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Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer speaks to the Arizona GOP

Here's the latest evidence of the overwhelming opposition to Arizona's okay-to-discriminate bill: A poll showing that by a two-to-one margin, the state's Republicans want Gov. Jan Brewer to veto the legislation:

In the automated poll of 802 Republicans by Coleman Dahm, a Republican political consulting firm in Phoenix, 57.1 percent of respondents who were asked about the bill said they would like Brewer to veto it. Only 27.6 percent said they want her to sign SB1062. The remaining 15.3 percent had no opinion. The poll has a margin of error of +/- 4 percentage points.
With rank-and-file Republicans joining everyone from big-name corporations to both of the state's GOP Senators in urging a Brewer veto, the fact that she's taking so long to announce her decision is all the more curious.

Nonetheless, pretty much everyone thinks her decision will be to veto the bill, even Rush Limbaugh. And Limbaugh's explanation for why she'll veto it is eye-rollingly predictable:

“She’s being bullied by the homosexual lobby in Arizona and elsewhere,” he said. “She’s being bullied by the nationwide drive-by media, she’s being bullied by certain elements of corporate America in order to advance the gay agenda. I guess in that circumstance bullying is admirable. In fact, this kind of bullying is honorable.”
I guess Rush Limbaugh defines standing up against bigotry as bullying, which if nothing else is probably an honest reflection of how he feels. And despite his sarcasm, it is honorable to stand up against discrimination.

But as we wait for Brewer to announce her decision, get ready for some nauseating commentary from pundits about how this episode shows how much the Republican Party has evolved because after several days of outcry, a Republican governor vetoed one of the most offensively homophobic pieces of legislation in recent memory. But it's not the GOP that's changed, it's the society around it. Yes, when caught with their pants down, Republicans might have the awareness to pull them back up, albeit incredibly slowly. The credit for that doesn't go to the Republican Party, however: It goes to the people who fought back against what they were trying to do.

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  •  Expert Opinion (4+ / 0-)
    “She’s being bullied by the homosexual lobby in Arizona and elsewhere,” he said. “She’s being bullied by the nationwide drive-by media, she’s being bullied by certain elements of corporate America in order to advance the gay agenda. I guess in that circumstance bullying is admirable. In fact, this kind of bullying is honorable.”

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013 (@eState4Column5).

    by annieli on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 01:23:12 PM PST

    •  That was sarcasm. (7+ / 0-)

      Who is this Rush Limbaugh person and why should I care what he thinks?

      "Non-violence is a powerful and just weapon which cuts without wounding and ennobles the man who wields it. It is a sword that heals." - Martin Luther King, Jr.

      by Gentle Giant on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 01:34:37 PM PST

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      •  Limp Gasbag: if the AntiChrist needs valet parking (3+ / 0-)
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        Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013 (@eState4Column5).

        by annieli on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 01:40:04 PM PST

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      •  Actually, I saw it as (0+ / 0-)

        "bullying" in the interest of making a buck is "honorable"--as opposed to pressure being brought to bear in the interest of ending invidious discrimination against fellow human beings, which in Rush's world is the worst thing in the world.

        But then, I just saw it in print, don't know how he said it, which could have dripped sarcasm. I'm not interested in listening, so if someone else has, I'd defer to their judgement.

        "All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out." --I.F. Stone

        by Alice in Florida on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 03:10:19 PM PST

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    •  No, she is being touted for VEEP in 2016 (2+ / 0-)
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      That is what she is holding out for..

      Proud to be part of the 21st Century Democratic Majority Party of the 3M's.. Multiracial, Multigender and MiddleClass

      by LOrion on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 01:55:20 PM PST

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    •  George Takei's open letter is worth a read~ (5+ / 0-)

      His post, "Raising Arizona" reads in part:

      The law is breathtaking in its scope. It gives bigotry against us gays and lesbians a powerful and unprecedented weapon. But your mean-spirited representatives and senators know this. They also know that it is going to be struck down eventually by the courts. But they passed it anyway, just to make their hateful opinion of us crystal clear.

      So let me make mine just as clear. If your Governor Jan Brewer signs this repugnant bill into law, make no mistake. We will not come. We will not spend. And we will urge everyone we know–from large corporations to small families on vacation–to boycott. Because you don’t deserve our dollars. Not one red cent.

