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Friday was the premiere of this season’s Real Time with Bill Maher. It did not disappoint. As usual everyone was privy to Maher’s generally well thought out sarcasm and satire. He had two bona fide Democrats, former Michigan governor Jennifer Granholm and James Carville, on the show. He also had two Republicans, an apparently drunk Mary Matalin and Steve Schmidt.

Maher lamented the state of the environment but loved what can now be burned in some states. “That’s the bad news, California is burning,” he said. “The good news is Colorado is smoking.”

The show covered the major topics currently debated in the political sphere. It covered the NSA, Chris Christie’s Bridgegate scandal, the West Virginia spill, the environment, and the minimum wage. The Republicans on the panel provided the same talking points in an attempt to justify their beliefs that have continuously failed Americans.

Maher left his best statement for the last new rule: using the Duck Dynasty fiasco as his analogy for what Republicans have done to this country with smoke and mirrors, he had some advice.

“And finally, a resolution I have been asking America to make for a long time,” he said. “Be more cynical. Be less easily fooled. Case in point, all the people that are fans of these guys, heroes to all the rural heartland traditional values gun nuts out there. Except here is what we recently found out these guys really look like before they got their TV show, preppy assholes at the golf club wearing Tommy Bahama. That’s right. It is all an act, fat cats pretending to be just folks. And you fell for it. Take a hint, Tea Partiers. This is what the Republican Party is always doing to you.”

Americans should heed his comment. It is okay to be fooled once. It is okay that one has been misled. When one is informed and refuses to see the light, then that becomes willful ignorance. Mike Stafford, a Republican Operative turned Independent will be interviewed on this week’s Politics Done Right. He has been trying to be a sensible voice in the Republican Party. He realized he just couldn't do it anymore. He wrote this compelling piece that shows what occurs when eyes are opened to reality.

Bill Maher’s calling out of the Duck Dynasty deception is important. As others see reality versus false rhetoric, the change in our politics will occur.



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  •  As usual Maher does not disappoint (5+ / 0-)
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    skillet, ER Doc, Patate, S F Hippie, NancyWH

    He is half the reason I have HBO (Game of Thrones is the other half).

    "I watch Fox News for my comedy, and Comedy Central for my news." - Facebook Group

    by Sychotic1 on Sat Jan 18, 2014 at 08:57:34 AM PST

  •  Matlin needs to sober up or did James slip her (1+ / 0-)
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    a roofie

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013

    by annieli on Sat Jan 18, 2014 at 09:13:41 AM PST

    •  It sounds like Matlin had a pretty ... (1+ / 0-)
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      glitterscale

      ... nasty fall before the show and was taking some pain meds.  She  shouldn't have been on the show in that state.

      Looking through the bent backed tulips, To see how the other half lives, Looking through a glass onion - John Lennon and Paul McCartney

      by Hey338Too on Sat Jan 18, 2014 at 11:04:25 AM PST

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  •  Despite him occasionally saying something (2+ / 0-)
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    humorous or agreeable to me, I've always found him to be nothing but a liberal Limbaugh. And the fact that he's endorsing cynicism is pretty well case in point. Skepticism is keeping an open mind and looking for evidence/solutions then moving forward. Cynicism sees something that's broken, and rather than looking for solutions sits around bitching about how badly things are broken and how selfish humanity is and how hopeless the situation is.

    Which one sounds more like him to you?

    Just because someone is couching things in a way that appeals to you, doesn't mean they're helping you.

    Nicht durch Zorn, sondern durch Lachen tödtet man. ~Nietzsche

    by somewierdguy on Sat Jan 18, 2014 at 09:39:45 AM PST

    •  Maher is not a liberal limpballs. (15+ / 0-)

      The biggest difference, but not the only difference, between Maher and limp balls is Bill is very civil.  He does not verbally assault those he disagrees with.  He does throw them a few marshmallows.  Limp balls throws live hand grenades.

      •  Maher is not Limbaugh.. (5+ / 0-)

        First of all, Maher actually has a brain in his head and secondly, he is not as far left as Limbaugh is right.

      •  ???? (0+ / 0-)

        Have you even really WATCHED "Real Time"??

        He is just as acidic, and just as lacking in being in touch with reality, as Limbaugh is.

