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♥For My Grandfather Michael Murphy. He worked on the Central Railroad; (in Jersey City), 100 years ago. Unloading box cars with a big hook. He and his fellow workers, sweltered in the summer and froze in the winter!

The spectra pipeline is expected to pump 800 million cubic feet of gas a day, starting in Linden, NJ (Bayway Refinery). Eventually making its way to Manhattan.

Detailed Maps-Proposed Pipeline Route

The Danger

Incredibly; spectra wants to run the Manhattan portion of the pipeline; from, Liberty State Park in Jersey City, past the Statue Of Liberty, Ellis Island, Castle Garden (War of 1812 Era Fort Clinton And America's first immigrant receiving center), The Holland Tunnel, The New Jersey Turnpike, etc and off Hoboken's pristine shoreline, into Manhattan's West Village. Spectra laying a pipeline to bring FRACKED gas into the West Village Really Scary! This is crazy!

The Continuing Saga of; Stop spectra gas, aka The New Jersey-New York Expansion Project

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Update 2/20/14

Status of NJ/NYC-spectra natural gas pipeline? Being decided by Federal Appeals Court.
November 2 2013
Thirteen people were arrested for blocking the West Side Highway adjacent to the site where Spectra Energy has completed a pipeline entering Manhattan from New Jersey.

On June 28 2012, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) granted approval to spectra to proceed with construction of the pipeline and ok'd spectra's original proposal.

This gas pipeline is expected to go into service Nov, 2013, with gas flowing  through Bayonne, Jersey City and offshore Hoboken.

spectra and con ed plan to bring fracked gas, laced with radon, into New York via a new explosive, high pressure pipeline. This is bad for the environment and bad for New Yorkers.

From Bayonne to Hoboken, spectra's controversial natural gas transportation pipeline is expected to start pumping gas November 1st by Joseph R. Vena/The Jersey Journal October 24, 2013

I wrote this diary because I love New York City, Jersey City and they really turned Hoboken into a beautiful city. I have many friends in Manhattan and Jersey City.

I don't know how spectra got a permit for this project to begin with; except for the fact that FERC, is funded entirely by fees generated from energy companies.

Considering the large number of people all over Jersey City, NYC and with the West Village's congestion, allowing spectra's gas pipeline in this densely populated area, is totally reckless and irresponsible!

Jersey City spectra energy pipeline Council Caucus 02/22/2011

Hoboken objects to spectra's proposed gas pipeline too. One can understand how they would not like it destroying their pristine NJ/NY Harbor! Hoboken, New Jersey

Occupy Spectra NYC Aug 11, 2012 Occupy and NYC residents out in force to oppose the construction of an explosive pipeline that proposes to deliver radon-infested fracked gas from the Marcellus.

Contact Spectra Energy Watch. Where Eminent Domain Meets Grassroots & Social Media.

Private property rights are fundamental to freedom.

Founding father Samuel Adams described it as an “essential” right and wrote, “that no man can justly take the property of another without his consent.”

Manhattan Side PSA


Natural Gas Watch.org Spectra Energy Delayed Critical Natural Gas Pipeline Repairs, Maintenance for Years in Pennsylvania

Sane Energy Project saneenergyproject.org

The Statue Of Liberty Thanks You All For Your Activism

Peace And Justice, ga

This Land Is Your Land,
This Land Is My Land

This Land Belongs To You And Me.

January 8, 2014. More than 2,000 New Yorkers from every corner of the state descended on Albany today to rally against fracking outside of Gov. Cuomo's (D-NY) State of the State address.

The concerned residents pointed to a significant and rapidly growing body of science showing harms of fracking to public health and the environment, delivering a clear message that fracking is inherently dangerous and Gov. Cuomo must ban it statewide. Those at the rally—representing more than 100 organizations—also urged the Governor to be a leader in clean, renewable energy for New York and the nation.

This video is loud and long (14 minutes), but very good.

Chevron Causes Gas Pipeline Explosion, Whole Texas Town Evacuated by Kossack FishOutofWater Nov 14 2013.

A natural gas pipeline operated by TransCanada Corp. exploded and caught fire in the Canadian province of Manitoba on Saturday, 1/25/14. Link provided by Kossack ericlewis0

NO Tar Sands! Mountaintop Removal, Gas Fracking, Strip And Longwall Mining, An American Tragedy And Global Climate Crime!

