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Michael Slezak at New Scientist interviewed mining executive Ian Dunlop, a former oil, gas and coal industry executive and ex-chair of the Australian Coal Association. Dunlop now directs Safe Climate Australia. In November, he ran on a climate change ticket for a board seat on the Melbourne-based mining and petroleum multinational BHP Billiton. An excerpt:

Michael Slezak: You now champion a low-carbon economy. Why do you want a seat on the board of BHP, the world's biggest mining company?

Ian Dunlop: If I got on it, I would hope to spark a much more extensive discussion on climate issues. We need emergency action if we are going to stop the worst outcomes of climate change becoming a reality. Corporations have been waiting for government to develop the right policies. But it has become clear that governments are never going to provide that leadership, so if we want to see serious action then business is going to have to lead it.

Slezak: Why should businesses take the lead?

Dunlop: It is in their own interest. If you look at the science, we are headed for a world, on current policies, where temperatures will go up by at least 4 °C by the end of the century. Business in that world is not possible. The potential damage to shareholder value is huge.

Slezak: You got 4 per cent of the vote, far off what's needed for a BHP board seat. Is that a failure?

Dunlop: The board was against my appointment, so I needed investors to give me sufficient votes to countermand that. A lot of them were supportive but didn't want to appear to lack confidence in the existing board. But this is just the beginning. I will try again. So no, I don't regard it as a failure.

Slezak: What should companies such as BHP do?

Dunlop: First, stop investments in thermal coal and then phase it out completely. But in Australia, we are talking of doubling coal exports in 10 to 15 years and quadrupling oil and gas exports. It is suicidal.

 Slezak: How might such a change work in practice?

Dunlop:It is not a question of divesting these resources. That solves nothing from an environmental point of view. You have to leave them in the ground.[…]

Slezak: Why is it so hard for businesses to change?

Dunlop: Climate change, for both the company and most big industries, is still what they call an ESG issue—environmental, social and governance—which has become a focus in the last 10 years or so. But ESG issues are second-order priorities compared with the top-order priority of shareholder value. And people see shareholder value as some magical thing independent of climate change. To me this has always been a big mistake.


Blast from the Past. At Daily Kos on this date in 2006NY Times Self-Censorship, AKA "the President's Press":

Whether Bush's secret order to eavesdrop on Americans constitutes an impeachable offense is debatable. Whether the New York Times has betrayed the American people is not.

The White House asked The New York Times not to publish this article, arguing that it could jeopardize continuing investigations and alert would-be terrorists that they might be under scrutiny. After meeting with senior administration officials to hear their concerns, the newspaper delayed publication for a year to conduct additional reporting. Some information that administration officials argued could be useful to terrorists has been omitted.

Let's get this straight. The NY Times has this story which, as it reports, has been confirmed by a dozen officials.  It possibly had this information prior to the election.  And when the White House asks pretty please can you not let the American people know we're destroying their civil rights, the NY Times says "sure"? Because, you know, Americans don't need to be informed as they go to the polls. Better to keep them ignorant and scared--and Republican.

The NY Times and the White House yank out the tired "national security" excuse for delaying the article's publication.  But does disclosing the fact the government is spying on its citizens really tip off terrorists?


Tweet of the Day:

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On today's Kagro in the Morning show, Ron Fournier's upset again. And this time, if you agree it's "both sides," then you're an O-bot! GW Bridge scandal continues to roil, sort of, for Chris Christie. An extended look at the year-end review of GunFAIL, particularly accidental shootings of kids. Reports out of Florida say 4 in 10 people treated at hospitals for gunshot wounds were the victims of GunFAIL episodes, about double the national rate. And fatal GunFAILs there quadrupled in 2012! Plus, an expansive reading of Joan Walsh's "Poverty nation: How America created a low-wage work swamp."


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  •  989,740 registered users on dKos now. (14+ / 0-)

    Here are the 10 newest registered users on dKos.  Hope to see their comments and diaries here soon!  (If they're not spammers.)

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  •  Asshole libertarian Peter Schiff... (8+ / 0-)

    thinks he's found the foolproof argument against raising wages for Walmart workers.  Can someone with a better grasp of economics than me explain why Schiff is full of shit?  (Yes, this video is being shared around libertarian circles.)

    •  Lie Lie. Labor Is Not 100% of the Cost of Goods. (15+ / 0-)

      Believe it or not, the raw materials and the shipping costs and the packaging and the business taxes and the stockholder profits and the management compensation and the utility costs of the store do not rise just because the worker pay is raised.