      And maybe you just never learn. In 1989, you voted down recognition of the Martin Luther King holiday, and as a result, conventions and tourists boycotted the state, and the NFL moved the Superbowl to Pasadena. That was a $500 million mistake.

      So if our appeals to equality, fairness, and our basic right to live in a civil society without doors being slammed in our face for being who we are don’t move you, I’ll bet a big hit to your pocketbook and state coffers will.

      George Takei

      Information is power. But, like all power, there are those who want to keep it for themselves. Aaron Swartz

      by Lisa Lockwood on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 01:57:55 PM PST

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  •  there's a lot of water in that pic (4+ / 0-)

    I it is a dry heat.

  •  She's milking it. Hard. Term-limited (and career (6+ / 0-)

    limited, to be sure) Governor with just a short time left being a lame duck?

    Oh yeah.  "What can/will you do for me if I sign/veto this legislation?"


    Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
    I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
    —Spike Milligan

    by polecat on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 01:24:46 PM PST

  •  She's not gonna turn all that into whine, is she? (2+ / 0-)
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    by here4tehbeer on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 01:25:33 PM PST

  •  It's starting to seem like a bad movie.... (6+ / 0-)


    Feel free to copy and spread this around if you'd like!

    "When does the greed stop, we ask the other side? That's the question and that's the issue." - Senator Ted Kennedy

    by Fordmandalay on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 01:26:00 PM PST

  •  Anyone still care about 1070 ? (4+ / 0-)

    I'll be happy if this measure goes down in flames, but nobody seems to give a hoot about the "show me your papers" law that is still in effect.

    Yes the US Supremes overturned three of the 4 provisions, but the worst one, requiring people to show their papers for whatever stupid reason, is still in effect.

    "And, once again, the forces of niceness and goodness have triumphed over the forces of evil and rottenness." --Maxwell Smart

    by emobile on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 01:28:49 PM PST

    •  It needs a case with standing (1+ / 0-)
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      So it can be challenged, and hopefully, overturned.

      We were not ahead of our time, we led the way to our time.

      by i understand on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 02:32:56 PM PST

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      •  Not encouraging (1+ / 0-)
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        Thanks, I guess the idea is that one day it will get tested and shot down.   Enforcement agencies know it and they don't want to force the issue.  

        I don't like that, however, and was ready to make an issue about a conference I was slated to go to in Phoenix next month (although our group cancelled its participation for other reasons).

        I predict this SB 1062 will die a quick death, but 1070 is going to hang around like a Walking Dead zombie for a long time.

        "And, once again, the forces of niceness and goodness have triumphed over the forces of evil and rottenness." --Maxwell Smart

        by emobile on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 10:12:07 PM PST

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  •  She's taking so long to veto it because (1+ / 0-)
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    she's still on the phone with Limbaugh, spinning it as best she can, and begging him not to destroy her.

  •  Rush would have said the same things in 1954 (3+ / 0-)

    Like the rest of the bigots trying to sell this insane legislation.

    Their targets may have changed, but their rhetoric and hate hasn't changed even a tiny bit.

  •  Nothing bothers me more than when some "group" (4+ / 0-)

    decides that it is going demand the same rights that I  hold sacred - for myself. They should quit their bellyaching and quit bullying me to quit bullying them. - Summation of about 100 posts I read on Yahoo, etc.

    "You can die for Freedom, you just can't exercise it"

    by shmuelman on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 01:35:00 PM PST

  •  So Arizona lawmakers want it vetoed, but wasn't (6+ / 0-)

    it Arizona lawmakers who passed it in the first place?

    I know at least one of them is on the record as saying "I screwed up" and that he now wants the thing vetoed.

    And that's honorable.  Better than most politicians do --- the venerable "a mistake was made" by some disembodied presence.

    But -- still, those lawmakers had to pass this sucker.

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 01:36:00 PM PST

  •  The time Brewer is taking to veto this (3+ / 0-)
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    reminds me of the early days of mainframe computers. They put flashing lights on the consoles because it looked like the computer was "thinking". That made the customers happy.

    Voting is the means by which the public is distracted from the realities of power and its exercise.

    by Anne Elk on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 01:36:15 PM PST

  •  Jan's huddling with her top advisors right now (3+ / 0-)
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    Diana in NoVa, JeffW, drmah

    She's desperately hoping that Jack Daniels, Jim Beam, and Johnny Walker will tell her what to do.

