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Shots ring out as camper turns away

The illegal camper shot by Albuquerque police this week was turning away from officers when they fired at him, according to video released by Chief Gorden Eden on Friday.

The shots come after a confrontation in which the man, identified as 38-year-old James Boyd, tells police he’s going to walk down the mountain with them.

“Don’t change up the agreement,” Boyd says. “I’m going to try to walk with you.”

He tells officers he’s not a murderer.

Boyd picks up his belongings and appears ready to walk down toward officers. An officer fires a flash-bang device, which disorients Boyd.

Boyd appears to pull out knives in both hands as an officer with a dog approaches him. He makes a threatening motion toward the officer, then starts to turn around away from police.

That’s when shots ring out, and Boyd hits the ground. Blood can be seen on the rocks behind him.

This comes from the Albuquerque PD press conference.
– Chief Eden said APD has interviewed 40 witnesses so far, and that the suspect was sleeping as officers approached.
– Chief Eden said the suspect continued to rant after a crisis-intervention officer arrived. The suspect tells officers he’s an agent of the Department of Defense.
- Eden said the man made a threatening move toward an officer, and that’s what triggered the shooting. The shooting was justified, Eden said.

– Two officers fired shots, the chief says.

Naturally the Albuquerque Police Department claims that what looks like a near execution was necessary to protect its officers. First Police startled and disoriented Boyd by shooting a flash-bang at him when he seemed to be trying to comply with police requests and trying to reassure the police he didn't pose a threat.  The moment when he was fatally shot Boyd is seen turning away from police, not trying to attack them.  

Our local governments have criminalized homelessness to the point that people are being shot for trying to find a safe place to sleep.

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    •  No (6+ / 0-)

      They have to go through interviews, paperwork, etc. when they shoot.  That is not less work.

      One obvious interpretation is the police made the confrontation violent so they could get away with shooting.  What's a few hours or days of easy work if it means you get to kill with no consequences?  This is the least likely, but possible.

      Of course, perhaps they were using the flash bang to agitate the suspect so they could be him up, and then panicked in cowardice when they got the result they asked for.

      Another interpretation is they totally screwed up when they used the flash bang, and then compounded it by shooting.  

      In cases two and three, it began with a minimum misdemeanor, and likely felony, assault by the police that caused a death.  It sounds like a good case for homicide as the consequence of committing a crime.  In effect, if not the letter of the law, this is a lot worse in terms of negligence and intent than a drunk driver killing another person in an accident.

      •  Sorry, that was a deliberate escalation (6+ / 0-)

        of a compliant suspect.

        The officers did fire a flash-bang device at him, which was moderately ineffective due to the nature of the device and its operational capabilities. The suspect then drew knives when being charged by the canine, something I'd do in his place as well. It's called self-defense and that used to be a human right in the United Fascist States of America.
        The suspect then retreated and was fired upon, something that was forbidden since the late 1960's, but now seems to be legal. Shoot the fleeing suspect, for that three inch knife can travel hundreds of yards and has a kill zone of a howitzer!

        •  A general lesson here is NOT to draw any weapon (0+ / 0-)

          but to cooperate completely when you are confronted by the police.  The guy is arguing when the video starts.  He looks and sounds aggressive.  He pulls knives, may have even more deadly weapons in that big pack.
          Put yourself in the police shoes.  They face a suspect who has unknown intentions and capabilities, so they HAVE to assume the worst, ie the guy has machine guns and grenades in that big pack and after he knifes the dog, will duck behind the rocks and blast the cops to hell. Too often police face well-armed cop killers.  
          But regardless of whether you want to understand the police officer point of view, for your own health, keep your hands in sight and make no sudden movements.  Do nothing that could possibly be construed as initiating an attack.  

          •  The problem here is he was a schitzophrenic (1+ / 0-)
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            and paranoid, and the cops already knew that because they'd dealt with him several times in the past already.  During one previous encounter, the guy broke the nose of a police woman.

            The guy didn't have any weapons out until after the police riled him up with that flash round.  Before that, he was cooperating, and his hands were occupied carrying his bags.

            Even after provoking a known paranoid schitzophrenic, they had other options to take him down safely, the most obvious being a tazer.  Pretty hard to swing a knife when your on the ground and your muscles are locked up.

