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If Indiana Republicans have their way, Indiana will not just be fighting the tide of history, but furiously backpedaling. In the past few weeks, marriage equality has been upheld in Utah and Oklahoma, of all places, and voters in Utah said they're okay with civil unions and are leaning toward being okay with full marriage. Utah! So here's Indiana, trying to put one of the most restrictive civil unions and marriage amendments in the country into their constitution.

Actually, not all Republicans in Indiana think that. In fact, there are possibly enough of them on the House Judiciary Committee who don't like the idea of this constitutional amendment,that the Republican House Speaker might remove them from the committee.

INDIANAPOLIS | House Speaker Brian Bosma, R-Indianapolis, may take the extraordinary step of replacing members on the House Judiciary Committee to ensure the marriage amendment wins committee approval and gets a vote by the full House.

"I've said one person shouldn't make the decision; we've got to figure out if a couple people ought to make the decision for all Hoosiers," Bosma said. "The speaker, of course, has the power to move bills and has complete autonomy over committee membership. [...] Our rules clearly provide for it," Bosma said. "Members serve at the pleasure of the speaker."

Goal ThermometerThis constitutional amendment cannot appear on the ballot this fall if the legislature doesn't pass it. Despite the large Republican majority, at least three Republicans on the Judiciary Committee want to scuttle it. The bill was supposed to have been voted on last Monday, but the vote has been postponed until sometime this week. That gives Bosma time to issue threats like this, but it also gives groups like Freedom Indiana the time to lobby the legislature.

One of the reasons that some Republicans might be a little hesitant on this bill is the long list of opponents who don't want to see discrimination constitutionalized in their state. That list includes some very major heavy-hitters, like major corporations Cummins and Eli Lilly & Co., not to mention almost all of the states institutions of higher learning.

Let's give these organizations, and Freedom Indiana a hand in fighting against discrimination this week.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Mon Jan 20, 2014 at 04:00 PM PST.

Also republished by Kossacks for Marriage Equality and Indianapolis Kossacks.

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  •  its indiana (7+ / 0-)

    Its Indiana they once had a KKK grand wizard as gov.

  •  Marriage equality (7+ / 0-)

    This will be the law of the land soon.  Too many states are making this happen and too many people in America are in favor of this kind of legislation.  It is a fruitless battle now for the radical far right.  

    It will all work out just fine, Joan.  

  •  What a stupid f**k! (5+ / 0-)
    "I've said one person shouldn't make the decision; we've got to figure out if a couple people ought to make the decision for all Hoosiers,"
    So a committee or House vote where it's 49-51 isn't valid?

    Where do they get these people?

    - Rich

    "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." - Thomas Jefferson

    by rfall on Mon Jan 20, 2014 at 04:15:57 PM PST

    •  It's worse than that (3+ / 0-)
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      INDIANAPOLIS | House Speaker Brian Bosma, R-Indianapolis, may take the extraordinary step of replacing members on the House Judiciary Committee to ensure the marriage amendment wins committee approval and gets a vote by the full House.
      "I've said one person shouldn't make the decision; we've got to figure out if a couple people ought to make the decision for all Hoosiers," Bosma said.
      But of course, if the House Speaker doesn't like the way the vote is going, he could remove committee members who don't vote his way.  So "One person shouldn't make the decision"... unles of course that one person is House Speaker Bosma.  

      I suppose we need a corollary to IOKIYAR, and add IOKIYAHS.

      "The most dangerous worldview, is the worldview of those who have not viewed the world." Alexander von Humboldt

      by TX Freethinker on Mon Jan 20, 2014 at 06:46:20 PM PST

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  •  rights extreme measure to fight equality (1+ / 0-)
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    Dave in Northridge

    we should encourage the right to walk in the direction of their own insanity.  let us help them walk to the edge of the flat earth they believe in and hope they fall into the abyss of their own inhumanity toward others.

    •  Terrible idea! (1+ / 0-)
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      George W. Bush and Dick Cheney killed a lot of people before their party was steamrolled in the 2006 and 2008 elections.

      Letting the right walk continually down the path of their own ignorance before the simple nature of their inhumanity finally draws America's centrists to side with the Dems is dumb. Let's get the centrists to vote in the correct fashion BEFORE too much damage is done.

      There are many good gay and lesbian Hoosiers. A gay couple I knew when I lived in Fort Wayne could be negatively affected by this. The sort of apathy that East Coast dems show for red state liberals ("Well, what are you doing living in Texas in the first place??") is stupid. We can't all afford to up stakes and move to the liberal meccas of New York and Seattle! We love our red state homes and we want our states to turn blue (or at least a nice shade of purple!) sooner rather than later. Having our liberal brothers and sisters say "Oh well, it's just Tennessee/Indiana/Wyoming/Texas/etc." is hurtful.

  •  The Ohio legislature did some senator-swapping to (11+ / 0-)

    get SB-5 through committee and onto the floor for a vote a couple years back. Seitz was pulled off one committee, Oelslager another. It ultimately passed by 1 vote (and then, as we all know, was defeated when actual voters got their say).

