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A senior House Republican emerges from a closed door meeting of his conference and declares his optimism that a deal is at hand ...
Rep. Paul Ryan and Sen. Patty Murray are close to a budget agreement that would set spending levels for two years and reorganize budget cuts set to take hold in 2014.

Ryan (R-Wis.) briefed House Republican leadership on the legislation Tuesday afternoon and when he emerged, he said an accord was close.

“We’re making really good progress, we’re getting close, don’t have a timeline for you as of yet,” Ryan said as he exited the leadership meeting in the Capitol.

... and you say to yourself, gee, where have we heard this before? Isn't this what Republicans always say right before things fall apart? And you'd be right to say that, but this time things might be a little different, even though right-wingers like Heritage Action are on the attack against the deal even before its details have been unveiled. The reason: Republicans would have to be insane to force another fiscal crisis so soon after the shutdown.

Then again, the shutdown itself was quite insane. You'd like to think they learned their lesson, but any party capable of inflicting such damage on itself and the country is certainly capable of doing it again. So maybe things won't be different after all.

Whatever happens, it appears that the Murray-Ryan deal as it now stands would increase spending by about $45 billion over sequester levels, but would nonetheless be $45 billion less than the Senate budget. That's a win for Dems, but not a complete win—and it leaves a very important priority out of the equation: extending emergency unemployment benefits.

Emergency unemployment benefits could still be extended as part of a separate deal, so if Dems don't draw a line in the sand on them as part of the budget deal, they'll still have an obligation to continue fighting for it—as will President Obama. They really should deal with unemployment benefits now, but if they don't, the fight doesn't end.

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Tell your member of Congress: Don't cut emergency unemployment benefits

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  •  If businesses don't want to pay taxes (6+ / 0-)

    to support unemployment benefits, they could actually... you know... hire people.

    29, white male, TX-07 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

    by TDDVandy on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 01:25:06 PM PST

    •  If they don't want to pay taxes (5+ / 0-)
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      CwV, Wildfaery, JoeEngineer, TDDVandy, Matt Z

      they should get the fuck out of our country. We'll start new businesses that treat our people with some decency.

      I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 01:45:59 PM PST

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  •  Just what we need in Congress - more (1+ / 0-)
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    opportunities to continue fighting.

    Sigh.

    These people are tiresome.

  •  Anybody else worried about this deal? (7+ / 0-)

    I have a feeling that Obama wouldn't veto a budget passed by the Senate, and not sure if Ryan could set aside his hate for entitlement programs in order to not be shelled by the extreme right for accepting revenue increases.

    While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

    by GoGoGoEverton on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 01:30:56 PM PST

    •  It seems too good to be true (3+ / 0-)
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      this is coming from republicans, and they're not demanding forced ultrasounds or insisting that insurance not cover contraceptives? No amendment to repeal Obamacare? No firing of public sector employees? No spending reductions????

      I'm not saying it's good, but it's comparatively excellent given all recent proposals from this party. Apparently the refusals to give in over the shutdown actually worked.

      What do they want in exchange for extending unemployment benefits? I'm suspicious.

      Is fheàrr fheuchainn na bhith san dùil

      by bull8807 on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 01:42:23 PM PST

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      •  Social Security cuts? (2+ / 0-)
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        I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 01:46:36 PM PST

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        •  not that I see or are aware of. I am in touch with (0+ / 0-)

          Patty Murray alot via e-mail and I am quite sure that I will be reached out too when a deal is at hand and we know exactly what is in it.

          •  Well, it'll probably be either unemployment (0+ / 0-)

            insurance, Social Security cuts, or both.

            Paul Ryan couldn't get his budget passed the normal way, so he's doing it through the sequester and a series of deliberately induced fiscal crises.

            I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

            by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 02:10:54 PM PST

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  •  Let me guess, $40B for Defense and $5B... (5+ / 0-)

    ...for everything else?  No thanks.

    Oddly enough, there's no info in the link (or the link from the link) about the composition of that additional spending.  Which makes me assume it's all of nearly all for war.

    It's not the side effects of the cocaine/I'm thinking that it must be love

    by Rich in PA on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 01:32:34 PM PST

  •  Sounds like permanent "sequester" cuts (5+ / 0-)
    a budget agreement that would set spending levels for two years and reorganize budget cuts set to take hold in 2014
    but with military spending restored. So, just conservative cuts. Grover Norquist wins again.

    Hey leading Democrats: Government is good! The middle class and poor are stuck in ongoing recession. The government should be spending like a bastard. Federal debt doesn't matter now—pay it down when we're back to full employment. Say it out loud. Say it openly. Say it proudly.

    Green New Deal

    Government and laws are the agreement we all make to secure everyone's freedom.

    by Simplify on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 01:34:15 PM PST

  •  Basically, I'm not willing to accept shit with a (1+ / 0-)
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    smile, just because democrats have served it. Still, better than the alternative.