        Limbaugh, though, has in his favor that his being as far right as he is is something he genuine believes in apparently. Maher is in fact a failed movie star and "comedian" who never found a real original bit of his own, so he stole the "acidic atheist" side of George Carlin's act for his own.

        Anyone believing he really believes what he says is sadly been very much conned.

        •  What bull, Whitetiger 33 ! (6+ / 0-)

          Maher is not a "failed" movie star. He is, in fact, a highly successful comedian and just about the best political satirist in the entire country. He stole NOTHING from George Carlin. I loved Carlin. But Bill Maher is a talent in his own right.

          Nobody makes fun of the right quite as good as Maher. He's a gifted comedian. I'm just glad that he's on our side and not a conservative.

          As for your charge that he don't believe in what he says, what proof do you have to back that up ?

          My hunch ?

          You have NO proof to back that up.

          "Love Is Why We're Here"

          by Paniolo Joe on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 07:48:14 PM PST

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        •  Hope You're Enjoying Your False Equivalence (3+ / 0-)

          Maher's something of a cynic, sure, @Whitetiger33 - but then again, he's seen the Dems fold too many times in the clinch and the Rethugs bully even when there was no need…and Religion being waved around everywhere. I'm a bit cynical myself on that score….

        •  Limpbaug hired a gay singer (0+ / 0-)

          for his zillionth wedding.  He's like all of the other rich Republicans - he's just playing the suckers.

          Warren/Grayson 2016! Yes We Can!

          by BenFranklin99 on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 10:40:21 PM PST

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    •  Let's see Limbaugh do a TV show (15+ / 0-)

      and actually have debates. Then you can compare; otherwise you are way off base. Way off...

    •  We need Catapult Operators and Cows (4+ / 0-)

      Although Maher may well be worthy of being called a media whore and can be counted upon to go for the cheap shot, I don't think the time in the conflict has quite yet come for the careful and polite negotiation of the finer points.
      I'd compare the situation to the scene in Python's "Holy Grail" where Arthur and "the good guys" are standing at the base of a sheer castle wall hollering up at the jerks (they happen to be portrayed as effete French, but it was an English production) on the top of the wall who laugh at their attempts at sincerity and amuse themselves by tossing offhand insults - "I fart in your general direction".  

      What the moment called for was not the upstanding knights' polite and reverent statesmanship - they got precisely nowhere until they began catapulting cows over the battlements. The situation simply did not call for polite statesmanlike discussion. That had been tried and was laughed-off. It called for rude and crude actions. In this vein I am willing to watch Maher crudely chuck cows over the 1%'s battlements until we get someone's attention - until we can shock the brainwashed gofers and mouthpieces of the oligarchy out of their cynical complacency and can begin to get honest replies as a first step towards getting an honest and serious dialogue underway.

      Note: I may not have the details of the actual screenplay precisely right - it's been quite a few years since I last saw "Holy Grail". But try, if you can, to see beyond any flubs in continuity I may have committed and try to grasp the intention behind the attempt at allegory.

      “Let's think the unthinkable, let's do the undoable. Let us prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all.”
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      •  Actually, the cows were being flung (1+ / 0-)
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        by the French taunters.  (sproing! "Mooooooo!" "Jesus Christ!  Run awaaaaaayyyyy!")  Arthur's knights did, however, attempt a Trojan rabbit (which also got catapulted back over the battlements at them).  I'm not really sure that particular Monty Python classic - and I'm a HUGE MP fan - is worthy of your analogy.

        I also love Bill Maher's very cynical and acidic wit.  Anyone who can call him a Carlin ripoff isn't really paying attention.

        •  lehmansterms (0+ / 0-)

          Jesus Christ is the reason you breathe.  It takes someone full of demons to say something disrespectful about or to our Lord.  The sad thing about America is; they keep doing things in the eyesight of God that is ungodly and thinking these presidents is going to save them.  You better put your seat belts on for the wrath of God ride.  It is simply because you are a rebellious, adulterous, murders, and perverted, generation.  When you can’t pay your bills anymore and the money start looking and I mean real funny.  And all hell begins to happen in your life. Just remember the blasphemous remarks you have made towards God.   Jesus is Lord; you will be the one running and hiding on that noble day.

