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New Jersey Governor Chris Christie gives a news conference in Trenton January 9, 2014.  Christie on Thursday fired a top aide at the center of a brewing scandal that public officials orchestrated a massive traffic snarl on the busy George Washington Bridg
These guys are so freaking funny I can barely restrain myself:
The private messages that linked Governor Christie’s office to lane closures at the George Washington Bridge also contain jokes about causing “traffic problems” at the home of a New Jersey rabbi associated with the Port Authority, newly released documents show. [...] [Former Christie Port Authority aide David] Wildstein sent [former Christie deputy chief of staff Bridget Anne] Kelly a picture of Rabbi Mendy Carlebach, later writing: “And he has officially pissed me off.”

“Clearly,” Kelly responded on Aug. 19.

“We cannot cause traffic problems in front of his house, can we?” Kelly wrote.

“Flights to Tel Aviv all mysteriously delayed,” wrote Wildstein, an executive at the bi-state agency that controls the region’s airports.

“Perfect,” Kelly wrote.

It's not entirely clear what motivated the texts. Rabbi Carlebach appears to be a Republican; the photograph sent by Wildstein featured Carlebach and House Speaker John Boehner, and the rabbi delivered prayers at both the 2004 and 2008 Republican National Conventions.

Whatever the motivation, however, the texts underscore the fact that senior officials of the Christie administration viewed their ability to cause "traffic problems" as a source of power and influence. Even if you believe that Chris Christie was somehow unaware that he had such terrible people working for him, at a minimum it still leaves the question unanswered: How on Earth could he be so clueless about what his administration was up to?

Personally, I find it impossible to believe that Christie had no idea what was going on. These emails suggest that bullying was at the core of the culture in Christie's office, which isn't surprising given his approach to human interaction. And let's not forget that the press started asking questions about the lane closures in September—it wasn't until January, after weeks of denying complicity—that Christie finally conceded that his administration had been up to no good. In those intervening months, Christie did nothing to investigate what had happened, even though it was obviously that this wasn't an issue that wouldn't disappear without a full accounting of what transpired. And the most logical explanation for his lack of investigation is simple: He already knew.

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    •  Even the Bush League didn't leave papertrails (13+ / 0-)

      that lead directly to their office.

      A great takeaway from Christie is the arrogance trumps basic common sense in communications that are easily and readily recorded.

      These weren't conversations in front of fountain, these were emails texts on government owned property. The people's property!

      Even Gorden Liddy couldn't cover up all papertrails left daily by the Christie administration.

      Contrary to popular belief, zombies are quite intelligent and excel in anagrams.

      by Patience John on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 08:55:12 AM PST

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      •  or using private accounts (6+ / 0-)

        Bridge used gmail.  She thought it was private?  

      •  Great at the crime, Rotten at the cover-up (8+ / 0-)

        Christie's aparatus didn't seem to ever consider that they needed to exercise more than basic 6th grader level in covering their tracks.  Because they forgot the most important rule of the Christie operation:  

        Loyalty only Flows One Way -- to Christie.  
        We would not know most of this, we would still be in a blind alley, were it not for David Wildstein's curiously unredacted "gmail" account email from Bridget Kelly:
        "Time for some traffic problems in Ft Lee"

        Without this smoking gun, we would not have easily, if at all, found out about Sandy funds, Samson non-recusals, PAPBA activities, and all the lies.  

        Why did Wildstein do this?  Chris Christie could have taken the hit for Bridget Kelly and David Wildstein, he could not have called them "Liars" on tv, he could have chosen not to publicly mock David Wildstein as a High School nothing, he could have paid for their defense costs through the PA, but he's shown ZERO loyalty to his subordinates.   It's the measure of a man.  

        "Out of Many, One Nation." This is the great promise of the United States of America -9.75 -6.87

        by Uncle Moji on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 09:37:06 AM PST

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        •  David knew Christie from high school (3+ / 0-)
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          he'd taken his measure, and he not only used email, he was the first to crack jokes and be indiscreet, called 'priming the pump,' to encourage the others to be indiscreet on the record too.

          He's a wily Wildstein.

          •  Kornacki & Brian Murphy both stress Wildstein (7+ / 0-)

            was absolutely loyal to his subordinates.  He went to the mat for them, if there was a question, he sided with his staff.  He protected them, he took the hits for them.

            If this is who Wildstein is, he would have expected his boss to show the same level of loyalty to his staff.  It would be the honorable thing for a boss to do.  

            I agree that Wildstein's views were tempered by his actual experience with Christie in High School, when Christie was still raw and unpolished.  So I agree that he kept paper as protection (apparently a habit he has always had) against betrayal.  But I think even he was surprised by the emphatic public mocking and betrayal of him by the Governor, a man he helped into public office, and a man whose former campaign manager's career was nurtured and aided by Wildstein - Bill Stepian.

            The revenge of Urkel.

            "Out of Many, One Nation." This is the great promise of the United States of America -9.75 -6.87

            by Uncle Moji on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 10:11:12 AM PST

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            •  I don't think so (0+ / 0-)

              he knew Christie pretty well, the guy gave him 'tips' when he was Wally Edge.  I think he went to work for him as a career move, and when he was asked to close the lanes, he knew it wasn't that smart, he joked about taking empty boxes to work.  He had been critical of many who threw their subordinates over, and Christie already had that reputation, on the education proposal that Jersey lost out on?  

        •  So true (1+ / 0-)
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          Christie expects complete loyality but doesn't return it.  I think Wildstein knows this now and if he's given immunity will sing louder than a mocking bird.  Christie is toast and I'm sure deep down the RNC knows this but won't admit it.  