      If the store labor cost went up 15% MUCH LESS than 15% would be added to the costs of goods sold.

      I make things and sell them --and export worldwide-- for a living. I actually do these calculations at least 4 times a year for taxes. You don't need to be an economist.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 08:47:40 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  The stench of libertarianism lies (15+ / 0-)

      Wal-Mart's "business plan" is to concomitantly exploit their workers and exploit American taxpayers, all to the benefit of Wal-Mart executives and the Walton family:

      At the heart of the issue is Wal-Mart employee’s demands for a living wage. A commonly cited figure is around $25,000, although this varies depending on local cost of living and what figures are used. To put that number in context, a study from June found that Wal-Mart workers in Massachusetts are forced to use government benefits like food stamps and Medicaid to top up their average salary. A similar report from California found that 44,000 employees rely on around $44 million worth of taxpayer money to get by. It’s thought that up to $1 billion is spent annually by states all across America to subsidize the lowest-paid Wal-Mart workers, according to ChangeWalmart, an advocacy group in support of Wal-Mart employees.

      (snip)

      Incidentally, it would take the average worker around 750 years to earn the $23.2 million that CEO Mike Duke earned in 2012, approximately 1,034 times more than the company’s average worker.

      So how much could Wal-Mart conceivably afford to pay?
      Stephen Gandel of CNN money recently calculated that Wal-Mart could afford to give its employees a 50 percent raise, to about $33,315, and still satisfy shareholders.

      Link.

      Meanwhile . . .

      America’s richest family, worth more than $100 billion, has exploited a variety of legal loopholes to avoid the estate tax, according to court records and Internal Revenue Service filings obtained through public-records requests. The Waltons’ example highlights how billionaires deftly bypass a tax intended to make sure that the nation’s wealthiest contribute their share to government rather than perpetuate dynastic wealth, a notion of fairness voiced by supporters of the estate tax like Warren Buffett and William Gates Sr.
      Link.

      No one needs to "raise prices" to ensure a decent living for Wal-Mart employees.  All that needs to be done is for the Walton family and all those running Wal-Mart to stop exploiting America and Americans for their private gain.

      Be sure you put your feet in the right place; then stand firm. ~ Abraham Lincoln

      by noweasels on Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 09:06:32 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Greedy, selfish, racist... (4+ / 0-)
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        Libertarians want people to believe that Somalia is a success story.

        “I would like to get rid of the homophobes, sexists, and racists in our audience. I know they're out there and it really bothers me.” ― Kurt Cobain

        by Jeff Y on Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 09:14:08 PM PST

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      •  Yes they do. and here is the the grade 10 math (0+ / 0-)

        to prove it.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/...

        Operating income    Increase US$ 27.801 billion

        Employees    2.2 million (2013

        Health care costs

        http://www.statisticbrain.com/...

        2010    $8,402 (per capital so NO family health insurance.

        Total health care costs per year 18 billion.
        + Family costs. ~5 Billion

        Needed Raise to make Walmart employees have a liviable wage. 5k a head. another 10 Billion

        So bare minimum to pay their employees a livable wage $33 billion > 27 Billion in operating profits.

        So yes Walmart can not afford to pay its employees a livable wage.

        •  Your 10th grade analysis has (2+ / 0-)
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          more than a few errors in it. Here are two: Walmart has around 1.4 million workers in the US; using a cost of all healthcare per capita that includes not only premiums,but also all deductibles,co-pays etc. but also includes populations (sicker,older etc.) that are not in Walmart's workforce.
          Here's hoping the days of the American taxpayer subsidizing Walmart's business model,aka GREED, are coming to an end. That Walton family should pull themselves up by their bootstraps and stop relying on government so much.

          "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

          by tardis10 on Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 11:55:42 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  You cite no sources for your (0+ / 0-)

            direct contradiction to a cited source.... Thats a little stupid dont you think?

            2) So you dont think paying into a decent retirement program so your employees can retire WITH healthcare is part of a livable wage? Gee that sounds smart again.

            Walmart needs to put in the average healthcare cost of the average person, otherwise at some point in their life, its employees will be dependant on social welfare. Beyond that you need to put EVEN MORE in, so they can be taken care of after they retire.

