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With the recent report by the Congressional Budget Office, a portion of which announced that there would be two million fewer jobs, the anti-Obamacare crew went nuts.  It was widely reported in the media that this meant two million job losses, eek!  What many people failed to notice, however, was that the CBO report was talking about jobs, or hours at jobs, that people voluntarily stop working.

If I voluntarily cut my hours because I no longer have to work longer just to get health coverage, most people would congratulate me.  The anti-Obamacare "job-killer" logic can also apply to summer vacations and weekends, too.  Just think of all the jobs that are being killed by people not working!

Don't get me wrong, Obamacare is a cobbled together beast of a program that's a huge giveaway to the insurance industry, but it's better than the alternative.  Enjoy the cartoon, like, share and stay healthy-- and if you cut your work hours because you no longer have to scramble to qualify for health insurance, congratulations!  (More links behind the cartoon are on my website.)

[political ad hit piece voice]

After the recent report revealing that Obamacare will kill two million jobs, let's take a closer look at the insidious job-killers!

Two million jobs will be killed, because . . .

Jeb Stevens doesn't want to work the extra hours just to keep his health insurance anymore.

He'd rather kill jobs, hour by every hour he doesn't work.

Henrietta Smith no longer has to hang onto her job until Medicare kicks in, because she can get insured through Obamacare now.

She's a job killer, too.

Betsy Jenkins is ditching those extra hours she used to have to work to qualify for health coverage through her employer.

She wants to spend more time . . . with her children.  No doubt teaching them to kill jobs, too.

When people choose not to work jobs they don't want or need, they're killing good, American jobs.

Already, too many jobs are killed . . .

by summer vacation, weekends, and the worst job-killer of all . . . retirement!

So many jobs are already needlessly being killed, it's high time we stop Obamacare from killing jobs, too.

Put America back to work, whether it wants to or not.

(A message from people who will never stop trying to kill Obamacare no matter what leaps of logic it takes.)

Originally posted to Comics on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 06:50 AM PST.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  Love the horror movie music and the evil mom (5+ / 0-)
    She wants to spend more time . . . with her children.  No doubt teaching them to kill jobs, too.

    If cats could blog, they wouldn't

    by crystal eyes on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 07:05:32 AM PST

    •  Somewhere around the sixties (1+ / 0-)
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      crystal eyes

      1099 contract labor hit my industry. Good pay but no benefits or unemployment, short term hires with killer commutes, sometimes out of state, even overseas in war zones putting our work in in competition with Filipinos, Pakistanis, or Colombians, expendable people who had no word for union in their native language and when deadlines hit we would charette till we dropped, 24 to 48 hours right through weekends, six months away from families at a hit.

      By the eighties and nineties where manufacturing had NAFTA, We had Devex, GTE, ARAMCO and Contel Federal Systems and a flat playing field in Europe, Asia, Africa, the Caribbean, South America, Oceanasia chasing the oil and gas; new cities, transportation, communications, dams, powerlines, pipelines, the infrastructure necessary to govern

      Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Incarcerate

      by rktect on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 12:40:50 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  My experience with 1099 contract labor is as a (0+ / 0-)

        Volunteer Income Tax Assistance volunteer.  What I saw of 1099 contract labor was an excuse to pay way less than minimum wage for work from people too desperate for work to complain about having to work for way less than minimum wage--like a legally blind pianist playing at a supper club.

    •  Missed one point though. (4+ / 0-)

      The other and largest job killer:
      The prohibition of child labor.

      Something the far right has already complained about repeatedly.

  •  And of course we all know that Labor Laws already (4+ / 0-)
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    splashy, PSzymeczek, MaikeH, Janet 707

    account for the deaths of untold millions of unborn jobs that children should be doing.

    Poor little fetal jobs...they never stood a chance.  (sniff)  

    (Do I really need a "snark" tag for this?)  

    Somebody told me that you had a boyfriend who looked a girlfriend that I had in February of last year.

    by koosah on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 07:07:15 AM PST

  •  Pretzel logic exposed. (9+ / 0-)

    Well done, as usual. The mildly amusing thing is, if those jobs then become available because people choose not to work, why unemployment goes down! What a concept! But, Obamacare bad, must freak out!