            But I think the problem here are in fact the cops.  Did you know that the cops in Albequerque have shot and killed way more people than the cops in New York City.  The Department of Justice is currently investigating the Albequergue police department for this.

          •  Purposely incorrect POV? (0+ / 0-)

                Perhaps in the land of Breaking Bad and corrupt untrained police officers this is valid procedure? Always amazed by first cop thought is to use their gun. Two burly (theoretically in shape) cops ought to be trained in fighting skills to take down a knife wielding suspect. Most police departments issue officers batons (night sticks) as well as pepper spray and tasers. If they pulled him in before they know what weapons he had before. And if he runs? Where is he going, into the desert?
                 "The suspect posed a threat": most cops that are killed are doing something they aren't supposed to, shot by their partners, or shot with their own gun. Not even counting the self inflicted gunshot wounds.

          •  General Lesson ? (0+ / 0-)

             This was little more than an exercise in how to murder somebody while making it look like he was a threat. Is this the smartest thing they could think of ? Jesus, it was flat out murder. WHY; was it necessary to fire the stun grenade. WHY; was the dog sent in WHY; didn't they just back off when he said he'd walk down the mountain. WHY; does law enforcement ALWAYS assume the person they're talking to is going to do them bodily harm.

             This guy was out in the woods where he was a threat to nobody. He was confronted by at least four men with automatic weapons and a nasty dog and HE represented a threat ???? seriously ?

              This entire police mentality was created when Ronald fuckin Reagan started the "War on Drugs" in earnest. He gave law enforcement the tools (armored vehicles, para military training, sophisticated weapons, and MONEY,) to go get the drug dealers. Now, as a result of years of that mentality, the citizens of our communities are looked upon as gun toting evil, instead of people. We see it all the time, and it's getting worse. SWAT teams blowing through the front door shouting "get down, get down".
              This guy had a knife or two. A KNIFE, not an automatic weapon. Sure, he COULD have had other stuff but that can be said of every single person they encounter every day. The fact is, he didn't, and they murdered him just the same. It's BULLSHIT ! !

            Boycott Wal Mart

    •  I believe the police consider this (0+ / 0-)

      on the training or target practice.

    •  It's the new teapublican policy (2+ / 0-)

      Since they couldn't get to convene death panels, they've settled for summary execution of the unworthy, i.e.; the poor.

    •  Whisky Tango Foxtrot (4+ / 0-)
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      They shoot the guy, then when he is down they fire some bean bags up his arse. Does not look to me they gave a damn about his condition when they went to him other than to step on his hand and jerk his other arm behind him. They they start rifling through his kit and still do not seem to consider the guy is dying if not dead already.

      Just so hard to trust any police these days.

  •  Cops shoot unarmed/homeless/handcuffed (12+ / 0-)

    person.  The most frightening thing about this is that I was almost expecting this week's event.
    Why aren't more people screaming at how the cops are killing with impunity.  
    We have met the enemy and he is us.  Pogo nailed it.

    "Takes more than guns to kill a man" Joe Hill

    by sajiocity on Mon Mar 24, 2014 at 08:57:23 PM PDT

  •  A Small Correction (8+ / 0-)
    Our local governments have criminalized citizenship to the point that people are being shot.

    "Political ends as sad remains will die." - YES 'And You and I' ; -8.88, -9.54

    by US Blues on Mon Mar 24, 2014 at 08:58:44 PM PDT

  •  you know.. (15+ / 0-)

    there used to be land, where people could move. That was America. Now, if you sleep on some piece of unused land, some asshole will kill you "under color of law", and be rewarded for it.

    This Rover crossed over.. Willie Nelson, written by Dorothy Fields

    by Karl Rover on Mon Mar 24, 2014 at 09:31:11 PM PDT

  •  I didn't see one movement this man made that (10+ / 0-)

    would remotely cause the cops to shoot him. Nothing. He was calm,at all times, no jerking motion at all and no moment towards them until he was ready to come down and he was still calm. MURDER!!!

  •  Title bias (5+ / 0-)

    I would request you reconsider the unintentional bias inherent in describing violation of ABQ Parks and Rec "Open Space" camping permit rules by a homeless man as illegal.  While it is of course technically illegal, and a minor misdemeanor, it's a rules violation identical in nature to sleeping in a city park.