    "When does the greed stop, we ask the other side? That's the question and that's the issue." - Senator Ted Kennedy

    by Fordmandalay on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 01:43:51 PM PST

  •  When ever this bullshit (2+ / 0-)
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    FindingMyVoice, msdrown

    raises it's ugly head again, I'm pulled back to 1992 and Colorado's ill-fated (and overturned) Amendment 2.

  •  Well. Veto or not, Arizona's already lost (9+ / 0-)

    My tourism dollars.   Guess what, I hold a grudge.

    Hard to have a government when one-third of your representatives are insane and the other two-thirds have been sold to the highest bidder.

    by Rikon Snow on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 01:48:54 PM PST

  •  These religious fanatics have given… (4+ / 0-)

    themselves away. They profess to be soooo religious that they cannot possibly, in good conscience, provide services to a homosexual, yet they have no qualms providing services to adulterers, polygamists (Colorado City, AZ ya’ll), etc.

    Their religion only goes so far, but their bigotry goes on and on.

    To the world you are one person. To one person, you are the world. They can have John Galt, I'll take Joe Hill..

    by p a roberson on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 01:49:30 PM PST

  •  This may be extreme... but... (3+ / 0-)
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    I think that Gov. Brewer needs to sign the bill and force the legislature to repeal it. Then she should veto the repeal legislation and make them over-ride her veto.

  •  She's waiting a few days. (0+ / 0-)

    Today, she comes home from an RGA meeting. Tomorrow she will here all sides, and make a final decision on Thursday or Friday.

    NOM is encouraging her to sign the bill, of course:

    This doesn't directly affect marriage, which is in theory the only focus of the group (in addition to vilifying LGBT people at every other turn).

  •  you'd think that... (1+ / 0-)
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    once, just by random chance, Rush would maybe once fall on the less offensive side of some issue.

    Unless of course, he purposefully and painstakingly chooses the more offensive side of any issue, whatever he personally thinks or not.

    It's totally door #2.

    "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

    by JackND on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 01:56:40 PM PST

    •  A friend once said to me (0+ / 0-)

      that she doesn't think Limbaugh believes much of his own rhetoric, that he's offensive simply because it enriches him to be offensive, and that, therefore, he actually wasn't the villain the left makes him out to be.  I say that's bullshit.  The man has been wealthy beyond belief for decades, and he got that way from being a philistine, a true believer in reactionary politics, and an insufferable, insistent loudmouth.

  •  What's with all the water? (1+ / 0-)
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    Is Jan running a Niagara distributorship on the side?

  •  God, I hope she gets around to it soon. (1+ / 0-)
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    I've been living here in AZ for about 4-8 years (depending on whether you count the years when I was going to college here but spending summers and holidays with my parents). I've gotten used to a lot of it, even some aspects of the weather. (I'm not fond of the heat, but at least I can wait until triple digits before I start complaining out loud. When I first moved here, I considered high 80s to be nearly unbearably warm. No, I'm not sure why I stuck around either, but here I am.) I don't feel a fierce personal attachment to it, but I'm sufficiently settled that I don't want to just up and move. But man, am I ever sick of the things our elected officials do to make the state look bad!

    I mean, Sheriff Joe? John McCain? "Papers Please"? This shit? AZ's already a political laughingstock in so many ways. Since my group of friends and my immediate surroundings tend to be on the blue side of things, I sometimes allow myself to think that the politics here aren't as bad as they're made out to be, at least not in the urban areas. (This is, in many ways, an illusion. I'm aware of this, but we all have our foma that get us through the day.) But then something like this happens and I'm forced to acknowledge that no, my alleged representatives are, in fact, like that.

    I doubt I'll live here for the rest of my life, but I'd really rather prefer to be called away to something good than driven away by something bad, you know?

    Always follow the money.

    by Zaq on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 02:07:20 PM PST

  •  How long before Rush, et. al, (0+ / 0-)

    ...start classifying Martin Luther King Jr as a "bully" ???

    Look at how he threatened and intimidated Bull Connor and the cops!! All they had were fire hoses and german shepards and he was out there pushing them around like nobody's business! And JFK and LBJ never did a THING about it!!

