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Governor Paul R. LePage and Education Commissioner Stephen Bowen.
Maine Gov. Paul LePage
Maine Gov. Paul LePage continues his dual obsession with undermining his state's child labor laws and proving himself the most buffoonish Republican (gubernatorial category) in the nation:
“We don’t allow children to work until they’re 16, but two years later, when they’re 18, they can go to war and fight for us,” LePage said. “That’s causing damage to our economy. I started working far earlier than that, and it didn’t hurt me at all. There is nothing wrong with being a paperboy at 12 years old, or at a store sorting bottles at 12 years old.”
Actually, 14- and 15-year-old kids can work in Maine, provided they have a work permit issued by the superintendent of schools. There are limits on where they can work, mostly aimed at potentially dangerous workplaces, and what hours they can work, especially during the school year. And no, children under 14 are not allowed to be employed under Maine law, except in agriculture, where there are no age, hour, or occupational restrictions. LePage is wrong on just about every front, in other words. Not that this is anything new or unique from him; he's currently also on a tear about the possible past misuse of a tiny fraction, less than one percent, of the state's welfare benefits in a way that has since been prohibited.

Paul LePage, ladies and gentlemen: When he's not complaining that child labor laws are too strong in a way that shows he doesn't know what they are, he's complaining about extremely rare alleged abuses that were banned months ago anyway.

Originally posted to Daily Kos Labor on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 09:51 AM PST.

Also republished by In Support of Labor and Unions and Daily Kos.

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  •  Of all the things going on (12+ / 0-)

    he focuses on child labor ?
    I doubt it's even in the top 1000 things that are important to get working on .

    "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

    by indycam on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 10:01:34 AM PST

    •  Ahh, but all the better to achieve the tea party (0+ / 0-)

      goal of making this nation the world's newest third world nation.
      Bring back child labor, sweatshops and who knows, perhaps indentured servitude.

    •  Well, gee... (4+ / 0-)

      I guess that the driving age is also pretty arbitrary,  Why do those snotty 16 year olds get to drive?  Why not the 12 year olds?  How else are the little bastards going to get to work?  And the drinking age?  Don't even get me started!  Don't you think the tykes deserve a snort, considering their lives are like, being destroyed?  And why, oh why, are we depriving our very young children of the right to die for their country?  And heck, it doesn't even matter if they are gay, if you catch them young enough that they are not even that interested yet.  

      Hey, Maine.  Age limits, in some cases work.  How about IQ minimum limits for public officials?   (This is not a put down of Maine, I live in Pennsylvania and our governor is freakin' TOM CORBETT!  I feel your pain...).

      "No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up." --Lily Tomlin

      by paulex on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 07:52:27 PM PST

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      •  Here's the thing (7+ / 0-)

        I can come up with a perfectly reasonable - albeit sad - explanation about how Lepage got elected with 38% of the votes in a field of 5 candidates.

        What I can't explain is that 35% of my fellow Mainers still support this guy after 3 years of this stuff. Used to think I lived in a pretty sane state, but it's become scary.  And he can win again, thanks to a wealthy and egotistical "independent" in  the race.

        •  I've met some scary people from Maine (1+ / 0-)
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          I got married in Maine because my future ex's family lived near the Portland area.  Maine is a beautiful state in my opinion, but I also remember going to a so called political meeting that my ex mother-in-law was a part of.  It was actually run out of some church she attended, but I did not know this at the time.

          I got ambushed.

          It was 1997, and the folks at the is little gathering were convinced that Clinton was destroying the U.S. military, and we desperately needed a strong military to fight the antichrist who was organizing his forces under the guise of the European Union.  

          I kept my mouth shut out of respect for my mother-in-law, but it was not easy.  The leader of this gathering was a financial planner, and he felt conflicted on giving future financial advice with the end of the world coming.

          No, I am not kidding about that.

          So the fact that Maine elected a nut like LePage does not really surprise me.

          •  LePage wasn't so much elected ... (0+ / 0-)

            ... as lucky.  61% of Mainers voted for someone else.  If we had run-off elections or weighted balloting, Elliot Cutler would probably have wound up in Blaine House.

