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If The Huffington Post ever posts another story about the NSA invading our privacy, they are the biggest hypocrites since Sara Palin and Rush Limbaugh.

In 2005, I joined the Huffington Post. I found it to be one of the few progressive sites on the internet at the time that not only published "the news of the day" but gave readers like myself the chance to "chime in" with their take on the story. They had a wonderful interface that not only allowed me to track my comments but keep up with the debate in pretty much real time. Whenever someone replied to a comment I'd made, I'd get an email telling me so. That came in handy because I don't have my nose pointed at my computer all day and appreciated the opportunity to refute the corrosive propaganda coming out of the right wing noise machine.  As time went on, more and more people joined the fray and it became "debate central" for me. I was astounded that right wingers would try to post blatant lies in the comments but, being one who doesn't shy away from a challenge, I went right after the "republicants", as I coined them. I called them out and made them back up whatever baloney they were serving. Although I had almost a thousand fans when I left, I never tried to say what was popular but what I truly felt and believed. I know it sounds corny but I felt honored that people liked what I had to say and I always tried to stick to my convictions and leave my emotions out of the equation. I criticized Obama, Reid, Pelosi and the "Blue Dogs" with the same vigor I saved for McConnell, Boehner and ‘ol Rush. I’ve always felt Obama was a phony who campaigns as a populist but governs as a corporatist. I think Howard Dean would be a better president for this country than Hillary Clinton. I also think Elizabeth Warren is one of the few truly honest people we have in Washington.

A few months ago the Huffington Post made it mandatory that new users would have to join Facebook in order to post comments but assured us established users that we would be grandfathered in and would be left alone. Now yesterday, without any warning at all, they made it mandatory for all users to join Facebook in order to comment. I have a problem with Facebook. I value my privacy while Facebook makes a living off of it. I will never, ever join Facebook. Period.

Ever since the Snowden story broke, the Huffington Post has been running screaming headlines about how the NSA is invading our right to privacy. Now, they're handing their users over to the one entity designed to take what's left of our privacy and sell it to the highest bidder. If that's what you think of the people who stood by you and defended you and your values, Arianna, then ** you. You betrayed us. You are just as much of a hypocrite as Sarah Palin and as big of liar as Limbaugh. I won't even give your site a view. I know it won't matter to you just as I know Wal-Mart doesn't miss me either. But, you see, I have convictions that I adhere to. The Huffington Post evidently does not.

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  •  What's That About a Better Mousetrap? (4+ / 0-)
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    SparkyGump, blueoasis, Dumbo, Portlaw

    It seems to me that if somebody came up with a site that acts in a similar way to Facebook but actually respected privacy it would take off and leave Facebook in the dust.

    Then again I've never gotten the whole obsession with Facebook.

    “I believe all Southern liberals come from the same starting point--race. Once you figure out they are lying to you about race, you start to question everything.” ― Molly Ivins

    by RoIn on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 06:35:22 PM PST

    •  I always figured it was a generational thing. (7+ / 0-)

      The very idea of broadcasting the details of my life escapes me.  

      •  A Friend Of Mine Once Dismissed Facebook... (10+ / 0-) saying "I like my friends but I really don't care what they had for lunch."

        “I believe all Southern liberals come from the same starting point--race. Once you figure out they are lying to you about race, you start to question everything.” ― Molly Ivins

        by RoIn on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 06:41:22 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  You criticized Obama and Reid and Pelosi with (1+ / 0-)
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        the same vigor I saved for McConnell, Boehner and ‘ol Rush.
        Sure, Obama and Reid, and Pelosi deserve the wrath of the people just as racist Rush Limbaugh and McConnell, whose main agenda is to destroy the nation in an effort to destroy the black guy President... I mean, let's view them equally, because, really, what's the difference?

        And you feel Obama is a corporatist phony.... I actually think that's a leg up after you declared him to being deserving of your venom as Rush and McConnell....

