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Raising the minimum wage continues to be extremely popular with the American public, even as Republicans in Congress continue to block it. A new Washington Post/ABC poll finds 66 percent overall support for increasing the federal minimum wage from $7.25, with even 50 percent of Republicans on board.
Republicans support a lower wage floor than Democrats, when asked separately about their preferred dollar amount. On average, Democrats favor a minimum wage of just over $10, while Republicans want it to be about $8.60 an hour. Independents fall in between, supporting an average minimum wage of about $9.40 an hour. All three groups set their preferred minimum wage higher than the current $7.25, but far below a $15 wage sought by some worker advocates.
Of course, part of what said worker advocates are trying to do is push the discussion to make it easier for more people to envision a minimum wage that's truly a living wage; right now, too many people's imaginations are constrained by an elite political debate in which the options presented are the brutal poverty of $7.25 an hour all the way up to the quarter inch above poverty (for small families) of $10.10 an hour. Convincing people to believe that other workers don't deserve more—that they themselves don't deserve more—is a critical component of the four-decade corporate and Republican campaign to drive down wages and increase inequality. Yet even despite this success at getting Americans to think small, raising the minimum wage is still extremely popular.

Originally posted to Daily Kos Labor on Wed Dec 18, 2013 at 06:09 AM PST.

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  •  That opened my eyes this AM (15+ / 0-)
    with even 50 percent of Republicans on board
    They must be the coffee drinkers.

    Shall we go? Yes, let's go.

    by whenwego on Wed Dec 18, 2013 at 06:21:58 AM PST

  •  Those percentage (2+ / 0-)
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    breakdowns could mirror the three different groups' attitudes towards human worth.

    ~War is Peace~Freedom is Slavery~Ignorance is Strength~ George Orwell "1984"

    by Kristina40 on Wed Dec 18, 2013 at 06:27:50 AM PST

  •  It seems that everybody (10+ / 0-)

    wants some kind of raise to the minimum wage except, of course, the  1%ers  and our Congress critters. Guess who wins?

    •  Wages can be raised by states & cities (4+ / 0-)
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      Here in San Jose, California, the minimum wage was raised to $10.00 an hour by local referendum. The State of California could make the wage $15 if it chose to do so.

      The 1%'ers and their minions in Congress own this on the federal level, yes, but for once they can lose in different spheres.  Not everything, but still progress.

      The minimum wage is uncannily like the labor wage attempted to be set by unions, once a certain threshold is reached in the labor market--around 35%, an easily attainable goal--other forces move the wage higher everywhere.

      Because after enough time every viable worker in Georgia leaves because enough other states pay so much better.  Eventually Georgia raises the wage just to be able to stay in the market.

      Americans are tired of the the working poor, it's so offensive and stupid on so many levels only a tiny few idiots oppose raising the minimum wage. They can be losers in this, oh yes, this time they don't have everything.

      •  Re (1+ / 0-)
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        Eventually Georgia raises the wage just to be able to stay in the market.
        Why would it have to? Private employers will raise salaries of they can't get workers. Or go out of business.

        (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
        Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

        by Sparhawk on Wed Dec 18, 2013 at 09:13:16 AM PST

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      •  Min wage should be a local issue, not Federal (0+ / 0-)

        The cost of living varies greatly in the US.  For example to match living with $15,000/yr in Tulsa, one would need $38,000/yr in NYC.

        So a min wage that is appropriate in one place in the country is wrong in others.

        Most all of the high cost of living cities in the US have local and state government dominated by Democrats, however these are also the places where the min wage is far too low for local cost of living.

        The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

        by nextstep on Wed Dec 18, 2013 at 09:42:10 AM PST

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        •  You cannot trust the localities to do this (0+ / 0-)

          Too often, they get involved in US vs. THEM politics and do stupid things that harm their constituents.

          At least with the federal government doing the minimum wage, that Us vs. Them disappears because the federal government is doing it for the ENTIRE United States.

          •  Disagree (0+ / 0-)

            Having it be national results in much of the country having too low a min wage, as it takes the pressure off local government.