            Personally I would have preferred Democrat Libby Mitchell, and that's how I voted.  But given how she was polling, I seriously considered voting for Cutler just to keep LePlague out of office.

        •  What a great response! (1+ / 0-)
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          ...to a really snarky post.  Yeah, it was deliberately snarky, but you imparted a lot of info, very politely and concisely.  

          Thank you very much!  

          "No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up." --Lily Tomlin

          by paulex on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 11:16:34 PM PST

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        •  ""egotistical "independent"" -Shades of Nader n/t (0+ / 0-)
  •  Pfft, why stop at 12? (18+ / 0-)

    I say, strap some Swiffer pads on toddlers and get them cleaning our floors!  SpaghettiOs don't come free, after all.

    •  I started working my freshman year of (1+ / 0-)
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      high school when I was 12 or 13.  One of the math teachers also had a computer store and he needed some part time help.  I worked off the books - he paid me in cash.

      I was sitting at the counter alternating between helping people and doing homework.  Then I started buying supplies from him at wholesale price (ie. floppy disks) and selling them retail, first to kids in my school and then to kids in other schools.

      By the time I graduated from high school I had a distribution network in 10 other schools.  It was quite profitable and since my parents took most of it and put it into the stock market until I graduated for college the profits for that business bought my first car.

      I'm a big fan of part time jobs for young kids.  It worked for me and I don't see why it would not work for others.

      •  It all depends on the job, the hours, how it (2+ / 0-)
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        affects the child emotionally, physically, academically.

        Delivering newspapers or helping the parents or neighbors with yard work on a Saturday or maybe in a family owned store a few hours per week is far different than someone like my grandfather who in the early 20th century went to work in the coal mines.

        I do not want to see young kids working if at all possible and certainly not for more than a few hours per week.

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        by wishingwell on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 08:02:21 PM PST

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        •  I think jobs for young kids are valuable (0+ / 0-)

          educational experiences.  Even pushing a broom teaches you to deal with a boss, follow directions, and basic workplace responsibility.

          •  Our parents taught us about work and to be (1+ / 0-)
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            responsible by household chores and helping with yard work.  We would push a broom and dust around the house as well as help with the dishes every night.  As we got to be teens, we would help with the yard work and garden too.

            We learned a lot through family and household tasks without going out in the workplace.  

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            by wishingwell on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 09:59:25 AM PST

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          •  Problem is (0+ / 0-)

            So many kids already are so overburdened with schoolwork and sports and community service they don't have time for much else. Kids need unstructured play time, even kids of 12, 13, 14 and up. Their brains need it. Even if they're playing video games with their friends, that's OK, they need the down time. Some kids have hours and hours of homework every day--my kid is in kindergarten and she has math and language (reading, writing, etc) homework every day. Luckily she's a whiz at math so her two pages of math problems takes only a few minutes, but I could see it taking a while for some kids, and there are times that I make a parental decision that she's finished with her writing or whatever, as she's not that great at writing and it stresses her out too much and I'm not going to push her to finish. I hate to think how much she's going to have by freshman year of high school.  As such, I'm not going to let her have a "real" job until her senior year--if she wants to babysit, do yard work, or do some coaching for money, that's one thing, but working in a store? No way.

            Besides, there are so many people who are out of work right now, like, um, ME, don't take jobs away from adults and give them to kids at a severely discounted rate. Adults need those jobs--and that's LePage's point, he wants business to get away with lowered labor costs by employing children. And that's wrong.

      •  And your job was not dangerous, you could do (6+ / 0-)

        your homework while at the counter, it seems you liked the job a lot, it seems like you wanted to do this job, ...

        The problem is that far too many right wingers want kids to work for their lunches at school by doing physical labor and far too many wingnuts want to see kids working long hours for little pay.  

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        by wishingwell on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 08:04:47 PM PST

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        •  Is this such a bad idea? (0+ / 0-)

          The schools where we have our most at risk and poorest children are often in areas where adult work force participation is also very low.  Many children are growing up without a working parent and may only have vague ideas about what it means to have a job.