            •  I'd say stupid,or maybe idealogically blinded, (0+ / 0-)

              is the 10th grader who wouldn't instantly recognize that a worldwide workforce number does not equal the US workforce for a large multi-national company.
              As for your second bit of typing, perhaps you don't understand that any coverage depends on the risk pool? Walmart would be insuring millions of workers,the number you used captures all,including those who couldn't possibly work at Walmart or anywhere else.(too sick,too old,too disabled)Now see if you can think through how that impacts your figure. Further,the number you used ($8402) is for all healthcare costs. So in an attempt to dazzle us with numbers,you want me to believe that Walmart would offer zero deductible,zero copays,zero premiums and 100% PX coverage? Again,a smart 11th grader would know better. An honest 11th grader would have used the $5615 number from that chart. Argument would have still been a naf bit of how to lie with stats flotsam,but at least would show a modicum integrity.
              Here's a bit of grownup reading & analysis. One from the leftist journal known as Bloomberg http://www.bloomberg.com/... and another from the marxists at CNN entitled Why Wal-Mart can afford to give its workers a 50% raise http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/...

              Fight for $15.
               

              "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

              by tardis10 on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 12:16:36 AM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  I see the dunce cap is still on. (0+ / 0-)

                But you are doing a little better by quoting a few sources.

                Although you still have failed to directly quote the source for your basic fact above.

                Id say that the cnn article does a piss pore job of analysis. They fail to take into consider any property expenses, marketing, legal, operations etc.  All those add to be rather significant.

                For example that analysis completely ignores Walmart's distribution system, which consumes billions a year.  And is a valuable strategic advantage over its competitors.

                http://stock.walmart.com/...

                for why check the latest 10k.

                I'll admit that knowing that is a little bit beyond your grade 10, but if you are going to be writing and publishing financial articles, you should know better.

                The operation profit  is

                "Income from continuing operations before income taxes $ 25,737" 25.7 Billion a year. Period. Its a federal requirement that Walmart publish that number.

                You can see it on  Exhibit 12 of their 10k

                Exhibit 13 will prove where that number came from.

                "So in an attempt to dazzle us with numbers,you want me to believe that Walmart would offer zero deductible,zero copays,zero premiums and 100% PX coverage?"

                Id hope they would. For the sake this analysis we were talking about a good livable healthcare program.

                "the number you used captures all,including those who couldn't possibly work at Walmart or anywhere else.(too sick,too old,too disabled"

                Yes it does, and it should. You do realize that workers from Walmart become older as the years go by. That people become disabled and sick? In your pool of funds, you have to account for that.  Chances are Walmart's cost would actually even be higher, as a lack of education is tied to higher rates of health problems.

                So at best after all your ranting. You want to decrease the workforce to just your preferred 1.4 million employees (fuck their employees outside the states)

                and using the 1k of government subsidies from the Bloomberg article (Ya I want walmart employees to be paid better, but still not tooo much my 5k was wayyyy to much.

                So 1.4 Million * 8.5k for health insurance per person, * 1.5 to make some accounting for family insurance plans. + 1k *1.4 Million because you only want to pay the employees 1k more per year.  

                So that would cost them only 19.25 billion.  leaving 6.45 billion for Walmart

                 

                So its do able if you want to half ass giving SOME of the employees a "livable wage"

    •  As noted above,the cost of labor (1+ / 0-)
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      is only one part of what sets the price at Walmart.Labor prices could rise and prices could remain flat.But that would mean that the Walton family (who now own over 49% of the cos. stock),top mgmt. (including their CEO who was paid >20M last year) and shareholders would take a haircut. Tsk,tsk. If Walmart's business model is so freakin' craptastic that they must rely on the American taxpayer to subsidize their employees wages,then they need to fold....or ask Costco how to do business better.
      Maybe you could read this (slowly) to your libertarian buds. Including a chalkboard & a couple calculators with very big buttons with your presentation since libertarians tend to be math challenged.

      Here is an excellent overview from Stephen Gandel. http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/...  Remember that when Gandel mentions shareholders' dividends,a large proportion of this is the Walton family paying themselves again and again and again ...piggies at the trough understand sharing better.

      How much more? Wal-Mart has a book value of $76.7 billion. Take 15.4% of that, and that means investors are looking to get paid $11.8 billion a year. That leaves $101 billion to pay employees.
      Wal-Mart paid its top executives and board members $66.7 million last year. The rest of the money has to be split among Wal-Mart's remaining roughly 2.2 million employees. Of those, about 1.4 million work in the U.S. Assume that Wal-Mart spends about 2/3 of that on the salaries of its U.S. employees, because salaries are generally higher here. That leaves $66.6 billion for the U.S. workers, or $47,593. The Bureau of Labor Statistics estimates that 30% of the average U.S. workers' total compensation is spent on benefits.

      That means the average Wal-Mart employee's take home pay should be $33,315.

      "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

      by tardis10 on Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 11:38:41 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  The new "Dumb" : (0+ / 0-)

      I no longer shop Walmart, China's best friend is my enemy.

