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Let's stipulate that one important function of the massive military industrial complex and national security apparatus (security state) in the United States is the protection of U.S. citizens and government interests, both, at home and abroad.  Although some have argued that many of the actions of the corporate state cause the very dangers it needs to protect us from, I'm going to skip that philosophical argument (for the sake of the topic I'm going going to be focusing on) and accept the notion that one important function of the security state is to provide security...

I argue that there are two other roles played by the security state: There is a profiteering (revolving door influence peddling corruption) career advancement function where opportunistic, unethical, and corrupt-to-the-core government functionaries use the power and influence of their office for private gain (currying favor for their past/future corporate paymasters).  The security state also serves as technologically-advanced paid goons in the service of the shadowy corporate cartels who have captured the levers of (governmental/political/media/security) power.

These two additional functions of the security state represent the most danger to freedom, democracy, and the rule of law, but I argue that the latter one is the most important reason we should worry about the NSA's (and the entire corporate spy network) illegal and unconstitutional spying on the American people.

You see the problem is that the corporate state (who holds the real power behind the veneer of democracy) invests an incredible amount of resources on dissembling reality, on manufacturing consent regarding their predatory ways.  I'm talking about a lot of resources.  They apply the most advanced mass (psychology) control techniques; they've infiltrated every institution, including the entire mainstream media; they spend an extraordinary amount of money bribing politicians, to the point that the political establishment has basically been captured by these behind-the-scene shadowy corporate cartels.

It is a huge investment, and the main purpose is to allow these corporate cartels (and the very powerful individuals behind them) to basically pillage and plunder and exploit and oppress at will, while keeping the citizenry passive (confused, unable to figure out the exact nature of the system).

That's where the activist comes into play; that's where the Left (the real one) has always found its raison d'etre.  And that's why the security state, acting as corporate goons, for decades has been destabilizing leftists movements, both at home and abroad (especially in Latin America).

The tools have been very similar, including massive propaganda, destabilization campaigns, bribing politicians and government functionaries, massive spying, and the targeting of activists or revolutionaries in multiple ways.

So you should not be surprised that the security state (when it comes to their corporate goons role) spends so much time spying on activists, building detailed dossiers on them, and their families, and associates.

You know the reason why?  The activists are fucking with their investments; and we're talking about billions and billions of dollars, much of it invested in propaganda, and in bribing government functionaries (ALEC comes to mind).

You see one of the most important roles of an activist is to deconstruct the self-serving myths propagated by the corporate state and expose the lies, the dissembling and the propaganda to the general public.

Think of the implications... It's like exposing a wolf in sheep's clothing.  It's like, "Okay, you see that sheep over there; he's actually a wolf ready to rip you apart."

And so, just imagine how pissed that wolf is going to be!  He's put an extraordinary amount of effort disguising himself as a sheep so he can carry on with his predatory ways (undetected and unmolested) and here comes someone and blows his cover.

Social movements involve a long-term struggle between the movement and the powerholders for the hearts, minds, and support of the majority of the population.  Before social movements begin, most people are either unaware that a problem exists or don't believe that they can do anything about it.  They believe the powerholder's societal myths and support the high-sounding official policies and practices, all of which seem to be consistent with the culture's deeply held held values and beliefs...


The strategy of social movements, therefore, is to alert, educate, and win over an ever increasing majority of the public.  First the public needs to be convinced that a critical social problem exists.  Then it must be convinced that policies need to be changed.  And then a majority of people must be mobilized into a force that eventually brings about an acceptable solution.

-- Doing Democracy: The MAP Model for Organizing Social Movements by Bill Moyer

[The emphasis is mine]

And that's the role of the activist, the (honest) intellectual, the (honest) writer, the (honest) journalist, to expose the true nature of the system, to deconstruct it, carefully, and to explain it all to the citizenry.

And that's why fascist police states always go after them first... And that's why we should all be worried about the illegal and unconstitutional activities by the security state-turned-corporate-goons.

Right now as you read this, there is a massive social justice movement spreading fast around not only the U.S., but around many countries who have been victimized by the international neoliberal criminal racketeering cartel.  In Brazil, in Spain, Portugal, Italy, France, the U.K., Greece, people have begun to connect the dots when it comes to mass financialization of every sector, including the public sphere (following the neoliberal philosophy).