          Is it a bad idea for them to do a reasonable amount of work in the school in return for their lunch or, even better, for money that they can use to buy a meal inside or outside the school?  If there are concerns about the money being misused, taken by parent, etc. it can be paid in food vouchers only good at the school cafeteria and nearby restaurants.

          When I was in college a lot of the labor on campus came from kids on financial aid who had a college job as part of their package.  Was that also a bad idea?

          •  My father grew up dirt poor during the depression (1+ / 0-)
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            and the absolute most heartbreaking thing was the stories he told me about feeling less than everyone else and how it felt to be singled out.  And his mother worked for very little in a cotton mill in KY 60 hours a week and his father abandoned them.  

            I do not want to see poor kids singled out, made to feel less than everyone else, suffer ridicule, just to get discounted lunches..that would be mean and psychologically bad for the child..trust me, I am a psychologist.

            And college is so different from elementary and middle school. I am not opposed at all to high school kids having a part time job ...but I do not think young kids need to be working as there is plenty of time for that when they are teens and later as adults.

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            by wishingwell on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 10:04:44 AM PST

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      •  Extrapolating your personal experience (7+ / 0-)

        into a broad-based public policy deserves some deeper thought.  Many of us had after-school "jobs" of one kind or another and there's certainly an argument to be made for kids learning the value of work.

        But removing safety protections for kids in commercial workplaces and instituting a sub-minimum wage for youth up to age 20 (also part of the Maine proposal) could be very harmful to lots of young people.  There's also a good body of research showing that part-time jobs can be detrimental to academics while kids are in high school.

        This particular proposal was written and is being promoted by ALEC as a boon to businesses, not to encourage entrepenurial youth such as yourself.

      •  You doing some part-time trolling over here? (2+ / 0-)
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        I'm calling you out. No one is talking about knocking kids out of paper routes or selling candy for the school door to door. Were talking about hourly wage abuse, on the books or off, by companies that abuse kids.

        I noticed you've posted here a number of times before.  But you haven't gotten a single rec from this outfit. Why is that?

        If I'm wrong, prove me so.  Otherwise, stop with your crap.

        •  Not sure what you think the difference is (0+ / 0-)

          I was working about 10 - 20 hours per week after school and on weekends.  I was getting paid off the books and less than they would have paid a full time adult.  I don't remember if it was sub-minimum wage, but it was certainly enough of a discount to make it worth their while to put up with a snotty high school kid.

          •  I worked in the family store (5+ / 0-)

            Just like you have your anecdotes, I have mine.

            I was forced to start working at 14, when I could get working papers, 20 hours during the school year, 40 hours in summers and during every vacation.  Between school and work, I did not have a day off during high school. Minimum wage. It was all legal.

            I had a great work ethic and was successful and went to college (which was frankly like a four year vacation after high school, even though I still worked half time), but I was dreaming of retirement by the time I was 30 and burned out by the time I was 40.  

            Florence Kelley, a 19th and 20th century progressive anti-child labor advocate who knew her stuff, said this was a common phenomenon among children who were pushed into work at an early age.

            And about those "stocks" that worked so well for you?  My father and mother took one-third of my salary for room and board; I put another third into the bank. My father raided my bank account without my knowledge and permission and invested all of my hard-earned savings in a stock that he insisted would pay for my college education.  

            Within a few months, the company was bankrupt and the money was gone.

            That's how it is with anecdotes.  I can see you yours and raise you mine.

            "If you are cast on a desert island with only a screwdriver, a hatchet, and a chisel to make a boat...go make the best one you can. It would be better if you had a saw, but you haven't." T.Roosevelt on politics.

            by NCJan on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 10:40:32 PM PST

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            •  Your problems seem to have been caused by (0+ / 0-)

              your parents more than your job.

              but I was dreaming of retirement by the time I was 30 and burned out by the time I was 40.  

              Florence Kelley, a 19th and 20th century progressive anti-child labor advocate who knew her stuff, said this was a common phenomenon among children who were pushed into work at an early age.