    Here are the relevant ordinances from the city code:

    "Camping pursuant to a permit and in areas designated by the Mayor.  Such a permit may be obtained from the Open Space Division, Parks and Recreation Department, city.  The following guidelines shall apply to permits:
             (a)   Permits may be issued for not more than seven days.
             (b)   No person may camp for more than seven days within any consecutive 30-day period.
             (c)   A permit may be revoked immediately if the campsite is not kept clean and sanitary, or if this article or any other law is violated, or in an emergency situation to protect public safety."

    "Any person who violates any provision of this code for which another penalty is not specifically provided shall, upon conviction, be subject to a fine not exceeding $500 or by imprisonment not exceeding 90 days or both unless a different specific penalty is provided.  Each separate violation shall constitute a separate offense and, upon conviction, each day of violation shall constitute a separate offense.  "

    Iron sharpens Iron. Normal is a dryer setting. STOP illegal immigration NOW! -- Make it LEGAL. If Corporations are People--Let's draft them.

    by benamery21 on Mon Mar 24, 2014 at 09:55:44 PM PDT

  •  Murder (9+ / 0-)

    This looks like a pilot for a TV show.
    It doesn`t even look well acted.
    This is insane.
    I call this murder in the first degree.
    Who decided a flash bang grenade would be the proper thing to use as the man starts down the hill prepared to go along peacefully. Did they decide to light the way or light this poor man up.
    JHFC, the guy was camping.
    Solution:murder
     

    I`m already against the next war.

    by Knucklehead on Mon Mar 24, 2014 at 10:08:30 PM PDT

    •  omg (7+ / 0-)

      That was just horrible.

      He was complying!!!!  Then they throw a grenade at him and allow the k9 unit to charge him.  Then they shoot him because he gets scared!!!

      After they shoot him twice and he falls face down they continue to shout commands at him!!!!  Really?! Those assholes expect a man who has been shot at point blank range  and is obviously dying to follow fucking commands!!

      As he lay dying one of them shoots him in the back with bean bags!!!  

      They murdered that man. Period.

      Ps I also noticed the high quality of the clip, I wondered is this a hoax? Because it's so clearly murder.  Then I realized it was real and I just started to cry.

      •  There's a special kind of stupid (5+ / 0-)

        among cops. We saw it here in Oregon a few years ago when Portland officers pulled a car over on a traffic violation and shot a passenger in the stomach for trying to leave the scene. After shooting her, they cuffed her hands behind her, put her in the back of a squad car and left her to die. Later investigation revealed that while she did complain of severe pain while bleeding to death in the officer's car, he ignored her because he "thought she was faking".

        The cop who shot her.

        Thought she was faking.

        The grand jury naturally said okely dokely and sent him back to work.

    •  Murder of homeless man (1+ / 0-)
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      I cannot believe that our country has come to this, execution of the homeless.  Our local county sheriff says that about 70-80% of the people in our local jail are mentally ill.  

      As for the warmongers hammering away at President Obama for weakness in front of the insane Russian Putin:  the 20th century started with a war in Crimea. Please do not let the 21st century start the same.

      another Tolerant Libertarian.

  •  For all the good that ethical, responsible cops (5+ / 0-)

    (the great majority) do, often at personal peril, police departments across this nation remain a repository for too many disordered personalities in desperate search of their lost manhood.

  •  This story has been at the top of almost every (2+ / 0-)
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    newscast in Albuquerque for days.

    Last night, on one of them I caught for a few seconds while I was channel surfing, I was momentarily delayed by a shot of a white T-Shirt that looked like this:

    APDAnother Person Dead

    ("APD" = Albuquerque Police Department)

    The shootings in Albuquerque--the frequency and number--have the attention of the Feds, and have already been the cause of the Chief of Police, Ray Schulz, "retiring" late last year.  The new Chief of Police, Gordon(?) Eden, looks to have a short career as the new APD Chief.

  •  Sorry Kommenters, you're all wrong (0+ / 0-)

    The man pulled out 2 knives when faced with armed police officers.

    Say what you want about his right to camp on that land, say what you want about the demonization of the homeless - I agree with you on all that.

    But this man was armed. An individual with a knife, especially in a situation where he is clearly overpowered by the police, is a threat. You can't say "he's not a threat, they have guns".  They have guns because he is a threat.