But there is a lot of work to do (for activists, journalists, intellectuals, academics), and as things come to a head that work will become increasingly dangerous.

So far the corporate security state has been able to keep the lid on on things by subjecting the population to massive propaganda, and through the systemic imposition of induced economic insecurity and poverty (the real reason behind austerity measures), and an increasingly draconian (and oppressive) proto-fascist legal structure... Activists and groups can also be targeted for defunding, maligning, infiltration, and destabilization campaigns.

OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, the Department of Homeland Security and local law enforcement officers have engaged in widespread domestic spying on Occupy Wall Street activists, among others, on the shaky premise that these activists pose a terrorist threat. Often, Homeland Security and other law enforcement agencies have coordinated with the private sector, working on behalf of, or in cooperation with, Wall Street firms and other companies the protesters have criticized.

- SNIP -

The anti-terrorist apparatus that the U.S. government established after 9/11 has now been turned against law-abiding citizens exercising their First Amendment rights. This apparatus consists not only of advanced surveillance technologies but also of “fusion centers” in state after state that coordinate the efforts of law enforcement up and down the line and collaborate with leading members of the private sector. Often, the work they do in the name of national security advances the interests of some of the largest corporations in America rather than focusing on protecting the United States from actual threats or attacks, such as the one at the Boston Marathon on April 15.

-- "Dissent or Terror"

[The emphasis is mine]

All those tools have worked for the corporate state so far.  But here's the danger, if history is any indication... Once those (soft) tools stop being effective, there is no reason to believe that eventually the proto-fascist corporate state will not take its mask off and escalate to another level.

In fact, given the careful build-up of a massive proto-fascist physical and legal infrastructure during the last several years, and given the history of how the CIA acting as corporate goons all through Latin America (and other countries) dealt with leftist dissidents, one would have to be incredibly naïve to think that the very detailed (granular) dossiers built on millions of people (with a very intense focus on activists) would not one day come to represent a very clear and present danger to freedom and democracy (and to the security of law-abiding citizens exercising their legal and constitutional rights).

The bottom line is that the corporate state has failed; it has (and is being) exposed for what it is; and now the next logical step is to dismantle it.  That means disentangling corporate interests from our democratic institutions.  There is nothing wrong if you're a corporation that makes tires and want me to buying for my car, or if you want to sell me products or services.  That's all good...

But when you use your power and influence to buy off politicians in order to codify injustice, exploitation, and predation into law, then we're going to have a problem.  When corporations hire current and former CIA, FBI agents to take part in illegal spying against peaceful activists and non-profit groups, with total impunity, we're going to have a problem with that.
One of the troubling aspects of recent corporate espionage against nonprofits is the use of current and former police, current government contractors, and former CIA, NSA, FBI, Secret Service and other law enforcement officers.
Even active-duty CIA operatives are allowed to sell their expertise to the highest bidder, "a policy that gives financial firms and hedge funds access to the nation's top-level intelligence talent," writes Eamon Javers.  Little is known about the CIA's moonlighting policy, or which corporations have hired current CIA operatives...


Hiring former intelligence, military and law enforcement officials has its advantages.  First, these officials may be able to use their status as a shield.  For example, current law enforcement officials may be disinclined to investigate or prosecute former intelligence or law enforcement agents.  They may be more likely to get a "pass" because of their government services.  In effect, corporations are hiring "pass" and sometimes using it to conduct unethical or even illegal intelligence gathering against nonprofits.

[The emphasis is mine]

There is no turning back.  The corporate state has been exposed to be a total fraud, to be predatory, exploitative, and oppressive.  It has failed.  People are rising up to push it out and to establish democracy, and that's what will end up happening, eventually.

It is going to be up to those undemocratic forces working behind the scenes to impose tyranny and oppression whether the transition to democracy is going to be smooth, or rough.  But there is no question that it will be taken down... The process has already started.

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Originally posted to Ray Pensador on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 01:29 PM PST.

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  •  It's hard to say what the USians will do. (18+ / 0-)

    I was blown away that they could sit there and send their kids off to be slaughtered for nothing in Afghanistan and Iraq. And, then pay for it with the gutting of the middle class.