          Never be afraid to voice your opinion and fight for it . Corporations aren't people, they're Republicans (Rev Al Sharpton 10/7/2011) Voting is a louder voice than a bullhorn but sometimes you need that bullhorn to retain your vote.

          by Rosalie907 on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 11:38:01 AM PST

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    •  I have to say something here (0+ / 0-)

      Off topic.
      I have 2 grandsons. They really are great kids despite the problems they have faced. Divorce, fathers death.
      But I live with a fact that makes me cry every time I think about it.
      I cry for them. Seriously.
      Climate change is not just warmer temperatures. It is UNSTABLE CLIMATE. Not just in America but all over the world.
      China is putting 2 coal fired plants, online, every month. They won't stop. There is a satellite picture online that shows a massive cloud of smog over China and then some.
      South American farmers are cutting down trees to grow crops. There are only enough nutrients in each cut to get 1 maybe 2 crops from each cut. Then they have to cut down more trees. The end of the lungs of the earth?
      The perma-frost up north is melting. It is releasing methane into the atmosphere. Methane is a much stronger greenhouse gas than simple carbon. I read in Science where they carbon dated some moss that had melted. It was at least 44,000 yrs. old.
      The latest tests said that the atmospheric ppm of carbon had reached 400.
      A couple of years ago Science Daily had an article that said if the millions of tons of methane lie buried in the bottom of the oceans started to melt atmospheric temperatures could rise to 1200 degrees.
      That is called a mass extinction event. Of us.
      Have another cup of coffee.

  •  I really appreciate these updates on (28+ / 0-)

    the Christiegate. So far, we haven't found the bottom of this cesspit. I hope the story stays on the radar and if Christie was involved, he should pay the consequences.

    KOS: "Mocking partisans focusing on elections? Even less reason to be on Daily Kos."

    by fcvaguy on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 08:25:36 AM PST

  •  What (9+ / 0-)

    What's with hating the Jews. Really at this period I have now clue with what is wrong with my species. I cant wrap my head around peoples hate of this class of people or religion. What is wrong with us. I thought we were evolving to a higher level that is worth moving into space. This just makes us righteous for extinction

    "help police" Catch-22 Joseph Heller 1961

    by rageagnstmach on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 08:27:45 AM PST

  •  Another proud Christie moment. n/t (13+ / 0-)

    I'm not always political, but when I am I vote Democratic. Stay Democratic, my friends. -The Most Interesting Man in the World

    by boran2 on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 08:29:24 AM PST

  •  With all his influence you'd think the Rabbi could (7+ / 0-)

    have had the Hudson River parted ....

    The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

    by accumbens on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 08:31:18 AM PST

    •  Or Christie could just jump off the GWB (8+ / 0-)

      That ought to clear up a wide path. Then again, the resulting tsunami could level half of Hoboken and parts of Jersey City...

      "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

      by kovie on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 08:40:00 AM PST

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      •  But then there's all that unspent Sandy money. (1+ / 0-)
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        The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

        by accumbens on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 08:49:10 AM PST

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      •  Is that a fat joke ? (5+ / 0-)

        Sure reads like a fat joke .
        You know what sort of people make fat jokes ?

        "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

        by indycam on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 08:51:02 AM PST

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        •  Technically, it's a Christie fat joke (3+ / 0-)
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          My "broadest" apologies if you're offended...

          "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

          by kovie on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 08:54:41 AM PST

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          •  So it was a fat joke . (5+ / 0-)
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            SpamNunn, Tamar, Batya the Toon, askew, JVolvo

            Its not a matter of me being offended ,
            its a matter of noticing the offensiveness .

            Do you understand the offensiveness of fat jokes ?
            Do you care that they are offensive ?
            Or do you just not care ?

            "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

            by indycam on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 08:59:50 AM PST

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          •  Christie fat jokes (10+ / 0-)

            are like Palin chick jokes.  The logic behind them goes:  "Since this is a despicable person, it's okay to mock this particular trait about them."  It says that you think the trait is worthy of being mocked, but you'll only actually mock it when the person who has it is a bad enough person.

            When you do that, though, you are also mocking everybody else who shares that trait.  Whether you intend to or not.

            •  Palin can't help being female (2+ / 0-)
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              (unless, of course, she has an operation, but that's neither here nor there), which in any case there's nothing wrong with. Christie can help being morbidly obese. If you can't tell the difference or refuse to acknowledge it, that's not my problem. We're not talking about the average 20lbs overweight issue that many if not most of us struggle with in our middle years. We're talking a guy who literally weighs around twice what a healthy person should weigh for his height and build. I don't usually make fun of a person's weight or other flaws, whether they can do something about it or not, and especially if they can't. In fact I almost never do, except about myself, or in obvious jest. But when it comes to bottom-feeding assbags like Christie, I can and will make fun of his weight, personality and any other trait or flaw that I can link to his utter lack of character and self-control. If that offends you, move on.

              "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

              by kovie on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 09:32:10 AM PST

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              •  Do you think it's helpful... (3+ / 0-)
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                Batya the Toon, askew, JVolvo

       the Democratic Party or the progressive movement to be associated with a culture where fat people are mocked for their appearance?  Don't you want fat people to vote for our candidates?  Because if they don't, we lose.  Look at our nation's obesity statistics.

                •  I don't think it has the slightest bit to do (0+ / 0-)

                  with Dem prospects either way, as in ZERO effect one way or another. This is right up there with calls to tone down attacks on Repubs in general lest Bill O'Reilly call us libs meanies. It has ZERO electoral impact.

                  "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

                  by kovie on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 11:04:51 AM PST

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                •  My nephew Mark (2+ / 0-)
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                  Was overweight at an early age and it's gotten worse.  He's 25 nice looking but weighs 420 lbs.  He's lost weight but then put it back on.  We've been talking to him about surgery so that he can lose weight but he's been afraid.  I have a cousin who's the same way but she finally went for the surgery and (thank God) is now half her size and feeling 100% better.  Mark has spoken with her (plus 2 relatives who are Doctors)  and has just started the process for the surgery.  It will take about 6 months before he actually has the surgery but he's strong and we love him and will support him.  You don't know how difficult it's been, for my sister, brother-in-law and his 2 brothers and sister trying to talk to him.  He's had several appointments that he cancelled before he finally went to see his Doctor.  Please know that most people don't want to be grossly overweight (TLC has a program on this) and try constantly to lose weight but find it difficult to do this.  