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  •  Tip Jar (13+ / 0-)

    Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

    by rebel ga on Sun Dec 29, 2013 at 06:00:19 AM PST

  •  nearly 30 years ago we stopped a pipeline from (2+ / 0-)
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    Canada from crossing our neighborhood near the river and going underneath the elementary school. I said "we" but I didn't help much- told neighbors & friends what was going on, but didn't demonstrate (there wasn't an organized protest). But I didn't have to, because a local businessman was going house to house explaining, and he caused enough ruckus that the funding dried up faraway and the project was cancelled. I knew it was bad at the time, but I didn't understand how bad, or I would have worked harder against it too. SO this is to say, we the people must control the ground under our own feet. We are the government- or are supposed to be anyway. So go get 'em & have it your way!

    We are all pupils in the eyes of God.

    by nuclear winter solstice on Sun Dec 29, 2013 at 06:12:56 AM PST

    •  Thanks nuclear winter solstice. (1+ / 0-)
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      big energy goes too far.

      The thing is. If big energy invested their money in green energy, ie solar, wind, etc. They would make even more money than they currently are with fossil fuels. Cleaner easier work harvesting the energy too.

      Nobody wants to take their TX, OK, etc, oil wells away.

      We just want to stop monstrosities like tar sands, close the nuclear power plants, and stop gas expansion and fracking.

      Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

      by rebel ga on Sun Dec 29, 2013 at 06:23:34 AM PST

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      •  for me the thing is bigger. and I don't want to (1+ / 0-)
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        get this thread side tracked, but I feel like there is an answer that is being ignored and it's because of big oil that no one wants to talk about it. And people will argue with me a million ways about the science, and that's what I don't feel like defending here, so I will just put this thought out as my personal opinion:

        There is such a thing as "thermal depolymerization." It goes by various names and has been attempted and brought down and declared unsuccessful and wrong. But it seems to me that the only thing wrong is us not having supported it and worked harder to perfect it than to deny it.
            Imagine this scene: the world's largest pressure cooker that can cook anything back down into primeval soup. Then you blow off the water and yet capture most of it for re-use. Solid minerals and other stuff (that would be going out the smoke stack if this fuel were burning instead of being cooked at great temperatures under high pressure) are separated out and the end product is clean home heating oil and diesel fuel.
             We could continue to distribute this home-cooked fuel in the network that we already use for this stuff. At the same time we could scrape up every landfill in the country, empty barges of garbage, scoop all the plastic out of the ocean and re-cook it. We don't need to be crushing and fracking and sucking out everylast drop of Earth's oil when we have disgusting waste lying all around needing to be rehashed back into the fuel chain if we plan to live with petrochemicals forever.
            Ashes to ashes, dust to dust, and long-chain polymers back to primordial stew. Thermal depolymerization is a technology that can melt prion proteins- there isn't any other way to clean up after mad-cow disease, but this can.

        Where have all the hippies gone? I want us to develop a real Earth day attitude and clean up the planet, which will automatically cool it a little bit, just like how the temperature in my fish tank goes up precipitously if I don't clean it in time. Plant more trees, to act like the fishtank's filters.

         We have enough garbage lying around this planet to fuel us forever. And we can't seem to stop making more. Let's do something about this. It was high temperatures combined with high pressures that turned the dinosaur's swamps to petrofuel the first time, right? (eh- more or less.) Can we please take a clue from science and perfect TDP?
             Thanks for reading my rant.

        We are all pupils in the eyes of God.

        by nuclear winter solstice on Sun Dec 29, 2013 at 07:19:20 AM PST

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        •  Thermal depolymerization (3+ / 0-)

          is a good idea, but definitely a small scale, niche technology.

          Prions, btw, can be destroyed by simple incineration easily enough.

        •  Recirculated Hot Sand Pyrolysis (2+ / 0-)

          Recirculated Hot Sand Pyrolysis was developed by the Federal Government in the 1940s and could process -- in commercial scale -- any landfill material (or toxic waste, or sewage sludge, including PCBs) into a producer gas made up of mostly hydrogen and carbon monoxide.   All metals and toxins were drained out of the low-pressure reactors in solid form, some of them as glass.  The producer gas would then be processed -- using standard refinery tanks, vessels, piping and pumps -- into synthetic Natural Gas or liquid fuels.  
          But conventional gas and crude oil have always been manipulated to be just a little bit cheaper that fuels created by hot sand pyrolysis and so it has never been developed.  The technology is well developed and in the public domain so there would be no licensing costs.  It would take a government-business partnership to build the first one.  But wouldn't it be nice to end up digging up landfills for the feed stock?