    There was hardly a whimper. They just rolled over. They still do.

    One thing I do know is that the rest of the world is not going to put up with the NSA. People are willing to fight against "outside" enemies.

    “The Internet is the first thing that humanity has built that humanity doesn't understand, the largest experiment in anarchy that we have ever had.” ― Eric Schmidt

    by Pluto on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 12:43:28 PM PST

    •  I'm betting on the American people. You know (15+ / 0-)

      the saying about being late (when it comes to this type of struggles), but eventually doing the right thing.

      Also, I know I keep harping on this, but I can stress enough how people are under constant (cognitive) attack here by a massive propaganda machine more powerful than anything in history...

      But the hold of the propaganda machine is about to be broken, and watch out when that happens!  It will literally be like the opening of flood-gates, IMHO.

    •  Very Few Sent Their Kids to the Middle East (8+ / 0-)

      Military was half the active duty size as peak Vietnam. Nobody was drafted, and coming after 9/11, most people supported the war especially Afghanistan, at first.

      It wasn't much of a sacrifice for most Americans.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 01:51:36 PM PST

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      •  It was a sacrifice (7+ / 0-)

        It sacrificed the wealth, the humanity, and the honor of Americans. And any person manipulated by lies to die for the oligarchy is an enormous sacrifice.

        "The political arena leaves one no alternative, one must either be a dunce or a rogue." Emma Goldman, Anarchism and Other Essays

        by ZhenRen on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 02:46:29 PM PST

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        •  Admirable sentiment (1+ / 0-)
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          Doesn't have much to do with the reality of Gooserock's comment though.

          Nothing human is alien to me.

          by WB Reeves on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 04:12:34 PM PST

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          •  It was a sacrifice for most Americans (4+ / 0-)
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            It was just a hidden one.

            If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

            by AoT on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 04:15:19 PM PST

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          •  If you consider (0+ / 0-)

            what goose had responded to, and the relevancy of that first comment to what I wrote, I think you're understand the context better. My comment brought it back to what PLuto raised as a point.

            I was blown away that they could sit there and send their kids off to be slaughtered for nothing in Afghanistan and Iraq. And, then pay for it with the gutting of the middle class.

            There was hardly a whimper. They just rolled over. They still do.

            One thing I do know is that the rest of the world is not going to put up with the NSA. People are willing to fight against "outside" enemies.

            I know you have it out for me, given our recent epic encounter, but step back and consider the larger picture. Your attempts to police commentary with enforcements of your predilections aren't needed.

            "The political arena leaves one no alternative, one must either be a dunce or a rogue." Emma Goldman, Anarchism and Other Essays

            by ZhenRen on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 04:18:11 PM PST

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    •  When the "event horizon" of credibility is finally (1+ / 0-)
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      reached it will become very apparent that "full faith and credit" was the only real asset this, or any government ever has. When that is gone it will be too late.

      Rivers are horses and kayaks are their saddles

      by River Rover on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 03:35:23 PM PST

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    •  Our Peace vigil group (2+ / 0-)
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      has found (based upon conversations with people who stop by to talk to us) that the American public is increasingly against sending our citizens off to fight these wars, or the ones they know about such as Iraq and Afghanistan. What most people do not know is how involved our military is in so many other countries around the world.  And what the public has not yet connected the dots on is how dangerous our use of drones to carry out "targeted assassinations" is to our own security.  

      I do not necessarily blame the public as much as I blame the media for failing to do its job.  It is very difficult for the public to become adequately informed without spending a lot of time digging for the facts.  Similarly, I am finding a diversity of opinions on the value of the NSA although it appears that the scales are increasingly becoming tipped against the massive gathering of average people's correspondence and data.

      The embedding of corporations into our security and financial systems is something most people are totally unaware of nor the danger created by the entire revolving door nature of much of government and private industry in that process.  If they really understood how dangerous this is, I thoroughly believe there would be a massive outcry against it.  

      Good diary Ray.  Tipped and recommended.