                  Never be afraid to voice your opinion and fight for it . Corporations aren't people, they're Republicans (Rev Al Sharpton 10/7/2011) Voting is a louder voice than a bullhorn but sometimes you need that bullhorn to retain your vote.

                  by Rosalie907 on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 11:57:12 AM PST

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              •  Contemptible, hateful, and cruel. (2+ / 0-)
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                And full of the same tired old bullshit stereotypes about fat people.  Justified by Chris Christie being a terrible person, and completely ignoring the fact that he is not the only one you're insulting.

                Be ashamed of yourself.

                •  Nope, not in the slightest (0+ / 0-)

                  Nothing to be or feel ashamed about IMO. If you associate yourself with Christie then shame on YOU.

                  "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

                  by kovie on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 11:05:46 AM PST

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                  •  Do you seriously not see the difference (1+ / 0-)
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                    Bill W

                    between defending Chris Christie and calling out the means by which you have chosen to insult him?  And thereby, because you still don't seem to have gotten this, chosen to insult everybody else who shares that trait with him?

                    •  If you choose to see something in common (0+ / 0-)

                      with Christie, then that's your cross to bear.

                      "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

                      by kovie on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 03:40:02 PM PST

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                      •  And if someone directs... (2+ / 0-)
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                        Batya the Toon, Geardup

                        ...a racist slur at Clarence Thomas, or an anti-Semitic slur at Joe Lieberman, we should remain silent because we're afraid of being associated with them?  
                        Sorry, but this ACLU member got over that fear a long time ago.

                        •  Because making a fat joke (0+ / 0-)

                          is EXACTLY the same thing as making a racist or anti-semitic joke!

                          Thanks, you just proved my point.

                          There's nothing wrong with being black, Jewish, gay, etc.--and even if there was, there's not much most people can do about it. There IS something wrong with being mordibly obese, and most people CAN do something about it.

                          Just ask Al Roker or my former congressman Jerrold Nadler (ironically, one black and the other Jewish, which had nothing to do with their former obesity).

                          "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

                          by kovie on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 05:06:30 PM PST

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                          •  Alright... (0+ / 0-)

                   don't get it. Never mind.

                          •  Not a protected class (0+ / 0-)

                            Not gonna treat them like one.

                            "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

                            by kovie on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 07:36:16 PM PST

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                          •  So you're just going with "unashamed fat-hater." (0+ / 0-)

                            Okay, good to know.

                          •  Nope (0+ / 0-)

                            Not even close. You're the only hater here.

                            "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

                            by kovie on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 07:36:00 PM PST

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                          •  I invite you to look up the recent studies (0+ / 0-)

                            regarding the measurable societal effects of fat-shaming.

                            Insulting fat people for being fat causes not just pain, which you've stated flatly that you don't care about, but actual quantifiable harm to physical and mental health.

                            If you don't care about that either, by all means, carry on.

                          •  So calling one asshole fat (0+ / 0-)

                            is insulting the entire population of overweight people?

                            Do you ever ask yourself is maybe you're devoting way too much energy at worrying about what other people think? It's a cliche, but only you can make yourself feel bad, not me or anyone else. Try using that power.

                            Apologies for not having respect for people who don't respect themselves.

                            "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

                            by kovie on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 07:47:08 PM PST

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                          •  Aaaand you are in fact carrying on. (0+ / 0-)

                            Your argument that you're only insulting one fat asshole and not "the entire population" kind of loses its coherence when you end by classifying all fat people as lacking self-respect.  Just so you know.

                          •  I will admit (0+ / 0-)

                            that when I see a grossly overweight person in public I often think to myself "Don't they have any self-respect?"--especially if they're eating something they obviously shouldn't and don't need to. It bothers me that people could be this destructive to themselves. Of course, I keep this to myself.

                            Perhaps making fat jokes about a jerk like Christie is my way of venting these frustrations (I could stand to lose a few myself, although I'm WAY from being in Christie territory, so perhaps there's some projection going on there too) in what I view is one of the few remaining semi-socially acceptable ways.

                            Anyway, let's give this thread a rest and end it. You have your views and I have mine. Let's just move on.

                            "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

                            by kovie on Fri Feb 28, 2014 at 07:30:33 AM PST

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            •  I know (0+ / 0-)

              it seems more about gluttony, he eats everyone.  Somehow I don't think of myself, or anyone else, only him.  I'd like special dispensation to crack jokes about pizza's that fall off trucks?

            •'s different. (0+ / 0-)

              In this case, this trait goes to his character.

              If you hate government, don't run for office in that government.

              by Bensdad on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 10:08:24 AM PST

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              •  How does the trait go to his character (1+ / 0-)
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                without simultaneously going to the character of every single other fat person?

                •  Some people are just fat..... (2+ / 0-)
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                  kovie, Rosalie907

                  .....merely, incidentally fat. Christie's morbid obesity is the very expression of his resource-hogging, self-absorbed and self-indulgent, club-you-over-the-head-for-the-food-you-have-in-your-hand personality.

                  Let's say someone smokes cigars. Okay, fine. That same cigar in Christie's mouth would only add to the caricature that he himself has created: that of a fuck-you-I'm-taking-it-all-and-who-the-fuck-do-you-think-you-are personality that he has demonstrated in a thousand ways.  We would be right to make fun of a big fat cigar in this little man's face.

                  In a sense, his morbid obesity is just part of an overall picture of rapacious self-indulgence.  It is another way in which he communicates it. And it says everything about him.

                  If you hate government, don't run for office in that government.

                  by Bensdad on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 10:24:53 AM PST

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                •  People as morbidly obese as he is (0+ / 0-)

                  who don't have a medical or psychological condition that makes it impossible for them to lose weight don't have a character problem?