              Got a cite on this?  I have a hard time believing this, since in the 19th to 20th centuries most kids who were pushed into the workforce at a young age were poor working class kids and they had not choice about working until they were no longer capable of doing so.  Early retirement and burnout are luxuries of the modern age.
              •  Here are your citations (6+ / 0-)
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                As far as saying it was to some extent the parents' fault, well yes.  That always is the case with child labor, because frankly, parents own the labor of their children, and it is up to them whether children become "slaves" or not.  Pushing children into labor is sometimes because of the greed of the parents, sometimes because of the necessity of poverty.

                Assuming that there will always be greedy parents, the issue then becomes, will government, employers and the community collude with them, or come out on the side of protecting children:

                “Chief among these causes of child labor is the greed of parents, due largely but not exclusively to poverty.... A second cause of child-labor is the greed of employers for cheap labor, enhanced by every improvement in machinery of the kind that makes the work of children available; and enhanced, also, by the very cheapness of the children to such an extent as to delay the introduction of new machinery if its installation is costly…. A third cause of child labor is the greed of the community in desiring to keep down the cost of maintenance of its dependent class.” (Kelley, Ethical Gains 1905), p. 58, 60, 61
                And here's the argument that Kelley makes for how the nature and type of work children can do will sap most of their energy to achieve by the time they are ready to be productive adult workers.
                What has such a boy to show for the years he has spent in delivering        messages? He has no trade, no craft, no skill of any kind, no discipline of mind or body to fit him for rising in any direction. The irregularity of his work has unfitted him for any sustained effort when he has passed the age for accepting children's wages. One of the problems of the settlements is to find work for boys who have outgrown the messenger's uniform. The lads have learned nothing which is of any value to them.  There is no versatility in them which might make them desirable employees in the hobble-de-hoy age.  Their eagerness to make a record of speed and promptness has all oozed away. They are no longer dazzled at the prospect of earning $4.00 a week. They know most exactly the purchasing power of the wages they are likely to receive, and balancing the fatigue and exertion against the pay, they simply sit still and wait for something to turn up, rather better pleased if nothing can be found for them to do. Not every boy is morally ruined by this work; but the earlier he enters upon it, and the longer he remains in it, the greater the probability of his ruin.” (Kelley, Ethical Gains 1905), pp. 22-23
                The above quotes are from Some Ethical Gains Through Legislation, BY FLORENCE KELLEY, New York: THE MACMILLAN COMPANY, 1905  

                Child labor is nothing to treat lightly.  Studying it will frankly turn your stomach.  And unfortunately, it is not a thing of the past, but alive and well in much of the world today.

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                by NCJan on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 07:17:57 AM PST

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      •  Off the books? (6+ / 0-)
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        You were hired illegally.  Not only were you probably getting less than minimum wage, he was not collecting or paying unemployment insurance, would not have been required to cover you in case of a workman's comp situation. Yea, he was SO good to be offering an underage kid a job.  He was not really benefitting you, my friend.

      •  A high school freshman at the age of 12 to 13 (1+ / 0-)
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        Did you apply for college at age 15-16 during your senior year in high school like Doogie Howser or did you wait a couple years?

  •  What's wrong with him? Never mind..... (5+ / 0-)

    nosotros no somos estúpidos

    by a2nite on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 10:10:35 AM PST

  •  Their unemployment rate is relatively low at (8+ / 0-)

    6.4% but you would still think he would be trying to get adults back to work before he put kids in sweat shops.

    Most of the people taking a hard line against us are firmly convinced that they are the last defenders of civilization... The last stronghold of mother, God, home and apple pie and they're full of shit! David Crosby, Journey Thru the Past.

    by Mike S on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 10:12:15 AM PST

  •  Well, what the Governor really wants to do is (30+ / 0-)

    undermine the minimum wage laws. His proposal was to create a "training wage" lower than the minimum wage for kids who work and go to school. The economic impact of that proposal would have been devastating to the many adults in Maine who work at minimum wage jobs, many of whom have families and are already on SNAP and Medicaid. I have a number of friends in this boat. The only people it would benefit would be employers.