    If these clowns will do it to their own members, is it any surprise they do it to us?

    Fox News' ROI: The Redistribution Of Ignorance.

    by here4tehbeer on Mon Jan 20, 2014 at 04:20:34 PM PST

    •  Indiana has changed so much in the past few years (8+ / 0-)

      when it comes to marriage equality. I am optimistic that the voters - even generally conservative voters - won't pass this if Bosma manages to get this abomination on the ballot. Too many family members have come out and tied the knot or plan to.

      "Let us not look back to the past with anger, nor towards the future with fear, but look around with awareness." James Thurber

      by annan on Mon Jan 20, 2014 at 04:49:58 PM PST

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      •  Even if they do... (5+ / 0-)
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        It is likely that it will not stand up in a state supreme court challenge and or a federal court and that may facilitate a speedier legalization so... Please proceed conservatives... please proceed.

        "Perhaps the sentiments contained in the following pages, are not YET sufficiently fashionable to procure them general favour..."

        by Buckeye Nut Schell on Mon Jan 20, 2014 at 04:53:26 PM PST

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      •  Ohio as well. Been quite a shift from the 11 state (2+ / 0-)
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        Marriage Ban Constitutional Amendment onslaught otherwise known as "Bush/Cheney 2004 GOTV".

        I'd hesitate to say that our Republican Party is getting any more moderate — I just don't think their teabagging masters see denying marriage equality as essential to their Freedumbs as abortion nowhere, guns everywhere, and One True God hell-bent on depriving the poors of affordable healthcare.

        And Benghazi also, too.

        Fox News' ROI: The Redistribution Of Ignorance.

        by here4tehbeer on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 02:15:00 AM PST

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        •  Another front page story today describes (2+ / 0-)
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          open warfare between the Religious Right church wing and the Tea Party wing in Oklahoma, for replacing Sen. Coburn when he steps down. The church bigots are not going to give up on gaybashing, while the Libertarians are largely against the bashing, and the national Republicans and the Wall Street/Chamber of Commerce/1% wing want the issue to go away.

          Here in Indiana, we have a number of Republicans on our side, including three on the Assembly committee. So the vote would have gone against getting HJR 3 out of committee. The committee chair took the highly unusual step of not holding that vote at the end of the hearing that was just held, and Bosma is taking the nearly unprecedented step of rejiggering the committee to replace one or more of the saner Republicans. Freedom Indiana plans to demand a new hearing with the new members in place if that happens.

          Hoosiers may want to watch the coverage on Indiana Week in Review on Friday.

          Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

          by Mokurai on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 09:01:45 AM PST

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  •  Contributed, republished, tweeted (1+ / 0-)
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    Navy Vet Terp

    Actually matched all the previous contributions when I did. I hope it works.

  •  Nah, let it happen. (0+ / 0-)

    Not to get all uber-Marxist (yea, Red Brigades) on you, but on this issue it's important to "sharpen the contradictions" in order to give a clear choice to that majority of the population that, from all the evidence, doesn't particularly care and won't care until they can see the true character of both sides.  Then, of course, you have the judicial angle where we know from Prop 8 that you need the overt malice of the most extreme anti-equality measures to clarify the constitutional issue for your run-of-the-mill judge.  Overall I think we move things along by letting things like this happen and challenging them as crappy laws.

    It's not the side effects of the cocaine/I'm thinking that it must be love

    by Rich in PA on Mon Jan 20, 2014 at 04:44:00 PM PST

  •  if they'd had the votes (5+ / 0-)

    this anti-marriage/anti-family amendment would have been neatly voted through already.

    I was a little surprised when that didn't happen. Congratulations to Indianans for getting a taste of the change in the air.

    If Bosma wants to pledge his allegiance to Putin, like Pat Buchanan, well, I'm sure there's a dacha waiting for him.

  •  The difference I'm seeing these days (0+ / 0-)

    between Democratic and Republican legislators, both state and national seems to be quite obvious.

    The Dem people I hear about in the news and online seem to want to pass laws and take care of business.

    The Repub ones I'm reading about all seem to be upset that they aren't already dictators that rule every aspect of our lives according to the laws of their personal church, be it Christian or financial -- both seem to apply these days.  But they're all for smaller government, of course, in the next breath.  Cruz, Bachmann(shudder), Gohmert, Cantor, this guy, the entire Wisconsin GOP, etc, etc, etc.

    We Americans need to get our collective heads out of our Iphones or whatever and start paying attention to the things that REALLY matter.

    •  Actually, Republicans are sharply divided (0+ / 0-)

      on Marriage Equality. The Religious Right hates it. Libertarians are largely for it. The money wants the issue to go away, and doesn't much care how that comes about.

      Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

      by Mokurai on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 09:15:37 AM PST

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  •  Have the GOP forgotten Minnesota? (2+ / 0-)
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    It seems some in the GOP have forgotten all about Minnesota already, and how putting a gay marriage ban on the ballot backfired big time on them (losing them the control of the state legislature).