      "I don't want to run the empire, I want to bring it down!" ~ Dr. Cornel West "It was a really naked declaration of imperialism." ~ Jeremy Scahill on Obama's speech to the UN

      by gulfgal98 on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 04:55:40 AM PST

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  •  Another great diary Ray. n/t (12+ / 0-)

    If debugging is the process of removing bugs, then programming must be the process of putting them in.

    by kharma on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 12:54:54 PM PST

  •  Whether or not the National Security Apparatus (7+ / 0-)

    is actually fomenting the very threats that it supposedly is protecting us from isn't a "philosophical argument". It is a factual question as to what the material impact of the National Security State is.  

    Nothing human is alien to me.

    by WB Reeves on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 01:20:09 PM PST

  •  Did you make it out to the protests (5+ / 0-)

    in Oakland against the surveillance center there? I'm far, far away now so I can't make it to that stuff any more.

    If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

    by AoT on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 01:33:04 PM PST

  •  It is time people begin to reexamine (3+ / 0-)
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    the true function of the State, which is to support the wealth of the ruling class.

    The definition of "security" to the ruling, owning class is to protect their privilege and wealth against all threats. To protect the State is to protect their status.

    It isn't to protect the workers, or their right to be free from dominance and exploitation.

    If it were to protect rights, then those who act on behalf of the State would not violate rights, but yet they wantonly violate rights when it serves their purpose.

    If it were to protect the standard of living, then they would not allow jobs to move overseas, and they would call for greater worker protection, better pay, more worker control of the workplace, and stronger unions. But they actively work against these worker protections.

    If it were to keep us safe, then the State would act to also keep us safe from threats of a polluted environment, the looming catastrophe of climate change. They would give us cheaper and truly universal, public health care. They would give us a fair judicial system in the treatment of minorities and the poor.

    No, there is only one reason the state has created the massive surveillance and military apparatus.

    It protects the ruling class from all threats to their status, and that includes the threat of dissent from the people whom they exploit, the working class who serve the function of delivering their produced wealth to the ruling class.

    "The political arena leaves one no alternative, one must either be a dunce or a rogue." Emma Goldman, Anarchism and Other Essays

    by ZhenRen on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 02:12:39 PM PST

    •  It's time for action; direct, on-the-ground (3+ / 0-)

      action.  We can re-examine things, ponder about the inconsistencies when it comes to government, to the state, but at this point it should be clear that whatever we will able to accomplish when it comes to social justice, the rights of the workers, and women, and children, the protection of the environment, it will come from the people joining together in solidarity and first taking down the corporate state (separating corporate interests from government), and then establishing a new order based on democracy, justice, equality...

      But the time to act is now.

      •  Well, Ray, I think these issues must be pondered (2+ / 0-)
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        all along, since it has a lot to do with the final result. It doesn't stop direct action from occurring.

        And, for those of us who advocate horizontal movements, such an approach doesn't exclude pondering a vision of how to organize. On the contrary, a leaderless movement expressly allows such pondering to take place, and is by its very structure prefigurative, since the adopted social structure implies a preferred form of order.

        "The political arena leaves one no alternative, one must either be a dunce or a rogue." Emma Goldman, Anarchism and Other Essays

        by ZhenRen on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 02:42:28 PM PST

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        •  Yes, I don't know if you've notice, but I do think (2+ / 0-)
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          that addressing theory is extremely important as part of the overall process.  I have no qualms with that.

          •  In fact, one can get a good working sense (1+ / 0-)
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            of what kind of social order people are working for by how they organize. Their organizations suggest their notions of sociological theory, and what will likely be the end result.

            So, for example, take the Democratic Party. It is very elitist, and "ordinary" people have very little voice in the organization. There isn't any real democracy from the bottom up. It has "superdelegates" and other elitist expressions.

            Take the Bolsheviks who took over the Russian Revolution. Very bureaucratic, very dictatorial with strict party discipline.

            And then ponder what kind of state these organizations have given us. Exactly the same.

            If you want to know what the unspoken goals are of a movement, look at the way they organize.

            "The political arena leaves one no alternative, one must either be a dunce or a rogue." Emma Goldman, Anarchism and Other Essays

            by ZhenRen on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 03:06:35 PM PST

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            •  But honestly, here's my impression when it comes (1+ / 0-)
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              down to your approach... It seems to me that you are too focused, or invested in pointing out the deficiencies of hierarchical government structures and political parties.

              Don't get me wrong, I'm pretty much there with you when it comes to understanding those deficiencies, and as you know, I've expressed a lot of interest in non-hierarchical approaches.