    •  Real unemployment should go down. (2+ / 0-)
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      PSzymeczek, The grouch

      Who knows about "official unemployment"?

      But yes, and that's one thing that continues to confuse me about the CBO report (on a second-hand basis: still haven't found a nice quite time to go through the report) is that it seems to say that fewer hours will be worked.  Presumably, those hours are needed by employers and will be filled by unemployed people, hence hours stay the same.

      Or -- go up as money goes to people who need it instead of people who don't, increasing demand for some items and services.

      LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

      by dinotrac on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 07:41:54 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  I was going to make this point. (2+ / 0-)
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        Skyprogress, fhcec

        If someone is being PAID to do a job, it means that the work is valuable enough for the employer to pay for.  If someone voluntarily quits to leave a job they no longer need, that MUST leave an unfilled demand for labor. Of course, another option is to pay the people left a little more and actually improve production enough to eliminate the need to fill the abandoned job.

    •  Unwinding the pretzel a little more. (0+ / 0-)

      Let's see…  Marvin works two sixteen-hour shifts as a cook, for a popular burger joint and a chicken resto.  With Obamacare, he can quit one of them.  Thus he creates one job and himself does not join the unemployed.  He CREATES one job and does not go on the dole!  What a guy!  And only with the help of the ACA.

    •  One purpose of Social Security in the 1930s (1+ / 0-)
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      grannygrey50

      was to allow people who could barely do their work due to age and poor health, but were hanging on because they did not have a pension, to retire and still be able to survive, making their jobs available for younger people and reducing unemployment (among those still raising their families), and allowing their spending to stimulate the economy and create more jobs.

      AFDC, or "welfare," when originally enacted, helped single or, more commonly, ABANDONED mothers to raise healthy children without taking jobs away from others, usually fathers, given the bias toward working dads and stay at home moms.  Many of their husbands had left town, often by hopping freight trains (who had money for tickets?), to look for work, hoping to make enough extra to send home, but their odds were not good, and many never came home, leaving their families abandoned, whether intentionally or not.  The "welfare queen" stereotype was never true of more than a small minority of women; most of them were raising the children their husbands had left them with, and were too busy to have more, until the economy improved in wartime and they met new husbands.

      And Medicare surely had the same effect in 1965, although there was no really urgent unemployment problem then (too many young men had government jobs in the jungle).  People afraid to retire and give up their employment-based health care, unless they were lucky enough to have good RETIREE health care at their company, were finally able to let go and retire.  And their former employers' health care pools got healthier, and in the case of those who offered retiree health plans, smaller, saving them money.

  •  Retirement is the hugest job killer (4+ / 0-)
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    dinotrac, Amber6541, Janet 707, meinoregon

    And, I confess, even though I enjoy it, it's killing my will to work. We should all pledge to work till we drop, preferably in a   mind-numbing, minimum wage job that no young person will do. The more distasteful and dangerous the job, the better for this grand old country.

    Happy St. Valentines Day, Rebugliscams!

    What stronger breast-plate than a heart untainted! Thrice is he arm'd, that hath his quarrel just; And he but naked, though lock'd up in steel, Whose conscience with injustice is corrupted. Henry VI Part II Act 3 Scene 2

    by TerryDarc on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 07:16:34 AM PST

  •  The CBO report was the worst example of messaging (5+ / 0-)

    ever--how the hell did they manage to spin 2.5 additional jobs (which seems to be what we're talking about--the work will still be there, it's just that the ones doing it now will do something else) into 2.5 million jobs "lost"? Are they so obsessed with number crunching that they are unable to understand what English words mean?

    "All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out." --I.F. Stone

    by Alice in Florida on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 07:17:37 AM PST

    •  Exactly--this creates EMPLOYMENT DEMAND (1+ / 0-)
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      PSzymeczek

      If some people voluntarily decide to work fewer hours, that creates demand, which means someone who was unemployed or under-employed adds those hours.  

      Am I missing something?

