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In the last two decades, the deep-pocketed NRA has increasingly relied on the support of another constituency: the $12-billion-a-year gun industry, made up of manufacturers and sellers of firearms, ammunition and related wares.

That alliance was sealed in 2005, when Congress, after heavy NRA lobbying, approved a measure that gave gun makers and gun distributors broad, and unprecedented, immunity from a wave of liability lawsuits related to gun violence in America’s cities.

It was a turning point for both the NRA and the industry, both of which recognized the mutual benefits of a partnership. That same year, the NRA also launched a lucrative new fundraising drive to secure “corporate partners” that’s raked in millions from the gun industry to boost its operations.

In 2006, the Walmart announced that it was rolling back gun sales, citing declining profit margins on the relatively expensive weapons, which even at Walmart can retail for hundreds of dollars. But in 2011, company executives were looking at eight straight quarters of declining sales at stores open for a year or more—the worst slump in Walmart’s history.

Walmart did take notice that Barack Obama’s inauguration had sparked a rally in gun sales, which have steadily increased every year since 2008. Remember the rallying cry from the NRA was Obama is coming for your guns, but I have yet to see Obama coming for anyone’s guns. Walmart helped to fuel the fear because it was economically in their best interests to do so.

The government isn’t allowed to track firearm sales, but the FBI does release figures on how many retailers ask it to run background checks—a relatively reliable indicator of total gun sales, although likely a lowball estimate, since a person can buy multiple guns on a single background check, and many gun shows aren’t required to perform such checks. In 2007, retailers asked the FBI for just over 11 million background checks; by the end of 2009, 14 million checks were requested—a 27 percent increase.

Walmart knew what the increase in background checks meant, it meant that guns sales were on the increase and they wanted to make sure they were prepared. Guns meant profit and Walmart’s profits were not doing so well.

In April 2011, Walmart began stocking guns in more and more stores, expanding the sales to 1,750 outlets nationwide. By the end of that year, the FBI received 16.4 million background check requests; the number is 16.8 million for 2012. Overall Walmart sales figures are back on track after the 2011 slump, and executive vice president Duncan Mac Naughton told shareholders at a meeting in October 2012 that gun sales in particular are a staple of the chain’s strategy to continue boosting its numbers. He said that over the past twenty-six months, gun sales at Walmart stores open for a year or more were up an astonishing 76 percent, while ammunition sales were up 30 percent. Walmart is now the biggest seller of firearms and ammunition in America.

The move belies Walmart and the Walton family’s support of pro-gun politicians and the company’s reliance on gun sales.

While Walmart uses guns to boost its sales and the Waltons make billions off of Walmart, they continue working behind the scenes through political giving and the Walton Family Foundation’s membership in ALEC to undermine public safety.

Walmart'srole as the nation’s largest seller of guns and ammunition has been widely reported; their role in supporting a pro-gun political agenda has not been widely understood.

Between the 2010 and 2012 federal election cycles, Walmart's PAC gave just over $1 million to candidates endorsed by the NRA, based on our analysis of data from the Center for Responsive Politics and NRA Political Victory Fund grades and endorsements. The Waltons gave another half a million to NRA-endorsed federal politicians over that time period, including super PAC funds. In fact, among politicians with 2012 grades from the NRA, 87% of the Waltons’ 2010-2012 cycle contributions went to candidates with scores between A+ and A-.

Beyond their direct support for NRA-endorsed candidates, Walmart and the Walton family have also helped support a pro-gun agenda through their participation in the right-wing American Legislative Exchange Council. ALEC, a membership organization made up primarily of companies and conservative state legislators, produces right-wing model legislation that is then introduced in state legislatures nationwide.

ALEC’s pro-gun efforts have included opposing bans on semi-automatic weapons and opposing waiting periods for background checks. ALEC also helped propagate the notorious “Stand Your Ground” law linked to the killing of Trayvon Martin in Florida. The “Stand Your Ground” law, which initially shielded Martin’s shooter from arrest in weeks following the killing, came out of an ALEC working committee co-chaired by a Walmart executive Janet Scott in 2005.

