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Michele Bachmann and Ted Cruz
Michele Bachmann may soon be gone, but in Teddy, she will live on
For somebody who figured out how to shut down the United States Government, this is a funny problem to have:
OTTAWA - U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz vowed months ago to renounce his Canadian citizenship. It's now 2014, and the Calgary-born Republican lawmaker is still a dual citizen.

"I have retained counsel that is preparing the paperwork to renounce the citizenship," the junior Texas senator, who's eyeing a run for president in 2016, said in a recent interview with the Dallas Morning News.

He didn't dispute holding dual citizenship: "Not at this point," Cruz told the paper.

The man can't even figure out how to quit being half-Canadian and yet he thinks he can be the guy to lead diplomatic relations with Australia?

Yikes. Just wait until New Zealand becomes an issue.

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  •  Better keep that Canadian passport, Ted... (31+ / 0-)

    You may need it when you exhaust the good will of the majority of the people in the United States.

    And they have Single Payer Universal, too, bub.

    Ugh. --UB.

    "Daddy, every time a bell rings, a Randian Libertaria­n picks up his Pan Am tickets for the Libertaria­n Paradise of West Dakota!"

    by unclebucky on Mon Jan 06, 2014 at 04:49:07 PM PST

  •  what is so difficult about it (15+ / 0-)

    that he needs lawyers to do the paperwork first? (Or any of the other excuses he's used in the last several months for why he hasn't done it yet.)

    (Is it time for the pitchforks and torches yet?)

    by PJEvans on Mon Jan 06, 2014 at 04:51:00 PM PST

  •  Dump Cruz, and tell Perry and others (7+ / 0-)

    to allow Medicaid aid from ARA.

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    by divineorder on Mon Jan 06, 2014 at 04:51:07 PM PST

  •  These crackpots would be funny if it wasn't... (7+ / 0-)

    ... for the fact that millions of other crackpots take them seriously.

  •  Calgary long ago got over this nitwit (7+ / 0-)

    All y'all should, too.

    "You do know Jesus wasn't born in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, right?" - Jon Stewart, giving push-back on "the white thing" to Faux News' Megyn Kelly.

    by lotac on Mon Jan 06, 2014 at 04:51:58 PM PST

  •  Take him please!! (7+ / 0-)

    He is not worthy...

    "Love is what we were born with. Fear is what we learned here." Marianne Williamson

    by Canadian Green Card Alien on Mon Jan 06, 2014 at 04:52:18 PM PST

  •  Cal Cruz! (3+ / 0-)
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    If that ain't a used car salesman's name...

    Come On Down, Folks!!!

    You can get anywhere in life if you'll simply take the time to learn how to kiss ass correctly. Unfortunately, you have to live with yourself thereafter. If Republicans and some others here and there have taught us anything: it's that. Best of luck!

    by franklyn on Mon Jan 06, 2014 at 04:54:05 PM PST

  •  I wish Canada would just announce that they're (5+ / 0-)

    revoking his citizenship already.  Watching him sue for the right to reject it because having it stripped from him wouldn't look good will be entertaining as hell.

    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

    by darthstar on Mon Jan 06, 2014 at 04:55:03 PM PST

  •  I don't get it. (4+ / 0-)
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    Is this a moot point (for show) or is there a provision in the Constitution that prevents a person with dual citizenship from being POTUS.

    It is ridiculous to pretend that firing teachers based on student test scores, starting charter schools, giving out vouchers or implementing merit pay will overcome the challenges facing a child living in poverty. -Jersey Jazzman

    by Desert Rose on Mon Jan 06, 2014 at 04:57:53 PM PST

    •  the lawyer's art... (5+ / 0-)

      This is a little more complicated than you might imagine.

      The Constitution says that the President must be a natural born citizen, and this is broadly understood to mean that you must be born on US soil. Cruz doesn't qualify (nether does John McCain for that matter) but an alternate theory is that natural born citizen might also mean the child of a US citizen.

      Cruz must be sure to extinguish his Canadian citizenship in a way that never admits that he ever was a Canadian citizen.

      This is why we love/hate lawyers.....

      •  McCain was a Zonian (7+ / 0-)

           He was born in the former Panama Canal Zone, which was a U.S. territory at the time. He would have been eligible to be president, except for his inability to pick a qualified running mate...

        Diehard Swingnut, disgruntled Democrat, age 55, CA-30

        by Zack from the SFV on Mon Jan 06, 2014 at 07:47:57 PM PST

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      •  OK I get it, Like a non-apology sorta (0+ / 0-)

        I'm sorry that to anyone who thought I was a Canadian citizen just because I happened to be born there but despite international law I never considered myself to be anything but a true citizen of Texas.  No, wait....I mean.....