              Actually, I think the Occupy movement is also pretty much there, when it comes to understanding the superiority of non-hierarchical systems.

              But no matter the theory, no matter arguments we can make, the actual process towards social justice, towards a better society, is very likely to be messy, in some ways haphazard, imperfect, and at the end very likely to be something other than any of us had in mind.

              Obviously, and again, we need to continue engaging in the philosophical arguments, in the theory of social organization, etc., but we can't afford to be dogmatic about it... We need to do both, continue discussing theory, and also taking action.

              You see, I'm comfortable with ambiguities, and chaos, winning some, losing some, two steps forward, one step back, etc., as long as we continue marching towards a better, more equitable, more just society.

              That's all.

              •  Yes, thanks for being honest (1+ / 0-)
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                about your view, which was implied in various things you're written. I think it is important to examine how we organize. We all have to decide where we draw the line, and what we will support.

                I won't support a vertical organization. The implications inherent in that approach are too far reaching and historically have not led to what I want to see in society. You can't achieve egalitarianism with a non-egalitarian organization. This is the error which made the Marxist-Leninists fail. Their authoritarianism ended up with an extremely authoritarian system.

                And one also can't achieve worker equality with capitalism for the same reason.

                As to chaos, messiness, and such, I don't mind that, and in fact I readily embrace it, since true democracy must allow this kind of freedom of thought, but I don't have to have a chaotic disorganized mind as far as my OWN views are concerned. I know what I advocate, as far as my own preferences are concerned. And not only do I have a right to those preferences, I also have a right to advocate them, and I will not be part of any movement which would discourage that, or dismiss it, or push it aside in discussion. It seems to do that is to act to avoid the very messiness you say you embrace. I am part of that messiness you think you embrace.

                Which is why I've remained neutral in your attempts to organize. I see mixed messages. You don't control my form of expression.

                Just so you know. But I support your right to do it and I like most of what you stand for.

                "The political arena leaves one no alternative, one must either be a dunce or a rogue." Emma Goldman, Anarchism and Other Essays

                by ZhenRen on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 03:43:08 PM PST

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      •  Ray since I have been reading you here (3+ / 0-)
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        and listening to friends on the ground, I sense a movement, a gathering momentum which is full of the certainty of success.

        You talked about how many protests and meeting you are going to and it really gives me hope. People sound energized to me--our old optimism is back.

        I'm also excited by what is happening my neck of the woods with the Community Rights Movement. It's a grassroots movement which uses their "natural Rights" enshrined in the Constitutions to use the initiative process to reclaim the people's sovereignty within their own communities. Then they can deal with all the ills that a corporate society has brought, like fracking and GMO contamination of conventional and organic crops,

        By Saturday, I hope to publish it.

        We have it within our power to make the world over again ~ Thomas Paine

        by occupystephanie on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 03:28:03 PM PST

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      •  Boots on the ground in West Virginia (3+ / 0-)
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        would be a good start.  The water issue has torn the rose colored glasses off many people.   They are fricken pissed off  by the actions of Big coal and the bought and paid for regulators.
        For the first time many are seeing the inconsistencies and the lies.  

        •  Where and how? (1+ / 0-)
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          Are you in WV? Do you know people there? I know some folks who were a part of Occupy who moved out there and if there's any sort of organization I could pass the word along ot them.

          If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

          by AoT on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 04:00:15 PM PST

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    •  They have always feared us (4+ / 0-)
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      whether they know history or not, they think of us as a faceless mob that constantly needs to be watched, monitored and dismantled if it gets too close to the Sacred Cows that wander Wall Street and Washington power halls.

      The Status Quo is king to them.

      We have it within our power to make the world over again ~ Thomas Paine

      by occupystephanie on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 02:58:39 PM PST

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  •  Sex and Dirty Tricks (8+ / 0-)

    British Spies Use Sex and Dirty Tricks Against Enemies

    Wikileaks, Occupy and Anonymous are all 'The Enemy'

    British spies have developed “dirty tricks” for use against nations, hackers, terror groups, suspected criminals and arms dealers that include releasing computer viruses, spying on journalists and diplomats, jamming phones and computers, and using sex to lure targets into “honey traps.”

