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As a Puppyhead, I understand that people with no ear for industrial might find them abrasive. I find it very disturbing that such intricate music (their math is exquisite) is used in conjunction with torture. I feel terrible that people who are suffering are associating that suffering with music of any kind. Although it is very ironic that the music of Skinny Puppy is an expression of rage and pain at the suffering people and animals endure at the hands of humans every day. Story below.


How would you react if you discovered your music was being used as an instrument of torture? I like to think that if, in some mad parallel universe, my cat-wail of a singing voice was being piped into prison cells to torment detainees, I’d have the same reaction as the Canadian industrial rock band, Skinny Puppy.

According to CTV News, Skinny Puppy learned that its music was being played to prisoners at Guantanamo Bay during interrogations to “inflict damage”. Understandably, the band was “offended” when a fan, who happened to be a guard at Gitmo, told them this was happening. “Because we make unsettling music, we can see it being used in a weird way. But it doesn’t sit right with us," the band’s keyboardist Cevin Key told the Phoenix New Times.

But then, Key hatched a plan. Initially they intended to design an album cover with an invoice to the US government, but then they discovered they could sue the Defence Department for using their music without their permission. Skinny Puppy says it has now invoiced for $666,000 in compensation, although the BBC reports that a US military spokesperson said no invoice had been received. Skinny Puppy says if it receives no response, it says it will consider suing.

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  •  Skinny Puppy, wow.. (3+ / 0-)
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    HoundDog, whenwego, oortdust

    I saw Skinny Puppy and Severed Heads in bar in Baton Rouge over 20 years ago. I went more as a curious onlooker than a fan of the genre. No more than a few hundred people were there. I still have the ticket stub, somewhere.

    What is so unnerving about the candidacy of Sarah Palin is the degree to which she represents—and her supporters celebrate—the joyful marriage of confidence and ignorance. SAM HARRIS

    by Cpqemp on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 02:52:01 PM PST

  •  Clueless (6+ / 0-)

    I tell ya, kids these days. Dude thought it'd be cool to tell SP that their music is awesome for, like, torturing people to. Is this entire generation brain-damaged?

    This would be funny is it werent so nauseating. Hopefully they keep a campaign up and active. I'd add another 6 to the front of that figure though. It is a government contract after all.

    Tasting force fed lies of the wicked
    Acting out fears false truth turned around
    Wicked torture wicked wicked
    The wicked words of the torturer
    Abusing and controlling anyone that's useful to him
    Wicked waits the torturer
    Wicked waiting of the torturer
  •  So much for "we do not torture" (4+ / 0-)

    What they use as a soundtrack to torture is nothing compared to the revelation that the torture is still going on.

    The Commander in Chief has much to answer for.

    You may think that. I couldn't possibly comment.-- Francis Urqhart

    by Johnny Q on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 03:29:22 PM PST

  •  It could have been worse: (0+ / 0-)

    it could have been Justin Beiber.


    There is no depth to education without art.- Amiri Baraka. RIP

    by Free Jazz at High Noon on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 05:26:31 PM PST

  •  Killing Game (2+ / 0-)
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    Johnny Q, oortdust

    I guess they thought it was an appropriate song.

    This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

    by DisNoir36 on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 06:07:17 PM PST

  •  I've been confined and Mind-Fucked by USAF guards (0+ / 0-) the SEER School at Fairchild AFB in Spokane WA...

    They locked me in a little box too small to stand or lie down in, then left me in there for about 15 hours while playing every sort of recorded mind-fuck you can imagine, including racous noisy music, animals and humans crying out in torturous pain, and hypnotic voices telling us to obey and cooperate....

    (Having eaten acid in the 60's, the joke was on THEM, I was good at meditatively blocking it all out--HA HA!)

    The assholes conducting this "training" were the very same buncha swine involved in instigating the torture of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Graib.

    "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

    by leftykook on Thu Feb 06, 2014 at 09:46:16 PM PST

    •  First of all... (0+ / 0-)

      It's "SERE". "Survival, Evasion, Resistance, Escape", if memory serves. (I'm a typo Nazi)

      There's a pretty good reason for SERE. Even though it can't prepare someone adequately for real torture, having some idea of what you're facing  if captured is better than none. It's purpose is to train military persons to keep their wits about them under duress.

      SERE instructors have specific guidelines they are supposed to follow. They aren't necessarily 'the same people' who run interrogation programs for us, but they are supposed to prepare military personnel for illegal interrogations.

      Thing is, they don't always recommend SERE for support personnel that will never leave base.

      Were you a pilot?

      •  You don't know what you are talking about. (0+ / 0-)

        The SEER School at Fairchild AFB WA uses contract psychologists from a practice with offices in downtown Spokane WA, these people developed the "training syllabus" used in conducting the imprisonment portion of the class.

        These people were openly discussed on national broadcast media after the Abu Graib scandals were revealed, and they were also the subject of  a large controversy among members of the APA, many of whom strenuously objected to the use of psychology as a weapon against prisoners held captive by the US.

        The most outrageous thing about the scandal is that the methods and theories of psychology were employed as a means of conducting interrogations, when in fact the program was intended to teach potential POWS how psychological methods would be employed against them.

        As for as your snide remark about "support" personnel not being sent to "survival school" (whatever the hell it was PROPERLY called) ALL USAF aircrew were required to attend this set of classes, and since I amassed about 7,000 hours as a Loadmaster aboard transport aircraft, been around the world about fifty times, I probably had to go, especially since they SENT me to it...

        "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

        by leftykook on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 10:29:37 PM PST

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        •  No, I do know what I'm talking about: (0+ / 0-)

          "Survival, Evasion, Resistance, and Escape"

          That's "SERE". Not 'SEER'.

          That you have not heard of SERE makes me question your military credentials. If you had heard of it, then you wouldn't tell me I 'don't know what I'm talking about' because you would be aware of its existence.

          If you are talking about a program I (and probably MANY people) have never heard of, then perhaps you can start with what the acronym 'SEER' means (unless it means 'one who sees', so why the caps?), and then give us some sort of substantiation.

          I find it very strange you've never heard of 'SERE' yet claim to have had Air Force training.

        •  Also, out of curiosity... (0+ / 0-)

          And assuming you just have the acronym wrong, What level of SERE training did you complete?

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