    Those officers acted in the correct manner. A person with a knife is far more dangerous than we give them credit for. If you're in this situation, you can make it known verbally that you have knives or you can choose not to touch them.

    But if you pull them out, you can expect lethal force. How fucking dumb do you have to be to think that pulling out ANY WEAPON is a good idea in this situation?

    •  How f-cking dumb? (3+ / 0-)

      This man claimed to be an agent of the Department of Defense. Clearly, he had mental health issues -- which were likely related to his homelessness.

      I'm sure he wasn't thinking rationally.

      Once again, this is a heartbreaking example of police not being properly trained in dealing with mental health issues. Add a pre-existing (and alarming) level of trigger-happiness to the mix and you get murder -- which of course will be rationalized and dismissed as self-defense.

      God used to be my co-pilot, but then we crashed in the mountains and I had to eat him.

      by Eagles92 on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 11:02:26 AM PDT

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    •  Quote "Those officers acted in the correct manner" (3+ / 0-)

      Yes, they seemed to shoot him in the back.

    •  I don't see a knife. (4+ / 0-)

      I see an obese, docile guy getting gunned down in cold blood.

      And even if he did have a knife (not the same as being "armed"); wow, that sucks, man up and do your job as a police officer to defuse the situation, that's why we hire you. If we wanted toolbags who shoot first and ask questions later, we'd just arm ourselves and act like crazed vigilantes with a bone to pick.

      Oh. Right.

      Shame on you for your knee-jerk, "oh, had a knife therefore that makes it right" apathy toward human life. Perhaps you consider someone with a knife a threat while you and your friends have him surrounded with automatic weapons, but only so far as like to get off on murdering people.

      All irrelevant, of course, because there is no knife in the video. They are liars.

    •  Sorry you're wrong (5+ / 0-)

      Try the bean bags after we fill you full of lead?

      If he's running at you with a knife well then that's different, he was running away and where the fuck was he gonna go? It's the desert and they got all his stuff!

      Shoot em in the back sop now, give me a break from this Nazis redneck norm!

    •  How do you know? (4+ / 0-)

      From the video, there is no way to know the man was holding a knife, although the original video is likely of better resolution.

      If the knife or knives were merely found at the scene, the evidence means little.  The killers had control of the crime scene.

      What is clear is, that if the man was holding a knife at that point, he was still not a threat to the officers, just a possible threat to an officer's weapon if that weapon continued to be used to attack the suspect.

    •  That's the situation they bring dogs & tazers for! (0+ / 0-)

      "If Wall Street paid a tax on every “game” they run, we would get enough revenue to run the government on." ~ Will Rogers

      by Lefty Coaster on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 08:07:47 PM PDT

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    •  mental illness (1+ / 0-)
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      ... is NOT a reason to shoot and KILL someone ... knives, or NO knives. I worked for MANY years on the roughest streets of my town as a street worker ... I was NEVER attacked ... if you don't have the skills ... DON'T DO THE JOB. They COULD have EASILY chosen to disable him by shooting him in the legs, for instance, if this kind of force was deemed so 'necessary' . If these cops are such PUSSIES that an obviously insane man with a couple of knives scares the crap out of them... maybe they should just go back to working at Mall-Wart.

    •  Justifying murder is wrong. (1+ / 0-)
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      "Sorry Kommenters, you're all wrong"

      Fuck you, you arrogant piece of shit.

    •  "Those officers acted in the correct manner." BS (1+ / 0-)
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      THIS is the attitude that perpetuates the use of deadly force when it's NOT called for. Police are trained ONLY to kill someone who is armed. Disabling a man with knives would be EXTREMELY easy - shoot him ONCE - in the leg. Not only did they use deadly force without cause, they shot the man several times as he lay face down - having already been taken down with several shots. Anyone who considers that this was necessary and "correct" is SICK.

      Those cops, like too many others, are murderers. Yet the chance of a prosecution is probably next to nil. And even if prosecuted, "nil" also applies to the chances of a conviction.

    •  Worlds apart you and I (0+ / 0-)

      A threat?! Armed?  Bet you think your penis is a weapon.

      You can't think clearly, "An individual with a knife, especially in a situation where he is clearly overpowered by the police, is a threat."

