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But I do need her to run for President. I think the nation does.

Because she will speak what is true about our banking, regulatory, political, and justice systems. And the Media's not going to be able to hide her all the time. There'll be enough soundbites to pique the general public's interest in her. And enough videos going viral of Ms Warren's speeches and conversations.

The American people are thirsting for real things to be said in Public about real life. Hey!, this nation is dying from that thirst. When Sen Warren speaks it's like a long drink of water.

There's a whole string of topics that I'd expect her to raise; and after they're raised, and people respond, it's going to be real hard for our Ruling Caste to pretend nobody heard all that.

What do you think? I think, win or lose, want to or not, a Sen Warren Presidential Candidacy will crack the dam that's been holding common sense and responsibility out of our public life.

A run by her will bend our political life toward the popular will. I don't see any other candidate at this point who will.

Certainly when Jeb Bus and Hillary Clinton face off, we ain't going to be hearing nothing about the real world, unless they've been forced to talk about it a lot previously.

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  •  Tip Jar (24+ / 0-)


    Actual Democrats: the surest, quickest, route to More Democrats. And actually addressing our various emergencies.

    by Jim P on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 08:54:09 PM PST

  •  She won't run. (5+ / 0-)

    Better try and convince Russ Feingold, instead.

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 08:56:20 PM PST

  •  Warren (8+ / 0-)

    So why don't you want her to be President if you think she's great?

    Cynicism is what passes for insight among the mediocre.

    by Sky Net on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 09:02:59 PM PST

    •  'literary license' & not meant to confuse people (6+ / 0-)

      In the diary you'll find indications that I think she needs to run to open up public discussion to real things. We should have that in a Democracy, right? Real things discussed in real ways.


      Actual Democrats: the surest, quickest, route to More Democrats. And actually addressing our various emergencies.

      by Jim P on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 09:08:21 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Sorry, still confused. (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        MBramble

        Simple question: Why don't you want her to be President? Is there something we need to know?

        Sunday mornings are more beautiful without Meet the Press.

        by deben on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 10:50:32 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Irony. (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          lotlizard, HudsonValleyMark

          See, everybody** is going around "Warren for President, Warren for President, Warren for President."

          Even if she runs, and never gets elected, her value is immense to us, because rhetorical doors will be kicked down, merely by saying things about our current situation in true and plain worlds.

          ** By 'everybody' I don't mean literally 'everybody.'


          Actual Democrats: the surest, quickest, route to More Democrats. And actually addressing our various emergencies.

          by Jim P on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 11:03:31 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  So why don't you want her elected? /nt (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            deben

            TX-17 (Bill Flores-R), TX Sen-14 (Kirk Watson-D), TX HD-50 (Celia Israel-D)

            by Le Champignon on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 11:05:22 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  IRONY!!!!! (0+ / 0-)


              Actual Democrats: the surest, quickest, route to More Democrats. And actually addressing our various emergencies.

              by Jim P on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 11:10:14 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  Is this a literary criticism class? (2+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                MBramble, Superpole

                Come on, diarist. "Irony" and "literary license" as reasons why you do not want Elizabeth Warren to be President... How's anybody supposed to get their teeth into that?

                Sunday mornings are more beautiful without Meet the Press.

                by deben on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 11:18:37 PM PST

                [ Parent ]

                •  Profile. Saturday sports extravaganza running test (0+ / 0-)

                  tubes around the Chinese plaid unicorn forest, all the while singing, 'orcs, fairies, giants, eleves' and what's that other thing?


                  Actual Democrats: the surest, quickest, route to More Democrats. And actually addressing our various emergencies.

                  by Jim P on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 11:30:03 PM PST

                  [ Parent ]

                •  LOL.... (1+ / 0-)
                  Recommended by:
                  deben

                  Beengo!

                  "It is essential that there should be organization of Labor. Capital organizes & therefore Labor must organize" Theodore Roosevelt

                  by Superpole on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 06:19:04 AM PST

                  [ Parent ]

              •  *Really*? You don't see why it would be bad (0+ / 0-)

                for her to be elected? Elected President, I mean.