Of course Walmart opposes bans on semi-automatic weapons and background checks, semi-automatic weapons have a higher profit margin and they want the gun sale to be instantaneous, they want the guns out of the store and on the street where they can create more mass shootings because mass shootings are good for business.  

Last year, amid public pressure, Walmart withdrew from ALEC. The Walton Family Foundation is still a member of ALEC.

Originally posted to Carrie Larson on Thu Jan 30, 2014 at 07:09 AM PST.

Also republished by Shut Down the NRA, Firearms Law and Policy, and Repeal or Amend the Second Amendment (RASA).

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  •  Walmart has to run a background check on (7+ / 0-)

    every firearm they sell.


    Full stop.

    There are NO exceptions to this rule.

  •  The TRUE gun problem: corrupt politics (13+ / 0-)

    Thank you for this article.  

    Your article highlights what is for me the TRUE nature of the problem of gun violence in America: a system of government that allows the wealthy and large corporations to buy the laws those wealthy individuals and corporations want.

    So the gun industry is able to buy a law that shields gun owners who shoot others.  The gun industry buys a law that makes it easer and faster to sell guns.  The gun industry buys a law that protects itself from consumer liability suits.

    This problem is not confined only to guns and gun violence.  We see the same dynamic in the laws regarding health care for Americans.  We see the same dynamic with regards to American energy policy.  We see the same dynamic with regards to environmental protections.

    We can expect to see more laws that make it easier to buy and use guns, AND the accompanying increase in gun violence, unless we change a system of government that allows wealthy individuals and corporations to buy the laws they want.

    Because for the gun industry, selling injury and death IS their business model.

    "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

    by Hugh Jim Bissell on Thu Jan 30, 2014 at 07:46:11 AM PST

  •  "many gun shows aren’t required" (10+ / 0-)

    Sigh, I am tired of reading this incorrect statement over and over.  THIS IS NOT TRUE.  FFL vendors at a gunshow have to do a background check just as they would at a brick and mortar store.  People confuse "gunshow" sales and "private sales."  Yes, there are private individual to individual sales (transfers is a more broadly applicable term) that do occur around gunshows. It isn't a loophole as it is completely LEGAL transaction.   And in many states private transfers ARE regulated to some extent so they still require some sort of background check or firearm license (more for handgun transfers than rifles and shotguns).

    I went into science for the money and the sex. Imagine my surprise.

    by Mote Dai on Thu Jan 30, 2014 at 08:03:19 AM PST

    •  I'm trying to decide whether or not (1+ / 0-)
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      To go through and point out all the factual errors in this diary or if it just isn't worth the effort.

    •  You are half right...private sellers are exempt (7+ / 0-)

      It is a loophole and one that needs to be closed.

      Did you know you can buy a gun over the internet without a background check? That's another loophole that needs to be closed.

      Gun Show Loophole

      In 33 states, private gun owners are not restricted from selling guns at gun shows. Buyers who purchase guns from individuals are not required to submit to the federal background checks in place for licensed dealers. Critics say that firearms can be obtained illegally as a result, calling it the “gun show loophole.” Proponents of unregulated gun show sales say that there is no loophole; gun owners are simply selling or trading guns at the shows as they would do at their residence.

      Federal legislation has attempted to put an end to the so-called loophole by requiring all gun show transactions to take place through FFL dealers. Most recently, a 2009 bill attracted several co-sponsors in both the U.S. House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate. However, Congress ultimately failed to take up consideration of the legislation.

      •  Internet sales (6+ / 0-)

        must go through a FFL.

        "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

        by happy camper on Thu Jan 30, 2014 at 08:28:33 AM PST

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      •  It's not a loophole. That's the way the law was (5+ / 0-)

        designed. If the law says you're able to go 55 on the highway, when you go 55, you're not exploiting some loophole that allows you to go that fast.

      •  As happy camper pointed out (3+ / 0-)
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        Factually incorrect. I can meet someone on the internet and then (only if they reside in the same state as me) arrange to meet them in person and buy a firearm. However I cannot "can buy a gun over the internet without a background check".