    Documents taken from the National Security Agency by Edward Snowden and exclusively obtained by NBC News describe techniques developed by a secret British spy unit called the Joint Threat Research and Intelligence Group (JTRIG) as part of a growing mission to go on offense and attack adversaries ranging from Iran to the hacktivists of Anonymous. According to the documents, which come from presentations prepped in 2010 and 2012 for NSA cyber spy conferences, the agency’s goal was to “destroy, deny, degrade [and] disrupt” enemies by “discrediting” them, planting misinformation and shutting down their communications.

    This is what was likely used against Assange:
    The version of a “honey trap” described by British cyber spies in the 2012 PowerPoint presentation sounds like a version of Internet dating, but includes physical encounters. The target is lured “to go somewhere on the Internet, or a physical location” to be met by “a friendly face.” The goal, according to the presentation, is to discredit the target.
    And then theres this...
    The propaganda campaigns use deception, mass messaging and “pushing stories” via Twitter, Flickr, Facebook and YouTube. JTRIG also uses “false flag” operations, in which British agents carry out online actions that are designed to look like they were performed by one of Britain’s adversaries.

    "These are established professionals that have a liberal bent, but ultimately most of them if pushed will choose professional preservation over cause, such is the mentality of most business professionals" -BoA/HBGary/CoC

    by LieparDestin on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 02:36:06 PM PST

    •  Thank you for adding that. I will read the (4+ / 0-)
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      article... By now we should all be aware about these dirty tricks.

    •  Well that dates back to Ian Flemming (4+ / 0-)
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      Oldest trick in the book from the world's oldest profession.

      I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

      by JML9999 on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 02:55:37 PM PST

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    •  While the "honey trap" is a standard tool (3+ / 0-)
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      of "spy craft", I'm not aware that Assange has raised this.

      If he hasn't, there's probably a good reason why.

      Nothing human is alien to me.

      by WB Reeves on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 02:57:03 PM PST

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    •  But certainly (2+ / 0-)
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      they would have the decency to stay way from Dkos!  


      "The political arena leaves one no alternative, one must either be a dunce or a rogue." Emma Goldman, Anarchism and Other Essays

      by ZhenRen on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 05:14:49 PM PST

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    •  'This is what was likely used against Assange' (1+ / 0-)
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      Why thank you, Amazing Kreshkin, for your profound legal insights.

      After reviewing the evidence, of the three investigating officers, two (Wassgren and Gehlin) wanted him investigated for what would eventually be five charges (2x rape, 1x unlawful sexual coersion, 2x molestation), and one (Krans) wanted him for four (1x, 1x, 2x).  The first prosecutor (Finne) first wanted him investigated for five (1x, 1x, 2x), then reduced it to what would become three (0x, 1x, 2x).  An appeal from one of the victims was reviewed and found with merit (not unusual in Sweden, there's a strong victims' rights process), and a new prosecutor (Ny) was brought in, and the investigation resumed for all five (2x 1x, 2x).  A judge charged / anklagad him on all five counts 2x 1x, 2x). Assange appeled the warrant and the Svea Court of Appeals held a full court hearing, with a jury, a review of all the evidence, and testimony from Assange's lawyers; they upheld four (1x,1x, 2x). He appealed to the Swedish Supreme court; they refused his appeal.  The British lower court heard Assange's appeal (arguing malicious prosecution, flaws in the Swedish process, and an invalid EAW).  The British lower court ruled against him on all counts.  The case was heard by the British high court, which also ruled against him on all counts.  And again, the British Supreme Court heard the case, and ruled against him on all counts.

      But no no, who needs a pesky legal system when we have Amazing Kreshkin here to tell us about how it's all a setup! Screw those lying b****s, right?