            Keep in mind low income people are hurt by a min wage that is too low, as well as too high.  That is why it is important to get the right wage.

            A national min wage inherently needs to be set at the very low end, as the level must be appropriate for low cost of living places in the US, as local government cannot make a lower min wage.

            The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

            by nextstep on Wed Dec 18, 2013 at 02:52:14 PM PST

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            •  don't know why we should make ourselves (0+ / 0-)

              dependent on so-called free market high or low cost living places in the US. There is no free market in real estate. Don't pretend there is. Real estate stays empty in cities and homelessness is sky high there too, so where is the free market in rental or condo units in such cities? If there were a free market, it would have adjusted by now. It hasn't.

        •  South Dakota (0+ / 0-)

          where I live, is one of the reddest states in the union, states like this one need to be told by the feds or people here will continue to starve. The only way this state will increase minimum wage will be if we can get it on the state ballot. We are working on that but even that will only increase us to $8.50 an hour. Even though it should be a local issue, some places still need the feds to look out for the people in places like SD. For the record, cost of living here is not the bargain the conservatives here would want you to believe.

          If you are not the lead dog, the view never changes.

          by RepresentUsPlease on Tue Dec 24, 2013 at 10:52:33 AM PST

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        •  I disagree, the Federal government is not (0+ / 0-)

          responsible for exploitation of developers real estate and land usage. They should legislate out that exploitation.

          If you have to pay $3.500 for a tiny shitty so-to-speak "charming" historic, drafty piece of little wooden shak, called townhouse in some "famous" citiies like San Francisco, Washington DC and other frigging cities, it's the corporate power of the developers and the incapacity of the government to get rid of all the laws that allow them to hype up real estate prices.

          I think it would be unfair to raise the minimum wage in NYC to different levels than in rural West Virginia. Why?

          Do something against the land abuse and developer's profiteering. The develop anyway against the interest of the people. We don't need more new empty rental apartments and empty business buildings. We need those buildings occupied by people, who earn minimum wages.

           

      •  I think it's shit to raise minimum wage piecemeal (0+ / 0-)

        wise from one county to the next. Fine for those living in such a county, bad for all the others. It's the Federal government that should raise the minimum wage nationwide to at least #13.50.

        Why are our petitions going to change that? I think I have signed these petitions a zillion times. WTF.

  •  Poll finds strong support for frequent sex (3+ / 0-)
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    Same level of obviousness to the situation, that's all.

    Happy Holidays!

  •  harnessing the energy (2+ / 0-)
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    I hope political organizers are attending these strikes and protests to register voters!  Turning this anger into a raised minimum wage would be a great outcome.  Turning this anger into a raised minimum wage AND more voting would be even better.

    The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein

    by ERdoc in PA on Wed Dec 18, 2013 at 06:50:53 AM PST

    •  You think they're not already registered to vote? (0+ / 0-)

      Don't you think that's a little presumptuous?

      I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent.

      by Futuristic Dreamer on Wed Dec 18, 2013 at 07:55:54 AM PST

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      •  there are nonregistered people everywhere (0+ / 0-)

        I wasn't presuming anything about their likelihood of being registered; non-registered folks are everywhere, in all income levels and walks of life.  My only presumption was that people protesting the minimum wage are the sort of people we WANT registered, so if there are unregistered people among them, it would be great to capitalize on it.  

        I hope that clarifies my comment.

        The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein

        by ERdoc in PA on Wed Dec 18, 2013 at 09:16:08 AM PST

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      •  When you are working hard just for food... (0+ / 0-)

        How easy it is to register, and stay registered, varies by state. Here in Washington State, it is impossible to access social services of any kind that have state involvement without being asked if you'd like to register. Washington is very pro-voter. Many other states barely meet the minimum Federal motor-voter requirements, and post the required "Register to vote here" sign as inconspicuously as possible. Remember Maslow's hierarchy of needs. The harder someone has to work just to meet their basic needs, the less time and energy they have for things like politics. In any population, you will find unregistered people, even if only a few. Always include voter registration in any progressive action!