      The new "Dumb" is anyone who works for a corporation  selling mostly goods made in China. Dumb do not read nor vote, and you are lucky if they speak and understand English.  So you think we should encourage those types of people into the U.S. ?

      China sells it's own children now (yes= $3,000/girls =$2,500 boys, read summer/ fall archive of  Epoch Times).
      China has bought the Dayton, Ohio Energy company, a big investor in senior-SHAG housing: Seattle....... the list is much longer and getting longer. They are moving here, my friends.
      They have no middle class.......sound familiar?

      Few people know the Chinese government and it's people have a saying: "Hurry to rush in, so you can move slowly."
      It is associated with taking over slowly , over time. Communism is STILL their preferred government.

      That expression has been used in the Epoch Times I picked up at the bus stop in WA.

      They import to U.S poisoned and defective goods, have child labor, no Health regulations, no conscience, no heart, no emotions, no empathy, no altruism, and do not know the Lord ,as we are one Nation under God ........

      I hope Walmart workers get less per hour than they do now.
      Then China no longer has employees here.

  •  Meh Law (3+ / 0-)
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    Amendments:

    4th (unreasonable searches and seizures)

    8th (cruel and unusual punishment)  

    15th (previous condition of servitude [felons])

    24th ( poll taxes)

    AND (A Wop Bob A Loo Bop - A Lop Bam BOOM!), Colorado gun laws.

    As with love, the true opposite of law is indifference.

    We can discuss this and wonder what to do about that, but in the end, the ONLY thing that matters is voter turnout. Ya CAIN'T go to the dance if you AIN'T bought your ticket! Go team go.

    by franklyn on Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 08:33:22 PM PST

  •  NSA ruling (6+ / 0-)
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    Chris Hayes talked about the NSA ruling today with Rep. Steve Cohen (D-TN) and Jameel Jaffer.

    Rachel talked about it with Charlie Savage.

    Lawrence talked about it with Julian Epstein.

  •  About that Ryan budget... (3+ / 0-)
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    Lawrence talked about the budget and Obamacare with Steve Schmidt, Ezra Klein, Jonathan Cohn and Ari Melber.

    Ed Schultz talked with Reps. Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) and Dan Kildee (D-MI).

  •  NJ bridge closure scandal keeps growing (4+ / 0-)
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    Chris led off his show with this, talking with Matt Katz, New Jersey Assemblyman Gordon Johnson (D), and Bob Herbert.

    Rachel continued her coverage, noting David Wildstein's habit of buying domain names of possible Chris Christie foes, talking with New Jersey state senator Loretta Weinberg (D).

  •  Memo to Megyn Kelly: (6+ / 0-)

    “I would like to get rid of the homophobes, sexists, and racists in our audience. I know they're out there and it really bothers me.” ― Kurt Cobain

    by Jeff Y on Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 08:41:02 PM PST

  •  Gun nuts tried another recall (5+ / 0-)
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    Rachel talks about a story that I hadn't even known was going on, that the NRA types tried to recall the Democrats on the town council of Exeter, Rhode Island, this past Saturday.  All over some rote paperwork that they thought wasn't even controversial.  She then talked with Colorado state rep. Rhonda Fields (D) about the Colorado sheriffs who proclaimed they would simply refuse to enforce the gun laws in their state.

    Lawrence talked about what's happening in Colorado as well with Robert Draper and ex-Colorado state senator John Morse (D), who was recalled by the NRA.

  •  Fake voter fraud (3+ / 0-)
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    Chris talked about what can be done to stop voter disenfranchisement disguised by the GOP as combating "voter fraud" with Myrna Perez and Rev. William Barber.

    Ed looked at what they're doing in Ohio with Ohio state senator Nina Turner (D).

  •  Other assorted MSNBC clips (3+ / 0-)
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    Chris also looked at Megyn Kelly's excuse about bringing up Santa's race.

    Rachel noted that the Senate convened earlier than expected today, and confirmed Jeh Johnson to head up Homeland Security.

    Lawrence's KIND fund has now raised over $6.1 million for Malawi schoolchildren.  And he's started up a new one to help provide tuition money for girls in Malawi, because a high school education in that country is not free.

  •  How much are you paying this guy? nt (3+ / 0-)
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    We can discuss this and wonder what to do about that, but in the end, the ONLY thing that matters is voter turnout. Ya CAIN'T go to the dance if you AIN'T bought your ticket! Go team go.

    by franklyn on Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 08:48:04 PM PST

  •  America, tonights choke was brought to you by (3+ / 0-)
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    the Detroit Lions.