        I "bought a gun over the internet" about a month ago. They were required to ship it to a local gun shop where I went through a background check before I could pick it up.

        •  WRONG SO, SO WRONG (6+ / 0-)

          So Gibbon hooked up with his academy buddy Brian Mancini, and two years later the pair launched a website they thought was destined to fill a natural void in the online marketplace: Armslist, a website devoted specifically to the private sales of guns and related gear. The site allows private sellers to offer guns for sale to other private purchasers. Buyers can contact sellers via phone or email to set up the sale, and avoid going through a federal background check or even leaving a paper trail. Such transactions are more anonymous than purchasing a weapon at a gun show, where people who can’t pass a background check can buy large quantities of guns.

          Armslist quickly took off. By 2011, it was one of the largest online gun sites in the country, with more than 13,000 active listings for firearms. The site also had another, more dubious distinction: Weapons obtained through the site have been tied to the murders of four people and one suicide. An undercover New York City investigation (PDF) found that the site likely was a major conduit for illegal gun sales.

          Your point was???

          •  No, you are WRONG SO WRONG (3+ / 0-)
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            If you purchase a firearm off armslist it must be shipped by an FFL and received by an FFL unless you both reside in the same state and meet in person to transact the sale.

            In the case cited in the Mother Jones article the buyer FLEW TO ANOTHER STATE and lied about what state he resided in. Hardly the kind of thing that happens very often.

            •  Nope you are wrong, very wrong (6+ / 0-)

              Besides Mr. Roman-Martinez, the Times investigation led to Gerard Toolin, 46, of Walterboro, S.C., who is a fugitive from the Rhode Island police and has two outstanding felony warrants as well as a misdemeanor warrant. His legal status bars him from owning guns, but he was recently seeking to buy an AK-47 assault rifle on Armslist and was also  trying to trade a Marlin rifle. He posted photos to his Facebook account of an AK-47 he had already purchased, along with a variety of other guns.

              There was also Martin Fee, who has a domestic battery conviction in Florida and other arrests and convictions in Florida and New Jersey, including for drug possession, burglary and larceny. He was selling a Chinese SKS rifle on the classified section of another Web site,

              The examination of Armslist raised questions about whether many sellers are essentially functioning as unlicensed firearms dealers, in contravention of federal law. The law says that people who “engage in the business” of selling firearms need to obtain a license and conduct background checks on customers. While the definition of engaging in business is vague, The Times found that more than two dozen people had posted more than 20 different guns for sale in a several-month span.

              Among them was Joshua Lovejoy, 32, who since November has advertised more than 100 guns on Armslist, mostly in Canton, Ohio, ranging from AR-15 assault rifles to Glock 19 semiautomatic pistols. He once  listed more than 20 guns in a single ad. He insisted in a telephone interview, however, that he had sold only a few.

               Then there was Ron Metz, 49, who has advertised more than 80 guns from Anderson, S.C., since February. Mr. Metz said in an interview he had needed money, so he started selling some guns and trading for others. He also bought other guns, which he turned around and sold as well. He said he had no real idea how many he had sold, guessing that it was more than a dozen. He never keeps any records and does not do any background checks, explaining: “I can just sort of read people.”

              “You think I broke a law?” he asked.

              So yes you can very much buy a gun over the Internet WITHOUT a background check..
              Again what is your point? Does happen very often REALLY??? REALLY?
               An ad for a “new in box” Ruger rifle posted on April 1 in Indianapolis stated that if the buyer was out of state, the seller would ship to the buyer’s “front door,” “person to private person.”

              A seller on another ad, posted April 2, in Brighton, Colo., vented about repeated no-shows in his previous attempts to sell the gun, so he made clear, “No more out of state.”

              Many ads simply require the transactions occur “face to face.” Some even provide assurances: “no questions asked” and “no paperwork.”