                Within days of her being elected President, she'd be in front of the cameras talking about how we have to tighten our belts and reduce the deficit, and how savvy job creators need to be freed from the shackles of governmental oppression.

                I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

                by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 07:57:16 AM PST

                [ Parent ]

          •  I don't want her in the WH, though (0+ / 0-)

            I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

            by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 07:56:10 AM PST

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      •  false assumption, not a democracy, the crown is (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Portlaw

        hereditary. Press censorship wll make Clinton the winner of all debates, much like how North Korea would handle it.

    •  Too inexperienced and too naive (5+ / 0-)

      What we REALLY need right now is someone with the experience and moxy of LBJ who could twist arms and kick asses - and did so!  After many years in the senate he knew all the weak points of his opponents.  Even though he was hampered by that idiotic Vietnam war, he got lots accomplished, most notably Medicare and Civil Rights (true, some of those things were started by Kennedy, but happened under Johnson, so LBJ gets the credit).

      Warren doesn't have that gravitas that comes with many terms in Congress.  She may know how to ask a few pointed questions, but hasn't created any landmark legislation.  A watered down Glass-Steagall isn't going to do it.  They need to totally repeal Gramm-Leach-Bliley and totally reinstate Glass Steagall to have any teeth to laws regarding banking.

      I think Warren will ultimately fail in other ways.  I'm trying to remember which legislation that recently passed..., but I remember someone saying Warren voted on the wrong side of that issue.

      We've had quite enough of inexperience and naïveté with Obama for ten lifetimes since the alleged con law prof who never met a Repuke law he didn't love has done NOTHING to repeal the illegal and unconstitutional bills passed under Dumbya & Dickie that took away our rights, all of which should have been repealed in full no later than 1 Feb 2009 when he had a Dem majority.  True, it didn't help he had a Repuke and DINO set of senators and representatives, but still... he lacked the arm-twisting ability of LBJ in the face of odds against him..., and whined and wheedled about his precious "bipartisan compromises."  That got real old real fast.  I, for one, stopped listening to him a long time ago.  If I never hear "bipartisan compromise" again it will be too soon.

      If Obama had had two more terms in office as a senator, perhaps he could have been effective.  As is, he was a junior nobody senator from IL and the only thing he knew how to do was speak well (a relief from eight years of Dumbya), but lots of words that say absolutely nothing of any substance and can mean anything the listener wants to hear does not make for a reliable president with any moxy or gravitas.

      Someone like Bernie Sanders is what we NEED.  He's been there for years, he actually upholds his oath of office.

      Give Warren two more terms as a senator, then maybe....

      Hillary is a flat out NO!  She's a corporatist and warmonger and we need another one like that as president like we need another dictator who assumes unconstitutional and illegal powers.  No, thanks!

      I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

      by NonnyO on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 11:13:14 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Will she change the conversation or not? (4+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        84thProblem, maggid, NoMoreLies, NonnyO

        You KNOW we're going into 2014 and 2016 with the same denial-of-reality language we've had blown up our butts for years now. What's the alternative. Win or lose, how to effectively sign to the world: 'the emperor has no clothes'?

        I like Bernie, and I'd gladly support a run by him. I don't think he has the public force of Warren.

        Hillary, shit, might as well vote to donate our organs to the global free-trade Banksters market. (Which would be better than the Republican demand that we pay for the operations ourselves; lesser evil and all, eh?)


        Actual Democrats: the surest, quickest, route to More Democrats. And actually addressing our various emergencies.

        by Jim P on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 11:34:17 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Warren may change the conversation... (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Jim P

          ... but president-ready she is not.  She's asked some pointed questions at banking hearings, and she has a vague idea for some watered down, toothless version of Glass-Steagall which will not change anything, but other than that she has no senatorial accomplishments that I'm aware of.  Putting Warren out there as a pawn would just be cruel.  I think if she were elected president she'd be another version of Obama.  That's difficult to admit because I actually like Warren in the videos I've seen of her.  I think that's why I don't want the Democratic powers that be to toss her out into the bear-baiting ring before she's ready.  She seems like a nice person, and she might very well be a good president someday (just not now, not yet).