    Walk into my local Cumberland Farms (a convenience store and gas station chain here in New England) and most of the people there are working for or just above minimum wage, and ALL of them are over that age of about 25 (I know this because a good friend of mine worked there for many years until recently) and many of them are over 40.

    So LePage's war on child labor laws, at least as I understand it, has always been connected to a two-tier wage system. Even the old GOP lege rejected it and now that Dems are back in power in the legislature, there's no freaking way any of this crap he's been proposing for years now is ever going to become law.

    By the way, minimum wage in Maine is 7.50, .25 cents above the federal minimum and .50 cents lower than Massachusetts.

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    by commonmass on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 10:15:09 AM PST

  •  I love these types of quotes... (8+ / 0-)
    I started working far earlier than that, and it didn’t hurt me at all.
    Because 99 times out of a 100 they're wrong. Governor LePage, I think it's beyond obvious that there is something very, VERY wrong with you.

    There are lies, damn lies, and statistics but they all pale in comparison to conservative talking points.

    by ontheleftcoast on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 10:15:36 AM PST

  •  Impressive! (5+ / 0-)

    This guy out-cookoo's even my drunken, bigoted, Chemtrail-believin, Agenda 21-fightin neighbors. No small feat, that.

    The better I know people, the more I like my dog.

    by Thinking Fella on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 10:22:47 AM PST

  •  It sounds like working too early (7+ / 0-)

    can cause life-long problems with learning. Anything.

    "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

    by Lily O Lady on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 10:24:21 AM PST

    •  Well, LePage was able to learn English, after a (8+ / 0-)

      fashion. His English was so poor he had to take his college entrance exams in French!

      Now, compare him with Mike Michaud, the Democratic candidate for Maine Governor this year--also a Francophone (about a fifth of Mainers speak French as their first or "at home" language)--like LePage, blue collar. Mike's a former mill worker who got into politics because he was concerned about what the mills were doing to Maine's rivers and environment.

      Very similar backgrounds, but Mike is a Democrat, and if he wins, will also be the first openly gay man to be elected Governor anywhere in the US.

      I'll bet Mike was pretty young when he first went to work, too. Two very different results, of course.

      Pope Francis: the Thumb of Christ in the eyes of the Pharisees.

      by commonmass on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 10:30:26 AM PST

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      •  I was being flippant, but LePage is (4+ / 0-)

        obsessed with doing away with Child Labor Laws.

        As to French, I took it for six years, four in high school and two in college, and I'm still not really great at it. I don't get to practice it much though.

        LePage seems to think that work trumps education, failing to see how education benefits the workforce and provides well-informed citizens. He is the poster child for a poorly informed citizen who has risen above his level of competence.

        "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

        by Lily O Lady on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 10:52:08 AM PST

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  •  No damage at all right? (7+ / 0-)
    “We don’t allow children to work until they’re 16, but two years later, when they’re 18, they can go to war and fight for us,” LePage said. “That’s causing damage to our economy. I started working far earlier than that, and it didn’t hurt me at all
    That's highly debatable.  Working at a young age may not have caused him to be a mentally challenged, emotionally stunted asshole.  But then again it may have.  

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    by DisNoir36 on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 10:26:26 AM PST

  •  Gov. LePage has (4+ / 0-)
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    Arrested development....age 12

  •  Flights leaving daily, what are you waiting for? (3+ / 0-)
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    From the linked  article:

    “You’re the folks we want to bring prosperity to,” he told several hundred people at a luncheon at the show, held at the Augusta Civic Center. “If the revenues go up, I can go golfing. If not, I’m going to have to continue working 80 hours a week.”
    Actually, Paul, you can forget about re-election and head to FL anytime.

    Hell, invite Mr. Cutler along as well. He sounds like he could use a vacation too.

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    by Illegitimi non carborundum on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 10:35:00 AM PST

    •  We MUST beat Cutler. And LePage, of course, (2+ / 0-)

      we MUST beat both of them. I, for one, am sick of them both even though I agree with Spud1 that Mike won't be a great Governor--but he'll be a hell of a lot better than the alternatives.