        A bad idea isn't responsible for those who believe it. ---Stephen Cannell

        by YellerDog on Mon Jan 06, 2014 at 11:18:05 PM PST

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      •  Child of a US citizen (0+ / 0-)

        If both parents are US citizens, the child is automatically a natural-born US citizen (according to 8 USC § 1401).

        In Cruz's case, only one parent (his mother) was a US citizen. In that case, he's only a cizen if his mom resided in the US for at least 5 years after she turned 14.

        It's pretty likely that she did (although this has not been proved). So it's pretty likely (but not proved) that Cruz is a natural-born citizen.

    •  Optics (3+ / 0-)
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      The Constitution doesn't prevent someone with dual citizenship from running.

      Cruz thinks the optics will be bad if he is a dual citizen when he makes his run--at least among his potential base supporters for the primaries.

    •  Cruz, once he has figured out how to fill in the (1+ / 0-)
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      forms to renounce.  And once his renunciation is accepted by Canada, will have to take either the same oath as immigrants who have bone through the naturalization process or one very like it.

      That makes him a "naturalized" citizen not a natural citizen.
      That may be what part of his problem is, he wants to recognized as a "natural" born American and he may not fit the definition of "natural" born.

      I am in no way a lawyer but it is my understanding that there are laws that get around that for the children of military and diplomats etc. who are dual citizens at birth.  

      •  Not naturalized (3+ / 0-)
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        Ted Cruz was a dual citizen at birth: a citizen of Canada because he was born in Canada, and a citizen of the United States, because his American mother automatically transmitted her citizenship to him.

        As long as his mother was a U.S. citizen who had resided in the U.S. for at least ten years before his birth (five years after the age of fourteen), she could transmit citizenship to him. Since she was born and raised in Delaware, she probably meets that residence requirement, no problem.

        Renouncing Canadian citizenship leaves him with one citizenship, his U.S. citizenship at birth.

        Nothing that Canada does will affect the U.S. laws governing his citizenship.

      •  Not all children born to US parents living abroad (0+ / 0-)

        have or can even get dual citizenship.  Such dual citizenship is granted, or not, depending on the citizenship laws of the country the children are born in.  Many citizenship laws are based on whether or not the child can claim relation to the birth country by virtue of having an ancestor from that country.

        My youngest was born in Germany, and the mayor of the town he was born in visited and asked if either I or my husband were members of the Volk; since I had my grandparents wedding certificate from the US indicating my grandfather was born in Austria, he was considered by the mayor to be one of the Volk, and he strongly encouraged us to apply for our son's dual citizenship.

      •  Nope. (0+ / 0-)

        He was a US citizen at birth.

        He can't be a naturalized US citizen without first renouncing his US citizenship and becoming an immigrant.

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        by opendna on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 01:54:39 AM PST

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    •  It would be terrible politics for a presidential (3+ / 0-)
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      campaign. Fatal in a GOP primary.

    •  Cruz is half Canadian, half Kenyan. What's the (4+ / 0-)
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      problem?

      •  If Cruz was born in Canada, he's 100% Canadian. (0+ / 0-)

        He might also be 100% American and 100% Cuban depending on the laws of those two countries. Canada wouldn't have a problem if he had U.S. and Cuban citizenship.

        Culturally, he's 50% American and 50% Cuban.

        BTW, one exception to the "born in Canada" rule applies to a child born in Canada of a foreign diplomat which doesn't appear to apply to Cruz. Another bizarre case is Princess Margriet of the Netherlands who was born in Ottawa during WWII while her royal parents were in exile - legislation was passed to designate the Ottawa maternity ward as being outside of Canada!

  •  Might not be able to get security clearance (4+ / 0-)
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    as Calgary Cruz has not renounced Canadian citizenship and has acted against the interests of the USA by twice voting for GW Bush and endangering national security by the government shutdown.

  •  Ummm....I believe Mr. Cruz has a problem. (10+ / 0-)

    In order to reject Canadian citizenship, he must prove that he has citizenship in another country.  Now how, exactly, could he do this?  Simply showing his mother's American birth certificate along with his Canadian birth certificate would not suffice.  His mother would have had to have registered his birth with the US Canadian embassy.  In that case he would have then been issued an American certificate of citizenship.  That is all he would need to produce for the Canadians in his application to reject Canadian citizenship.  Could it be he does not have this document?

    Schadenfreude, thy name is Ted Cruz/GOP.

    •  That's what I am beginning to wonder (6+ / 0-)

      Did his parents miss a step here?  Yep, schadenfreude.

      The thing about democracy, beloveds, is that it is not neat, orderly, or quiet. It requires a certain relish for confusion. Molly Ivins

      by MufsMom on Mon Jan 06, 2014 at 05:16:56 PM PST

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      •  If he was born in the boonies in the oil patch (0+ / 0-)

        he may not have documentation to prove citizenship of either country or prove who his mother was.