      "Evil resides in the very gaze which perceives Evil all around." -- GWF Hegel

      by Fatherflot on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 07:24:32 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Republican response (0+ / 0-)

        I agree entirely with the previous letters!  My first reaction to the clamor about this was that in fact the people who give up some hours or jobs open opportunities for others! But NOWHERE in the press was this obvious fact mentioned.  It's depressing how the right is able to derail every topic into illogical and false accusation without being challenged.

        •  ...you are right... (0+ / 0-)

          ...but what the right really hates is helping the citizens of the USA as a whole, whether via Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid or ObamaCare. For them it's about money that will help people afford for-profit-health-insurance policies.

          The other thing they haven't said yet (and I assume they will) is that a couple million work hours will be freed up for others to then fill those work hours, as you state, but won't that then create up to 4 million folks who can afford to buy a health insurance policy? Yes it likely does.

          These guys only see the help folks will be getting from the Gov. to pay for their policies. It's the very same Republican health care policy that was created by the Heritage Foundation as the answer to Hillary Clinton's health initiative back in 1994. Jump 20 years into the future and we have RomneyCare and now ObamaCare based upon the Republican health plan. It was sure a swell idea when Mitt Romney, a Republican, created RomneyCare in Mass. but communism when Barack, a Democrat, created ObamaCare.

          As John Elway said just prior to the Superbowl, "I don't believe in safety nets of any sort at all." Well that's great, except the NFL makes $billions and doesn't pay a dime in taxes...none...zip...nada. Those uber rich owners keep all the profits tax free.

          So safety nets are just fine if it's corporate welfare or rich NFL owner welfare, but heave forbid we have food stamps or unemployment benefits (that are paid for by employees) when you lose your job. It's great to have farmers subsidized so that the top 10% of the richest farmers get 70% of all the farm welfare, but heaven forbid we help people get health insurance.

          The farm bill just signed, BTW is worse than what we had before. It will increase the amount the $millionaire farmers get by about 15%. Instead of going directly to the farmers, it goes into a "trust" if you will. That trust then will pay the farmers 86% of what they made during the very best year they've had. So if even relatively small changed in the price of goods or climate changes takes place, these farmers get paid...

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          by paradise50 on Sun Feb 16, 2014 at 11:19:45 AM PST

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          •  In the 60's my husband farmed (0+ / 0-)

            and I had to teach to put food on the table and to have health insurance.  We had a small family farm, got no subsidies (because we hadn't grown wheat), and my teaching wages covered daycare part of the time (my MIL also took care of the children for no pay at times..so she had no SS) but we DID HAVE health care which was a serious need in a farming family.  I got pregnant, and back then the school board was going to fire me; my doctor, who was on the Board, told them that he would back me in filing a lawsuit because I was healthy enough to teach.  I finished out the school year.  I had insurance when the baby was born in July.  
            My husband found another job, our farming basically ended..and the farm was not productive any longer..but I could substitute, and actually spend time with the children much of the time.  The first two were raised by babysitters, not me.  When I stepped out of the classroom, it opened up the class to another new teacher to begin a career as my husband's new job carried good health insurance including some dental care.  

    •  because they were acting like grown ups.... (3+ / 0-)
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      ...and didn't count on the right/baggers who follow a childish 'NOBODY TOLD ME I COULDN'T' logic for anything, wherein no direct negative is a positive and no direct positive is a negative.

  •  oh my god (6+ / 0-)
    Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

    9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

    10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

    11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

    God is a jobkiller apparently.
  •  Hey! How can you get away with that? (1+ / 0-)
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    PSzymeczek

    Maybe it's the way you put it:

    cobbled-together beast of a program
    That's got a better ring to it that "terrible law that does some good things".

    Maybe that's why I always get beat up for saying the exact same thing you did with different words.

    I call not fair.

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 07:29:41 AM PST

  •  Good cartoon! Thanks! (1+ / 0-)
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    Amber6541

    I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate.

    by Ender on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 08:01:18 AM PST

  •  Unfortunately, the cartoon (1+ / 0-)
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    Amber6541

    while clearly showing the absurdity of the "job killer" meme, repeats it for comic effect and thus does not reach the real problem, which is that if the CBO is correct there would actually be 2.5 million jobs coming on the market. The right wing seems to be all about the idea that there is some kind of labor shortage which is going to made worse by Obamacare, which is kinda weird when on the other hand they're blaming him for the unemployment rate.