        •  Thermal depolymerization isn't a very good name (0+ / 0-)

          for the process you are describing which is actually thermal gasification in gasification apparatus which is very similar to the gasification part of the process for an IGCC coal plant.

          Gasification plants are on the path to carbon sequestration but they are only part of such a system.

          Gasification does not solve carbon dioxide problems from combustion, but gasification processes have the potential to be very useful when applied to other cryogenic process technologies for carbon sequestration and control of other greenhouse gases.

          Gasification is also the path for taking waste biomass (i.e. urban sewage sludge and forestry waste trimmings) and turning these into pipeline gas.....however any such technology implementation must address CO2e emissions.

  •  That's horrendous, can't New Yorkers just use (1+ / 0-)
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    solar to heat their apartments? And the fact that it's fracked gas too when it's just as easy to buy unfracked gas.  

    “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

    by ban nock on Sun Dec 29, 2013 at 06:47:45 AM PST

    •  I'm finding this debate silly (1+ / 0-)
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      The solar energy available on the roof top of a building yields approximately 15 watts per square foot, or about 100 watt hours per day.  These numbers do not allow for cloudy days and other common inefficiencies, but let's use them for the sake of our discussion.  A typical large apartment building in New York might have a roof area of 5,000 square feet.

      Optimistically, we might see 500 kilowatt hours of energy collected each day.  

      In cold winter conditions, the power required for a typical apartment is 10 watts per square foot, 8,000 watts for an 800 square foot unit, times 24 hours equals 193 kilowatt hours.  

      So we can see that solar panels on the roof could supply energy enough on a cold day for TWO apartments.

      As long as we humans chose to live in big cities, demanding low cost energy to feed, clothe, move, and warm ourselves we are for the foreseeable future going to be burning fossil fuels -- or maybe we could clear all of the trees and houses off the eastern half of New Jersey for a huge solar panel installation so New Yorkers wouldn't have to feel worried about gas pipelines.

      Those who think otherwise, who believe in theories about oil company conspiracies while they take a fossil fueled cab down to the store to buy bottled water shipped in from Fiji are simply fools.

      Labor was the first price paid for all things. It was not by money, but by labour, that all wealth of the world was originally purchased. - Adam Smith

      by boatwright on Sun Dec 29, 2013 at 09:43:24 AM PST

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      •  Well what about ethanol? (1+ / 0-)
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        Couldn't they just grow soy or hemp on those roofs and distil it? Or recycle the hot air from New Yorkers? Buffalo Commons captured methane? Bottled water from Fiji in America's Cup yachts? Large solar installations by moving rural people somewhere else? (Just kidding, on all counts)

        “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

        by ban nock on Sun Dec 29, 2013 at 09:50:54 AM PST

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      •  There are many warm states in the US (1+ / 0-)
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        where solar power can be used effectively. Thus reducing the need for fossil fuels for electricity.

        I don't know if you use gas, oil, or electric to heat your home, boatwright.

        But, the people in NJ and NYC don't want a transportation gas pipeline running past their door. It's simply not safe!

        The spectra pipeline is expected to pump 800 million cubic feet of high-pressure natural gas a day,
        If they decide to run a pipeline like this past your house/or apt; perhaps you won't think, that this is all so silly, then?

        Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

        by rebel ga on Sun Dec 29, 2013 at 06:02:53 PM PST

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        •  God I wish we had a pipeline, we might get gas (2+ / 0-)
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          service instead of trying to live on 3 dollar a gallon propane.

          Trust me your fears aren't universal.

          Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
          I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
          Emiliano Zapata

          by buddabelly on Mon Dec 30, 2013 at 11:41:42 AM PST

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          •  Yeah buddabelly, propane is way worse than gas. (0+ / 0-)

            I had propane for a couple of years. Cost about $1,500 one winter. To heat two small rooms.

            But spectra isn't an ordinary gas pipeline.

            It's a transportation pipeline and they want to run it through big, densely populated cities. Not good.

            I Wish you could convert to electric or even get an oil furnace. Much better than gas. I have electric heat now. And it works really good. Not too expensive either. About $130 a month in winter.

            But I get heating assistance. So I don't worry about winter heat.