        Workers of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your shackles. It is by the picket line and direct action that true freedom will be won, not by electing people who promise to screw us less than the other guy.

        by rhonan on Wed Dec 18, 2013 at 10:00:15 AM PST

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  •  $15 a hour (14+ / 0-)

    What the striking fast food workers (and their organizers) are doing is trying to shift the "Overton Window" of what is an acceptable wage for low-skilled work.  $15 is high, but it's not unprecedented (Australia has that high of a minimum wage).  Originally Obama and other Democrats were pushing a reasonable $9 + change and hour minimum wage--close to what Republicans and independents want the wage to be.  It's reasonable, it's moderate, it's centrist.  However, once that becomes Obama's position, it becomes the "far left" position.  That's crazy.  We want the "far left" option to be $15 an hour.  THEN we can compromise at $9-11 a hour.

    •  Absolutely (0+ / 0-)

      Also, I'm not even sure per/hour is the best way to go about it.  For example, on NPR this morning they had a story about a father that picks almonds in Raisin City, California (I apologize if I get some of the details wrong).  He made, iirc, $170 a week.  That number is shockingly low to me.

      Why not poll people on how much someone working a job should make a week/month/year?  That gets the number away from thinking about "What was the minimum wage when I was a kid, and what would be a fair bump to that" to thinking about "Well, I need this much money a week to live, what would be the minimum someone should earn"

      •  I work part time for a nonprofit who can't afford (1+ / 0-)
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        to pay me anywhere near what I'd need to live.   I'd rather they pay me something than just do volunteer work for them.  I'm a student and I know a lot of people who work part time and don't make enough to get by on their job alone, but aren't trying to live off it either.  In many cases a business (especially a small business) may not need and may not able to afford a full time person, and forcing such businesses to hire full time or not at all would often mean they wouldn't hire at all.  Effectively eliminating part time work would be a bad thing.

        We should do something to stop the trend of employers using lots of part time people without paying any of them a living wage.  Maybe we should have rules about how many part time employes can do a given job in when there are so many total hours of work? Or maybe we should give part time employees the right to request more hours before allowing an employer to higher a new person for under a certain number of hours a week?

        Any other ideas about how we should balance allowing people to work part time, and preventing employers from mistreating part time employes?

        I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent.

        by Futuristic Dreamer on Wed Dec 18, 2013 at 08:31:13 AM PST

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        •  ...I agree? (1+ / 0-)
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          I wasn't suggesting that part time work should be eliminated.  I just meant that for many people, especially salaried employees, how many dollars per hour you make may not be a very meaningful number.  How many dollars a full time worker makes in a week, or month (a budgeting period) may have more meaning for some people, at least for me.

          For example, 15 dollars an hour - my immediate thought is wow!  That's a lot!  I can remember working for far less than that!  But then I see, well, that'd be only 600 dollars week - and if they only took off two weeks all year long, only 30,000 a year.   30,000 a year doesn't seem as extravagant to my mind for a minimum wage.

          •  If you worked 10 hours a week... (0+ / 0-)

            Even if the minimum wage was $15/hour you'd still only make $150/week.  If you based the minimum wage on weekly or yearly income, it would be really hard to hire people part time because someone who worked 10 hours a week would have make $60/hour to make $30,000 a year.

            I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent.

            by Futuristic Dreamer on Wed Dec 18, 2013 at 04:03:57 PM PST

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    •  no way to compromise on $9 - $11 - why (0+ / 0-)

      would you do that? Can't you fight for at least $13.00 as the last compromise ever? There is no way you can live on a full-time job on a $11.00/h job. Either you want people to be able to work for a living, or you impose on them work for a starving.

  •  Disingenuous Poll (1+ / 0-)
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    whenwego

    It should ask if they support increased prices for hamburgers, T-Shirts and everything else. That's basically the elephant in the room on raising minimum wage.

    •  There are still market pressures to keep prices (7+ / 0-)

      down.

      Without knowing the cost of doing business we don't know if a business owner can absorb the cost.

      I read, I wish I could find the link, that the American worker had increased their productivity 80% over the past 30 years.  Their wages have only increased 10% over that time.  Where has that increased productivity gone?  It it in lower prices or is it in profit for the 1%?