          Obama is a good example of not-ready-for-prime-time president material; he's appeased the reichwingnuts, corporatists (especially insurance, medical, and pharmaceutical corporations for his Obamacare/ACA), banksters, hucksters, and anyone else who lets him have kill lists and "secret" powers because of "secret" judges and "secret" legal opinions, none of which is allowed ANY president in the US Constitution because he's in love with his idea of what a "bipartisan compromiser" should be, and he wants that to be his legacy.  Meanwhile, he has done nothing to give us our rights back (indeed, he wanted those same illegal and unconstitutional laws passed under Dumbya and Dickie extended), war criminals go free, wars still go on and are continued (which additionally makes Obama as much of a war criminal for continuing the Bushista wars and adding crimes of his own), illegal and unconstitutional drone bombings go on in countries even Dumbya and Dickie didn't bomb, Gitmo is still open, banks and Wall Street remain unregulated (gee, thanks Bill Clinton, for signing Gramm-Leach-Bliley! - Not!) and our constitution and laws are still ignored.  Yes, the willfully stupid and ign'erent racist Repuke religious reichwingnuts play a huge role in that (along with a bunch of DINOs), but all Obama does to counter that is suggest "bipartisan compromises" and appease these fucking morons!  How fucking disgusting!  But..., that's what comes of selecting an inexperienced person as a presidential candidate only because he can speak in complete and grammatically correct sentences.

          Hillary is a big NO from the get-go.  You already know all the reasons as well as I do (and if I had to listen to two years of campaigning as Repukes keep wailing Beeennnnggghhhaaazi, I'll go mad and sign off the internet - TV I already permanently turned off).  I'll leave all the ovals blank next to a presidential selection on the ballot if she's selected as the Dem candidate, then continue on down the ballot to vote for all the other federal, state, and local Dems listed.

          True.  Obama was the "lesser of two evils" in '08 and '12.  So?  At my age I'm tired of being given the options of voting for "more evil" or "less evil."  I want to have the choice of voting FOR a candidate I can actually support just ONCE before I die (time's getting short; I'll be 68 in a few days).  I'm from the generation of Baby Boomer women who accomplished a lot of "firsts" (did a few of my own, in fact), and I full well realize the US as a whole is too stupid to pick a sensible woman as a candidate for president, and we should have been open to female presidents a long time ago.  In civilized countries they choose candidates , including women(!), based on all the traditionally correct reasons..., and the US is lagging far behind, as usual.  I'd love to vote for a female Democrat for president.  So far, I don't see any likely potential candidates.

          I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

          by NonnyO on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 12:46:28 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  It would be impossible for Warren to be elected (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            NonnyO

            President. If it looked like she could win, she'd be, hmmm, dealt with.

            Again, my main emphasis is: how do we get real-talk happening in the public sphere? I see no better option than a run by her.

            PS: It's Jeb Bush vs Hillary in 2016, and the lowest voter turnout in US history.


            Actual Democrats: the surest, quickest, route to More Democrats. And actually addressing our various emergencies.

            by Jim P on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 04:14:38 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  I don't know how... (0+ / 0-)

              ... to get people to talk about real issues as long as the Media Morons do nothing but talk about trivial topics that have nothing to do with anything relevant....

              ".... Squirrel....!"

              I don't see Media Morons changing their tactics if Warren is in the pictures..., but if she's anywhere near being mentioned, I do hope you are correct.  Based on Moronic Media history to this current date, I don't foresee any of their tactics changing.

              "Ooooooh, shiny sparkly things!"

              Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh.  Unfortunately, I think your P.S. is correct.  I hafta vote for state and local Dems at least (voting is so easy in MN, I don't have any excuse not to), but if those two are the "more and less evil" prez choices, I'll leave the ovals blank or do a write-in name.

              Damn, but this country is so far into the dregs of idiocy it just drives me bonkers!