            I  had a diary about LIHEAP. It's in draft over here at DKos for next year. But here it is on blogspot. It might still be possible to apply, even at this date. For info; anyone who needs help, it's easy to just contact them.
            The Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program (LIHEAP)

            Yes oil is here to stay. It's about how we get it, (not harming the environment in the process), using the right kind and not junk like tar sands, that's important.

            There will always be a need for oil.

            Gas; is a dinosaur, and should be extinct.

            Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

            by rebel ga on Mon Dec 30, 2013 at 12:20:05 PM PST

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  •  Though firmly opposed to fracking (4+ / 0-)
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    This is just a NIMBY post. Good luck with that.

    "Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for a real Republican every time." Harry Truman

    by MargaretPOA on Sun Dec 29, 2013 at 08:08:09 AM PST

    •  Not. (1+ / 0-)
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      NIMBY
      I see you're in Texas Margaret. This ain't Texas, why should we make big energy oil/gas, etc richer and let them destroy our area.

      NJ, NYC, won't even get any trickle down economic benefits, from Texas big gas and oil.

      I've been to Texas. My Sister lives in Houston. A Very happy place. At least in the well to do areas.

      Big energy works in Texas. Everyone prospers. Even the young girls cashiering at the market are smiling, with a "Howdy; how are ya' all today". Yes Houston reeks of money.

      But these companies, just want to come here and plunder our ecology. They'll probably just abandon these pipelines in 50 years when they get old.

      btw, don't need luck. Law is on NJ and NYC'S side.

      Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

      by rebel ga on Sun Dec 29, 2013 at 08:51:00 AM PST

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    •  Yes, somewhat. (0+ / 0-)

      I'm not exactly sure what parts are completed. But the pipeline from Staten Island to Bayonne is operating as far as Hoboken.

      But the Federal Court has not yet given it's decision on Jersey City's appeal, concerning overturning, FERC's approval, which is how the pipeline is being allowed to temporarily operate.

      When the Federal Court overturns FERC's approval. spectra will have to pack up their fracked gas and go back to Staten Island and hopefully Texas, Canada, etc with their junk!

      spectra doesn't care. It'll be a huge tax write off for them in 2015.

      Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

      by rebel ga on Sun Dec 29, 2013 at 09:05:41 AM PST

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  •  From this diary I can't tell: (2+ / 0-)
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    (1)  What the issue is with this pipeline;
    (2)  What the alternative energy source use in the absence of the pipeline would be; or
    (3)  Anything else which would lead me to support or oppose it or spend the time to research it

    •  You didn't read it then, Justanothernyer. (0+ / 0-)

      All the facts and issues are provided in an easy to understand manner, in this diary. Why you don't understand, is beyond me.

      Not offering an alternative energy source for this situation (just use of clean energy in general). Don't need one.

      Keep the spectra gas pipeline out of NJ and NYC. That's the demand. Let spectra just go away. That's all!

      I already researched it. Have been for over two years. All the research is in the links.

      btw, sorry if you don't care to support the people but we'll do just fine without you. Thank you for sharing.

      Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

      by rebel ga on Mon Dec 30, 2013 at 10:24:47 AM PST

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  •  the diary is incoherent (4+ / 0-)

    rambling and close to hysterical,  and doesn't actually inform as to what the controversy is about.

    I scrolled down looking for one paragraph that laid it all out clearly.

    It is over a century late to ban natural gas in NYC.  How about coal smoke and horse poop six inches deep on Broadway?  Organic enough to satisfy you?

    The solution to NYC's issues is to move out of the City. Too many people concentrated in an unsustainable infrastructure.

    don't always believe what you think

    by claude on Mon Dec 30, 2013 at 08:15:44 AM PST

    •  Inchoerent? It took days to get in order. (0+ / 0-)

      So what's up claude, you own stock in the gas companies? You're so hot to defend natural gas and demean my diary.

      If you lacked information, apparently you just skimmed the diary and didn't read any of the links.

      btw, who cares what you think!

      If they wanted to run this pipeline past your door; I bet, you'd be the hysterical one.

      The spectra pipeline is expected to pump 800 million cubic feet of gas a day

      The Danger

      Incredibly; spectra wants to run the Manhattan portion of the pipeline from, Liberty State Park in Jersey City, past the Statue Of Liberty, Ellis Island, Castle Garden (War of 1812 Era Fort Clinton And America's first immigrant receiving center), The Holland Tunnel, The New Jersey Turnpike, etc and off Hoboken's pristine shoreline, into Manhattan's West Village. Spectra laying a pipeline to bring FRACKED gas into the West Village Really Scary! This is crazy!