    •  Poll should ask whether everyone is as dumb (3+ / 0-)
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      as you think they are.

      Further, affiant sayeth not. 53959

      by Gary Norton on Wed Dec 18, 2013 at 07:25:22 AM PST

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    •  Hold on for a second (7+ / 0-)

      Fine, prices will go up.  Which informs us that it's not just low wage workers that need a raise - it's the entire goddamn middle class that needs a raise.

      I'm not sure your post is in good faith in the first place, but what you mention does bring awareness to the point that all 99% workers need a raise.

      I think this is a major miscalculation on behalf of the fast food workers and their unions - arguing for a $15 wage (which I do agree with), while saying nothing about how the teacher making $50,000 a year should really be making $65,000 a year, and let the 0.1 percenters pay for it.

      A lot of the "on the fence" middle class people see low wage workers striking for a raise while they haven't seen a raise in ages themselves.  We need to have the support of all 99% to really give this fight some political weight, and not including a call to raise your $20/hr salary to $30/hr is a big mistake IMO.

      "Give me a lever long enough... and I shall move the world." - Archimedes

      by mconvente on Wed Dec 18, 2013 at 07:26:42 AM PST

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      •  yep (2+ / 0-)
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        So many good folks took a salary hit in 2008 and haven't gotten--and will never get--that money back. I know people who have been working since then without any raise, no COL, nothing, in that time (they did see their insurance premium rise, though.) But I don't see prices going down or the business owners driving a 10-year-old Hyundai, though.

    •  No, it's not... (0+ / 0-)

      ...because evidence from past minimum wage increases is that a moderate increase in the minimum wage has virtually no impact on prices.

      Political Compass: -6.75, -3.08

      by TexasTom on Wed Dec 18, 2013 at 10:37:06 AM PST

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  •  It's such a no brainer (0+ / 0-)

    But are there any brains in DC?

    Not IMO, with a handful of exceptions.

    Daily Kos an oasis of truth. Truth that leads to action.

    by Shockwave on Wed Dec 18, 2013 at 07:34:31 AM PST

  •  Hard to believe (0+ / 0-)

    34% oppose. Of course, there's always 20-25% who will take the most absurd positions imaginable.

    My guess is they are augmented here  in large part by a big slice of the top 10%, who find it most convenient to believe in meritocracy, "I Built This," and an exaggerated regard for and awe of concentrated capital over distributed capital as a requirement of investment...as if a society with much more broadly distributed income would not only not continue to invest, but could never do so as wisely as a chosen few...

    Trust, but verify. - Reagan
    Vote, but Occupy. - commonmass

    When the rich have tripled their share of the income and wealth yet again, Republicans will still blame the poor and 3rd Way Democrats will still negotiate.

    by Words In Action on Wed Dec 18, 2013 at 07:49:14 AM PST

  •  If you're against raising the minimum wage (0+ / 0-)

    it's time to admit that you view poor people as sub-human.

    29, white male, TX-07 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

    by TDDVandy on Wed Dec 18, 2013 at 07:49:53 AM PST

    •  Oh but THEY DO (0+ / 0-)

      They're just not willing to come right out and say it.

    •  The rich should not pay a death tax or a fair tax (0+ / 0-)

      while they are living because they worked hard and earned it.

      The living wage is too much for those who expect to earn a living.  

      If we tax the rich that is socialism. If the poor work for free, that's . . .the unbearable whiteness of Santa.

      /s

      Now they have the 2nd (safety net for sloppy) Amendment, and can't be infringed to actually treat their gun like a gun and not a video game controller.

      by 88kathy on Wed Dec 18, 2013 at 01:55:10 PM PST

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  •  Point out that current minimum wage pushes (3+ / 0-)
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    full-time workers onto food stamps and other government assistance. Then ask.

    I expect the Republican numbers to improve dramatically.

    I'm on a mission! http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1233352/51142428#c520 Testing the new site rules.

    by blue aardvark on Wed Dec 18, 2013 at 07:50:48 AM PST

    •  Point out to Republicans (3+ / 0-)
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      that this conversation happens with frequency at these businesses:

      "Can I get a raise?"