              I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

              by NonnyO on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 06:25:29 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

      •  Elizabeth Warren has more courage and conviction (9+ / 0-)

        than the rest of the Congressional Democrats combined. There are a few good Democratic Senators and Representatives and I am a big Russ Feingold supporter as well as being a big Bernie Sanders fan, but don't underestimate Elizabeth Warren; she could reinvigorate the Democratic base.

        There is a good reason the bankers and Wall Street criminals fear her.

        As far as Hillary: she might as well run on the Republican ticket -- there isn't enough difference to make a distinction.

        •  Two more terms in the Senate for Warren (0+ / 0-)

          Then she might be ready for the presidency.  (See my reply to Jim P above.)

          Just. not. now!

          Sanders-Feingold I could get behind.

          Didn't I read that Chelsea might try to get preggers and have a baby this year?  If so, Hillary has a good reason to stay home and be a grandmother rather than run for president.

          I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

          by NonnyO on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 12:53:47 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

      •  Like hell she's naive. (0+ / 0-)

        1)She had been around DC a while before she ran for Senate. Stop acting like she's freshly minted from an ivory tower, because she isn't. She's worked in the White House, with Larry Summer and Tim Geithner in her face, so it's not like she's an innocent.

        2)Congress no longer bestows "gravitas" on anybody. That hurts for people who have a deep respect for our first branch of government (which I do), but that's the way it is.

        3)She figured out really damned fast what the only real power she has is:  if you're a Senator, they can't turn off the mike.

        I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 08:06:15 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  The only way a man wins the (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    JeffW, Hey338Too, virginislandsguy

    Democratic nomination is if more than one woman runs and splits the female vote. That's why the more extreme anti-Hillary groups love the Elizabeth Warren meme. And those that support Warren because they genuinely like her should probably pause for a moment and consider that this is slated to be a historic election for women everywhere. Do they really want to be part of a campaign that ironically would be the biggest threat to a woman winning in 2016?

    •  What does gender have to do with mass (13+ / 0-)

      corruption in the key parts of public life?

      If anybody thinks gender matters more in a candidate than connecting with people on the basis of real things, they might have an idea how to play in our suicidal 'conventional politics,' but a very very poor survival instinct.

      It's ALL the genders, and all our skins, at risk if we keep on doing these DC death-dive conventional politics bullshit we've been doing for decades, after all.

      Who cares who says what's true in a time when manipulating people by their emotions and lying is just standard political practice?


      Actual Democrats: the surest, quickest, route to More Democrats. And actually addressing our various emergencies.

      by Jim P on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 09:19:54 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  If gender doesn't matter then (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        virginislandsguy, Bill W

        why have we had 44 presidents who are all of the same gender?

        It matters. Electing the first woman would greatly matter, in so many ways.

        •  So if we get a woman (6+ / 0-)

          as President who continues to kow-tow to the Bankers; who continues to purpose 'Free Trade Agreements;' who still pursues the fortunes of bankers; who still appoints corporate hacks and insiders to key positions, then that's more important, because of gender, than a candidate of any sex whatsoever who charges the public discourse with relevant and true issues; forcing in effect the entire political class to deal with them, at least rhetorically.

          Seriously, you'd rather have a President whatever-Cheney's daughter is named than any male?

          But I covered your point in my second paragraph in the comment you responded to.


          Actual Democrats: the surest, quickest, route to More Democrats. And actually addressing our various emergencies.

          by Jim P on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 11:08:46 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  Keep that identity politics candy shell (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          gulfgal98

          around the plutocracy, doc!

          Gender equality is the spoonful of sugar that makes the corruption go down!

          Once we've had eight years of Hillary and things are just as bad or worse as she continues Bush policies (just like Obama has) remember this exchange.

          I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

          by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 08:12:01 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

    •  Slated? By whom? (17+ / 0-)

      I think the American electorate needs to be consulted first.  What we need is a President who meets the needs of the country, male or female

      •  It's a trick.. (4+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        cybrestrike, Portlaw, unfangus, mwm341

        By saying 'it's Hillary's turn,' he allows Hillary to escape the scrutiny of a democratic primary electorate. So we never hear her vision for the party. On the issues.