        •  He wasn't born in the boonies (2+ / 0-)
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          Ted Cruz was born in Calgary, which is not in the boonies. Some reports say he was born in Foothills Hospital in Calgary, which is close to the University of Calgary campus and about fifteen minutes from downtown Calgary, where the U.S. consulate is located.

          The oil patch in Calgary isn't where they produce the oil and gas--it's where they harvest the money. It has always had a whole lot of American citizens, and all of them--at least all who have babies--know what you have to do to get your newborn's American citizenship recognized.

    •  Wait (7+ / 0-)

      You mean Cruz might not be a citizen? If that's the case, he's been committing voter fraud all these years? Not to mention that he might have gotten aid for college and not really have been eligible...

      This could get REAL interesting

    •  U.S. passport would work (1+ / 0-)
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      It is the State Department that would have determined whether Baby Ted got U.S. citizenship through Mom.

      She would have gotten a passport when she was applying for a visa (probably landed immigrant status). She would also have had to supply proof she had lived in the U.S. for at least ten years before the baby was born.

      If Ted Cruz has his own U.S. passport now, he can use that to prove he has another citizenship.

      I'd be very surprised if the Cruzes failed to go downtown to the U.S. consulate to fill out the forms and submit their evidence of Mrs. Cruz's citizenship and residence. There have always been a lot of American citizens working in the oil patch in Calgary, so consulate staff have always had plenty of experience with these applications.

      •  Yes, IF he has an American passport, that should (0+ / 0-)

        be sufficient.  Do we know this to be the case?

        From the eligibility requirements and the application on the Canadian website, that is the only thing I can see that could possibly trip him up:  Proving American (or other) citizenship.

        Other than that, there would be no need to retain a lawyer.

        •  Haven't seen it myself (0+ / 0-)

          While I haven't seen Ted Cruz's passport myself, I am pretty confident that he would not have started the renunciation process in Canada--knowing they would ask to see documents confirming his citizenship elsewhere--if he didn't have a passport or other proof of citizenship.

          The State Department confirms in writing that a baby born abroad is indeed considered a U.S. citizen. Parents can also apply for a passport for the new baby.

          The U.S. consulate in Calgary has done a brisk business for decades in helping Americans residing in Alberta, Saskatchewan, the territories, etc., file the paperwork with the State Department. I find it difficult to believe that two well-educated American parents living in Calgary forgot to take Baby Ted downtown to the consulate, with all their documents, to do the paperwork.

    •  He must have a US passport (1+ / 0-)
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      aren't those Senators always jetting off on some fact-finding mission?

    •  I've been suggesting for a while that we need to (6+ / 0-)

      see his copy of Report of Birth Abroad, issued by the US Department of State through either a US embassy or consular office in the country where the child was born. This document is proof of US citizenship and is used to obtain a US passport &/or to enter school in the US.
      I registered both of my children with the US embassies in the countries where they were born. They needed this document to obtain their passports so they could get back into the US, but they were born in Asia, not Canada.  
      It's possible Mrs. Cruz never applied for the certificate, since crossing the border between the US and Canada years ago was pretty easy--sometimes it didn't require any identification at all. And didn't Mr. Cruz Sr. say that he had "sneaked into" the US when they finally decided they wanted to live here?
      So I say--Rafael, produce the form. If you lost it, you can apply for a duplicate.
      Show us. Prove it.

    •  This is correct. (1+ / 0-)
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      Parent must make a report of the child's birth using the DS Form 2029 and furnish the following documents:

      "The child’s foreign birth certificate.

      "Proof of citizenship of the U.S. citizen parent(s). Your current passport is the preferred form of proof. Your U.S. birth certificate or naturalization certificate is also acceptable.

      "Proof of the relationship between the U.S. citizen parent(s) and the child. Your child’s birth certificate with both parents’ names on it is the best form of proof.

      "If you are married, we need to see proof. If you have prior marriages, we need to see proof of how those marriages ended.

      "A statement from either U.S. citizen parent and evidence that she/he lived in the U.S. long enough to transmit citizenship to her/his child. The statement you give is called an Affidavit of Parentage, Physical Presence, and Support."

      (Taken from http://travel.state.gov/...)

      Even though mr dks was in the Army, we had to provide these documents, including proof of former divorce, and evidence of living in the US long enough to transmit citizenship, not always easy for peripatetic military families. Each overseas military base has a whole office to handle the filing of these documents, and until those documents are completed, filed, and documented, the child cannot get a passport to leave that overseas location with its parents.

  •  Wait just a second there! (3+ / 0-)
    lead diplomatic relations with Australia?
    Where did that come from??

