hunting land. As farms and large tracts of forest are turned into subdivisions hunting loses what can never return.  

        And no small thing. I think the hunters protecting the sloppy gun handlers (recall in Colorado) is a big mistake. I think the hunters are completely on the wrong side of this issue. In my opinion hunters should be at the forefront. They are the experts. They have vested interest. I think out of control guns will speed the demise of hunting as collateral damage.

        Why is it easier to buy a gun than it is to register to vote in most states?

        by 88kathy on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 08:00:18 AM PST

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        •  because we understand the issue and our fellow (2+ / 0-)
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          gun owners so well that's why we are on their side of the issue. Mostly gun owners are very very safe, we know that because we see them at the range and because 90% of our friends that own guns don't hunt.

          There's this tiny place down in big cities where we never go where people shoot each other all the time. Regrettable but has little to do with us or the people we know who have guns.

          “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

          by ban nock on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 08:09:49 AM PST

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          •  I agree with both of you (1+ / 0-)
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            88k is right--we are losing hunting areas to development at an alarming rate.  She's also right that hunters should expect impeccable gun handling within our ranks and not tolerate reckless or discourteous use of firearms.  

            bn is right that most gun owners handle their firearms extremely safely.  I'm about as anal about gun safety as it gets and I have personally had other hunters correct me on small safety habits that I wasn't aware of.  I have also pointed out firearm handling mistakes to newer hunters.    

            Political compass: -8.75 / -4.72

            by Mark Mywurtz on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 07:04:26 PM PST

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  •  Watching some of those Alaska reality TV (2+ / 0-)
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    shows, especially Buy Alaska, looks like plenty of people are just looking live off the grid (i.e., running wheel), including the store-bought food grid. Hunting and fishing can substitute for a lot of hours working. It can take a lot of time to harvest enough to survive in the long run, but if you like the life...

    The harsh part about so many of the places in Alaska away from the cities is they are "dry" (i.e., no running water). Getting a regular supply of water in the winter can mean going down to the nearest lake and drilling with an auger on a routine basis.

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    When the rich have tripled their share of the income and wealth yet again, Republicans will still blame the poor and 3rd Way Democrats will still negotiate.

    by Words In Action on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 07:29:20 AM PST

  •  in economic hard times, pier fishing certainly (2+ / 0-)
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    increases in port cities

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    by annieli on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 08:40:50 AM PST

  •  Related to foodies, but not exactly the same (0+ / 0-)

    Did they lump the local food movement and interest in humane meat into "foodies"?  I think of foodies as being interested in gourmet cooking/eating, which is a little different.  

    I expect hunting to increase in popularity as people become more and more disturbed by industrial meat production and look for alternatives besides vegetarianism.  I know that's a big driver for me--I've almost completely cut out grocery store meat from my diet opting for fish and game, meat from local farmers, and just generally less meat overall.  

    I think that could be one fallacy about hunters--that they eat more meat than everyone else.  I suspect in many cases--at least the hunters I hang with--that it could be just the opposite as they tend to not be the same people who buy gas station burritos and Big Macs.  I consider a serving of venison or duck to be a treat, rather than a pile of meat as the basis of every meal.  

    Political compass: -8.75 / -4.72

    by Mark Mywurtz on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 05:53:25 PM PST

  •  Did any of the surveys mention (0+ / 0-)

    the effects of reality shows based on hunting?  I'm thinking Duck Dynasty, Driven TV, etc...shows that are basically just "MTV Real World" with stereotypical rednecks?  I'm not sure that hunter recruitment coming from the Duck Dipshits is really helpful to hunting overall, but I'm sure it's a factor in the increase.  

    Political compass: -8.75 / -4.72

    by Mark Mywurtz on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 05:58:01 PM PST

  •  I see no point in States encouraging hunting (0+ / 0-)

    Why should they? Unless there are surplus populations not responding to natural forces, it doesn't make sense I can see. Anyone?

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