        Btw, what is Hillary's opinion of TPP?
        Austerity?
        Keystone XL?
        Would she have appointed Lawrence Summers to Fed?
        Was she angry at Obama's decision to seek a vote over Syria--did she think he should've attacked?
        What were her greatest achievements as SoS?

        She doesn't want to answer stuff like that, so expect to hear a lot about it being 'her turn.'

    •  "Don't rock the boat that will elect another (19+ / 0-)

      corporatist! Because she's female!"

      Yeah, no thanks. I like Warren on her own merits. HRC is just more of the same old 'one from column A, one from column B' menu of crap.

      Would I vote for Hillary? No, but I would vote against any Republican opponent. I sure as hell wouldn't work for her campaign or go out to get others to vote for her. I'd feel too much like I was urging people to eat another shit sandwich for the sake of a false sense of dwindling protection from utter insanity.

      •  Do you not understand the politics (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        virginislandsguy

        at play? The GOP does not want to face Hillary Clinton in 2016. They are afraid of her ability to win and they are afraid of what she'd do as president. Agreed so far?

        The GOP knows that the best way to defeat Hillary during the primaries would be for another woman (or two) to run, splitting the pro-woman vote. This is an obvious tactic and not a secret nor all that controversial. That is why supporters of Warren find themselves ironically doing that which is the worst thing in the world for women, and doing something which furthers the interests of the Republican Party. Once her supporters understand this, I think most of them will back off and join the Hillary bandwagon.

        •  Yeah, I understand your point. I also understand (12+ / 0-)

          that HRC is just another in a long line of not-really-for-the-people candidates that the Dems have put forth. Frankly, I'm afraid of what she will do with the presidency, too.

          She certainly won't prosecute Wall Street, or sway the corporate/citizen balance of power.

          Hey, I've got an idea: Have Hillary drop out of the race, and let Warren run without the risk of splitting the vote. Maybe what this country needs most is a President who isn't desperate to have the office!

          Win-win.

        •  She couldn't win in 2008, when Intrade had her ... (9+ / 0-)

          .as the prohibitive favorite.  And you want to argue that the GOP is afraid of her.

          When was the last time an uncharismatic Democratic nominee won the presidency?

          HRC has the same problem that Mondale, Dukakis, Gore and Kerry have had.  She doesn't inspire.  She won't have Dems canvass for her, the same way we did for President Clinton and President Obama.

          Those two could move the masses with their rhetoric.  They had Dems buy into their vision of a better America.

          HRC can't galvanize an audience.  She's a flawed candidate.

          Learn about Centrist Economics, learn about Robert Rubin's Hamilton Project. www.hamiltonproject.org

          by PatriciaVa on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 10:18:05 PM PST

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          •  You said the secret word, Pres. Clinton, he's on (0+ / 0-)

            her team and will be campaigning as he did for a markedly uncharismatic Obama who had a hard time beating psychopathic Romney in a debate. It's not how good your candidate is, it's how weak your opponent is, and moneybags Karl Rove himself makes a better candidate than the GOP field.

        •  Do you not understand the politics (4+ / 0-)

          at play? There's another club than Republican and Democratic, and you and everyone we know, or even walk past on the street ain't in it.

          It's a club where you go make two speeches for under a half hour each, telling Bankers they ain't all that bad, and you get $4 0 0 , 0 0 0. Four hundred thousand dollars.

          Your scenario is ludicrous because most people aren't so stupid that they're going to vote as if gender were the most important issue facing them.


          Actual Democrats: the surest, quickest, route to More Democrats. And actually addressing our various emergencies.

          by Jim P on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 11:24:03 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  people said this in 2008 (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          wasatch

          it was a weak-assed argument then too. everyone claims the GOP doesn't want to run against them.