    As much as I can . . . "go team, yippie.  hurrah."  

    "Where some see a system for encouraging discussion . . . others see an echo chamber of bad grammar, unchecked stupidity, and constructive interference . . . " -- Ars Technica

    by Rikon Snow on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 01:35:36 PM PST

  •  This doesn't sound good at all (6+ / 0-)

      If Paul Ryan's happy, this "agreement" must be horrible indeed. The man lives to destroy Americans' lives.

     

    "Le ciel est bleu, l'enfer est rouge."

    by Buzzer on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 01:37:59 PM PST

    •  Spot on! I don't buy for a moment that Medicare (0+ / 0-)

      cuts are not included in this deal.

      Remember, Pelosi has defined "means testing" Medicare as NOT A CUT!

      Somehow she differentiates in an huge premium increase and out-of-pocket cost for the premium, as a "non-cut."

      Same with the Medigap Insurance "surcharge."

      And as far as Chained CPI goes--it was not included in the Social Security Section of Bowles-Simpson's proposal.

      It was viewed as a "technical change."  And it applies to all social transfer programs.

      So, they may basically intentionally deceitful regarding whether or not they are imposing any cuts on Social Security!  (just as Pelosi does with means-testing)

      If there is one that they may not enact this time--my guess if that it might be the Chained CPI.

      But I doubt it.

      It has long been considered the "low hanging fruit" because both parties are dying to enact this.

      Here's a link to Jan Schakowsky's Reuters Op-Ed, "The Sham of Simpson-Bowles":

      Not only is this likely to increase costs to middle-income families, it could threaten coverage altogether. The proposal for corporate tax reform would eliminate taxes on profits earned overseas, rewarding companies that move jobs offshore.

      Somehow, being willing to cut “entitlement” benefits has been called a “badge of courage” for those who purport to be serious about deficit reduction– despite the fact that Social Security has not contributed one thin dime to the deficit.

      Under Simpson-Bowles, long-term solvency for Social Security is achieved mostly by cutting benefits. Seventy-five years out, the ratio of spending cuts to revenue increases is 4 to 1.

      They propose raising the age of full Social Security benefits to 69 – claiming that everyone is living longer. But a sizable percentage of Americans, mostly lower-income workers, especially women, are actually living shorter lives, and a large chunk of other Americans just can’t work that long – even if they can find a job. Their plan cuts benefits for current and future retirees by reducing the cost-of-living adjustment.

      For future retirees, all these changes taken together would reduce the average annual benefit for middle-income workers – those with annual earnings of $43,000 to $69,000 – by up to 35 percent.

      Simpson-Bowles also targets Medicare and Medicaid – though the real problem is rising healthcare costs across the board.

      Yet it would cap them at arbitrary rates  and simply shift the growing costs to patients, providers and employers. To start, they would ask Medicare beneficiaries – seniors and disabled people – to pay $110 billion more out of pocket.

      I'll read this document (which won't be available except for about 1-2 days before the vote) with a "fine tooth comb."

      Count on cuts to the social safety net.

      That is what the entire Bowles-Simpson Catfood Commission (and this Budget Conference Committee) were set up to do!

      And if I'm wrong--I will glady "eat crow," LOL!

      And I mean GLADLY! ;-)

      [Very pushed--apologize in advance for typos, etc.]

      Mollie

      "Only he who can see the invisible, can do the impossible."-- Frank L. Gaines


      hiddennplainsight

      by musiccitymollie on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 01:58:10 PM PST

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  •  $45 b over sequester is a good start (1+ / 0-)
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    But we need more than that to safely keep our infrastructure -- our society -- from total collapse.

    Too bad the "both sides do it" US media will never spell this out.  One has to go to overseas media like The Guardian to read that sort of thing.

    Visit http://theuptake.org/ for Minnesota news as it happens.

    by Phoenix Woman on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 01:39:33 PM PST

  •  Why does every picture of Paul Ryan (1+ / 0-)
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    with serious!face make me think of Lucy and the football?

    Oh.

    Never mind...

    For real Texas Kaos, you want texaskaos.net, not .com. Before you win, you have to fight. Come fight along with us

    by boadicea on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 01:41:28 PM PST

  •  Still waiting.... (4+ / 0-)
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    ... to find out whether Dems have actually agreed to federal emplyee pension cuts -- and, if so, how big these will be.

    •  Oh, yes, those too. (2+ / 0-)
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      Forgot about those.

      So many wonderful ways in which they can screw us over.

      Chris, in general, is a good friend to federal employees, seeing as how his district is full of them and his parents, I believe, were both federal employees.

      Whether or not those considerations would influence Chris under these conditions is anybody's guess.

      As long as people can threaten to just stop everything and grind our economy to a halt if they don't get their way, we're in bat country.