          •  Thanks for the Maher material. (1+ / 0-)
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            You've pretty much condensed all the reasons why the non-religious find Jesus-freaks hypocrites and laughing stocks.

            You are judging, but your religion calls for you not to judge others, lest you yourself be judged.

            You characterize the "wrath of God" as a noble day; so much for a benevolent supreme being, and this displays a distinct lack of humanity on your part.

            Your "Lord" may not be "our Lord" or someone else's lord--see, that's the thing about freedom of religion. Frequently a false complaint pushed by religious extremists here in America who are in actuality the ones most guilty of not respecting other people's right to hold a different belief system. You are pushing your "God" on other people who don't share your religious beliefs by using such inclusive language, condemnation, and fear mongering.

            Last--but not least--the target of your nonsensical rant, the object of your scorn and vituperation, was a comment that didn't even mention any religion, much less seek to denigrate such, rendering your whole response even more illogical, which seemed impossible.

          •  God is as much a myth as Odin and Zeus (1+ / 0-)
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            Jesus is dead, and he's not coming back.  If were to do so, Christians are the first people he would whip from the temple.

            Warren/Grayson 2016! Yes We Can!

            by BenFranklin99 on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 10:37:12 PM PST

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          •  Poe, is that you? (0+ / 0-)

            Otherwise, word-salad.  :-p

            If we acknowledge our fears, then we must also acknowledge the consequences of our actions when we react to those fears. Hate is based on fear, fear comes from a lack of understanding. When you understand, it is more difficult to hate.

            by TheProgressiveAlien on Fri Jan 24, 2014 at 12:30:00 PM PST

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        •  Perhaps the wrong show to draw the analogy (0+ / 0-)

          but it would still be a good analogy provided a more accommodating vehicle, and it remains an excellent point. Granted, Maher may not be the ideal figurehead for liberals, but it's nice to have someone on our side down in the trenches getting their hands dirty.

          Carville performs a similar service in the role of spin master. I don't always agree with either one, but I probably have more respect for Maher, as he exhibits more honesty than the politically calculating Carville.

    •  the real truth (0+ / 0-)

      dose"n't seem to matter to you. Did you pay any attention to what he said about these so called mountain men? IT"S ALL A FAKE AND A SCAM. What about that don't you understand? These guys are YUPPIES,acting like they're from the SWAMPS. IT's all a SHOW.IT"S NOT REAL. Why do REPUBLICAN SHEEPLE,see everything in tunnel vision? Most of these guys are from WALL STREET.

  •  Right-Wing Culture Heroes are ALWAYS Scary... (2+ / 0-)
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    The Duck Dynasty crew might be the least objectionable of the current cast of right-wing culture heroes compared to George Zimmerman and Eric Robert Rudolph.

    •  At best, they're obvious frauds. (1+ / 0-)
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      Personally, I don't watch the show.  I don't watch reality TV at all, as none of it is truly "real" and all of it is completely scripted and extraordinarily lame.  I have no interest in Phil Robertson's casual faux-Christian bigotry.  Giving those people an audience legitimises them.  Others can do it, I will not.

  •  my rule on wingnuts (1+ / 0-)
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    SilinCorea

    I don;t care if they are left hand thread or right hand thread, a wingnut is a wingnut. i ignore them. you should too. this narcissist is the limbaugh of the left and he does us no favors.

    •  Right... (1+ / 0-)
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      James Carville said on the show that we just can't take those coal mining jobs away from the coal minors, because that's all they know. Well, if they don't get green jobs instead, they won't have a planet, much less a job on the planet. Yeah, Carville is about as useless as expecting a rattlesnake to kiss gently.

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      by JohnnieZ on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 04:27:25 PM PST

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      •  Um... ??? (0+ / 0-)

        Wow, that's the type of arrogant, lofty assumption that usually the TP throws around to stereotype their own "side."  I'm sure the magical green job fairies will show up in these historical areas and POOF!  The coal miners will live happily ever after! ;P

        Mr. Carville has been in the centrist Democratic trenches since probably before you/I were born, and I respect him.  What he means is, you have generations upon generations that have worked in those coal factories.  It pretty much IS all that they know.  