    •  So now it's an Entitlement, that a woman must win? (6+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      kyril, Jim P, Pluto, Skyye, cybrestrike, Portlaw

      I'll make the same argument regarding Mexican-Americans that you make regarding women.

      Does HRC want to stand in the way of the first Mexican-American winning the presidency?

      If not, she should clear the path for Mayor Castro, a nominee that does not come from the reactionary, intransigent wing of the Democratic Party.

      A nominee who would not have advised President Obama to declare war against Syria, as a former SOS did.

      Learn about Centrist Economics, learn about Robert Rubin's Hamilton Project. www.hamiltonproject.org

      by PatriciaVa on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 10:13:02 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Nonsense. (5+ / 0-)

      Looking over the current field of potential male primary candidates, none is as economically progressive as Warren.

      If it's a primary contest between Warren, Clinton and any of the males being floated as a potential, he and Clinton would split the "business as usual vote," leaving Warren the clear favorite.

      In 2006 Obama explicitly and definitively ruled out a 2008 run for president and declared he would remain in the senate until his term expired in 2010. Can we please stop the "Warren won't run" bullshit?

      by WisePiper on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 10:41:05 PM PST

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    •  i'm not that interested in electing (6+ / 0-)

      an american thatcher. hillary is not thew only woman in the party, and she has done nothing to justify getting a presidency handed to her without actually campaigning for it. the inevitable it's her turn insider juggernaut act was tired eight years ago.

  •  Hillary neds to step up... (0+ / 0-)

    If she doesn't, folks will stay home.

    What is so unnerving about the candidacy of Sarah Palin is the degree to which she represents—and her supporters celebrate—the joyful marriage of confidence and ignorance. SAM HARRIS

    by Cpqemp on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 09:39:07 PM PST

  •  Teddy Kennedy once ran (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    tarkangi, Laurence Lewis

    But in hindsight he did infinitely more good over all those years in the Senate.

    If you think you're too small to be effective, you've never been in the dark with a mosquito.

    by marykk on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 10:35:29 PM PST

  •  I would support Warren (10+ / 0-)

    because she comes closest to representing my values and my class.

    I won't support Clinton, because she demonstrably doesn't represent my values or interests.

    Simple really...

    It always seems impossible until its done. -Nelson Mandela

    by chuckvw on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 10:48:16 PM PST

  •  she's not running (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    duhban, TomP, Musial

    she's really really really not running.

    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

    by Laurence Lewis on Fri Feb 07, 2014 at 11:05:20 PM PST

  •  This vision of Warren as Joan of Arc is laughable. (0+ / 0-)

    nt

    •  You're harshing everyone's buzz, dude. (0+ / 0-)


      “The Internet is the first thing that humanity has built that humanity doesn't understand, the largest experiment in anarchy that we have ever had.” ― Eric Schmidt

      by Pluto on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 12:54:43 AM PST

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  •  There is no way Barack Obama (5+ / 0-)
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    …can win the presidency.

    For one thing, his middle name is Hussein. Plus, he's not white. He has no history in politics. Who's ever even heard of the guy?

    And, his vision is way too different from the status quo.

    Don't even get me started on his religious, communist, inner-city, gangster friends.

    Forgetaboutit.


    “The Internet is the first thing that humanity has built that humanity doesn't understand, the largest experiment in anarchy that we have ever had.” ― Eric Schmidt

    by Pluto on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 01:02:50 AM PST

    •  Are you just adding snark? Because this (0+ / 0-)

      isn't a retort to the diary, it's non-sequitur. There's no 'cant' implication there whatsoever.

      While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

      by GoGoGoEverton on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 05:32:38 AM PST

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    •  Obama was able to win because (2+ / 0-)
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      he's really good at making speeches to the people that make them think he's on their side. That shuts them up while he continues to do all he can to help the bankers and the ultra-rich.

      I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 08:17:54 AM PST

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  •  Warren is doing very well in the Senate...we need (0+ / 0-)

    many more like her there...

    I am not really thrilled about Hillary Clinton being president, either...she is more conservative than Obama, which is bad enough.