                  A majority of Americans are overweight (myself included, but I'm hardly in his category), and it's not just unappealing, but unhealthy, and costing them and society billions each year. Making being morbidly obese yet another one of those things that it's perfectly ok to be is part of WHY.

                  Are you ok with smoking, because character? Using excessive profanity or spitting, belching and farting in public? How about being a sexist, racist or gay basher, if you come from a background that encouraged that?

                  At what point DOES character even enter the equation?

                  "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

                  by kovie on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 11:11:11 AM PST

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                  •  They may have a problem...... (0+ / 0-)

                    ....but I don't regard it as one of character.  In some instances, character and its physical expression coincide. You can be morbidly obese but of good character. You might just be a little self-destructive or have other psychological defects or issues, or you might just have a genetic predisposition to hording food because your ancestors were deprived of it and they had to gorge when they could.

                    I guess my point is that if you are otherwise beloved, few are going to make fun of you for being fat. With Christie -- let's just say he has made himself a very large target.

                    If you hate government, don't run for office in that government.

                    by Bensdad on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 11:37:15 AM PST

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                    •  I didn't mean "deep" character (2+ / 0-)
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                      As in being a good person willing to help and sacrifice for others, being honest and ethical, etc. I meant the other more "shallow" kind of character, that has to do with self-respect and taking care of yourself. Sure, some people are genetically predisposed to being obese, and others have serious emotional issues that manifest themselves in obesity. But given how much more obese people are these days, I find it hard to believe that it's all due to these two things. I think that people have simply gotten fat and lazy in ways that they do have control over, but choose not to. If you're 100lbs or more overweight and you eat double bacon cheeseburgers more than very occasionally, then there's something wrong with you and you need to do something about it--for your own sake (but also for your family's and the society that will someday have to pay for your expensive medical treatment, unnecessarily). I simply will not play this crazy fake self-esteem PC game. No one should be ok with being this obese if they have some control over it but simply choose not to.

                      "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

                      by kovie on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 04:04:16 PM PST

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                    •  Btw same thing about smoking and drug (0+ / 0-)

                      and alcohol abuse, gambling, sex addiction, etc. Yes, these are addictions, diseases really, but that doesn't stop anyone from getting professional help in dealing with them. The decision whether to fix it yourself, and if that's not possible to get help in fixing it, comes down to character, I believe.

                      "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

                      by kovie on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 04:07:20 PM PST

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          •  Christie is hugely fat but that's not the joke. (5+ / 0-)

            It's that his self-indulgence, his self-centeredness, his resource-hogging ways, his contempt for anyone that has to gaze him are all expressed in his physicality. You simply cannot separate the spiritual blight from the physical bloat in this instance.

            This is not a commentary on fat people. Most Americans carry some extra weight and some carry a LOT of it -- few, thankfully, are as morbidly obese as Christie. It's not about the weight.  No one is going to make fun of Aretha for being big. That's because she is a big person on the inside, too. Christie is a very small person in a huge body that screams "I want to have my cake and your cake and eat it, too". His obesity is the very expression of the Republican philosophy -- swallow every resource until they are all gone.

            Aretha's bigness just says "I can fill this room and blow the doors off the back of it." Fat can be beautiful ---Rubens anyone?

            Not all fat people are the same. Most are actually people. Christie is not. He, and his every little imperfection, are fair game.

            If you hate government, don't run for office in that government.

            by Bensdad on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 10:07:36 AM PST

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            •  Yep, pretty much (1+ / 0-)
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              People like Aretha have earned the right to have their less appealing qualities set aside and not made fun of. In fact it's not even about earning that right, but having it by being human. Christie gave up that right by being a rotten person who screwed over other people knowingly and deliberately and without good cause. Just as some people are above reproach, people like Christie are beneath it. Nearly everything is fair game with him.

              "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

              by kovie on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 11:14:29 AM PST

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    •  Jeez. And here I was worried about getting flack (0+ / 0-)

      for making fun of a Rabbi with a biblical reference.  Anybody want to blast me?  A lightening bolt from heaven perhaps?  Maybe the rabbi is obese ... or handicapped ... ah, excuse me, challenged, in some way?  Why should kovie have all the fun?

      The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

      by accumbens on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 03:38:07 PM PST

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  •  Some quick points after reading the new info (24+ / 0-)

    First, on page 10, while Baroni and Wildstein are in full damage control mode, there is a question, "What did the general want?" For those who don't remember, "the general" is David Samson. So how closely involved was he in controlling the spin?

    Second, I think this highlights the prep on Baroni's testimony and the fact that he checked in with two attorneys from Christie's staff afterwards. How can Christie possibly claim he had no idea of the import/nature of the closures when HIS attorneys were giving feedback to Baroni? It's possible they just watched his testimony, knowing nothing about it, and then praised it, but Charlie McKenna has a reputation as a smart attorney. I tend to think he would have asked questions about the subject matter of Baroni's testimony if he was interested enough to watch it and offer advice.

    Lastly, there are several mentions of clandestine, quick meetings. I think the meat of the conspiracy was all said in person. Someone needs to give either Wildstein or Kelly immunity or start turning the screws on them to get them to talk.

    Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty. The obedient must be slaves.

    by CenPhx on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 08:32:08 AM PST

  •  no additional "smoking gun" needed... (21+ / 0-) additional proof is required to demonstrate that Chris Christie is eminently unqualified to be governor of New Jersey, least of all president of the U.S.

    Because there's already ample evidence to show, beyond any shadow of any doubt that Chris Christie is either abjectly corrupt and was in on everything from the beginning...or...he is truly one of the most incompetent beings to ever inhabit any governor's office.

    He's either corrupt or incompetent. Perhaps both.

    •  I beg to add a third possibility: lousy hirer. (2+ / 0-)
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      If Chris Christie is incompetent, it is deliberate on his part ... and that's worse! He knew these people who he hired or approved of their hiring and their placement.