        If you want to promote and market green efficiency to these areas (and I agree with you about the critical need for green jobs), you have to convince them to let go of everything that they know -- their livelihood and security depends on this -- and once they let go of their fear and accept the realities and practicality of green efficiency, then you need to EDUCATE AND TRAIN.  

    •  I think the same thing... (3+ / 0-)
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      ...when I hear people say the Republicans and Democrats are exactly the same: You've been listening to the Koch Brothers.

    •  He does us PLENTY of favors, blueRange (5+ / 0-)

      Every time Bill Maher makes a conservative look like a phony, narrow minded idiot with little compassion for minorities, the poor, the jobless, gay folks etc., he does this country a favor.

      Maher sends me into fits of laughter.

      He's terrific !

      "Love Is Why We're Here"

      by Paniolo Joe on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 07:55:27 PM PST

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  •  If I had to choose, I'd be skeptical of Bill Maher (0+ / 0-)

    Here's a guy willing to tell you anything based on the presupposition that most not-Maher nor friends-of-Maher Americans are a bunch of idiots.

    Why does he thing DD fans are being fooled?

    Does he not know that none of this supposedly secret information is news?

    The DD folks have talked about it in interviews and written about it in books.  Their fans know.

    And, Bill, don't know how to tell you this -- all those people you see on Downton Abbey? They're actors.  People paid to pretend.

    And you know what? So are the people on DD.  They have a little twist: the characters they play are based on themselves and named after themselves.  It's still a scripted comedy.

    DD's fans like the show.  I like the show.  It's good for a chuckle and reminds me of people I have known.

    I know I'm not going to pay much attention to  you, who thinks I'm an idiot.

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 03:14:19 PM PST

    •  What???? (2+ / 0-)
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      Downtown Abbey is a reality show? No, it's a Situation Drama. Maybe you just don't know the difference.

      •  Duck Dynasty is a situation comedy. (0+ / 0-)

        It is not a reality show.

        But then, maybe you just don't know the difference.

        LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

        by dinotrac on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 08:12:21 PM PST

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        •  Billed as a reality show (0+ / 0-)

          and widely regarded as such by people in the industry, albeit quantified as a hybrid. It seems it is actually you who either doesn't understand the difference, or doesn't want to accept it.

          More reality, or more scripted? Let's allow the central characters of the A&E show to weigh in:

          “Scripted reality, right?” said Lauer, introducing the subject. “You guys call it, I think, ‘guided reality’? What does that mean? What’s the guided part?”

          The first answer came from Robertson family patriarch Phil Robertson. “Most of the time … we ad-lib,” he said. “Think about it: Someone out of L.A. is fixing to put words into our mouth? Gimme a break.”

          “Well, they don’t write the script for you, right?” Lauer asked.

          “No,” said Phil, although his brother, Si, revealed a few moments later that the producers do hand the family members some sort of script — an apparent guideline that Si said he ignores anyway.

          Added Jase, one of the bearded Robertson sons: “It’s a bit of a culture shock,” he said of the producers’ interactions with this family of fiercely independent Louisianans. “They come up with ideas and we just get to be ourselves in the situation,” he explained.

          Nine family members came to New York to appear on “The Today Show” on Wednesday, just hours before fourth-season premiere of “Duck Dynasty” — scheduled for Wednesday night at 10/9c on A&E.

          Sorry, dinotrak, I don't think DD is buying your argument in their defense. And if they aren't buying it, why should we?
           
    •  dinotrak (0+ / 0-)

      And I'm sure you'll understand when we say you have no standing with common, ordinary people like us. Zzzzing!

    •  If you assumed he meant everyone who watches... (0+ / 0-)

      DD, then your assumption is idiotic.  He said Tea Party and they are exactly as he describe them.

      •  As idiotic as somebody who doesn't know the (0+ / 0-)

        meaning of "all the people"?

        Case in point, all the people that are fans of these guys, heroes to all the rural heartland traditional values gun nuts out there.
        English.  It's fundamental.

        LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

        by dinotrac on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 08:15:55 PM PST

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        •  Depends on the intended meaning... (0+ / 0-)

          Not all fans of DD reside in rural settings, as I'm sure Maher is well aware. By "rural heartland traditional values gun nuts" is he talking about racist, bigoted rednecks regardless of residential status? That's certainly the meaning I take from it. You can choose to ignore the intended meaning and go with a literal interpretation that fits your agenda, but that doesn't make you right.

          It appears to me that Maher was delineating the overwhelming majority of DD fans, and you misguidedly chose to include yourself and take offense unnecessarily. Unless you do associate yourself as one of those racist, bigoted rednecks who are fans of the show, in which case Maher's assessment quite aptly applies.

          Personally, even if I were to find the spectacle of highly educated and cultured people phonily portraying themselves as uneducated hicks on what is billed a reality show entertaining, the fact that the patriarch has chosen to espouse racist and bigoted rhetoric publicly would sour me to the show: I may defend his right to free speech, but I would not promote such speech, nor would I contribute in any way to the success of Duck Dynasty programming or merchandise in any fashion, as neither do I wish to promote or enrich those guilty of such speech. As a liberal, your position makes little sense.

    •  Downton Abbey is a drama, silly. (0+ / 0-)

      If I wasn't Bob Dylan, I'd probably think that Bob Dylan has a lot of answers myself. Bob Dylan

      by weezilgirl on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 08:39:18 PM PST

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      •  My link didn't work. (0+ / 0-)

        I tried 3 times. I'm sorry. It is an article with pictures showing the men before they did the show. All ivy-league, button-down oxford cloth and frosted tips. (Willie) Glamour shots with their wives and kids.

        If I wasn't Bob Dylan, I'd probably think that Bob Dylan has a lot of answers myself. Bob Dylan

        by weezilgirl on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 08:41:32 PM PST

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        •  How long before they did the show? (0+ / 0-)

          Phil, the patriarch, had the beard for a very long time.
          The kids were clean-cut through college and for years thereafter.

          But -- they didn't grow the hair and the beards for the show.
          A&E approached them about DD after they had already been doing hunting shows and producing hunting videos. The hair and beards were already in place.

          LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

          by dinotrac on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 07:47:59 AM PST

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      •  Duck Dynasty is a comedy, silly. (0+ / 0-)

        Both are scripted television shows with people acting parts.

        A reasonable analog for DD would be I Love Lucy, where Lucille Ball played a woman named Lucy married to a Cuban entertainer who was played by her real-life husband, a Cuban entertainer.

        Not perfect, but in the same vein.

        LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

        by dinotrac on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 07:45:51 AM PST

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  •  The people who "never lock their doors" (6+ / 0-)

    No surprise that the people who live in small town America, where everyone is so trusting that people never see the need to lock their doors, are the same people who fall for the Republican Party.

    It's not that they're dumb, or more trust worthy, it's that in a small town, "everybody knows everybody"; and in an environment like that, no one can get away with lying often enough for there to be any decent liars in town. Oh, they know to generally trust outsiders; but they don't develop the type of bullshit detectors people forge in big cities where nearly everyone is functionally an outsider.

    And the Democratic Party doesn't know how to explain to these large communities of easily duped people how they're being duped by the GOP's fake "one of us" pitch, because they don't understand how to see things the way people who are perfectly comfortable leaving their homes unlocked see the world.

    •  I actually think... (4+ / 0-)

      that the attitude in play here is based on the fact that most of these rural people have learned to assume that other people will be just as honest and straight-forward as they are.

      I doubt if most of them are into telling lies or half-truths as a way of trying to control how people respond to them.

      I grew up outside a town of 7,000 people, and this pretty much describes my dad.  As a businessman, he was totally ethical, so he assumed Mitt Romney was as well.  And because he considers himself a Republican, his self-image depended on believing he knew the truth, even when he was being duped.  

      That's always the hard part - forcing someone to see how naive they've been, and how it was used to fool them.  It's not much fun being vulnerable like that, and a lot of people will do what they have to, to avoid seeing how duped they were, and how vulnerable it made them.  

      I would think a trace of cynicism would make it harder for people to be fooled, but too much is probably not such a good thing either.  Perhaps a combination of skepticism and cynicism is a goal to shoot for.