      I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 01:49:36 PM PST

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    •  If they are still in there, (1+ / 0-)
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      look for MASSIVE retirements of federal workers next year.  Anyone retirement eligable and can afford to would be stupid to stay.

  •  Every picture I see of these four (4+ / 0-)
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    It's clear that nobody, but nobody actually likes Paul Ryan.

    I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

    by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 01:45:07 PM PST

    •  Yeah. The look on Sessions' face is priceless! (2+ / 0-)
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      "Are you fu(king kidding me, twerp?"

      If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

      by CwV on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 01:50:11 PM PST

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      •  I can't tell if Chris is looking with disgust (0+ / 0-)

        at Sessions or Ryan.

        In the last photo, his contempt was palpable. And that's from someone who rarely shows his feelings--especially negative ones. Cool as a cucumber, smooth-talking diplomat, is Chris--to get him pissed off is something of an accomplishment.

        I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 02:12:45 PM PST

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  •  Near A Deal (0+ / 0-)

    Everyday for the last two weeks, there have been in the media "we are near a deal stories." These people in Washington, DC can't get anything done in a responsible and timely manner.  I predict if they do reach a deal, it will not pass the Senate and House. There are too many ideological purists in Congress in both parties to really pass anything these days.  In the meantime, the Federal Government was closed today in Washington, DC because of a prediction of 3 to 6 inches of snow. In actuality, there was more like 1.5 to 2 inches of snow and it ended early in the day. Your tax dollars at work.

    •  It's interesting that for you (1+ / 0-)
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      apparently any deal is good b/c what matters is moving forward in a responsible and timely manner.

      I hope Chris refuses to agree to any deal that eliminates unemployment insurance, cuts Social Security or Medicare, or reduces the pensions of federal employees. None of those things is necessary or helpful to the United States in its current condition.

      I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 02:14:55 PM PST

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  •  When have the Nas-tea partiers (0+ / 0-)

    done anything sane? Their entire brand is about doing "crazy" because they love the Constitution so much, or they hate Obamacare, or whatever.  

  •  The Democrats should be demanding at (3+ / 0-)

    minimum $1 trillion in jobs programs.

    There is no existence without doubt.

    by Mark Lippman on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 02:01:04 PM PST

    •  Because that'll pass the house. Nt (2+ / 0-)
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      While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

      by GoGoGoEverton on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 02:03:57 PM PST

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      •  Step 1) Make a strong proposal, for more than (2+ / 0-)
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        what you actually want, preferably a popular one. 2)Publicize the hell out of it and have all your party operatives repeating the talking points that support it. 3)Make the Republicans respond to that demand in public. 4) If they won't bring it to the floor, grill them in the press as to why they won't create jobs for the American people. 5)If they do bring it to the floor and vote it down, grill them on that. In fact, run on that in 2014.

        That's called playing offense. Refusing to bring something up because the other party controls one House of Congress and won't give their votes in support of it is weak tea. Lameass crap. If you play the game like that, you don't want to win. Or, you're scared of something.

        I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 02:18:49 PM PST

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        •  This is a flipping budget negotiation. (0+ / 0-)

          All that stuff you wrote is great for a proposal to happen (and be immediately tabled in the House) in an independent format. As part of a budget negotiation is ridiculous...what other program that size has ever been proposed and passed exclusively in the confines of a federal budget negotiation during a sequester?

          'Not afraid' doesn't mean that you're not also naive.

          While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

          by GoGoGoEverton on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 02:26:30 PM PST

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      •  You can't even propose it because the opposition (0+ / 0-)

        won't allow it.

        Do you have any idea how weak and pitiful that is?  I suppose you'd prefer to meekly ask what crumbs the other side would allow you to have out of their generosity. Or don't even ask. Just let them decide for you.

        There is no existence without doubt.

        by Mark Lippman on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 04:03:33 PM PST

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  •  The real problem here: (0+ / 0-)

    If the Mafia comes by your place of business, and says "Nice little business you got here, sure would be a shame if something happened to it, like maybe getting destroyed in a fire with everybody inside" that's not the beginning of an actual negotiation.

    As long as Ryan et al hold the threat of shutting down the whole government, they have a threat they can hold over the American economy. And as long as they have a threat they can hold over the American economy--being able to make it lose billions--they have a knife to the throat of the United States. And that's not a basis for any real negotiation. Unless the Democrats are a)unified in opposition to them, and 2)have a real and potent counterthreat they can make.

    Conclusion:  this isn't a real negotiation. Second conclusion: you're unlikely to get any kind of good "deal" if you begin with Mafia-style threats.

    I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

    by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 02:24:04 PM PST

  •  I don't like Patty Murray's body language (0+ / 0-)

    Chris looks like he might still be fighting. She looks cowed.

    I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

    by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 02:25:37 PM PST

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