        You also opened your diary by saying this:

        I joined the Huffington Post. I found it to be one of the few progressive sites on the internet
        I was going to break out with the fake laugh...but that statement is too sad even for a fake laugh.

        Now you feel that the Breitbart/HuffPo is not such a nice "progressive" site after all.... Aww, say it isn't so....

        Did someone over at the Breitbart/Huffpo say mean things to you?

        All of a sudden, after going after Obama like you did Rush Limbaugh and after being one of the strident anti-Obama, Pelosi, Reid voices, collecting a thousand fans for your efforts, you don't like em anymore....

        I feel your pain....

    •  Rule One (7+ / 0-)

      NEVER join Facebook.

      Rule Two - See Rule One

      I LOVE Charlie Pierce's Esquire Politics Blog as many here know because I post some of his best quips here whenever I can, but despite constant pleading, Esquire refuses to offer ANY comment option for his blog but Facebook.  

      A couple of times they seemed to be tinkering with Disqus and perhaps GMail links as comment options, but those very quickly disappeared.  I have written directly to the editors, reminding them that not everybody uses Facebook and there are many amongst us who will not do so even if dragged across hot coals by our tongues......

      but so far, FBook is the only game in town and in far too many places.  Facebook is a giant marketing vacuum and anyone who uses it is the lint.

      Free markets would be a great idea, if markets were actually free.

      by dweb8231 on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 06:57:13 PM PST

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      •  Picture the audience in the Colbert Report (0+ / 0-)

        applauding your comment. Spot on.

        •  ...and just to liven up the joint.... (1+ / 0-)
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          here's a really tasty piece of Charlie, talking about one of his absolute favorite people.

          First, I leave it to you, in reading the following paragraph to figure out who is shouldn't be all that hard, especially the really obvious use of the run-on sentence:

          "If you lose that foundation, John Adams was implicitly warning us, then we will not follow our constitution, there will be no reason to follow our constitution because it is a moral and religious people who understand that there is something greater than self, we are to live selflessly, and we are to be held accountable by our creator, so that is what our constitution is based on, so those revisionists, those in the lamestream media, especially, who would want to ignore what our founders actually thought, felt and wrote about in our charters of liberty - well, that's why I call them the lamestream media."
          Charlie's response:

          Princess Dumbass of the Northwoods would like to thank the local fire and rescue people for using the Jaws Of Life to extricate her from that sentence.

          Free markets would be a great idea, if markets were actually free.

          by dweb8231 on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 08:30:11 PM PST

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          •  It makes me want to check out Esquire! (0+ / 0-)

            I commit the run on sentence error too much but not as much as Palin. I'm not sure she knows much past 6th grade grammar.

            •  Palin's methodology for answering questions... (1+ / 0-)
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              is endlessly fascinating.....her brain is loaded with empty catch phrases and once she opens her mouth, they all come pouring out as she frantically searches for connectives, runs out of oxygen and unloads a period.

              I heard a recording of a talk she did in California a couple of years ago.  The group inviting her reportedly paid her something like $200,000 and in return got about 20 minutes of gaseous platitudes that would have earned a D- in any seventh grade speech class.  

              Oh....and she also insisted on having a supply of bendy straws.

              Free markets would be a great idea, if markets were actually free.

              by dweb8231 on Thu Dec 12, 2013 at 08:08:23 AM PST

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    •  HuffPost goes "corporate" (2+ / 0-)
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      SparkyGump, Duchessfeathers

      It's astonishing the HP now requires commenters to link to their presumed Facebook account.

      We know that HP is using the "accountability and responsibility" meme to sell your private data to other holders of marketing databases.

      This is a terrible PR move for HP, and what I don't understand is why they don't know it themselves. Why piss off a huge slab of your current customer base if it weren't for a monetary upside in the medium term?

      I won't be asking for the privilege of posting to HP by giving up information to marketers who contract with HP.

      This, folks, is what's becoming of the internet. It's all about the money.  

      ... all of the middlemen. So many...