    I'd GLADLY vote for Joe Biden should he actually decide to run, or a similar REAL liberal, if one should turn up somewhere.

    Bring me the head of Geraldo Rivera.

    by old mark on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 01:49:01 AM PST

  •  Warren campaigning for Progressive candidates, (1+ / 0-)
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    especially first-timers, would be a more valuable use of her time and fundraising ability than seriously trying to beat Hillary for the Presidential nomination, although this logic would not prevent Warren from jumping into the Presidential race as pure message candidate if nobody else appears to be gaining a hearing for Progressive messages.

    Hillary's policies as President will be determined more by Senate and House election results than by anything else.

    So far, Warren appears to be

    mostly fundraising for party committees and incumbents — the kind of contributions expected of almost any senator.
    The above quote seems accurate, even though it comes from frequent concern troll Politico, in this story.
  •  I can see her being asked to join. (0+ / 0-)

    I can see her not being a part of the campaign, and keeping a low profile, and Hillary asking her to run as her V.P.  And these two women are going to win.

    " With religion you can't get just a little pregnant"

    by EarTo44 on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 05:12:08 AM PST

    •  Have to say a Warren VP would be the least (3+ / 0-)
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      effective role for her, IMO.

      While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

      by GoGoGoEverton on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 05:33:44 AM PST

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      •  Agreed. She's more effective as a Senator. nt (3+ / 0-)
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      •  For once, you and I are in agreement (0+ / 0-)

        in fact, wouldn't be surprised if I saw Hillary do that. It would be a great way to make her campaign look better while shoehorning Warren into a position where she would have to shut up.

        I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 08:18:50 AM PST

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        •  Remember that guy ??? That silent V.P. (0+ / 0-)

          Yah, Dick Cheney.
          The silent one that did nothing.

          Well, why can't the Dems have a pitbull V.P. that does a lot while the President does what she can.

          I have no doubt, Elizabeth Warren would be an effective V.P. and not at all in any position where she would remain silent.

          You have her mistaken, and the role of V.P.

          " With religion you can't get just a little pregnant"

          by EarTo44 on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 08:37:34 AM PST

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          •  Nah, I think you're misunderstanding Bush II's (1+ / 0-)
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            Whitehouse. Cheney was the most powerful VP in history probably, because Bush let him and wanted him to be. That situation was an exception, not the rule.

            While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

            by GoGoGoEverton on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 08:44:31 AM PST

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            •  Yeah, and Cheney had power from other places (1+ / 0-)
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              that little network of ex-Nixon administration guys is powerful and ugly in the extreme. Plus, Cheney has tons of money and is in one of the five or six most powerful industries in the country. Big Defense. Well, of course he's also involved in Big Energy, so that's two.

              That guy can't be made powerless by sticking him in the Vice Presidency.

              I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

              by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 09:41:39 AM PST

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  •  I DO WANT HER TO BE PRESIDENT (1+ / 0-)
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    it's wayyy past time we had a brilliant actual reformer in the White House... our standing in the world would go up significantly with a President Warren.

    but we ALL know this will not happen.. in fact there will be numerous "democrats" who will work against her efforts in this direction-- just as they worked against Mr Dean.

    "It is essential that there should be organization of Labor. Capital organizes & therefore Labor must organize" Theodore Roosevelt

    by Superpole on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 06:14:37 AM PST

  •  Jeb Bush is really, truly going to run (1+ / 0-)
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    I mean, seriously?

    This is reinforcing the worst of my conspiracy theories about how the mainstream Republicans are actually working with conservative Democrats to keep the plutocracy in power.

    Because the Republicans can't seriously think that Jeb Bush could actually win the election. All this is going to do is make Hillary look like a hero (which she isn't) and a populist (which she isn't).

    I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

    by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 07:52:24 AM PST

  •  You don't say (0+ / 0-)

    why you don't want her to be president. Wasn't that the point of your diary?

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    I don't know about Chris Martin, but I do know why Saint Peter won't call my name.

    by Bill in MD on Sat Feb 08, 2014 at 08:44:25 AM PST

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