      Any top official in a business with a track record of entrusting with power people like David Wildstein and Bridget Kelly - and probably several others now hunkering down in deep cover to save their souls - would be removed from office or officially neutered for a while ... and then removed.

      Complicity in corruption isn't required. Just vouching for these people, appointing them to positions very close to Himself and then trusting them to do things in his name. For that is what top staff and high-ranked appointees of agencies and departments do many times a day, day after day. People who receive missives from Kellys and Wildsteins, even if they outrank them in the hierarchy of government, are not likely to challenge Top Staff.

      Chris Christie has failed at leadership, people selection, supervision and, in the face of publicly evolving scandal, maintaining calculated ignorance until it could no longer be maintained.

      In a few words - if you believe Christie - he never asked about the four days of closures until long after the debacle affecting his constituents was public. That is way beyond incompetent. (That 's OJ after his trial, spending no visible time or effort finding his ex-wife's murderer.)

      2014 is HERE. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

      by TRPChicago on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 09:37:04 AM PST

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  •  missing moral compass (26+ / 0-)

    truly breathtaking to me that this was all a big joke to these goons.  

    Doing something bad is one thing, but not even showing the slightest shred of guilt and moreover thinking it's all funny is stunning.

    The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein

    by ERdoc in PA on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 08:33:27 AM PST

  •  Venality on the Hudson /nt (4+ / 0-)
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    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013 (@eState4Column5).

    by annieli on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 08:34:13 AM PST

  •  Christie will call any questioning about this (14+ / 0-)

    "getting hysterical".

    It will be great fun to watch the bluster over this one.

    If cats could blog, they wouldn't

    by crystal eyes on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 08:34:30 AM PST

  •  Well, there goes Christie's Jewish support (7+ / 0-)

    Hmm, time for some ethnic problems in the tristate area...

    Is it wrong that I'm smiling?

    "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

    by kovie on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 08:37:35 AM PST

    •  rabbi support (0+ / 0-)

      he never had Jewish support?

      •  I'm pretty sure he had Jewish support (1+ / 0-)
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        Despite our reputation as being liberal, us Jews represent a wide swath of the ideological and political spectrum and many of us, sadly, lean conservative and vote Republican. As with most other cultural or ethnic groups.

        "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

        by kovie on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 09:39:30 AM PST

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        •  well, maybe right wing Jews? (0+ / 0-)

          don't consider them, personally.

          •  What's "right wing"? (0+ / 0-)

            I've know people who are somewhat liberal or moderate on many issues but who vote Repub more than occasionally or at least are open to some of their ideas. I think that there's a continuum and that Jews like any other group straddle the middle, some right, some left, some a bit of both. Most of the former and many of the latter supported Christie. He's not your typical Repub that way (except, of course, he is, once you look beneath the surface, which centrists who bought into his BS are finding out, thus his plunging numbers).

            "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

            by kovie on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 11:01:18 AM PST

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  •  I suspect that this sort of "governance" is (12+ / 0-)

    On the uptick in the US.   I've always thought that the corruption in Washington pales in comparison to that in state and local governments.  Little ponds breed vicious fish.

    Hard to have a government when one-third of your representatives are insane and the other two-thirds have been sold to the highest bidder.

    by Rikon Snow on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 08:37:43 AM PST

  •  I just can't believe how dumb they were (9+ / 0-)

    I am pretty sure this goes on everywhere.  The sense of entitlement and power that these people get (Republicans and Dems, remember Blagoyevich?) is incalculable.  I'm sure this kind of discussion happens in every statehouse in the US.

    But, these guys were so stupid, and felt so bullet-proof, they wrote it all down!  They felt so secure in their positions that they thought nobody would ever find out.  No fear of consequences.

    What I can't understand is why they feel this way?  In this polarized political world, why would a popular republican administration in a really blue state, never imagine that there were a lot of Dems, their enemies, out there looking for ways to bring them down?  Never occurred to them?

    Did they really believe their own hype, that everybody in NJ either loved them or was deathly afraid of them?  Just don't get it.

  •  Why would a rabbi be (2+ / 0-)
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    "associated with the Port Authority?"  What skills would a rabbi have that would make any "association" likely?  It seems to me that they have no business in common.

    It's the Supreme Court, stupid!

    by Radiowalla on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 08:48:35 AM PST

  •  these emails remind me of the Walker emails (8+ / 0-)

    they sure think they are the cleverest people ever.

    what a little power does to a small mind is breathtaking.
    so ffing amused with themselves.

    im still hoping there is a last laugh in all this and soon.

  •  On his radio show (yesterday?) he kept (16+ / 0-)

    referring to the questions about what he knew and how he handled things as "hysteria."
    The guy asking him the questions was not at all hysterical -- very calm and rational.
    I have observed than when an arrogant person (often male) accuses someone (often female) with whom he is arguing of being "hysterical," it's a way of minimizing the issue and treating the questioner with both condescension and contempt. In this case it was 2 men, but the dynamic was the same. Obviously anyone who questions the great and powerful Christie is irrational!

    While Democrats work to get more people to vote, Republicans work to ensure those votes won't count.

    by Tamar on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 08:53:25 AM PST

    •  No shit - it gets old (10+ / 0-)

      Was told I seemed "distressed" after a recent meeting because I vocally disagreed with the strategy - WTF. I'm so over this crap.

    •  Origin of the words hysteria and hysteric (3+ / 0-)
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      From the Free Dictionary

      hysteric (hɪˈstɛrɪk)
      1. a hysterical person
      2. hysterical
      [C17: from Latin hystericus literally: of the womb, from Greek husterikos, from hustera the womb; from the belief that hysteria in women originated in disorders of the womb]

    •  I was enraged watching that interview (6+ / 0-)

      As usual, wanting to jump into the TV box and ask the right follow up questions.

      Christie kept defending himself by saying, well now we know, but back then, before the emails came out, why in the world would I have any reason to question my people or investigate?