      Pope Francis: the Thumb of Christ in the eyes of the Pharisees.

      by commonmass on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 10:36:42 AM PST

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      •  Agreed (1+ / 0-)
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        although I think Mike will do fine as a governor. I'm not sure what a "great" governor would be like, given the partisan divide in Maine these days… but we sure as hell know how much damage a bad one can do.
        If we heard nothing about Maine on the late night comedy shows for a while, that would be fine with me.

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        by Illegitimi non carborundum on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 10:44:12 AM PST

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        •  I agree, I would be happy with Mike, who's a (2+ / 0-)

          quiet kind of guy anyway. Cutler would be better than LePage, but he'd also get us on those late night shows all the time which you and I would both like to have a hiatus from Maine appearing on.

          There was a while there that LePage's asshattery seemed to be an almost nightly feature of the Maddow show. I suspect we'll hear about him tonight, after this.

          I hope the door at Blaine House hits him on the ass and some good at that when he leaves.

          Pope Francis: the Thumb of Christ in the eyes of the Pharisees.

          by commonmass on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 10:47:34 AM PST

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    •  lepage (0+ / 0-)

      we have enough problems in the land of transient pedophiles --(florida) -- send him elsewhere..

  •  Please tell me (2+ / 0-)
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    That this shmuck is going to be defeated in the next election.

    The problems that exist in the world today cannot be solved by the level of thinking that created them. - Albert Einstein.

    by Cvstos on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 10:35:08 AM PST

  •  Allowing children to work makes sense (4+ / 0-)

    Form follows function -- Louis Sullivan

    by Spud1 on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 10:40:42 AM PST

  •  Only someone who didn't develop (2+ / 0-)
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    during adolescence could think that the fact that 18 year olds can join the army means that 13 year olds should be allowed to work.

  •  Great thinking (0+ / 0-)

    Let's save the economy by putting children at risk when it comes to working. Shows where those people's minds really are...worshiping the great golden calf of Mammon.

  •  Yes, just what this country needs (2+ / 0-)
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    tardis10, NoMoreLies

    More cheap labor.

    "When dealing with terrorism, civil and human rights are not applicable." Egyptian military spokesman.

    by Paleo on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 11:49:09 AM PST

  •  Maine's child labor laws (0+ / 0-)

    We haven't enough jobs for needy adults, keep kids in school and pray they will have jobs when they graduate.

  •  LePage is just wrong, period. (0+ / 0-)

    The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

    by irishwitch on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 03:57:23 PM PST

  •  Maine is a strange place, except for BIPM. Maybe (0+ / 0-)

    we in Massachusetts were wrong to let it be a state in 1820.  Seemed like a good deal at the time...(umm, Missouri becoming a slave state, yes a good deal, right).

    Armed! I feel like a savage! Barbarella

    by richardvjohnson on Wed Jan 08, 2014 at 04:55:33 PM PST

  •  Is unemployment that low in Maine (1+ / 0-)
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    Donkey Hotey

    that they need to press children into doing work?  There aren't enough jobs for adults (you know, the ones his Republican colleagues in the US Congress refuse to assist by extending unemployment benefits), so we have to get children in the labor market for more competition?  And I guess these must be the jobs that can't be shipped to China or India.  Why don't these Republicans talk about their real agenda -- repealing the thirteenth amendment?

  •  He has less than 10 more months in office, right? (0+ / 0-)
  •  Cracker Boss (0+ / 0-)

    My late father went to work for J&L Steel's Coal Division in 1929, at age twelve. That's right: he was digging coal by hand at the age of twelve! His hearing and several of his fingertips were gone before he hit 30. So, do we want to slide backwards in time from a modern democracy into a third world country where killing kids in sweatshops is perfectly OK? Paul LePage is an ass.