      "No, but you CAN apply for food stamps."

      29, white male, TX-07 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

      by TDDVandy on Wed Dec 18, 2013 at 07:52:57 AM PST

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    •  This would be true (1+ / 0-)
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      blue aardvark

      if "conservatives" were not such practiced hypocrites.

      Put welfare, food stamps or litigation to them as general propositions, and they will stridently condemn them. Put a specific case, and they will happily advise applying for public assistance or suing. (I speak from experience.)

      Consumer culture is a moral anesthetic that numbs our souls against the pinpricks of outraged conscience.

      by Abdel Irada on Wed Dec 18, 2013 at 09:31:20 AM PST

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  •  I had a debate with a couple family (4+ / 0-)
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    members yesterday and I used a tactic that really worked on them.

    Both had worked fast food at one time but made the point that it was a stepping stone job for teenagers on the way to a better career. My counterpoint was that it was still harder work than what both of them do today - they both agreed. I also pointed out that all of the fast food employees I see today are not teenagers, they are working moms - both agreed.

    To put the nail in the coffin of their argument I asked them if people worked hard regardless of what they did they deserved to be paid enough to at least take care of their families. Current minimum wage does not allow them to do that and they end up accepting public assistance to cover what their wages won't cover.

    I made two converts yesterday.

    •  One other thing to point out in such cases. (0+ / 0-)

      When they were working that minimum wage job, it was at time when there were better jobs to move up to. The biggest problem we have now is what I call trickle-down employment. When we have three unemployed workers for every job that comes open, there's not only no room to move up, workers face stiffer competition from workers with more experience settling for what they can get. If I'm hiring for a job that pays better than minimum, why should I hire someone with only fast-food experience when I have a stack of resumes from people who have actually done the job I'm hiring for? There would not be nearly as much need to raise the minimum wage if we actually had an economy that produced jobs for the people, instead of just more wealth for the 1%.

      Workers of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your shackles. It is by the picket line and direct action that true freedom will be won, not by electing people who promise to screw us less than the other guy.

      by rhonan on Wed Dec 18, 2013 at 10:20:22 AM PST

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    •  too many live still with their memories (0+ / 0-)

      of the sixties and seventies and early eighties, where you could  survive somehow with minimum wage jobs at the side when you were young and a student.

      Those times are gone. I can't believe why parents would want their kids to work two part-time jobs at minimum wage to pretend they can pay with that for their education. It's bullshit.

      Teenagers and students deserve to have time to STUDY and not to slave labor their time away for exploitative corporations to earn some additional money to survive.

      I mean what is with this country that it doesn't see a responsibility to educate and train the young anymore and instead tell them they should waste their time flipping burgers and offer them one "bad deal" after the next to confuse them ?

      And all the employees I see in fast food outlets and stores like target etc are not teenagers or students. They are "wanna-be" students, who have given up on ever to graduate and they come in all colors. And by then they are adults and if they are not so lucky, they are parents who are just about to raise the next generation of people not being able to leave poverty behind.

  •  I have a minimum wage job. (0+ / 0-)

    I never envisioned working so hard for so little at my age.

    I work 24 hours/week at minimum wage (raised to $8.15 after 2 years).  The owner sees himself as mother theresa, yet uses the profits off the workers to lobby against minimum wage increases.  Every thing that goes wrong in the company is blamed on the worker.  He even wrote a book explaining that when the corporation was tanking, he closed all his stores to re-teach the worker on how to make the product!  The failure had nothing to do with management decisions to over expand and underpay!!!

    Yes, they provide healthcare even for part time.  Won't get you to heaven.  Sorry.

  •  Index the minimum wage to regional cost of living (0+ / 0-)

    The minimum wage in New York city needs to be higher than the rest of the country, because money is worth less there.  In a lot of the country $10.10 is reasonable for minimum wage.  In some places, like NYC it's not.  

    The federal government already has an area based cost of living adjustment they use for federal employees. We should index minimum wage to the same thing.