      Miserable weak reporters, letting him off so easily.

      Christie, my dear, "back then" you were not just not investigating, you were actively mocking and dismissing all questions.  Many many around you were asking questions--you cannot act as if there were no reason in the world for anyone to suspect or question or look deeply.

      "What we now know" only came out because the NJ senate actively investigated.  

      For Christie to pretend that these questions are unfair Monday morning quarterbacking is one thing, that the reporter lets him get away with it makes my blood boil.

  •  Nationally unelectable. (1+ / 0-)
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    Uncle Moji

    The powder is overflowing the kegs at this point. He couldn't survive the primaries.

    •  Think "David Vitter"...... (1+ / 0-)
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      bobatkinson values guy who fucked a prostitute with his wife's name in the French Quarter and then said it was no one's business but his own. Running for Governor of Louisiana -- and he is going to win.

      If you hate government, don't run for office in that government.

      by Bensdad on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 10:12:25 AM PST

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      •  There is a huge difference (0+ / 0-)

        Regardless of the noises that come out of their mouths, there are many Louisianans who have a certain sympathy for libertines.

        Chris Christie is a libertine, but what he's being investigated for is not some victimless frolic. It's abuse of power, and it's graft, and it's meanness. People don't sympathize with bullies of any stripe, and his polled support among even Republican voters is in the septic tank.

        If by some miracle he winds up exonerated, I might eat my words, but that's just not going to happen.

  •  No Surprise (7+ / 0-)

    Casual racism and bigotry are controlling influences in New Jersey state government.

    To really understand where Christie is coming from, you have to understand that the state government solely exists to serve white and affluent suburban residents -- of which there are many and, indeed, they are very rich by national standards. (New Jersey is either #1 or #2 in the list of richest states year over year.)

    People who live in Newark or the urban areas adjacent to New York City and Philadelphia are considered racial or ethnic trash and are treated as such by the government.

    Literally, as trash.

    The result of this is that New Jersey continues to miss opportunities for economic development and starve potential economic engines like Newark and Jersey City of the resources that they need.

    Ft. Lee is part of the continuum of what the state government thinks of as "dark and dirty people."

    "I'll believe that corporations are people when I see Rick Perry execute one."

    by bink on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 08:54:21 AM PST

  •  Yesterday on Alex Wagner, (10+ / 0-)

    Chris Cillizza made an unfathomable prediction, saying the worst is over for Christie. All the leaks and info that could sink him were now through. Everything's out of the bag. The other guest (can't remember his name) was slightly aghast. He mentioned that if Wildstein and Kelly were forced to testify, who knows what they'll say, plus many new emails and texts are coming in daily.

    Chris Cillizza is right out of the Joe Scarsborough/Mika camp. Wave your hand dismissively. Nothing to see here, folks.

    Doubt kills more dreams than failure ever will

    by miracle11 on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 08:55:09 AM PST

    •  He's on Andrea now (5+ / 0-)

      kind of backtracking...pointing out that Chris Christie created a job for Wildstein, that he had enough trust and connection (that Christie denies, saying he played football and Wildstein didn't) to do that. Cillizza and Andrea agreeing that the culture of the office is all on Christie. Interesting.

    •  Chris is smart. He knows the NJ back story. (1+ / 0-)
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      David Wildstein was the mentor of Steve Kornacki when he ran PolitickerNJ.  He used to feed Steve stuff for his NJ Network show, which he used as a springboard to his DC career.  Wildstein is certain to still be feeding Steve anythjng he's got.  Where do you think he has been getting the stuff he has been using on Rachel Maddow's show?  From the inside.  

      If there were any more smoking guns, they would have been fed to Wildstein's buddy Kornacki by now.   I think Cilizza is right.  

      You can get to the top by heading for the bottom. - R. Lewis

      by SpamNunn on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 09:23:23 AM PST

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      •  Cilizza is right.... (1+ / 0-)
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        ....Wildstein has nothing worth getting immunity for. He has released all documents responsive to the requests and the only thing missing is his testimony.  There is absolutely nothing to link Christie to what happened other than the fact that every single person in charge of this belonged to Christie.

        Christie wouldn't be out and about running his mouth if there was any real danger here. There isn't.

        If you hate government, don't run for office in that government.

        by Bensdad on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 10:15:58 AM PST

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        •  C'est vrai. (0+ / 0-)
          Christie wouldn't be out and about running his mouth if there was any real danger here. There isn't.

          You can get to the top by heading for the bottom. - R. Lewis

          by SpamNunn on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 10:18:57 AM PST

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        •  He's hardly running his mouth (3+ / 0-)
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          When he went to the Republican Gov. Assoc. events he avoided the press and left early to attend his daughter's birthday. Since then he has participated in sanitized public appearances and in a radio setting where it is clear there is no desire on the part of the host to ask anything probing.

          On March 11th a judge will determine if Bridget Kelly and Stepien will be allowed to spurn legislative subpoenas. If they are not allowed to spurn subpoenas, we should at the very least learn who gave Kelly the order to contact Wildstein. Kelly had no operational authority. Christie admitted this in his first press conference after the release of the "time for some traffic problems" documents.

          Furthermore the question of the Baroni bogus "Ft. Lee Lanes" testimony has yet to be resolved. Chief among the questions Christie has never been asked: Why did he think Baroni and Wildstein were resigning in December? The documents could not be more clear about why they were resigning. It beggars belief to think that Christie accepted their resignations without realizing the link to the traffic lanes operation. Christie's own contemporaneous statements about why Baroni was resigning were very cautious and vague. Now that we know for sure why Baroni was resigning (didn't want to perjure himself before the legislature), and that the traffic study story was a concoction, it's vital that Christie explain why he thought they were resigning at the time.

          He's still up to his neck in this, wishful thinking notwithstanding.

          •  Yep. (1+ / 0-)
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            Can't believe some folks think there's nothing more to see and Christie has escaped this. Wait till the Feds investigation into Sandy funds becomes public.