    Of course, since Australia just elected a wing nut government of really astonishing levels of incompetence and shoot-from-the-hipness, maybe he would be the right guy.

    Voting is the means by which the public is distracted from the realities of power and its exercise.

    by Anne Elk on Mon Jan 06, 2014 at 05:10:51 PM PST

  •  I know I'm getting old. How is Cruz eligible (2+ / 0-)
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    to run for POTUS? I always understood that the candidates had to be born in the USA. There were exceptions. Where's this Cruz clown fitting in here? Thanks for the explanation.

    Through thoughts, words and actions, we live the truth we know. -- L. Spencer

    by orlbucfan on Mon Jan 06, 2014 at 05:16:08 PM PST

    •  Natural born (2+ / 0-)
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      The Supreme Court hasn't ruled on this.

      However, a lot of experts in the field think that a person who is a U.S. citizen at birth meets the definition. One way to do that is to be born in the U.S., though there are interesting quirks about what counts as "the U.S." and what doesn't.

      A child born outside the U.S. to a parent who is a U.S. citizen generally gets U.S. citizenship at birth, through transmission from the citizen parent.

      There are some rules that say the parent has to have lived in the U.S. for a certain amount of time (ten years, five years), but those rules normally won't be a problem for someone like Mrs. Cruz, who was born and raised in the U.S.

      •  No one challenged McCain on it (4+ / 0-)
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        he was born in the Panama Canal Zone, of US parents.

        •  Oh, the question was raised back in 2008.... (1+ / 0-)
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          ...and the conclusions were similarly murky. I recall reading with fascination what appeared to be a quite convincing argument that McCain was ineligible to be president. It was, of course, impossible to believe that the Supreme Court would deny him the office on this kind of legal technicality had he been elected then, but there was plenty of speculation.

        •  Actually The Zone was considered US Territory for (2+ / 0-)
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          citizenship purposes.

          cf. http://www.law.cornell.edu/...

          (a) Any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this chapter, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States.
          (b) Any person born in the Republic of Panama on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this chapter, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States employed by the Government of the United States or by the Panama Railroad Company, or its successor in title, is declared to be a citizen of the United States.
          •  Passed after his birth (0+ / 0-)

            I believe those sections of federal law were passed after McCain was born.

            The Panama Canal Zone was a case unto itself: it was a very weird situation, a complete anomaly. A child born in the Canal Zone to U.S. citizens was not born in the U.S., nor did the child get citizenship through the parents. Hence, Congress passed the legislation to fix it, but after the birth of John McCain. (Little did they know....)

            So the argument is that John McCain did not become a U.S. citizen at the moment of his birth, but retroactively became one, thanks to the legislation you quote.

            The only reason that's important is that it affects somebody born in the Canal Zone, too early, who wants to run for president--which is just that one human being.

            I thought that Congress did the right thing in passing a resolution that they considered McCain eligible to serve as president. It would take forever to take a case through the courts.

            Back in 2008, I looked up the sources that someone with actual expertise referred to, and it made sense, in a bizarre way.

        •  McCain's Dad was on Military assignment for US (0+ / 0-)

          in Panama Zone. Cruz' Dad isn't military, is he?

      •  Not only that, but it very unlikely (1+ / 0-)
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        the court would ever rule on it. I think the issue of standing might be a problem - ie the only party that could bring a challenge to a candidate about whether they are a natural born citizen or not, would have to have been aggrieved in some way. Many have interpreted this to mean that only a rival candidate could challenge someone's citizenship, and the political optics of that would be terrible.

        So I suspect the only time the court may take this up is if someone who is a naturalized citizen runs for the Presidency and a primary opponent decided to challenge them for the good of their party - I can't imagine a general election opponent doing so - it would seem like they were trying to win the presidency on a technicality.

        And let's not even get into the question of whether or not said challenge could be brought before the candidate were elected - if they haven't been elected yet, then has the aggrieved party been aggrieved yet?

        It would be a political mess even in the best of circumstances, and a legal/governing mess in the worse of circumstances.

      •  I believe she was required to have lived (1+ / 0-)
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        in the US for 10 years after the age of 14. And she should have had to document that.

        •  Five years after the age of 14 (1+ / 0-)
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          At that time, the parent had to have resided in the U.S. for ten years minimum, with at least five years after the age of fourteen.

          I don't know much about her biography, but since she was born and raised in Delaware, and got one or more degrees in Texas, I think odds are good she met the residence requirements.

          People submit things like high school or university transcripts, proof of employment, etc., to show where they resided.