              The loose online atmosphere was evident in the case of an Arizona gun dealer, Walter Young, who pleaded guilty last week to a federal gun charge stemming from an investigation into his sale of a .50-caliber rifle, dozens of gun kits and thousands of rounds of ammunition to an anonymous buyer who contacted him on

              So your point is since it doesn't happen very often then there is no need to worry about... Should I keep posting how often it does happen? Oh and what about this:
              In the case of Radcliffe Haughton, the Wisconsin man who killed his wife, the person who sold him the gun on Armslist told federal investigators that he had checked Mr. Haughton’s driver’s license to make sure he was a Wisconsin resident. He also said he asked Mr. Haughton if he was prohibited from having firearms, but he indicated he was not. Does not sound like a background check to me, sounds like someone wanting to make some money. Does not sound like they actually did a background check...


              •  Finding a gun online (5+ / 0-)

                and buying it in person is not "buying a gun online". It is illegal to ship a firearm to a person who is not an FFL holder except for shipping it to yourself (I'm going hunting in Montana and I ship it to the lodge with myself as the recipient) or shipping a gun back to it's original owner after a repair or replacement. So unless the seller broke federal law, they met the person face to face to do the transaction.

                In most of the cases you cite the owner broke existing law, arrest them.

          •  Here is the FAQ from Gunbroker, an online gun (4+ / 0-)

            If your item is a firearm, you will need to get a copy of your transfer dealer's FFL license, signed by the dealer in blue or red ink, and enclose that with payment. You may need to send proof of age for other purchases;

            Honestly, why are you so hostile to people that have actually gone through the process?
            They obviously have a better grasp on the subject as they have actually done it.

            Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

            by FrankRose on Thu Jan 30, 2014 at 09:03:19 AM PST

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            •  Never had good luck online (2+ / 0-)
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              With Gunbroker or armslist. By the time I pay the fee to use a debit card (or wait weeks for a check to clear), pay the fee the local FFL charges for doing the transfer, etc... it's cheaper to just find one at a local gun shop. The exception would be if I was looking for something rare or obscure that was difficult to find.

              •  The shipping & FFL fee from the dealer adds @ (1+ / 0-)
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                But it's good for ammo & accessories.
                And when you can't find it locally.
                I went through an online auction for a K31, but if I had a choice I would have just bought it locally. It's nerve-racking for a Luddite like me to send money for something that hasn't been shipped yet & I had only seen in photos.

                Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                by FrankRose on Thu Jan 30, 2014 at 09:41:01 AM PST

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              •  Go get your C&R FFL (0+ / 0-)

                Pay the $30 for the three-year C&R and it pays for itself with one transfer fee.  Of course, this is limited to C&R firearms but there are some really interesting ones especially if you like bolt action or military surplus firearms.

                I went into science for the money and the sex. Imagine my surprise.

                by Mote Dai on Thu Jan 30, 2014 at 07:35:57 PM PST

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          •  Armslist is NOT a vendor (0+ / 0-)

            It is like Craigslist.  It is a place to list firearms for sale and those transactions are still regulated by Federal and state laws.  It is an online version of a newspaper's classified ads section.  Armslist seems to get all the atention, but there are also many Buy/Sell/Trade forums on many well-established gun boards and all of those transactions are still regulated by Federal and state laws.  If someone LIES to obtain a firearm then he or she has broken the law.

            Private transfers are legal and are not some magical loophole.  There are rules that govern them and they frequently differ by State.  I think private transfers are regulated in some way or another in 11 States.  That may not sound like many, but those 11 States account for the majority of the population in the US (California, New York, Illinois, etc).   If someone sells you a handgun from Armslist without doing the checks, THEY ARE BREAKING THE LAW.  You cannot make more laws to make it somehow "more illegal."