  •  I worked in the fields as a child, doing farm work (0+ / 0-)

    on our farm as well as neighboring farms.  It caused alot of physical damage that I am suffering from now.  It distroyed my knees and back.  Childrens bones and muscles are not equiped to handle hard physical work, and I worked like a man starting at age 8.  It was something I had to do, partly cause I had a miserable excuse for a human stepfather who believed kids should work while he drank beer till he passed out.  I can not imagine that kind of treatment being allowed for children today.  A friend of mine has a son that at 16 had a job at KFC, and according to labor laws, he wasn't supposed to be handling the hot grease in the pressure cookers.  However, he was ordered to and ended up with severe burns on his arms from it.  His mom came down hard on them, got the labor department involved and they were fined plus had to pay for all his medical bills.  Those laws are there for a good reason.  Our children need protected from all the morons out there.  

    •  Thank you for this testimony (1+ / 0-)
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      NCJim

      I wish that I could recommend your comment but the time for recs has expired.

      "If you are cast on a desert island with only a screwdriver, a hatchet, and a chisel to make a boat...go make the best one you can. It would be better if you had a saw, but you haven't." T.Roosevelt on politics.

      by NCJan on Sat Jan 11, 2014 at 07:35:24 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Bottom line... (2+ / 0-)
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    Caniac41, wishingwell

    ...Republicans hate children.

  •  He also believes wind turbines are driven by (3+ / 0-)

    a tiny electric motor

    so consider the source

    I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

    by JML9999 on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 07:36:21 PM PST

    •  Well to be fair a motor and a generator are pretty (1+ / 0-)
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      close to each other.  Since you can turn an electric motor into a generator fairly easily I would assume  the reverse is also true.  So if there is too much power on the lines I guess it could cause the wind turbine to spin assuming whatever anti-backfeed circuitry wasn't working properly.

      You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

      by Throw The Bums Out on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 08:17:59 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Not the way the huge units are architected (1+ / 0-)
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        Throw The Bums Out

        There are some home made back yard units that use Treadmill motors that that might happen in a freak malfunction but not large industrial units

        I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

        by JML9999 on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 08:21:58 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  a prerequisite for being Republican is obviously (2+ / 0-)
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    drmah, wishingwell

    a return to a pre-Dickensian style of economics.

  •  a prerequisite for being Republican is obviously (0+ / 0-)

    a yearning to return to a pre-Dickensian style of economics.

  •  Hey Maine.... (1+ / 0-)
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    wishingwell

    DUMP LePage.

    I think, therefore I am........................... Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose....AKA Engine Nighthawk - don't even ask!

    by Lilyvt on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 07:45:20 PM PST

  •  This is ALEC. (1+ / 0-)
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    wishingwell

    In Missouri, Jane Cunningham wanted to repeal the child labor laws, and she's a card- carrying ALEC member.

    "YOPP!" --Horton Hears a Who

    by Reepicheep on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 07:45:51 PM PST

  •  WTF is wrong (8+ / 0-)

    with these people.  Children getting their hands stamped if they receive a free lunch at a charter school in IL. More than one story about a child having their lunch taken and thrown away because they didn't have the 15 cents that was due on their account.. Happened in Wake County, NC and somewhere else that I don't remember where.

    The GOP is waging a War on the Impoverished - not on poverty and is shaming the poor.  This Gov is just one of many and is a symptom of the real problem that people no longer care about those that are not like them.  This is exactly what the Republican party since Reagan has been promoting.

    We have a 'Presidential Candidate' and I use that term loosely - Newt Gingrich that suggested that poor kids clean the schools in order to get help for their families. We have a entire branch of the Congress that would rather starve children then pass a farm bill without the huge dollar give-aways to their corporate masters.

    The question is what is the breaking point? When do we get outraged enough to yell ENOUGH.. When???  Moral Mondays is a good start but we need to tell the A$$Holes in Congress and Paul Ryan in particular that he is a bastard and will rot in hell for what he is doing to MY COUNTRY.

    Rant over.

    Why do Republicans Hate Americans?

    by Caniac41 on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 07:45:52 PM PST

  •  The rest of the quote (3+ / 0-)
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    Thinking Fella, Ahianne, NCJan
    For instance, kids are good for cleaning pipes. They can get lots of places you have to use all kinds of expensive machinery to clean, and the machine's morals aren't improved the way a kid's are.
  •  The GOP has lost their collective minds.. (1+ / 0-)
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    wishingwell

    The man has gone mental. The nation cannot survive many more of these dangerous ignoramuses.