        •  That is the question that needs to be answered. (1+ / 0-)
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          How old was his mother when she moved to Canada? After the eruption of birtherism in 2008, which was completely bogus, I am feeling a bit like a Cheshire Cat about this new situation.

          the future begins

          by zozie on Mon Jan 06, 2014 at 10:20:58 PM PST

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          •  She was old enough. (0+ / 0-)

            She was in her 30s. Remember: she graduated from Rice U before she got married and moved to Canada, which is pretty hard to do before you turn 19.

            Besides, Cruz has had a US passport since 1986. That closes the question of his citizenship.

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            by opendna on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 02:19:45 AM PST

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  •  He just can't give up the poutine. n/t (4+ / 0-)

    I'm not always political, but when I am I vote Democratic. Stay Democratic, my friends. -The Most Interesting Man in the World

    by boran2 on Mon Jan 06, 2014 at 05:19:39 PM PST

  •  Yeah, but his daddy is still a Kubyan. (2+ / 0-)
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  •  Carnival Cruz at The Battle of Lake Champlain (1+ / 0-)
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    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013

    by annieli on Mon Jan 06, 2014 at 05:22:30 PM PST

  •  A couple of years ago The Canadian government... (1+ / 0-)
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    clarified citizenship issues. Apparently many Americans going overseas were saying they were Canadian citizens, so the Canadian Government re xtended citizenship to former Canadian citizens who renounced their citizenship to become American citizens. Also the first born of such people are now considered Canadian citizens. So now My mother who was born in Canada now has dual citizenship as well as me. So i think Cruz trying to renounce his Canadian citizenship will be problematic cuz even if you renounce it you are still stuck with it. The Canadian government will probable give him all kinds of hurdles to jump through because of this recent changes in policy which occurred in 2009. This proves yet again what a HUGE ASSHOLE Ted Cruz is!!!!I wonder why in the early 2000s Americans would say they were Canadian????

    America, We blow stuff up!!

    by IndyinDelaware on Mon Jan 06, 2014 at 05:23:27 PM PST

    •  heck, I have a (0+ / 0-)

      great-grandfather who was born in Canada. Can I use him and his parents? (My sister-in-law has some, also.)

      (Is it time for the pitchforks and torches yet?)

      by PJEvans on Mon Jan 06, 2014 at 05:34:55 PM PST

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      •  Probable not it only applies to people born in (0+ / 0-)

        Canada and their first born generation. They do extend it to children of the second gen but they have to go to Canada and do paperwork before turning 28 etc. I am posting the video that was put out by the Canadian Govt with more info you can check it out but as far as i know it only goes to 2nd gen and thats it

        America, We blow stuff up!!

        by IndyinDelaware on Mon Jan 06, 2014 at 05:43:13 PM PST

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    •  Heres a video of "Waking up Canadian" (0+ / 0-)

      http://www.youtube.com/.... Also Canada is great visit and the people are way cool!!!!

      America, We blow stuff up!!

      by IndyinDelaware on Mon Jan 06, 2014 at 05:45:06 PM PST

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    •  Probably a lot simpler for Cruz (0+ / 0-)

      Ted Cruz's situation is a much simpler situation than your family situation, if your mother, born in Canada, renounced her citizenship, and if you were born outside Canada.

      Ted Cruz's situation is the simple, classic one of being born in Canada, which recognizes citizenship of anyone born within Canada. Neither he nor his parents renounced citizenship (until now). He got both U.S. citizenship and Canadian citizenship at birth.

      The 2009 law recognizes as citizens the children born outside Canada to Canadian citizens, as long as they are the first generation. So if a Canadian citizen, who was born outside Canada, leaves Canada, and has a child, also born outside Canada, that child will be recognized as Canadian. But the second generation--the children of that child--won't be considered Canadian citizens if they are born outside Canada. In short: none of that applies to Ted Cruz, born in Canada.

      •  The point i was trying to make on this... (1+ / 0-)
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        was that my mother had to renounce her Canadian citizenship in 1959?? to become an American citizen. Under the 2009 policy such an action by a former citizen was ignored. So how do you renounce the unrenounecable???Of course this is complicated and Ted Cruz is still an ass! I have asked my relatives in Canada about this and they dont want him So he will probable get his wish at some point..

        America, We blow stuff up!!

        by IndyinDelaware on Mon Jan 06, 2014 at 06:13:54 PM PST

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      •  My understanding is he got US citizenship at birth (1+ / 0-)
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        if his mother registered the birth properly.
        If she didn't, he might not be a citizen.

      •  Yes. This change in policy has caused a number of (0+ / 0-)

        problem to ex-pat Canadians.

        The change was a knee jerk reaction by the Harper government as a result of having to evacuate Canadian Citizens from Lebanon during the 2006 conflict.

        http://ccrweb.ca/...

    •  Not only in the early 2000s (0+ / 0-)

      Canadians were much more simpatico to many foreigners than are Americans.