      I have actually never seen the Duck dynasty show, and only because aware of the discrepancies when the preppy photos were shown in a tabloid-style magazine at the grocery store.  In a way, it seems like it's just another "reality show" being used to keep the public amused and distracted, and another example of the dumbing-down of America.  

      Now if the DD guys did a show on the validity of global warming / climate change, they might be serving a useful purpose. ;-)  Until then, not so much.

    •  Rural folks and the truth (0+ / 0-)

      I grew up in southeastern Oklahoma and returned after 54 years. I went to a university, got a degree    and got some real eye-openers in those 54 years.

      There are 18 Democrats in my area. 18! The Republicans vote against their best interest in every election. I have neighbors that are "almost starving" and they still voted for Romney. The biggest surprise is   that my real cowboy neighbor voted for President Obama.

      People here are less trusting than they were when I was a teenager. We've inundated with deer hunters, fishermen and other types of sportsmen and they aren't always very nice. That tends to make people skittish with 'newcomers'.

      If I wasn't Bob Dylan, I'd probably think that Bob Dylan has a lot of answers myself. Bob Dylan

      by weezilgirl on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 08:49:09 PM PST

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  •  I only wthced the very end with New Rules (1+ / 0-)
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    because can not stand listening to Greenwald.
    I alos cannot stand the James Carvil, Mary Matlin routines

  •  Rural America is dying,... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...and with it the current Republican Party.  The Republican Party won't ultimately die.  It will, however, ultimately have to reform itself into something that addresses urban concerns.

    The fundamental problem the Republican Party has is that it's their beloved capitalism, as outlined in Adam Smith's The Wealth of Nations, that is killing Republican rural America.  Anybody who's read Smith can see how the processes he describes are fundamentally antagonistic toward rural life.

    The "capitalization" (industrialization) of farming has been driving the death stake deeper and deeper into rural towns.  Other industries are seldom interested in locating to rural because rural communities are too isolated from their supply chains and a broad supply of technically educated workers.  This is all precisely as the outline described by Republican Party's beloved Adam Smith predicts.

    So the modern Republican Party is largely populated by people who are rebelling against losing their way of life, and basic Republican Party policies are the main driving force destroying their lives.  That isn't to say that Democrats can realistic stop the process.  It wouldn't be practical.  However, Democrats can provide safety nets and policies designed to help soften the blow.  Republicans don't care.

    Check out the homeless people living in urban settings.  Take note of how many of them were not actually born in that city.  A huge majority were born in rural areas and moved to the city in the hope of finding work that the dying rural setting couldn't provide them.  However, they were not prepared to compete in the urban setting against those who grew up there (or in another city) and better understood the socioeconomic realities.

    Bigger Corporations = Smaller Individuals

    by Smeagel4T on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 04:57:18 PM PST

  •  Jeez, y'all, the guy's a stand up comedian (1+ / 0-)
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    with a TV show.

    "Onward through the fog!" - Oat Willie

    by rocksout on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 05:18:17 PM PST

  •  Live and learn, (1+ / 0-)
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    we all should. Many years ago I learned about smoke and mirrors when big name evangelist came to town for a nationally televised event. Most churches, including our small church sent volunteers and over a thousand people signed up. Then the pre-event brieting happened. Our jobs? Go down to the stage during the alter call. Thanks, but no thanks for the sham opportunity.

  •  Who is Bill Maher? (0+ / 0-)

    Just curious. Is he related to Bill Moyers?

    "You think this is bad. This ain't bad.," said the hobo to Billy Pilgrim on the train to Auschwitz in Slaughterhouse Five.

    by drfaustroll on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 05:44:03 PM PST

  •  Duck Die-Nasty Adherents (0+ / 0-)

    Unfortunately the Republicans/TeaParty no-minds never will figure it out.  Truth comes as a blinding light and misses the mark entirely with these blokes.  Let 'em suffer... they'll never know what happened.

  •  I do not listen to anything Bill Maher has to say (0+ / 0-)

    He has stated that he does not believe in God, so obviously he is not going to support any comments about religion on TV shows or in person!

  •  New Reality Check!! (0+ / 0-)

    Bill Maher is the ultimate "Entitled Enlightened Educated Elitist" survivor from the 1990s "lets trash everything about everyone not like us" school of comedy.  He is a failed television actor, failed film star, and failed stand-up who only has an audience as long as there is any kind of demagoguery left for the Loony Left to get away with.