    What is so unnerving about the candidacy of Sarah Palin is the degree to which she represents—and her supporters celebrate—the joyful marriage of confidence and ignorance. SAM HARRIS

    by Cpqemp on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 07:57:33 PM PST

  •  Geech, can't you imagine the nightmare it Gov. (0+ / 0-)

    was your grandfather!

  •  Hello, Governor Michaud (0+ / 0-)

    I'm starting to wonder if LePage is TRYING to lose in 2016.  At the rate he's going, all Michaud will have to do is show up.

  •  Children can work, with a permit, before 16, (1+ / 0-)
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    Ahianne

    the trouble is, the jobs that used to go to the 16 year olds are now held by recent high school grads. The jobs the recent high school grads held are now expected to support a family. This is not working Guv GrumpyPuss.

    You can put your shoes in the oven, but it won't make them biscuits.

    by quetzalmom on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 08:06:02 PM PST

  •  It seems to me that most kids already. . . (3+ / 0-)
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    bepanda, Laurel in CA, NCJan

    . . .have a job.  They are employed at completing their school work.  What the governor is essentially saying is that kids should have two jobs.

    If we are going to elect Democrats, lets elect real ones!

    by waztec on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 08:07:58 PM PST

  •  Whenever anyone says "I turned out fine!" (0+ / 0-)

    as a justification for anything, I'm usually thinking, "I know you... I wouldn't be so sure."  

     

    Nobody deserves poverty.

    by nominalize on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 08:18:03 PM PST

  •  The scariest part of this ... (0+ / 0-)

    He probably got these ideas from ALEC and the Republican direction. These are not isolated thoughts. These are well planned opinions Republicans have been cultivating in their chambers.
    I'm already scared to death at the thought of a Republican President in America, a Republican House, a Republican Senate and a Republican Supreme Court. Could happen in 2016. This combination would destroy anything decent that has remained in America.

  •  What? Bill in Portland's favorite Guv.? Just (0+ / 0-)

    another of those people that we all just love to hate.

    "Three things cannot be long hidden: The Sun, The Moon, and The Truth." Buddha

    by Grandson named me Papa on Fri Jan 10, 2014 at 08:28:33 PM PST

  •  nice job maine (1+ / 0-)
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    Notreadytobenice

    how in the hell did you elect this yard ape to anything.

  •  This is also an attack on the minimum wage laws. (2+ / 0-)
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    NCJan, Notreadytobenice

    You don't think they will pay those younger kids as much as the older employees do you?  LePage is firmly in the hands of ALEC.

    LePage was abused as a child, ran away from home at 11 years of age. He later was sponsored by the first husband of Sen Olympia Snowe, but seems to have learned all the wrong lessons about humanity.

  •  Just when I think Lepage couldnt say or do (1+ / 0-)
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    Notreadytobenice

    anything more smallminded or stupid, he proves me wrong by saying this crap. this guy should never have been elected in the first place and in a runoff system, he wouldnt have. hopefully michuad beats him by 10 or more.

  •  How many remember paperboys and bottle sorters (0+ / 0-)

    I'm reminded of Ronald Reagan and his through the rose colored glasses view of the world. When I was a kid, back in the sixties, there were paperboys and a very small number of papergirls. Today, unless you live in a very small town, paper routes are now almost exclusively done by adults driving and throwing papers out the window. Most newspapers don't want the possible liability if a twelve year old is injured on the job.

    Bottle sorters disappeared with the demise of soft drink bottles and the introduction of aluminum cans and plastic bottles.

    The problem with looking through those rose colored glasses is the false equivalencies given to today's world. The world has changed. We don't have enough jobs for adults, but politicians like LePage believe putting children to work will solve all that ails us. Reality is putting children to work in adult jobs as a model to force down wages even further. If an employer can pay a child a below minimum training wage, why hire an adult at the higher minimum wage?

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