    "All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out." --I.F. Stone

    by Alice in Florida on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 08:14:08 AM PST

    •  Ah but this way they get to have their cake and (0+ / 0-)

      eat it too.
      But seriously logic is rarely a real part of their arguments.
      There's no labour shortage in basic terms, not when unemployment is above 0%, you only have a labour shortage when number of jobs > labour pool. I will yield that some specialized jobs might not have people qualified to fill them, but I wouldn't swear to it, I'd be willing to bet that's mostly spin on behalf of those who want to import cheap labour or export jobs. If it's true at all then it's partially because nobody wants crippling college bills to train for a job that might not be available when they're done.

      But hey we already knew they lived in a fantasy world.

      •  The last REAL labor shortage in the US (0+ / 0-)

        was 1941 to 1945.  That's when Rosie the Riveter and her many sisters got to see what paid employment is like.  And for them, and the men who were not called up, employers were almost kneeling at their feet, offering free health plans and life insurance (with retirement savings included), because the anti-inflation laws would only allow wages to rise so much.  Except for the rationing and the blackouts, so my parents told me, life on the home front was almost heaven, at least financially.  After all, SOMEONE had to build the ships, planes, tanks, guns, ammunition, etc. faster than the enemy could knock them down.

        American workers have never since been treated quite so well by employers, although employers generally treated workers well until about 1980, thanks to unions and laws that protected workers from abuse (in the majority ethnic group, anyway).  Then we got a President who believed that even highly skilled air traffic controllers who were holding the lives of hundreds of people in their hands could be overworked till they were tired without harming the country, and things have gone downhill from then.

        •  Yes it was a fairly global concept thanks to men (0+ / 0-)

          going to war and leaving jobs that needed filling. Then the wars ended, the men came home and we had a period of massive unemployment but that was stabilized in part by the labour unions, then the 80s and early 90s hit and suddenly we all started losing jobs again (and this wasn't just America, it happened elsewhere too), post 9/11 we took another hit globally as fuel prices soared making business more expensive and leading to downsizing to compensate (while corporate salaries continued to rise and the rate even accelerated in many cases).

          The GFC was a predictable outcome even without the deregulation, and good economists had been warning for years of the impending doom, especially after the deregulation, though I know many underestimated the impact when it finally hit (I can't really fault their models, it's hard to fully model base human greed).

  •  Love it, but (0+ / 0-)

    I miss that annoying little girl narrator. Please bring her back for the next one.

    It is better to light one candle than to curse the darkness - Eleanor Roosevelt

    by Fish in Illinois on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 08:22:59 AM PST

  •  Opponents of Obamacare (3+ / 0-)
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    remind me of Wile. E. Coyote.
    They [conservative billionaires] are never going to succeed at repealing obamacare and will never stop trying.

  •  I'm Just waiting for the Inevitable (1+ / 0-)
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    meinoregon

    "Those Jobs were KILLED by the Obamacare Death Panels !!!".

    On Giving Advice: Smart People Don't Need It and Stupid People Don't Listen

    by Brian76239 on Fri Feb 14, 2014 at 12:44:33 PM PST

  •  Rethugs Expect Peons to Live to Work, NOT Work to (0+ / 0-)

    live and use free time to pursue happiness and enjoy liberty and life.

  •  bulls-EYE! (2+ / 0-)
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    Gene in L A, Silina

    i have loved these lyrics since a teenager in 1968.

    "...we'll call you when you're six years old
    and drag you to the factory
    to train your brain for eighteen years
    with promise of security
    but then you're free
    and forty years you waste to chase the dollar sign
    so you may die in Florida
    at the pleasant age of sixty nine..." j. kay
    something was in the air, alright.
  •  Lying republican liars (1+ / 0-)
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    Silina

    took the CBO numbers and did with them the only thing they could. They spun republican lies. Lying republican liars lie republican lies, that's all they have, the truth is defeat. Only in lies do the lying republican liars lying republican lies have a chance to maintain political power.