      Talk is cheap claude. Easy for you out in N Mexico.

      As for the people in Manhattan, why should they move, they've lived in places like the West Village for generations!

      Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

      by rebel ga on Mon Dec 30, 2013 at 10:13:33 AM PST

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      •  and without gas they will live in horse shit and (1+ / 0-)
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        coal smoke as Claude stated....

        Let me guess, your house is all electric.....you realize that comes from gas or coal or nukes, personally I'd take gas then nukes...coal is the killer.

        Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
        I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
        Emiliano Zapata

        by buddabelly on Mon Dec 30, 2013 at 11:44:26 AM PST

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        •  Whatever buddabelly. (0+ / 0-)

          So four of you came to my diary.

          To disrupt it with your notions and opinions about how other people should feel about a huge gas pipeline running through their neighborhoods.

          First of all, what has my diary, to do with you and what you believe? Sorry to break it to you, but I don't care.

          Second, if you want people to hear what you think, write your own diaries!

          Finally, I spent years researching spectra and days completing this diary.

          Who are you; to come here, and argue this issue with me?

          You like natural gas, you keep it.

          We don't want it in NJ and NYC.

          All this yakking about your opinions only serves to obfuscate this issue. Is that your intent?

          Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

          by rebel ga on Mon Dec 30, 2013 at 12:40:21 PM PST

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      •  actually, I live in one of the four counties (1+ / 0-)
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        in NM that have either banned gas exploration and fracking or has the controversy raging within the County Government.  

        Not that I delude myself into thinking such bans will hold up in court.

        How aged are the other many existing natural gas pipelines that supply NYC?  Do you feel OK about their age, condition and safety?  If no new pipelines are built to replace the old ones, what happens when they fail,  or there is no gas in the middle of winter?

        You do realize that all infrastructure has a usable lifespan, beyond which it has to be replaced or renewed, while the millions of lives that are supported by these infrastructures go on all around it?

        Do you know where all the existing pipelines are, or what is already threatened by their locations in the event of failure?

        Complexities,  complexities...

        give my fond regards to the City of my birth, and thank you for caring about it all.  I lived at 131 Thompson Street during 1951-52, and walked to 1st Grade at  PS #8 on King Street just west of 6th Avenue.  That was the year they changed it to Avenue of the Americas, iirc.

        don't always believe what you think

        by claude on Mon Dec 30, 2013 at 08:43:26 PM PST

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        •  Yes Claude, the old, existing gas infrastructure (1+ / 0-)
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          is a concern.

          Con ed should be examining and fixing what's old and needs to be replaced. Not bringing in more, unwanted pipelines.

          Bayonne, Jersey City, Hoboken, and the middle of the West Village, are not appropriate places for a pipeline, that will pump 800 million cubic feet of gas a day.

          This is not the ordinary kind of gas line that brings natural gas to homes. Besides the fact, it's using frecked gas that is full of radon.

          I ♥ NYC

          Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

          by rebel ga on Tue Dec 31, 2013 at 05:53:14 AM PST

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          •  I am trying to visualize a route that brings gas (1+ / 0-)
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            (or any daily commodity) into the center of a densely populated metro region of 10 million or so folks that doesn't go through a lot of back yards.

            It does indeed take a large high-pressure gas pipeline to provide enough fuel to heat millions of homes.  What is the immediate safe alternative?

            Here in some places in NM we have free radon provided right out of the ground, no pipeline required.  Residents are advised to not live in unventilated basement rooms.

             

            don't always believe what you think

            by claude on Tue Dec 31, 2013 at 06:51:29 AM PST

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  •  I have to say that this story which may be (0+ / 0-)

    compelling, is just so convoluted and full of distracting asides (like I am sure that your grandfather was a great guy, but what does he have to do with this story), that I have trouble following what the writer is saying about this pipeline.  Is it a good thing or is it a bad thing?  There are so many distractions in this story that I am having trouble following what this writer is trying to say.  Please clean this up so that it is understandable.

    And it feels like I'm livin'in the wasteland of the free ~ Iris DeMent, 1996

    by MrJersey on Thu Jan 02, 2014 at 09:22:23 PM PST

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