            I have no doubt he's continue to bluster and stonewall, but Humpty Dumpty has had a great fall.

            "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues." Theodore Roosevelt.

            by StellaRay on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 11:10:43 AM PST

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          •  I would like to think you are right.... (2+ / 0-)
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            SpamNunn, a2nite

            ....but thinking Christie is up to his neck in this and proving it are two different things. Here is why I think you could be incorrect:

            1. These people will not provide documents. They have refused so far and, even if ordered, I doubt that destroying documents is beyond them -- these are the people that ordered that citizens be blocked from getting to work and school. They have had plenty of time to do cleanup on documents. They will appeal any order to provide documents and will not testify because they will take the fifth.
            2.  There is absolutely no documentary or oral evidence to indicate that Christie knew aforehand about the traffic problems.  Wildstein doesn't have this information because he was on the receiving end of orders from the Governor's office. Staffers in that office appear to have pretty scrupulously avoid cc'ing Christie on anything. The fact that they used Gmail tells you that were engaged in prophylactic measures to cover their tracks. I think his order was --do what you have to do but don't put anything in writing that includes me.
            3.Christie can never be asked why he thought Baroni and Wildstein were resigning. He hasn't been subpoenaed and the moment he is, constitutional crisis that must be resolved in the courts.

            While others sit around in a circle and suppose, the secret sits in the middle and knows. To get at Christie, someone other than Wildstein (who only knows so much) will have to break ranks. Not only are they not breaking ranks, they are getting tighter -- Nicole Crifo was JUST INSTALLED IN THE PORT AUTHORITY. Samson is still the Chair. The brazenness of this is breathtaking. Even more breathtaking is that they are getting away with it. The US Attorneys office is compromised by Christie loyalists. Christie knows what they know. The legislative committee has no enforcement powers.

            Christie will not just walk -- he will get stronger from this.

            If you hate government, don't run for office in that government.

            by Bensdad on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 11:30:24 AM PST

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            •  The people around him are so sure that he is (0+ / 0-)

              The One that they would literally take a bullet to protect him.  No one is breaking ranks.  Hell, even the lawyers representing the opposing teams here are all very tight.   This "scandal" is like an outbreak of shingles.   It's ugly and painful for a while while you wait it out, but then it goes away.   Meanwhile, people go on TV and point out that you have shingles and laugh at you until the joke gets old and the ratings tank, and they move on to the next big thing, like a George Zimmerman or, what was that lady's name in Florida who killed her kid and got off..................


              You can get to the top by heading for the bottom. - R. Lewis

              by SpamNunn on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 12:02:47 PM PST

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            •  Wildstein fought not to testify (0+ / 0-)

              and lost. Kelly and Stepien will lose too. Samson has indicated he will not fight the subpoenas, though it's unimaginable to me that he will risk self-incrimination. Drewniak and his wife, Kevin O'Dowd, Baroni, Phillip Kwon, "Nicole," all of these people have a date with the Committee in one form or another. The childhood friend, the cop who busts his balls about being Governor, that guy has been demonstrated to have horribly abused his power.

              All of this will be prelude for Christie to have to hand over documents from the period in question, even if there is a constitutional crisis attendant to compelling him to do so.

              None of this is over by a long shot.

    •  Cillizza is part of non-ironic hipster news class (10+ / 0-)

      He's in the Mark Halperin, Dana Milbank, Mike Allen, David Gregory class of "political reporters" who are cringe-worthy and embarrassing in their belief in themselves and their serious status as "objective journalists with access to power".  

      He has been so wrong on so many things, and like the others, has no ability to reflect on how often his "insights" are 180 degrees off, and that such kind of on the spot tv predictions are for Circus Clowns, not for serious journalists.  

      But, let's put a tab here, and gang email Cillizza about how he proclaimed Christie free from harm, after this continues to drag out and Christie loses any shot at 2016 and as an unnamed co-conspirator when the indictments come down.

      Like Halperin famously put all his eggs in the hero John McCain for President basket in 2008.  They are all the same.  Stupid, wrong, and still smug.  Ted Baxter did it better, but not by much.

      "Out of Many, One Nation." This is the great promise of the United States of America -9.75 -6.87

      by Uncle Moji on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 09:24:33 AM PST

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    •  Let's let the GOP nominate and lionize him. (0+ / 0-)

      If we're asking for the American people to support someone like Hillary Clinton in 2016, then we should all be thrilled that Christie is getting so much positive attention.

      Clinton stacks up very well against someone like Chris Christie.

      I like Marsha Blackburn on Facebook. Don't hate.

      by Benintn on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 09:49:04 AM PST

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    •  How could Cillizza say that? (1+ / 0-)
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      The Bridge scandal only shows how incompetent he is. The Sandy money mismanagement and shakedowns to benefit his cronies' land development deals (generously lining Samson's pockets, in particular) might be the worst yet.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by ssnbbr on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 11:05:18 AM PST

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  •  Gov CC is now a non entity (0+ / 0-)

    GOPers are sucha crazy mean bunch just how is it that they win elections statewide in states they have no business winning like Wisconsin , Pennsylvania and Colorado?

    Recent diaries here are painting a very dire picture for Senate this mid terms.

    Dems need to figure out how to get a turnout big enough to stem the tide.

  •  Also, most of America!! (4+ / 0-)
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    Personally, I find it impossible to believe that Christie had no idea what was going on.
    Ditto the rest of us.

    "Equal rights for gays." Yeah, it's just that simple.

    by planmeister on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 08:57:53 AM PST

  •  Using Govmt Power for Personal Revenge (2+ / 0-)
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    Isn't this the heart of government corruption?  To exact revenge or use to bribe?  For personal slights or ambitions?  Using not private money or power, but the public's money and power.

    What is amazing to me is how petty the level of detail and the willingness to abuse the awesome and might power of the government for the smallest slights.  

    The fish rots from the head down.