  •  Worst nightmare for 1%ers (2+ / 0-)
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    Gene in L A, Silina

    The idea of people not having to work until they drop terrifies the wealthy living in the US.
    They like it here but know they can only continue to enjoy their lifestyle so long as the local serfs are kept at a level where they can just about maintain themselves at subsistence level by working, working working.
    Unions, universal healthcare, good educations and - don't even say these words out loud - taxation to provide  socialism and dreaded entitlements...
    They are well aware that they can't eat their money or fill their cars or Lear-jets, fertilize crops or clean their houses with it.
    Money, wealth. They only feel secure when they have more than they could possibly need and everyone else is in dire need.

    Possessions possess us.

  •  Mobility (2+ / 0-)
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    Gene in L A, Silina

    What I did not hear was ACA allows people to move to other jobs without fear of losing their insurance.  I was a Fed and had health insurance for my family and me through the Fed Employee Health Benefit Plan.  I had open heart surgery at 39, some serious stuff not just bypass.  From that day on, I was married to the Govt and could not think of leaving even if the Corp. pay was fantastic.  

    Under ACA, anyone is mobile, can leave their job BUT TO BETTER THEMSELVES elsewhere.  Our masters don't want to hear that.

    •  And many who could start their own business (0+ / 0-)

      have stayed in their old job because they, or someone in their family, needs health insurance and could not get it in the pre-Obamacare market.  Now they can get affordable care on the exchange and open their own business, and with some talent, good management and good luck, create jobs for others!  And in the short term, their investing in that new business will create new jobs as well.  Of course, their old bosses may not like the competition...

  •  If anything... (1+ / 0-)
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    Gene in L A

    this is a boon to the jobs market. It gets people who don't want to be working out of their jobs, and makes room for people who DO want work.

    •  It is not that people do not wish to work (0+ / 0-)

      It is because  to pay for health care they had to work two and three jobs. That is unhealthy, and no other nation asks that of their citizens. Other developed, industrialized nations have single payer systems or if they use insurance companies the costs are tightly controlled, so that no on is impoverished for having health care.  Now, a person can work just one job and be able to afford health insurance, AND be there to raise their children.

  •  Leave it to the Grand Ole Propagandists (1+ / 0-)
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    Silina

    to turn an orange into a lemon.

    Thanks for your usual bang-up work, Mark, and thanks for sharing it with us.

  •  Excellent… (0+ / 0-)

    Excellent…

  •  Because he's too much like Mittens (0+ / 0-)

    Well, yes - I have lost confidence in Obama - because he reminds me too much of Mitt Romney.  

    Warren/Grayson 2016! Yes We Can!

    by BenFranklin99 on Sun Feb 16, 2014 at 01:39:01 AM PST

  •  Repeat a lie million times... (0+ / 0-)

    ...And it becomes the truth! That's the Republican strategy. So their current talking point is to repeat a million times that "Obamacare kills jobs." Studies have shown that conservatives are less intelligent than liberals, so, sadly, this tactic has proved effective. Just a few days ago Republicans convinced autoworkers in Tennessee that belonging to a union would actually be bad for them!

    Dumb, poor, and ignorant--that's the ideal Republican voter!

  •  Sick of the term "Obamacare" (0+ / 0-)

    Am I the only idiot that sees that 2 million Americans leaving jobs they don't want or need relieves the pressure just slightly on the unemployed by making those jobs, sh*tty or not, to the unemployed? Jeez, you would think SOMEONE would say something positive about that aspect.

  •  Better than the alternative (0+ / 0-)

    If the only alternative we're allowed to consider is going back to the old (non-)system, then yes. But it's certainly not better than the real alternative, eliminating insurance as a product and extending Medicare to fully cover all medically necessary services for everyone living in the country.

  •  What it really says about Republicans (0+ / 0-)

    So, directly from the Republican Playbook, or perverted ways of Newt Gingrich and his Word List ... screw things up, then find ways to shift blame. That's all that they are good at.  Lord knows that they don't legislate.

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