    Thank you:

    Chicago Bears photo: Chicago Bears 6010ChicagoBearsPosters.jpg

    “I would like to get rid of the homophobes, sexists, and racists in our audience. I know they're out there and it really bothers me.” ― Kurt Cobain

    by Jeff Y on Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 08:56:36 PM PST

  •  GunFail (4+ / 0-)
    An extended look at the year-end review of GunFAIL, particularly accidental shootings of kids. Reports out of Florida say 4 in 10 people treated at hospitals for gunshot wounds were the victims of GunFAIL episodes
    IMO, GunFail has brought a whole different dimension to the gun issue to light and it has nothing to do with gun control, but has everything to do with the reckless element of our gun culture due to lack of common sense training. Gun owners should be required to take rigorous training not just on gun use, but gun safety, and how to deescalate tense or hostile situations.

    Also, I believe there needs to be more accountability and responsibility associated with GunFails. When someone is cleaning a gun and accidentally shoots and kills a child, we shouldn't be calling it a tragic accident or a mishap, we should be calling it reckless endangerment, or involuntary manslaughter, and prosecuted accordingly.

    •  Yes! (1+ / 0-)
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      When someone is cleaning a gun and accidentally shoots and kills a child, we shouldn't be calling it a tragic accident or a mishap, we should be calling it reckless endangerment, or involuntary manslaughter, and prosecuted accordingly.

      "My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right." -- Sen Carl Schurz 1872

      by Calamity Jean on Tue Dec 17, 2013 at 10:47:08 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  "An Abacus... " (3+ / 0-)
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    "... to Get Our Love on Course" is the theme tonight in The Justice Department, because it is of course, Musique sans Frontieres.

    Player and the usual bells and whistles so you can come back here, then roam the Big Orange and Beyond...

    Listen to The After Show & The Justice Department on Netroots Radio. Join us on The Porch Tue & Fri at Black Kos, all are welcome!

    by justiceputnam on Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 09:14:21 PM PST

    •  Are the NJ Dems going to subpoena Christie? (2+ / 0-)
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      There's no reason not too.

      “I would like to get rid of the homophobes, sexists, and racists in our audience. I know they're out there and it really bothers me.” ― Kurt Cobain

      by Jeff Y on Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 09:23:31 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Chris Christie's Bridge over the River Why (1+ / 0-)
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      Chris Christie's Bridge over Troubled Politics
      Chris Christie's Bridge to Nowhere(Fox news failed politician-Pundit)

      I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

      by JML9999 on Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 09:50:51 PM PST

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  •  I know it's not a teevee show (0+ / 0-)

    but some of ya'll might like this.

    A Link From a Lady

    Victim of the system~Bob Marley

    by LaEscapee on Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 09:26:52 PM PST

  •  This makes me ill (2+ / 0-)
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    George Zimmerman lists painting on eBay to tens of thousands of dollars in bids

    Ummm, make that "100's of thousands."

    As of now, $99,966.00 with 98 bids and 4 1/2 days to go.  There is just SO much wrong with this.

    Be yourself. Everyone else is already taken. ~ Oscar Wilde

    by Terre on Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 09:33:32 PM PST

  •  A SMILE for everyone who loves love (0+ / 0-)

    Joseph and the amazing flash mob marriage proposal (Patrick and Mike)
    From the YouTube site:

    Published on Dec 4, 2013
    The ever-popular flash mob proposal by Patrick Stiles to Mike Kennedy on the night of November 23, 2013, at the River Run Centre in Guelph, Ontario, Canada.

    "After a day that involved two performances of Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat, the show's star, Patrick Stiles, still had perhaps the gutsiest and nerviest performance of his life to get through..." Guelph Mercury

    [Even the ending credits are cool to watch.]

    I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

    by NonnyO on Tue Dec 17, 2013 at 12:06:34 AM PST

  •  COAL: Leave it in the ground... for all our sakes (3+ / 0-)
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    "If Wall Street paid a tax on every “game” they run, we would get enough revenue to run the government on." ~ Will Rogers

    by Lefty Coaster on Tue Dec 17, 2013 at 12:37:52 AM PST

  •  Ian Dunlap thinks that industry must do it because (1+ / 0-)
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    government won't???!!!   That would be great except that a major reason governments aren't doing it is that industry is paying them not to so it would seem there is some lack of logic here.

    The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith

    by leema on Tue Dec 17, 2013 at 02:20:16 AM PST

  •  There's a place for coal (2+ / 0-)
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    In the ground. Love it.

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