    We may be too deeply in the minority for one election to get that big of a swing there (and I don't know if the state legislature is even up for a vote in the same election this would appear), but it can definitely bite them in the butt.

    Plus, the way courts are striking down gay marriage bans left and right even in deep red states show that there's next to nothing to gain by putting this on the ballot.

  •  why would any woman (0+ / 0-)

    want to marry a neanderthal like this, he and those like him might make another man their only option for marriage at least in indiana.
    they do still have basketball and guns in indiana so all is not lost.
    i kid because i care.

    save america defeat all republicans and conservatives

  •  Major employers, Eli Lily and both of the Big Ten (1+ / 0-)
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    Universities in Indiana are fighting this with big bucks.

  •  Ugh. (0+ / 0-)

    "I've said one person shouldn't make the decision; we've got to figure out if a couple people ought to make the decision for all Hoosiers,"

    Where was this clown when a large minority wanted to put "Right-to-Work" on the ballot instead of ramming it through the legislature in 2012?

  •  I attended a meeting of the Democratic Ladies (0+ / 0-)

    of Bartholomew County in Columbus, Indiana, yesterday, with Peter Hanscom, Deputy Campaign Manager of Freedom Indiana, invited to speak about the campaign against HJR 3. The campaign is decently funded by companies such as Eli Lilly and Cummins, and by small donors, and is well organized, with both Democratic and Republican support. FI has campaigns with locals managing them throughout the state organizing local events.

    FI has been making hundreds of thousands of phone calls, and has gotten thousands of Hoosiers to call their legislators. This is in sharp contrast with the opposition, which is Astroturfing phone calls from across the country, with no effort at targeting legislative districts. For example,

    NOM blog: Action Alert: Fight for Marriage Amendment in Indiana!

    Our testimony at the hearing just held was in large part from Hoosier couples, and their friends, families, and employers, explaining how the anti-equality law and proposed amendment affect them directly, while the opposition brought in bigots from out of state who repeated many of the usual lies about pseudo-scientific studies of gay families, pseudo-economics, and the like.

    Also two "former" lesbians from the Pray Away the Gay crowd at Exodus International.

    Here is the most breathtaking lie on marriage I have encountered anywhere.

    Gov. Pence: States with Marriage Amendments Have Fastest Growing Economies

    Yes, sure, Mike, and we don't need Medicaid expansion or union rights or voting rights or much of anything else, do we?

    Defense in depth against HJR 3 is planned, first in the House Judiciary Committee; then on the floor of the House; then in the Senate; then at the ballot box. The committee strategy is in part to embarrass the Republicans, if such a thing is possible, or rather to get those who see gay-bashing as a losing issue to come out of the political closet. Then on the floor, there will be attempts to amend the bill. There is a companion bill, HB 1153, purporting to explain the legislative intent, as though a bill could control the meaning of the Constitution, rather than the other way around.

    The general assembly intends and establishes that the purpose of the marriage amendment is to restrict the state, through legislative, executive, or judicial action, from creating or recognizing a legal status between unmarried individuals equivalent or substantially similar to marriage between one (1) man and one (1) woman. The first sentence of the marriage amendment prohibits the recognition of marriage between persons  other than one (1) man and one (1) woman. The second sentence of the marriage amendment prohibits the state from circumventing the mandate of the first sentence by creating or recognizing a legal status equivalent or substantially similar to marriage by a different name.
    But HB 1153 explicitly denies any intention of interfering with private sector employment benefits, local ordinances, powers of attorney, wills, trusts, contracts, domestic violence protections, or legislation affecting unmarried persons. As though that were possible.

    So it is proposed to put the clarifications into the amendment, thus restarting the clock on a new bill, which would have to pass in two successive legislative sessions before going to the voters. That would take us at least to 2016, when everything may change. Also, any amendment would likely require a conference committee to reconcile House and Senate versions of the bill, at which anything might happen, or the whole project might quietly die.

    There does not seem to be any hope of getting the Senate to reject HJR 3, but Senate hearings will provide more opportunities for us to get the word out, and more hypocrisy and Astroturfing for us to expose.

    We do not want to go to the effort and expense of a public vote if we can prevent it, but we are prepared with a really good GOTV bank of phone numbers, e-mail addresses, and street addresses if it comes to that. And if it comes to that, we will take the opportunity to target the more vulnerable of the opponents of Marriage Equality in the legislature, as happened in Minnesota.

    I have just volunteered to be part of the Freedom Indiana project in Columbus.

    Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

    by Mokurai on Tue Jan 21, 2014 at 10:06:23 AM PST

  •  This is a civil rights issue pure and simple (0+ / 0-)

    I got into a heated exchange with a long time friend on the topic of same sex relationships.  Neither one of us are involved in that type of relationship as far as I know,

    For some reason he is violently upset and totally opposed to the entire idea.

    I am in favor of people doing what they choose and view it as a God given right that is inseparable from existence.

    "I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness," Allen Ginsberg

    by Hermenutic on Sun Jan 26, 2014 at 10:41:20 AM PST

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