      Canada also got Americans and maybe others out of Iran after the fall of the Shah.

  •  Once he renounces Canadian status (7+ / 0-)

    ...he needs to demonstrate that he qualifies for "natural-born" citizenship in the US.

    Long form only, please.

    America, we can do better than this...

    by Randomfactor on Mon Jan 06, 2014 at 05:24:04 PM PST

  •  The BC he showed was not an official (3+ / 0-)
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    looking document.
    It looked more like a graduation certificate from grade school.

    So maybe he is having trouble proving he is a Canadian citizen.  Of put another way that the was actually born in Canada.  
    He can't prove he was born in the US, because of no BC.  If he can't prove he was born in Canada then he can't renounce a citizenship he never had, but he can't be an American citizen unless he can prove his mother was his mother.
    Which he can't do if there is not ligit birth registration under Canadian law.

    If he was born in the oil patch there may be not documents.  

    I know it is kind  of mean of me but I would find that hilarious if it is true.

    •  Mean of you? (0+ / 0-)

      They just went after Barack since the moment he entered the primary, pretending he's born in Kenya and saying he's not eligible for president. They didn't care that he was born in Hawaii. If their new hero isn't an American citizen, and they want him to be president, it isn't mean to find that hilarious. It's irony that's too good -not- to laugh at it.

  •  A conversation: (1+ / 0-)
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    Australian diplomat: "Mr. Cruz, dinner will be delayed because we are having problems with the barbie."

    Mr. Cruz: "That Sarah Palin is a problem for you also, eh?"

    The United States for All Americans

    by TakeSake on Mon Jan 06, 2014 at 05:46:03 PM PST

  •  Position paper: "Negotiating a new ANZAC pact... (0+ / 0-)

    ...will be WAY easier if I can do half the negotiations myself."

    The word "parent" is supposed to be a VERB, people...

    by wesmorgan1 on Mon Jan 06, 2014 at 05:53:05 PM PST

  •  competence doesn't seem to be (0+ / 0-)

    his strong suit.

  •  Everybody, including 100% of the media and (6+ / 0-)

    almost 100% percent of the people here are missing the point that all of this is a smokescreen designed to obscure the fact that he was probably not a U.S. citizen at birth, and therefore is not a "natural born" citizen eligible to be president under the Constitution.

    I'm working on a big LTE to the NYT on this, but I'm so disgusted I may never finish it.

  •  Cruz wants to be a man with only half a country? (0+ / 0-)

    Poor loser-in-futuro can never not have been a Canadian citizen. Then again, hockey fans may understand.

    2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

    by TRPChicago on Mon Jan 06, 2014 at 06:06:25 PM PST

  •  He's Just Reserving the Right to Lie (1+ / 0-)
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    He didn't dispute holding dual citizenship: "Not at this point," Cruz told the paper.

    That simply means that when the paper asked whether he's a dual citizen, he wouldn't dispute it. But only at this point - reserving the right to dispute in the future whether he's a dual citizen. Whether he changes that by then or not is irrelevant.

    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

    by DocGonzo on Mon Jan 06, 2014 at 06:13:08 PM PST

  •  I wonder what rock the "birthers" might crawl (3+ / 0-)
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    out from under, were Cruz actually to run for President.
    Of should that be "crawl back under"?

    Cuban Father?  Canadian Mother?  Born North of the Border?  And the man claims American Citizenship as a "natural born"?

    Oh, well!  The Teabaghead/Republiklan Party is hardly known for either intelligence or consistency - except, perhaps, for the consistency of being always AGAINST IT, if that is, it be something for the general welfare, common good, progressive, or otherwise worthwhile.  

    This one could become even more hilarious than the "birther" nonsense about our current President has been all along.

    Yeah!  Better have a good lawyer to get it all figured out.

    We've made a lot of progress in the past 75 years; and the Republicans have been AGAINST every bit of it.

  •  Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz Talking (2+ / 0-)
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    Sarah: Ted, you should totally run for president – it’s your density !

    Ted: You mean destiny

    Sarah: I was never mean to Destiny. Wait, who’s Destiny?

    Ted: Destiny is when you are meant to do something

    Sarah: Like when i meant to NOT get interviewed by Katie Couric, but then i DID get interviewed by Katie Couric?

    Ted: I’m starting to see why people want me to run and not you

    Sarah: Benghazi!

    :)

    My blog is at www.imallwrite.com

    by Drewbai on Mon Jan 06, 2014 at 06:30:08 PM PST

  •  In an ideal world, Cruz and the GOP (2+ / 0-)
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    would have a problem with Obama birthers. It's going to be interesting to watch this process as it moves along. Then the fun begins! The Republican primary parade will be the traveling Theater of the Absurd!