            I went into science for the money and the sex. Imagine my surprise.

            by Mote Dai on Thu Jan 30, 2014 at 07:33:06 PM PST

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      •  you can steal them too and oh what a temptation (4+ / 0-)

        when they are everywhere

        A lone burglar broke into the store early Nov. 17, sneaking around graveyard shift employees during their lunch hour. With dark gloves and his face shrouded by his hooded sweatshirt, the man made his way to the gun section. He used a crowbar to crack into the back of the display case.
        He then stole 30 Beretta and Ruger handguns, some distinctly colored pink, purple and maroon. -
        See more at:

        these are still on the street

        Freds is a Kroger owned, often co-located near a Walmart, doubling the availability

        thank you so much for this diary Loki

      •  Others have responded but... (1+ / 0-)
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        No, you cannot legally just go online and get a gun.  If someone does that, they have broken the law.  You are conflating two different things: legality and occurrence.  We are saying those things are doesn't mean that they don't happen.  Driving while drunk is illegal.  Does it happen?  Can you find drunk drivers?  Yep, all the time.  Go to ANY major online vendor and you will see that you cannot simply buy a gun and have it shipped to your house directly.  Armslist is NOT a vendor.  It is sort of a Craigslist of firearms that brings private parties together.  And all laws must still be followed.  Same thing with Gun Broker.  Shipping of the firearm must be to a FFL holder (usually a 01 or 03).

        I cannot LEGALLY go online and just simply buy a gun.  There are already numerous laws that restrict this (both Federally and in many states).  If someone does that, they have broken the law.

        And legally selling a gun in a private transaction is not a "loophole."  The laws are written specifically to allow it and there are rules that govern it.  How is that loophole?  Now, you may not like it, but it is still legal.

        I went into science for the money and the sex. Imagine my surprise.

        by Mote Dai on Thu Jan 30, 2014 at 05:08:59 PM PST

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  •  I've looked in quite a few Walmarts and I've seen (4+ / 0-)

    hardly any guns, mostly common ammunition. When I do see guns they've all been rifles. Might be different other places but I do live in a gun friendly area. Walmart is good for grabbing up a brick of rimfire to go shoot cans, and that's about it.

    “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

    by ban nock on Thu Jan 30, 2014 at 08:44:05 AM PST

    •  For the last year or so (4+ / 0-)

      Walmart in this area stays sold out of most ammo. It's bought up before they can unbox it and stock it. That seems to be easing a bit recently.

      They also do not sell handguns. Not sure if that's nationwide or not. They have one small case with shotguns, deer season muzzleloaders, and yes, a AR or two.

      •  They sell ammo at regular prices, haven't jacked (2+ / 0-)
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        up the price due to shortage.

        Lately at the big box hunting stores I've noticed they have everything except rimfire. All sizes of pre loaded, plus powder, bullets, etc. I think rimfire will return soon.

        “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

        by ban nock on Thu Jan 30, 2014 at 09:15:25 AM PST

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        •  Rimfire just came back (0+ / 0-)

          To the online store where I buy most of my ammo. They sent out an email letting customers know it was back in stock (at twice it's pre-shortage price). Prices are coming down a bit finally as well. I found 50 round boxes of range grade .45 ACP for $19.95 a few days ago and almost fell over.

  •  Wow. Lies, propaganda -and- character smears! (2+ / 0-)
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    Loki and Hugh have covered the angles pretty thoroughly, not much room for people like 88kathy and coquiero to even get in a word without repeating someone else's nonsense.

    You two didn't get the memo. You are supposed to leave some room for others to get in on the "torches & pitchforks" action.

    I'm sure both farmernate and I could readily point out the numerous errors and falsehoods, but it is pretty clear that stuff like "facts" are not part of how you determine whether something is true or not.

    •  Disagreement with RKBA=torches and pitchforks (1+ / 0-)
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      Interesting theory you got there.

      I'm sure farmernate and you could singlehandedly do a lot of things...mostly insult and tell people to stop asking for reasonable gun restrictions because you'll never get it and you're going to ruin the party and Colorado and just stop it because.

      Many, many people in this country would like to see the 2nd Amendment protected and practiced with reason and safety for all Americans.

      How awful for you.

      Imagine how many more "facts" we might have at our disposal if we could just have access to firearms sales.  Then no one would need to speculate.

      But the NRA wants to keep the public in the dark, because - you guessed it - Freedom.

      I blog about my daughter with autism at her website

      by coquiero on Thu Jan 30, 2014 at 04:46:41 PM PST

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    •  And bonus character smears (2+ / 0-)
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      So you complain about character smears by making one against 88Kathy and I, who weren't even in this comment thread?