    I am moderate and independent, but he is a living example that there is such a thing as too far left, just like Michael Savage is proof there is too far right.

    •  a sense of humour (1+ / 0-)
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      is required to appreciate Mr. Maher.

      And "moderate and independent"? If you have to tell us that…. ("Loony Left" gave you away, hon)

      "Please proceed, Governor"

      by portlandzoo on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 06:28:43 AM PST

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      •  Guess who really needs a 'reality check?' (0+ / 0-)

        You hit the nail on the head; Whitetiger33 is letting his partisan undergarments show. If you're an Independent, why is this person a member here at DKos, which is for Democrats and is designed to promote Democrats?

        Besides, Whitetiger33 is attacking the person, not anything of substance. Comparisons between Savage and Maher are a false equivalence, given that Maher deals in logic and Savage in emotion (often the hateful kind). Maher does not promote hate; he uses wit and humor to point out the foolishness and hypocrisy of those on the right. Maher is a comedian with a show that does mostly political comedy, whereas Savage is an extremist ideologue with shows where disinformation and propaganda are featured prominently.

  •  Question (3+ / 0-)
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    Do Republicans or Duck Dynasty fans actually care about the background of these people?  I can see why they ought to, but do they really?  Aren't they simply content to have that way of life aggrandized and revered by media representation, and it doesn't really matter who the actors actually are?

    I agree with Maher completely, but do the fans care?  I seem to recall a quote about it being easier to fool people than to convince them they've been fooled.  I've always found it difficult to get people to accept they were hoodwinked.  Ironically, the more willfully stupid people are, the more they embrace ignorance and reject education, the harder it is to convince them they can be fooled, much less easily.  Solipsism + cognitive dissonance is a powerful opiate.

    •  Good question with an astute answer. (0+ / 0-)

      Willful ignorance is perhaps the most difficult disease to cure. This is a condition almost exclusively suffered by those on the right, and it is a self-inflicted one.

      Facts, science and evidence mean little when voluntarily blinded by a bankrupt ideology. Racism and bigotry play a large role, which is really just more willful ignorance, but they don't entirely account for it. If it were boiled down to a single ingredient, I think what you will find is the driving force is fear, which is often irrational.

      Education can help, but it isn't a panacea, as some studies indicate different wiring in the brains of liberals and conservatives. As most of us on the left are aware, there are intelligent people on the right espousing very illogical ideas, so apparently the mechanism is a powerful one. If there is a cure, it may be the ridicule present in the comedic shows of Maher, Stewart and Colbert, which allows them to laugh at themselves and possibly reconsider strongly held beliefs.

  •  Bill Maher's also a foaming misogynist. (0+ / 0-)

    For some reason, some ex-Catholic males never drop their Church-taught contempt for all things female even if they drop every other aspect of the faith. (Hint: Rape jokes aren't funny even if Saint George Carlin tells them - nor when he dismisses anorexia as "a rich c**t don't wanna eat? Fuck her.".)

    When Maher's rape jokes and racist jokes get boos, he whines to the audience, "you're so politically correct" - which is White Male Asshole for "how dare you take offense at my jokes that attack people with less power than I have?"

    Bill sure talks the talk about being a liberal gadfly - but if Republicans agreed to legalize pot, he'd join them in a heartbeat.

    Thank God, the Bob Fosse Kid is here! - Colin Mochrie

    by gardnerhill on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 07:43:47 PM PST

  •  Right On! (0+ / 0-)

    Bill is so right about how these guys pulled the wool over people's eyes. Just like the Tea Party did, and just like the Republicans do all the time.

  •  uh yeah,... (1+ / 0-)
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    Matlin may have been under the influence of something but it didn't seem to affect her poor arguements for conservatism. They still made as little sense as usual.
    And I view the Duck Dynasty revelation as a litmus test for me. I wasn't fooled for a second by that show. It stunk of BS. So my BS detector is still working fine.

  •  He's somewhat liberal - though not nearly the (0+ / 0-)

    best political satirist around, Colbert laps the field there.  
    His interview with Glenzilla was fairly poorly thought out and the panel,with Matlin and Carville was more or less guaranteed to be worthless.