  •  Yeah, that's the same. (1+ / 0-)
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    Kane in CA

    Governments surveilling the Internet, websites requiring a Facebook account to post comments--there's no difference.

  •  Huffpo refuseniks (6+ / 0-)

    Likewise, I have been gagged by Huffpost, soon to "pull the trigger" on my account.
    Promises were made, promises were broken.

    I know where to look it up

    by Undsoweiter on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 06:37:16 PM PST

  •  A 'Rant' tag ? (0+ / 0-)
  •  Yep. Buh bye, HuffPo. (6+ / 0-)

    "Never wrestle with a pig: you get dirty and the pig enjoys it"

    by GrumpyOldGeek on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 06:44:43 PM PST

  •  Saw a Notice On Imageshack That Anonymous (1+ / 0-)
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    uploading was about to be disabled.

    So I deleted all my pix.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 06:45:14 PM PST

  •  The Sideboob Post (3+ / 0-)
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    SparkyGump, JeffW, FiredUpInCA

    Ran endless stories about not working -- Comment section doesn't work.

    President Obama has the amazing ability to humiliate his biggest critics, on the right and the left.

    by NoFortunateSon on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 06:50:35 PM PST

  •  If you're that gung ho, make a fake (0+ / 0-)

    facebook account and post through a proxy or through Tor.

  •  Huffington Post Hypocricy (1+ / 0-)
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    That's like when Ariana Huffington has a nip slip and HuffPo doesn't cover it.

    This aggression will not stand, man.

    by kaleidescope on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 07:08:10 PM PST

  •  They really jumped a shark this time (9+ / 0-)

    Not jumped "the" shark because HuffPo has been get away with shark jumping for a long time.  The site has been getting worse.  This shark is another one. But this one takes the cake.  Other sites allow you to use Facebook as your credential.  But requiring it guarantees that the comment threads will be stupid.

    But then they are by now probably more concerned about Kim Kardashian's lunch than real news.

    HuffPo is part of AOL.  I wonder if they're trying to sell out to Facebook.

  •  Was going to post a comment today (8+ / 0-)

    I saw their main headline "Shock: The Universe Could be a Hologram".

    I sighed and figured I'd leave a comment explaining why this headline completely misunderstood what the hell is meant by a hologram in this context.

    But now it seems Huffpo wants me to tie my account to facebook even though I have no facebook account.

    This is the final straw.  Crap articles and misleading headlines and now this.  Farewell Huffingtonpost you won't be missed.

    "It was believed afterward that the man was a lunatic, because there was no sense in what he said." "The War Prayer" by Mark Twain

    by Quanta on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 07:17:28 PM PST

  •  Lately, HuffPo was getting (2+ / 0-)
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    SparkyGump, WinstonsMyDog

    Much more trashy with "sensational"/rag headlines.

    yesterday was the last straw for me as well. As many have said, we have FB accounts ( I do for getting union activity information, period) which are meant to be separate from our political "life". I enjoyed having good conversations about lots of topics on HP.

    but, the quality of reporting and stories was dropping as quickly as the number of junk comments increased.

    Suddenly, yesterday, it has become a virtual ghost town.

    Buh bye HP.

    I'll stop in in a month or so to see how your ad revenue is doing.

    I should thank them really. This has forced me to find some actual DECENT news websites to peruse.

    I am an Elizabeth Warren Democrat

    by karma13612 on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 07:44:17 PM PST

  •  I deleted my Facebook account (2+ / 0-)
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    SparkyGump, WinstonsMyDog

    The stuff about how they are increasingly using your posts, likes, and personal info for advertising purposes did it for me.  They are taking posts and likes from your friends and showing them high up in your feed based on whether they are getting paid.  

    There really should be a nonprofit alternative to facebook.  Not that I was using it for much, anyway.  