  •  Cruz Canadian Candidate for PM (2+ / 0-)
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    Maybe Cruz doesn't really want to be president but would rather run for PM in Canada? lol. From what Canada says, it is a very simple form. So does Cruz have an American passport? Does he even actually have US citizenship? Was his mother really a US citizen when he was born in Canada? Where is the Donald when we really need him.

  •  Win-win (0+ / 0-)

    Hey, it's a win-win situation.  When he loses his Canadian citizenship, the average IQ of both Canada and Texas will increase!

  •  Denouncing Canadian citizenship is not so easy... (4+ / 0-)

    It's actually a complicated process.
    First you have to eat a full plate of pancakes without maple syrup.
    After that you need to swear that there are not now, nor have their ever been, actors or comedians in Hollywood that were from Canada. And you must deny being able to list every singe one of them when in the presence of someone from the US
    You need to take an oath that you will stop putting "u" in places where it does not belong.
    Of course you need to denounce the merits of single payer healthcare, quasi-legal weed, marriage equality, legalized prostitution, and other stuff
    You will need to deny that a bunch of Canadian lumberjacks sacked Washington DC in 1814
    You need to stare at a bowl of poutine for 30 minutes without eating it

    There are a few more, but the final test is quite possibly the hardest one for any Canadian attempting to renounce their citizenship: You must listen to the following joke WITHOUT laughing.....  
    "How do you get 25 Canadians out of a swimming pool?
    Hey you 25 Canadians, get out of the swimming pool"

    Canadians are hard wired to laugh at that - i think its part of their DN,eh

    Salut

    My blog is at www.imallwrite.com

    by Drewbai on Mon Jan 06, 2014 at 06:47:06 PM PST

    •  Joke Punchline s/b: "Please get out of the pool" (0+ / 0-)

      It's a reference to Canadians' formal politeness. Canadians are genetically programmed to say SORRY - rhymes with Tory not Tarry - even when it's not needed.

      Don't be misled, Canadian politeness is better expressed by the joke: "I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out."  

  •  run, ted, run! e/m (1+ / 0-)
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  •  Wouldn't it be freaking crazy if Canada (1+ / 0-)
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    OleHippieChick

    would refuse to allow his renouncement of Canadian citizenship?

    Hello, no Presidential run for Calgary Cruz.

    In the time it took Adam Lanza to reload, eleven children escaped. What if...

    by Sixty Something on Mon Jan 06, 2014 at 07:04:50 PM PST

  •  Thanks. (0+ / 0-)

    I needed a good laugh to close out my day. :D

    Trickle-down theory; the less than elegant metaphor that if one feeds the horse enough oats, some will pass through to the road for the sparrows. - J.K. Galbraith

    by Eric Twocents on Mon Jan 06, 2014 at 07:19:35 PM PST

  •  Cruz doesn't know how to find Australia on (2+ / 0-)
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    a map. And I doubt he knows New Zealand exists.

  •  There was a recent article about this (5+ / 0-)
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    Sue B, dksbook, TKO333, opendna, OleHippieChick

    in the Toronto Globe and Mail.  I don't have a link but they interviewed a prominent immigration lawyer who stated that this is the easiest of all immigration matters to act on.  It's simple and takes very little time and paperwork.  The inference was that we don't want to make it difficult for people who want to renounce citizenship on the basis thata we don't want people who don't want to be here.  This guy has taken months and has hired lawyers.  Something's fishy.  On the other hand, the comments on the article were pretty much unanimous.  We'd like him gone.

  •  Article (1+ / 0-)
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    txdoubledd

    Daily Kos, I love you; however....Ted Cruz can't even figure out the moral of a childhood book designed for grades K-2!

  •  Here's why the attorneys... (4+ / 0-)

    I had a long chat with a friend at State when this first became a story, and he was kind enough to educate me in the way foreign birth registrations work.

    As previous posters have mentioned, when an American citizen has a child born abroad, they must register the birth for the child to have citizenship. However, there is no official required timeframe in which to file that form.

    The US recognizes dual citizenship.  This means that an American citizen mother could apply for a passport for her child, who possesses a Canadian birth certificate but has not had their foreign birth registered, and that child could receive an American passport.  Such passport may then be renewed and used as proof of citizenship much the same as a American birth certificate or the form registering the foreign birth.

    pure speculation from this point forward The most likely scenario, then, which would recommend the use of an attorney is that Ted's birth was never registered.  Is it ridiculous that his parents would not have done it?  Of course.  How many people have let their driver's license expire simply because they hadn't been down to the DMV to renew it?  This is the citizenship equivalent--it didn't have to be done for any practical purpose, so they just didn't do it.  