  •  ratings for (0+ / 0-)

    Dork Dynasty fell by almost a third for it's season premiere.

    Maybe its audience is growing a brain - or at least a stem.

    "Please proceed, Governor"

    by portlandzoo on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 06:24:24 AM PST

  •  What's all the pooo ??? (0+ / 0-)

    Since when has this type of reality program become a source of moral - spiritual and religious input.  Personally, I flush better things down my toilet each day than these "turds".

  •  Duck Dynasty (0+ / 0-)

    It's a joke, acehole. The joke's on you. We knew that from the beginning. Who could take them seriously? Can't you laugh?

  •  Daffy Duck Dynasty (0+ / 0-)

    Dear Daffy Duck Dynasty Fans , thanks to you the Daffy Duck Dynasty Boys and A & E are laughing all the way to the bank .

  •  Beer Belly Hill Billies- MUST READ!!! (0+ / 0-)

    "heroes to all the rural heartland traditional values gun nuts out there."?   Excuse you?!?!

    Now if that is not discrimination, then I don't know.  I am so tired of this pot calling the kettle black stuff.  The pot is the bigot, not the kettle.  

    This is a typical sweeping generalization.  The false assumption is that these guys ARE heroes to all the rural heartland traditional values gun nuts out there.  Erroneous logic error # 21.

    I don't live in the rural heartland, but even if I did, THIS is the category I would fit into; a traditional values person-yes, but a fan of duck dynasty- a resounding NO!  Then I should be able to say that someone like Castro is the hero of all those liberal agenda pansie loving nuts out there!  Hey, can't take the heat?  Then stay out of the kitchen!

    Then we have erroneous assumption # 3, all traditional values people like guns, and not only that, but they are GUN NUTS.
    False again, and yes.... again.

    So if you believe in the right to bear arms, as the constitution states, now that makes you a hill billy beer belly GUN NUT.

    Rebuttle # 5  I believe in the right to have guns, and I am definitely not a 'gun nut'!  Anyone see what is going on here?
    You believe in your right to have a gun under the constitution, so that makes you a 'gun nut'?  Seriously.  If people are too blind to see through this false logic, then God help us!

    There is a definite set up of traditional values believing people for their target practice, duck dynasty paid puppets and all.   Ya'll gittin' any o' this yet?  Not to mention that confiscation of all guns and weapons that all of this drama is paving the way for when that police state sweeps in...   don't believe me?  Jist wait.

    Yip, it's all gun nuts!

    •  As I told the gun salesman - (0+ / 0-)

      "I would never hurt an animal - I'm buying this gun to use on people!"  He looked startled and worried, then his face relaxed and he wrote "self-defense" on the form.  Of course I never said self-defense, and I didn't say, 'Republicans', no matter what I may have been thinking.

      Warren/Grayson 2016! Yes We Can!

      by BenFranklin99 on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 10:25:00 PM PST

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  •  The Republican Party (0+ / 0-)

    Every Republican voter who isn't a millionaire is a patsy.  The Republican Party consists of a few wealthy evil people who shop at Saks Fifth Avenue, who manipulate millions of stupid people who shop at WalMart.

    Warren/Grayson 2016! Yes We Can!

    by BenFranklin99 on Wed Jan 22, 2014 at 10:21:32 PM PST

  •  Maher's "Duck Dynasty" comments are old news... (0+ / 0-)

    The pseudo-hick "stars" of A&E's "Duck Dynasty" unreality show have already SAID that their shtick is all just an act. You know, just the other evening, I managed to watch about ten minutes of this hillbilly tripe, just to see what all the fuss is about with the show's fans, and honestly, I don't get it. Actually, the party we should be calling out for putting this shit on the air and pandering to every gun-loving rube in America is A&E. Instead of cancelling "Duck Dynasty," or at least suspending or firing the family patriarch, Phil Robertson, for the offensive comments he made during a magazine interview, A&E chose to go for the filthy lucre. "Duck Dynasty" is their most popular show, which translates to lots of cash for their network. They chose not to kill their cash cow, and instead continue to offend the sensibilities of anybody with the sense God gave a goose. Or should I say "duck?"

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