  •  ESPN has done this also. I do not have a facebook (1+ / 0-)
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    account, although (for full disclosure) my wife does, which allows me to play fantasy football with my coworkers.  I will saw that since they went to this rule (must have facebook account) the comments section has cleaned up considerably.  Prior to the rule, there were so many racist, sexists, homophobic, etc. comments.  Now that the facebook names appear on the comment, people (for the most part) have stopped with the hateful, immature crap.  While I am not a fan of people being forced onto facebook to participate, I do see a benefit to people posting under their own names.  Most places are not like Dkos where, for the most part, types of bigotry are unacceptable and quickly censored.  ESPN comments were horrible and they could not keep up with deleting every unacceptable comment.  I often thought of younger kids who's parents might not realize what could be read on So I see this as a benefit. And, without trying to cause a fight, if you sign up and participate on the internet, I really don't think one should expect much in the way of privacy.  Please don't confuse this comment with accepting NSA spying.  But I think it is, at best, naïve to believe anyone participating in the social media universe has any rights to privacy.  If an employer, credit card company, or any number of other institutions can access your information, worrying about the government seems silly. The fact that the internet can't be "controlled", means to me that anything I put out there has the potential to be seen an attached back to me. And as more employers and colleges continue to ask for access to peoples social media participation and passwords, I would urge people to use caution when participating.

  •  They can take their data mining, cash grab (2+ / 0-)
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    SparkyGump, Darth Stateworker

    and shove it right up their asses.

    As Smotpoker I posted over 13k comments, had over 2040 fans since Feb of 2011. I was Snarkyone prior to that having over 1500 fans with damn near as many comments, but I had to rebuild as Smotpoker after their last threat of privacy invasion that they backed away from only to renege on their word. That's a lot of time, a lot of effort into posting sometimes thoughtful, sometimes snarky, and yeah sometimes down right mean comments to those I felt needing a taking down.

    Total Comments: 13263
    Comments to News: 12751
    Comments to Blogs: 512
    Friends: 1942
    Fans: 1960
    Following: 136

    Since their big Art Modell act yesterday (It felt to me like they had packed up in the middle of the night and moved away to Belize) HP has become a ghost town. Articles that would normally get thousands or ten thousand comments are lucky to a few hundred. The biggest, and most happening thread is this one:

    Guess what 99% of the people on that thread are doing? Yep, lamenting the betrayal, and saying their final goodbyes before riding into the sunset. it's kind of weird to see, I've never seen an internet site commit suicide before.

    Those that are posting are primarily fairly new users, and the right wing echo chamber is in full throttle on a few threads with no LW top commenters left to bring facts into the discussion. It would be funny if it wasn't so damn sad.

    Am I bitter? Perhaps a bit. I had many people that I interacted on the site with that I thoroughly enjoyed, others not so much. Am I disappointed? Oh, fuck yes. I am very disappointed that HP doesn't believe in standing behind their words. I am sorely disappointed that it has once again become about MONEY rather than INFORMATION, and NEWS.

    I take comfort in seeing them quickly dissolve into a ghost town. They have been going more towards the tabloid trash direction lately anyway so perhaps it's best that it's best days are behind it.

    Fuck em.

    There are no profits in ensuring human rights so don't expect your government to do so.

    by The Green Nugget on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 09:06:50 PM PST

    •  I think we were fans, dude. Excellent post. (0+ / 0-)

      My new home for politics is here now. I used to post on BC Bud's site a while ago but just went over to Rollitup. Do you go to any of those sites?

      •  Yep, been to both of them. (2+ / 0-)
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        SparkyGump, hjalmar

        Haven't really spent a lot of time on them, except for rollitup when I was researching the process of making concentrates. Good to see you here.

        The numbers mean very little to me, I miss the connection with like minded people. Dkos is OK, a bit clannish for my taste, and I don't fully agree with their vision of wanting better Democrats rather than calling out current fake D's, but whatever, it isn't that big of a deal to me, you take the likes with the dislikes and you either make the best of it or you move on.