    So now he's raised a lot of noise about the "natural born citizen" thing, and finds himself holding American citizenship in the exact way BO would hold citizenship had he actually been born in Kenya. Best way to avoid that very allegation?  Having his birth registered, of course.

    Due to some extenuating "family values" circumstance that no one will dare question, it will come out that Mrs. Cruz didn't properly register the birth; the form will be completed and filed, and the consulate to which the application is submitted will make the determination as to whether Cruz was eligible to acquire US citizenship "at birth," and thus a natural born citizen.  He will then not be required to make any sort of oath to the US upon relinquishing his Canadian citizenship.

    No, he doesn't need an attorney to file the paperwork, he needs an attorney to have a clerk do the Con Law research to make sure there isn't some precedent somewhere that will mess this up. And he needs the time to sniff out the consulate most likely to sympathize with his politics, and to push the thing through relatively quietly so that he can gleefully announce--probably on "Constitution Day"--that he is, in fact, and natural-born US citizen.

  •  Incredulously, blatantly lying....again. (2+ / 0-)
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    How in the world does this man get away with his lying?

      He is a Harvard Law School graduate, graduating magna cum laude.  If that isn't enough, he also earned a Juris Doctor.  This is a professional doctorate and is earned by completing law school in the U.S., Canada, and Australia, and other common law countries.

    Now, really.  This man can't figure out, nor his hired lawyers,  how to denounce his Canadian citizenship?  Come on.

    This guy has a real character flaw.  I don't care how "brilliant" he is.  He will sell his soul to succeed.

  •  I wish I did have dual Canadian/US citizenship. (1+ / 0-)
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    OleHippieChick

    Who wouldn't?  I you always have free medical, and most important, a bolt hole when the world finally gets fed up with US exceptionalism.  There are already many places where it's safer to have a (red I believe) CN Passport than our blue thingy.  

    PS_ The issue really isn't about how easy it is to renounce.  It's how to create a legal fiction that allows you to run for president when you were born elsewhere.  And of course the irony of doing so with a straight face as a Tea Party birther.  Although I don't personally know that Teddy has made birther statements I have read those made by his father who will play the role of the Most Reverend Wright in this continuing soap opera.

    A bad idea isn't responsible for those who believe it. ---Stephen Cannell

    by YellerDog on Mon Jan 06, 2014 at 11:41:10 PM PST

  •  Please, please, please... (0+ / 0-)

    ...do not send him back. 8-)

  •  What difference does it make? (0+ / 0-)

    Cruz can't become President no matter what he renounces.
    If he was as smart as he thinks he is, he would move back and become a force in Canadian conservative politics.
    Since Canadians vote for the party, not a person, and the party decides who will lead the country from within it's membership, Cruz stands a far better chance at becoming Prime Minister than President.

    Canada has some awesomely dim witted conservative leaders, but even Canadian conservatives may have their limits. Cruz' arrogance isn't an admirable trait up there.

    Right many are called, and damn few are chosen.

    by Idaho07 on Tue Jan 07, 2014 at 02:10:51 AM PST

  •  Birther Movement. (0+ / 0-)

    Unlike Obama who WAS born in an American state, this man was born in Canada and is not and should not be able to become president of the U.S.  Not to mention he's unfit to be president.

     I have nothing against Canadians, I'm only once removed from that lineage but after all the TP did with their birther movement that was totally unfounded, Cruz really is not an American by birth and deserves to be the birther's next target...where is Orly Taitz when a real birth issue comes along?  Oh that's right, she's one of Putin's girls.  

  •  Passport, security clearance, drivers license? (0+ / 0-)

    This may seem like a simple question but if Cruz ever applied for a passport, had to undergo a security clearance for being a US Senator or even applied for a drivers license, he would have to supply a birth certificate.  Since he was born in Canada this would be a Canadian certificate.  Is he trying to convince us that his dual citizenship is a sudden problem he had no idea about?  Isn't there a conspiracy theory that would cover this topic?

    •  passport, security clearance, drivers' license (0+ / 0-)

       When I got my first driver's license in CT, I did not have to supply a birth certificate. And, US citizens don't have to undergo a security clearance to become a senator.
      If he has had a US passport since infancy, it may just have been regularly renewed without a bc.

      All details, of course, but the real fun will start when it comes out that Mom and Dad weren't legally married.

       I have no information to support that theory but I do hope the conspiracy folks will run with it....

  •  Ted Cruz is... (0+ / 0-)

    nothing but a whining bag of flatus.

    He probably is afraid to renounce his Canadian citizenship, just in case he is expelled from the U.S. for being too much of a butthole.

    If this country ever elected him president, then we would be the stupidest country in the galaxy.

  •  Calgary Cruz (1+ / 0-)
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    Yes he's from Canada, but we're really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really sorry about that.

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