      Keep it classy, Shamash!

      I blog about my daughter with autism at her website

      by coquiero on Thu Jan 30, 2014 at 05:21:49 PM PST

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  •  Well done LokiGirl (6+ / 0-)

    The role of ALEC and those who still fund ALEC needs more exposure.

    You broke it down very well... just following the money.

    Frankly, I don't know how FFLs compete with gray market servicing unlicensed dealers and sellers.

    "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” — William Arthur Ward

    by LilithGardener on Thu Jan 30, 2014 at 10:14:10 AM PST

  •  Quibble on terminology: Guns show vs private sale (6+ / 0-)

    The distinguishing difference is commercial sales, selling to the public, vs. private sales, selling to someone you know. The former requires a federal firearm license, the later does not.

    In some states gun shows allow unlicensed private sellers to set up booths and sell, trade, buy firearms with other unlicensed individuals. That loophole is what your diary refers to - the don't ask/don't tell practice of guns changing hands between people who are not licensed by the federal government to sell firearms to the public.

    Gun shows are subject to all Federal, state, and local laws regulating firearms. Some states set their laws to be as loose as possible wrt Federal restrictions. But some states regulate firearms more strictly than federal law requires, and in those states gun shows must comply with state law.

    E.g. In New York, all buyers at guns shows are required to pass a background check. NY's Attorney General Eric Schneiderman worked with the gun show operators in the state to develop "best practices"  (e.g. a simple tagged inventory system) that help to ensure every gun that changes hands has had a background check. It's not hard to do, and it's not onerous for sellers & buyers. Most important for the fair business/competitive marketplace  perspective is that it puts licensed dealers on an even playing field with sellers in the second hand gun market.

    "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” — William Arthur Ward

    by LilithGardener on Thu Jan 30, 2014 at 10:24:02 AM PST

    •  They got rid of "parking lot sales" (0+ / 0-)

      at gun shows in my state. If they see you selling outside the building they will force you to leave.

      I went to a gun show about two weeks ago. There was a group of about 8 guys standing against the back wall inside the building with gun cases on the floor in front of them (one or two each). Also a couple of guys walking around with "For Sale" signs taped to a gun case. the other 98.5% were licensed dealers.

    •  Reciprocal quibble (2+ / 0-)
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      That loophole is what your diary refers to - the don't ask/don't tell practice of guns changing hands between people who are not licensed by the federal government to sell firearms to the public.
      If someone is selling guns as a business without an FFL, they are engaging in illegal activity. And if they are not reporting this income accurately to avoid the problem of admitting this business, add tax fraud. It does not matter if a state or locality allows someone to set up a table at an event or not. If the ATF thinks you are an unlicensed dealer then they can bust you for it. The definition under the law is:
      The term “engaged in the business” means... “as applied to a dealer in firearms,...a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to dealing in firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the repetitive purchase and resale of firearms, but such term shall not include a person who makes occasional sales, exchanges, or purchases of firearms for the enhancement of a personal collection or for a hobby, or who sells all or part of his personal collection of firearms...” 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(21)(C).
      Whether or not the ATF chooses to enforce this is neither a failure in the law nor a loophole in the law. It is a matter of enforcing existing law, and until that is done, there is not much point adding new ones. I will readily admit that the "engaged in the business" definition should be tightened up to both make enforcement against unlicensed dealers more clear-cut and to protect those the law was not meant to be used against (what is "occasional" and "hobby", for instance?)
  •  Much about guns is inherently selfish these days. (3+ / 0-)
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    Unsurprisingly, selfish people care very little about anyone else's opinions on the matter.  As long as there is a profit to made turning American's distrust and fear towards each other into dollars, evil men will exploit that well.  That the rubes keep lining up to buy more and more of the nonsense is uniquely American.  One can hope we will grow out of it.  I think we will, as the proliferation of weapons has no upside for our nation.

    “The purpose of our lives is to add value to the people of this generation and those that follow.” – Buckminster Fuller

    by TheFern on Thu Jan 30, 2014 at 02:50:07 PM PST

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