    •  iced327 - At LAST some basic common sense. (0+ / 0-)

      An agile guy with a knife can cover 20 feet and stab you to death in less than 2 seconds.

    •  SERIOUSLY (0+ / 0-)

      Four men armed with automatic weapons AND a "trained to kill" police dog, and the smartest thing they could think of was to shoot him ??

                 H O R S E S H I T    !

  •  If there is such a thing (2+ / 0-)
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    these men will surely rot in hell.

  •  Why do we employ the worst cowards imaginable (0+ / 0-)

    to become cops.

  •  Another day, (1+ / 0-)
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    another instance of American cops behaving like half-trained, hyper-militarized clowns.

    "You want weapons? We're in a library! Books! The best weapons in the world! This room is the greatest arsenal we could have—arm yourselves!" -The Doctor

    by quillsinister on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 11:45:50 AM PDT

  •  In all fairness…. (2+ / 0-)
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    …there is a glint of metal in the man's right hand as he lies on the ground.

    That said, it was rash to shoot him when they did because there was still an opportunity to negotiate with him (he wasn't remotely close to the officers). And it was inexcusable to shoot him as he lay on the ground because he wouldn't (and probably couldn't) get up.

    So, they ensured that he would be unable to file suit against them by making sure he had no chance of leaving alive.

    If these men had no badges, they would be looking at life in prison. As it is, they will probably never serve a day in jail.

    •  Reward (1+ / 0-)
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      Cops in a local town were given a hero award an $1000 for killing a man who loved a few houses away from my daughter's school.  A gun was found at the scene, still in a holster, but no physical evidence linked it to the victim.  Gun ownership records traced it to the widow of a local police chief.

      I have no trouble believing they might end up with some kind of reward.

  •  big brave cops (2+ / 0-)
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    with all their guns. He was lying face down holding 2 tiny knives and they couldn't taser him or just take them away?

    "No one listens to jazz. Science teachers and the mentally ill, that's all jazz is for." -Vince Noir

    by sydluna on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 02:16:20 PM PDT

  •  A flash-bang first, then they shoot him to death, (2+ / 0-)

    and finally use a non-lethal bean bag to see if he is still alive---all the while they had another non-lethal option on four legs.  

    These guys are wannabe soldiers who don't have the courage, skill or the psychological attributes to join a real military fighting unit.  They are instead a bunch of cowardly bullies going after an overweight homeless man who posed no serious threat to them.  

    Great job APD---bypass two non-lethal options to kill a man for what appeared to be target practice.  Cowards !

    "The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." Albert Einstein

    by sfcouple on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 09:16:55 PM PDT

  •  And they are going to get away with it (1+ / 0-)
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    Because he had a knife in each hand. That was a foolish move on his part. You do not brandish knives at a trigger happy cop with an assault rifle.

    This does not make them right - it just gives them an excuse that too many of the public will buy.

  •  Remember the show 'Sledge Hammer'? (0+ / 0-)

    If you do, did you ever think that the behavior of the title character would become the standard operating procedure for cops a couple of decades later?

  •  It should be a crime to be homeless if you are (2+ / 0-)
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    not homeless by choice, but by circumstance!
    Only the crime is not being a homeless person. The crime is forcing a person to go without shelter when this country has so much.

    "If you tell the truth, you won't have to remember anything", Mark Twain

    by Cruzankenny on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 08:42:19 AM PDT

  •  ABQ Cops (1+ / 0-)
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    Having lived there myself and experienced the overbearing and obnoxious way they operate after moving there, I can only say this doesn't surprise me in the least.  There is a cold case murder in Tijeras Canyon of a female Assistant City or County Attorney, I can't remember which, about 1988 or 89.  She was hot on the trail of something big when she was killed.  The cops, City, County and State Police went out to the location of the body, stomped all around the area and destroyed any possible evidence, contaminating the site and making it impossible to determine who did it!  This is an example of what a citizen has to deal with out there.  Corruption on the Police Dept. involving drug trafficking and other felonious crimes is a long-standing problem on the force.  Serpico like cops get offed every now and then as well as other investigators.  The whole culture of N.M. is based on criminality going back to the Billy the Kid Days and the Lincoln County Wars.  I love the State, but found it is a dangerous place to live and I carried a sidearm all the time(5yrs) once I discovered how wild and wooly it really is!