        There are no profits in ensuring human rights so don't expect your government to do so.

        by The Green Nugget on Thu Dec 12, 2013 at 09:01:52 AM PST

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        •  It's not concentrates but check out the (0+ / 0-)

          Magical Butter. It helps you make some awesome infused butters, oils and tinctures! I love the thing. I made some awsesome olive oil with it. Next stop butter! .

          Peace, SG

    •  Smotpoker, I remember your moniker, but don't... (0+ / 0-)

      ...think we had (m)any exchanges. I thought I'd post the same data you did:

       Total Comments: 3955

          Comments to News: 3779
          Comments to Blogs: 176


          Friends: 1142
          Fans: 1156
          Following: 5

       I posted as hjalmar, as I will here. GL & peace.

  •  I just went to verify (1+ / 0-)
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    and yes, indeed, it requires a Facebook account.

    So, why not create a specific FB account to only post on HP?

    I don't have Facebook. I deleted my account three years go and haven't looked back.

    I'm living in America, and in America you're on your own. America's not a country. It's just a business.

    by CFAmick on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 09:29:30 PM PST

  •  The Science of Reader Comments (1+ / 0-)
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    Conventional wisdom says that trolls and spam are but flotsam and jetsam, easily ignored by the rest of us. The angrier or more absurd the comment, the less important it is to the story or conversation.

    But the reality is something wholly other. According to recent studies, comments that cajole and belittle can actually change a reader’s perception of an article he or she has just read. A story may offer scientific proof of something that is easily understood, but a few vitriolic comments can skew or undermine the story’s meaning for the reader.

    Popular Science Magazine cites this fact in a piece announcing their decision to discontinue reader comments on their website. You can read it here:

    I found the explanation fascinating, especially when considering the ramifications these insights may have for marketing and public relations. More importantly, I found myself scrolling to the bottom of the piece to find out what other readers thought of it.

  •  Specifically, you have to have a "verified" (2+ / 0-)
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    SparkyGump, hjalmar

    Facebook account, not just any old Facebook account. To get a verified FB account, you have to provide Facebook with all your details INCLUDING YOUR CELLPHONE NUMBER.
       I can't imagine why anybody would do that.
       Some people have told me that they'll use "burner" phone numbers, but it really isn't worth that much effort.

  •  Agree completely. I left yesterday, after 5 years. (0+ / 0-)

    I'm still trying to figure out what HP's commercial interest is in forcing all of its members to open Facebook accounts and connect HP to them. I enjoyed the debates. But I'm not a professional writer, and I do not wish to risk my personal life somehow -- even accidentally -- becoming accessible to strangers or businesses.

    Liberal Christian / Lousy at litmus tests

    by VirginiaJeff on Thu Dec 12, 2013 at 02:40:50 PM PST

    •  It's about money. (1+ / 0-)
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      HP's excuse that this will somehow improve civility doesn't pass muster.

      My suspicion is that HP is trying to get access to your friends and connections on FB so they can target them with advertising and increase their revenues.  It isn't about civility.  It's about money.

  •  Huffpo/Facebook (0+ / 0-)

    I am very much NOT a Facebooker so will reluctantly surrender my ability to post on HuffPo. I noticed my 'friends' shrunk from about 1200 to 1150 over last 2 days. There was a similar flight when AOL bought HP a few yrs back. Frankly, the only reason I hung around was their advanced comment/reply features, but the new format was troublesome, and now Facebook?! Yuk! Adios HP, hello Daily Kos!

  •  Don't even visit HP (0+ / 0-)

    I don't think it's enough to simply cancel one's account.  We have to stop going to the site at all.  If HP's page visits drop dramatically (and, I think they will), that's the only way this policy will change.  After all, it's mostly an aggregate site.  So, you can get the stories from other sources.  The one thing it offered was a convenience of getting the info from one site instead of many.  But the convenience isn't worth the invasion of privacy HP is now trying to pursue.

    In the meantime, just stay away from HP all together.  Make their page visits drop.  As a result, their ad revenues will drop. The policy will change or HP will go out of business.

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