      The day I'll consider justice blind is the day that a rape defendent's claim of "She consented to the sex" is treated by the same legal standards as a robbery defendent's claim of "He consented to give me the money": as an affirmative defense.

      by Rei on Sun Feb 09, 2014 at 12:57:44 AM PST

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    •  While we're at it... (1+ / 0-)
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      Lets see if I've got the Shadowy CIA/JTRIG Conspiracy(TM) down pat. For reasons only beknownst to them, they can only nab Assange from Sweden, not the the UK, or any of the vast numbers of far-easier countries that Assange regularly globetrots to. No, it has to be Sweden.  Let's just take that as a given for some Unknown Shadowy CIA/JTRIG Reason. Now, Assange was applying to live in Sweden when the Shadowy CIA/JTRIG Conspiracy decided, "Instead of waiting until we're ready to nab him for our charges, since he's planning to live here, wouldn't it be so much more fun to frame him for a crime that will F* up any possible extradition request? Yeah! And let's pick a crime that has a pathetically low conviction rate!  Let's not only frame him for rape, but let's frame him for rape but use a case that involves the women having consented to certain acts but not others and all of the sorts of complexity that one finds in real rape situations, where victims don't live their lives as though they're about to be judged in a trial, instead of a phony "knife to the throat" hollywood-style rape case." Why? Because the Shadowy CIA/JTRIG Conspiracy just rolls that way, stop asking questions.  And because our CIA/JTRIG psychics have foreseen this event for decades in advance, we can now activate Sleeper Agent SW who we've had spend decades misleadingly cultivating herself as a young Swedish museum worker with a lifelong paranoia about unprotected sex.  Now, let's install our CIA Plant, Ms. Ny, to prosecute him - because of course, we at the CIA have infiltrated the top levels of all of the major governments' of the world's judicial systems just for this purpose, as well as all of their courts, including the Swedish Supreme Court, and knew that one day a judicial review board would find a different prosecutor in error and install her to this prophecied case. But let's have the prosecutor take several weeks to get him, and let's let the news totally leak out during the time that they're getting ready to arrest him so that Assange can run. And let's just let him flee the country, and not tell Sweden so that they can stop him. Then when he exhausts his legal options in the UK and jumps bail to run into the embassy of a country with an anti-western leader who's a fan of his, let's do absolutely nothing.

      Is this how it went down, in your mind?  Great job, Shadowy CIA/JTRIG Conspiracy. Who's running the conspiracy these days, Bozo the Clown?

      The day I'll consider justice blind is the day that a rape defendent's claim of "She consented to the sex" is treated by the same legal standards as a robbery defendent's claim of "He consented to give me the money": as an affirmative defense.

      by Rei on Sun Feb 09, 2014 at 01:08:09 AM PST

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  •  Where's the Warren in 2016 banner? n/t (0+ / 0-)

    “The answer must be, I think, that beauty and grace are performed whether or not we will or sense them. The least we can do is try to be there.” ― Annie Dillard, Pilgrim at Tinker Creek

    by 6412093 on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 03:38:53 PM PST

  •  Part of the problem is sectional, a few centuries (3+ / 0-)
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    of police state in the South, a system designed to suppress slave revolts, then Jim Crow. NSA surveils the wage slaves for the corporate plantations. Part of it also is Dulles world, secret government by which the media and a world of invented enemies are penetrated by intelligence agencies. Part of it is Ike's world, winnable nuclear war. The first open resistance in the 60's was dealt with brutally. Things have settled down under a dark age of feudalism, mass incarceration in the iron grip of the Supreme Court. As Carter recently observed, it's not a functioning democracy. But the old laws are still on the books, officials still swear an oath to defend the constitution. Those who don't mean it should get voted out in favor of those who do. The first and long overdue task of Congress as a matter of loyalty is to abolish private fundraising, such that they become public officials.

  •  OT-struck me when Scty of Ag said Climate Chnge (1+ / 0-)
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    the biggest issue facing humanity is climate change

    as in this excellent diary, there is a discussion of the propaganda used to keep the people happy and distracted

    on the news part of the scty of Ag just came out and said it "climate change" effect on CA agriculture and other stuff. Am going to Bolivia in a couple of weeks and parts of the country have had 5 times normal rainfall while parts of Brazil are facing a decades record drought

    climate change has been an issue of mine for 30 years but it struck me when it was said so bluntly

    the environmentalist David W. Orr says it is a slow moving emergency

    and recently more env disasters of spills and water pollution, etc.

    all of this to say that the pent up desire for change is driving several movements together - like the story last week that NSA spied on the Copenhagen climate summit, the most important climate meeting in 50 years, and the US let the moment of action drift away.

    Keep it up Ray and the rest of us who will be on the streets.

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