    This is Chris Christie's shop and the buck must stop with him.... or he's a coward and a corrupt politician with Zero Control over his subordinates.

    "Out of Many, One Nation." This is the great promise of the United States of America -9.75 -6.87

    by Uncle Moji on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 09:06:47 AM PST

    •  Evil Cheney, evil Nixon both did it; (1+ / 0-)
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      Evil John KKKasich & the rotten Rs in my state of OH are doing it to us.

      It's a feature of the evil rotten tyrannical Rethug mindset, not a bug.

      nosotros no somos estúpidos

      by a2nite on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 09:15:56 AM PST

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  •  These guys come off as dicks. (1+ / 0-)
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    I get little sense that there was something pragmatic about what they were doing - they just come off as being dicks.

  •  It's mostly clear that Wildstein is a douche. (2+ / 0-)
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    Bensdad, jayden

    A remora, feeding upon the scraps of power floating back from the gaping maw of the Great White Shark that was the source of his power.  

    Christie is pretty smart.  He would have to be a douche of the highest order, too, to have had knowledge of this.   If there is evidence, it has to be in what the Joint Committee has been reviewing.  When is John Wisniewski going to drop the other traffic cone?  Does one exist?  

    Come on, John, throw us a cone, before this story peters out.  

    You can get to the top by heading for the bottom. - R. Lewis

    by SpamNunn on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 09:12:21 AM PST

  •  "Christie did nothing to investigate" (7+ / 0-)

    Oh, not so, my friend!

    At least, according to one version of Christie's story, when the Foye email was leaked and reported in the Times (Oct 15, iirc?), Christie says he dispatched his trusty truth-finders, O'Dowd and Charlie the Counsel, to the PA to find out what was what.  Trusty truth finders reported that all was well.

    I cannot wait for some reporter (or better, prosecutor) to push that story with some real questions:

    So, upon learning of Foye's email--suggesting something seriously wrong may be going on over at the PA--you dispatched your tough investigators to the PA.  Awesome!  And of course, Foye's email being the revelation that lead you to look into the matter, your investigators interviewed Foye.  Right?  Right?

    No, they only talked to Baroni and Wildstein?  And you found that satisfactory?  You, the former tough-ass US attorney?

  •  Christie was just being fiscally responsible. (3+ / 0-)
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    Why waste taxpayer's money to investigate something that he already knew?

    Enough is enough! I have had it with these motherfu*king snows on this motherfu*king plain!

    by shoeless on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 09:22:46 AM PST

  •  Well that certainly is a smoking gun (1+ / 0-)
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    At least for Bridge-it and Wildstein. To have her talking about "causing" traffic problems three weeks before it happened is all that needs to be said.

    Christie himself said that traffic problems do not arise to the level of the governor's office. He's going to have a lot of trouble convincing people that he had no knowledge of this. The only way to catch him though might be to get him under oath, because I highly doubt he left a paper trail.

    Money should be treated like any other controlled substance; if you can't use it responsibly then you don't get to use it.

    by La Gitane on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 09:43:07 AM PST

  •  Is it wrong (4+ / 0-)

    That I couldn't resist making this?

    Investigate the Bush years.

    by byebyeblinkie on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 09:44:44 AM PST

  •  As long as the RGA keeps raising record sums (2+ / 0-)
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    no one on the GOP side seems interested in holding Christie accountable.

    I like Marsha Blackburn on Facebook. Don't hate.

    by Benintn on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 09:47:16 AM PST

  •  Isn't Wildstein Jewish? (1+ / 0-)
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    He's going to get a call from his mother. Oy.

    The thing about quotes on the internet is you cannot confirm their validity. ~Abraham Lincoln

    by raboof on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 10:00:48 AM PST

  •  There is no way in hell (0+ / 0-)

    Christie didn't know about the lane closurers and this will come out as soon as someone (anyone) of those involved in Bridgegate realizes that they really can go to jail for what they did.  Christie et al can't protect all of them and unless someone wants to take the fall for this pig they'll talk.  

    Never be afraid to voice your opinion and fight for it . Corporations aren't people, they're Republicans (Rev Al Sharpton 10/7/2011) Voting is a louder voice than a bullhorn but sometimes you need that bullhorn to retain your vote.

    by Rosalie907 on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 11:06:33 AM PST

  •  Can't wait (0+ / 0-)

    For the trial and the sentences to be handed down.

    "I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness," Allen Ginsberg

    by Hermenutic on Thu Feb 27, 2014 at 11:40:09 AM PST

  •  Causing traffic problems for a rabbi? (0+ / 0-)

    That's definitely not kosher!

  •  Kelly's Father Bemoans His Choice of Name for Her (0+ / 0-)

    Ms. Kelly's father was overheard moaning, "I never should have named her Bridge It!"  www.BestPuns.Com

  •  Chris Christie (0+ / 0-)

    Really WAS manning the cones on the bridge, that he joked about.  He was in total control, I think.
    He caused a lot of real grief, and should be held accountable

  •  christie has been a bull(y)frog in a pond, who (0+ / 0-)

    surrounded himself with like-minded toadies.  The spotlight is on them now and they're all hopping around to avoid being gigged.

  •  Bottom Line: (0+ / 0-)

    Despicable acts by depraved people.

    Whatever your administration does, no matter how large or small, no matter whether the lowliest or the highest on the org chart, the "owner" of that administration is RESPONSIBLE.

    I learned this from the Republicans. All you need to do is look at what they have blamed Obama for in the past 5 years. Obama has been harshly blamed just for being in the general vicinity of things which have happened.

    The GWB Scandal and the Hurricane Sandy Relief Funds Scandal have Christie's name and face ALL OVER THEM. His TOP PEOPLE are intimately involved.

    If, by some improbable and incredible set of unbelievable circumstances, Christie really did not know about these things, then he is not even qualified to be a big fat pile of scrap meat used for HOG FEED, much less Governor of New Jersy (except for the corruption part).

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