    I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent.

    by Futuristic Dreamer on Wed Dec 18, 2013 at 08:03:32 AM PST

  •  Well.... (1+ / 0-)
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    I absolutely agree the minimum wage MUST be raised.
    However, knowing these greedy companies and their selfish motives very well, they'll 'say', ok, we'll raise the minimum wage and then they'll cut workers hours. Work for 35-40 hours at 7.25 or get a pay raise and get scheduled to work for 15 hours.  And they'll twist it and tell you, well we did what you wanted. These guys are true SOBs and major fu*kers.

    I think, therefore I am........................... Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose....AKA Engine Nighthawk - don't even ask!

    by Lilyvt on Wed Dec 18, 2013 at 08:13:20 AM PST

    •  Of course. We must never forget (0+ / 0-)

      that there are good reasons why (a) the jobs most attractive to psychopaths are those for corporate executives, (b) studies show that corporations behave like psychopaths, and (c) these phenomena are not unrelated.

      Consumer culture is a moral anesthetic that numbs our souls against the pinpricks of outraged conscience.

      by Abdel Irada on Wed Dec 18, 2013 at 09:37:06 AM PST

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  •  Minimum Wage (0+ / 0-)

    has to be the central theme of any Democrat's campaign for 2014.

  •  If Democrats really want to take the House ... (0+ / 0-)

    ... they will make the 2014 election about raising the minimum wage, significantly.  Good Democrats understand that this is just the right thing to do; for the rest, it should be obvious that the working poor need a reason to turn out for a midterm election, and the prospect of a Grand Bargain isn't going to do it.

  •  The deficit is a good reason. (0+ / 0-)

    If the minimum wage were raised, fewer people would be on public assistance, reducing taxpayers' burden.  We all know that.

    But in addition, more payroll taxes would be collected shoring up Social Security and Medicare.  Not once have I heard anyone mention that.  It's an inconvenient truth the politicians don't want you to think about.  They'd rather serve their corporate masters than do anything about the deficit.

    The deficit is a boogeyman to justify cutting payments to ordinary people and it's only used as a boogeyman.  They are not serious.

  •  Raising the min wage is only a temporary fix. (0+ / 0-)

    It will eventually be raised, but probably not in the right way and not with other needed labor reforms.

    Just raising the minimum wage won't be enough - any increase will be likely absorbed into the generally rising cost of things by the time it's adopted, much like easier credit contributed to the housing bubble and federal subsidization contributes to the high cost of education. Note that this is not an argument against raising the minimum wage, only against raising the minimum wage without other, greater reforms.

    An idea would be to have a community-rated cost-of-living-indexed minimum wage and a revision of business tax regulations to increase taxation on employees paid the minimum with declining rates for paying more than the minimum. The rate decline would be the inverse of the amount paid the employee...as wages go up, the amount in tax goes down. The justification for the increase in taxation would be that low-pay employees lean more heavily on public services funded by public monies, so employers unwilling to pay livable wages should be contributing more to the public coffers.

    "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."

    by grape crush on Wed Dec 18, 2013 at 09:25:50 AM PST

  •  of course the minimum (0+ / 0-)

    wage should be raised but the majority don't run the country anymore the 1% who have all the wealth and power they stole do.
    to call america a democracy is an insult to those that fought to protect that ideal and the 1% aka chicken hawks are not included in that group.

  •  Another Issue To Run On (0+ / 0-)

    I should have included increasing the minimum wage in a list of issues I think the Democrats need to run hard on. Because not only are the vast majority of Americans in support of increasing the minimum wage I honestly believe they would vote for it.

    Collect Different Days

    by Homers24 on Wed Dec 18, 2013 at 11:19:56 AM PST

  •  The champagne tower has a greedy magical cup (0+ / 0-)

    on top. It expands to keep all the champagne. Soon it is going to crash through all the empty champagne goblets below.

    The champagne gobble goblet at the top is scared the goblets at the bottom will take away all the champagne.

    Now they have the 2nd (safety net for sloppy) Amendment, and can't be infringed to actually treat their gun like a gun and not a video game controller.

    by 88kathy on Wed Dec 18, 2013 at 01:51:34 PM PST

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