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The concept of Hell, in one form or another, is likely as old as boogie-men, and served (serves) the same purpose: something to scare rubes and children with. Worked on me until I was about 9.

I understand that we are supposed to be "better", and extend compassion even to those we disagree with, or even detest. Ya'll go ahead and be better folks for me.

Today, I wish I believed in Hell so I could fantasize about Fred Phelps burning there.


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  •  Urinal/Spittoon (8+ / 0-)

    Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.

    by The Baculum King on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 01:09:09 PM PDT

  •  I don't want him to burn . (4+ / 0-)

    I want him to stand forevermore holding an idiotic sign .

    "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

    by indycam on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 01:20:58 PM PDT

  •  Well, maybe there IS a hell: (1+ / 0-)
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    You might know the old joke:

    A skeptic, or maybe a Unitarian-Universalist, says to the Baptist preacher: There IS no hell.

    The preacher says: The hell there ain't!

    Now, when I first heard this decades ago, it was person 1 saying,"There ain't no hell," Person 2 saying "The hell there aint!"

    But no UU that I know would say ain't, so I edited it a bit. ;)

    Being the single intellectual in a village of 1,100 souls ain't much fun, especially when 1,099 of those don't think you're all that smart.--Lucy Marsden

    by Miniaussiefan on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 02:05:00 PM PDT

  •  There is hell (3+ / 0-)
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    FarWestGirl, TRsCousin, Paragryne

    Hell is when you paint yourself into a corner and see no way out.

    In my understanding of Buddhist philosophy, beings arise as a result of a mistaken conception of the universe, and act, and those actions have consequences. At bottom, all beings are connected, and the infliction of harm on others has consequences. So does repeatedly drinking the poisons of greed, anger and delusion.

    So at some point Fred Phelps turned into a miserable, angry, impotent old man, lashing out at others. He was experiencing Hell BEFORE he died.

    It is also a Buddhist saying that the kindest Kanzeon (personification of mercy) is in Hell. At any point, you can stop, see reality for what it is, live a principled life, and try to make amends. If amends means letting your victims tear you to shreds, it is OK.

    •  I agree--Phelps created his own hell of anger (2+ / 0-)
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      third Party please, Paragryne

      and misery and disconnection from humanity while he was still alive.
      My idea of what hell would be, if there were such a thing, which I doubt--is like Dickens' portrayal of the ghosts Jacob Marley showed to Scrooge:
      Spirits who see and understand the evil deeds they did, and see the suffering they caused or did nothing to ameliorate, but are totally powerless to change or to intervene in, even though they now recognize that compassion is the most important thing.
      Constantly. For eternity.
      Or like the Seventh-Day Adventist idea of being cast out:
      Imagine Phelps standing forever outside of the circle of all those included in the eternal love of God (or the universe, if you view it in a secular way). Ignored, totally isolated, no possibility of being allowed in.
      Forever. For eternity.
      Oh, what an awful end Phelps created for himself.

  •  You're looking out for his thermal well-being. (1+ / 0-)
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    Nothing wrong with that.

    "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win". Mohandas K. Gandhi

    by DaveinBremerton on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 02:26:32 PM PDT

  •  I think, maybe, just being Fred Phelps was enough (2+ / 0-)
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    david78209, TRsCousin

    punishment for any lifetime.

    Never promote men who seek after a state-established religion; it is spiritual tyranny--the worst of despotism. It is turnpiking the way to heaven by human law, in order to establish ministerial gates to collect toll. John Leland

    by J Edward on Fri Mar 21, 2014 at 06:22:55 PM PDT

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