    Message to Dems: We HAVE to start showing up for Midterms.

    by Jank2112 on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 02:30:06 PM PST

  •  I'm not one to harsh on a diary title... (0+ / 0-)

    ....and I'm not a fan of overly long diary titles, but how totally on-point would it be if the diary title were: "Poll: Arizona Republicans want Brewer to veto Republican-created and Republican-passed anti-gay bill."

    I'm looking at the bigger picture here with this issue: what group will be targeted next by AZ Republicans? They tried (and eventually failed) to tie Latinos to the whipping post with SB1070, and they will fail with this anti-LGBT bill. The AZ Republicans did not learn their lesson with SB1070, so I'm not convinced they'll learn anything from the current bill.  So, who's next to be foisted up by the Republicans in Arizona as the cause of all their problems?  It's anyone's guess, but if I were a young, pregnant woman in AZ, I might wonder if someday I'll have a GOP bullseye on me.

    Failure to Publicize Acts of Hatred Only Allows Them to Fester and Metastasize.

    by BoxerDave on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 02:33:51 PM PST

  •  What is going on (0+ / 0-)

    with that photo?!  Are they expecting Marco "These Lies are Makin' Me Thirsty" Rubio to show up at their hate-fest?

  •  They haven't changed their mind.... (1+ / 0-)
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    ... they just thought they wouldn't get pushback, and caved when the big-money corporate guys got pissed that this might cut into their profits.  Also, it's possible they knew this was very unpopular, but now they can tell their base that they voted for it, but "the pressure got to the goveror, can't be helped, not my fault, wadda ya gonna do?"

    If Brewer thought it was a bad bill, she would have vetoed it the miniute it hit her desk.  She's waiting to see which side is offering her more/threatening her the most.  She's like so many GOP congresscritters - serving in Congress is just a job interview for a cushy lobbying job afterwards.

    In other words, she's a coward and a bigot.  It has nothing to do with doing right by the citizens she's supposed to take care of.

    (aka NobleExperiments). ‎"Those who make a peaceful revolution impossible make a violent revolution inevitable" ~ John F. Kennedy

    by smrichmond on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 03:03:13 PM PST

  •  the gay agenda (0+ / 0-)

    in the Dominican Republic, however, should proceed apace.  Sez Rush (allegedly).

    the best lack all conviction while the worst are full of passionate intensity

    by mailman27 on Tue Feb 25, 2014 at 03:10:11 PM PST

  •  By the time I get to Phoenix..... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...I'll be turning around.

    So Arizona has passed a law legalizing discrimination based on religious belief. Your religion allows you to discriminate against someone of a different sexual discrimination, skin color or religious affiliation or lack thereof.

    Isn't that called Sharia Law?

  •  lol, at this point (0+ / 0-)

    I almost want Miss Bony Finger to sign this bill or, at the very least, allow it to pass into law.

    There would be the very very very very very very very obvious proof of animus which some say does not exist.

    And the courts will shoot it down so quickly.

  •  Vetoing this bill is a no-brainer... (0+ / 0-)

    ..., in other words, it is ready made for Jan Brewer.  She is not what you would call a deep thinker.  

    Her drawn-out silence is the standard way of building up some positive national attention, which is not the sort of attention she has become used to.

    And the dopes who voted in favor of this abomination of a bill -- they will no doubt get re-elected by those who think they are so brave to stand up to the wave of modernism that is afflicting the country.  To lick their wounds over the veto of this bill, they will come up with some new gun legislation that gives people who shouldn't own weapons the right to use/carry them someplace where no normal person would ever think to bring one.  Mark my words.

    In short, we have a preponderance of right-wing imbeciles in this state.

  •  I don't think it's the activists in the streets (0+ / 0-)

    who are giving Brewer pause or who made those legislators who originally voted for the bill change their minds. I only wish that were the case.

    It's because of the business community.  If some reports I heard are right, these businesses wouldn't have the ability to fire an employee who refuses to do his job if a specific request or action violates his religious freedom. The GOP never likes government regulation, and a law like this would essentially tie a business' hands since religious beliefs would trump company policy.  

    That is why she is going to veto it, along with the fact that she's term limited.  No real consequence to her unless she plans to seek higher office.

  •  money talks (1+ / 0-)
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    Who knew?  

    It's too bad other victims of Arizona hate law don't have American Airlines, and Apple, and the Super Bowl in their corner.

    Borowitz:"Arizona Confronting Awkward Realization that Gay People Have Money, Buy Stuff":

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