  •  Sounds Like We Need a new version (1+ / 0-)
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    of the TV show COPS!

    Cue the song 'Bad Boys'.

    Showing the real live violence of the militarized police forces. Using excessive violence on the people they are supposed to protect and serve.

    It all makes sense. The predatory nature of western culture has turned on the people (even more against the people). The violence inherit in the system is escalating.

  •  Okay, so.... (1+ / 0-)
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    Let's say I get a bunch of M-80s and go around throwing one at every panhandler I can find.  When one doesn't like it or turns out to have PTSD and freaks out, I shoot him.  It's all justified, right?   I mean, I have this example by Albequerque's Finest as a guide.  This is a perfectly logical response to someone who is....standing around.

    Oh, wait, I forgot: you can't buy M-80s any more.

  •  Gestapo Tactics (1+ / 0-)
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    Nothing more and nothing less. The U.S. is steadily becoming a police state and it's going to get much worse.

  •  Pigs! (1+ / 0-)
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    Sorry I shouldn't degrade the animal.  These guys are out of control.  I can only hope that there will be an honest investigation.  And thank you for whoever shot this video.

  •  Violence would have been an appropriate reaction. (1+ / 0-)
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    If this man had a firearm and shot at the police, it would have been in his own defense.  He was complying with the cops after having been rudely awakened, then was fired on and saw an explosion at his feet.  Wasn't it reasonable for him to think that his life was in jeopardy?  Even if he had picked up a knife, he would have been justified in defending himself with it, but he made no apparent aggressive gesture.  The officer who shot the flash grenade provoked this incident, but anyone who fired on this man shares responsibility for his murder.  As is apparent from the video, he was non-threatening and actually turned away from the officers when fired upon.

    If these cops really felt threatened, they have not been properly trained.  Aren't police officers trained to avoid conflicts, are are they simply enjoying abuse of authority, knowing that such incidents would be white-washed by their superiors?  Even former career cops appear to be running around looking for trouble, picking fights in movie theaters and shooting to kill in response to some flung popcorn.

  •  clueless pigs (0+ / 0-)

    I am really surprised they let this one into the public forum. Did anyone see the "knife"?  Where did they find these idiots and who gave them an F'in badge?  

    F'in idiots.

  •  Albuquerque (0+ / 0-)

    For all those who are killed with witness how many go unreported?
    As for these bozos who will get away with it I can only wish that a life of hell begets them.

  •  That was cold blooded murder (1+ / 0-)
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    Hell...were they trying to handcuff him even after they murdered him?  With that many officers around they had no reason at all to fire anything at him.  
    The police in this country are out of control and something needs to be done to put a stop to their murdering actions.

    Live your life in such a way that when your feet hit the floor in the morning, Satan shudders & says... "Oh shit....she's awake!!"....

    by magginkat on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 12:01:35 PM PDT

  •  Shot (0+ / 0-)

    What you saw here was murder.  Nice job assholes!!!!

  •  Here in NM (1+ / 0-)
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    I knew a guy who was schizophrenic. He was confused in what many of us would think were normal situations. Being screamed at by armed men who claim to be acting under the color of law but in fact are being threatening can be disorienting to anyone. The guy I knew eventually hanged himself. We tried to get help for him but the state hospital would only keep him for three days due to "lack of funding". Reagan put these people on the streets and then left them high and dry. That's the root of this problem. The guy I knew owned his own house. What if he didn't? If he was homeless he might have thought, "Well I'll just camp out in the desert."

    We've seen some extraordinary police abuse lately. There was the guy down in Deming NM who was forced to go through several invasive anal exams because a cop thought he might have marijuana hidden in his butt even though just one exam would have been more than enough to prove him innocent. That cop got a raise four months later and the victim got the bill from the hospital. Then there were the two women in Texas who were anally and vaginally searched right on the highway because a cop claimed they were acting "weird" though the video shows that it was in fact the cop himself who was acting weird. If we ever hear of these stories in places like the kos we never hear of them again.

    This kind of stuff has been going on forever. I myself was beaten to within an inch of my life back in the early seventies because a cop thought I might have the devil weed. I was in the hospital for six days. I got nothing from the courts. The citizens jury couldn't believe the cops would do such a thing if I hadn't provoked them. Now with video that excuse no longer works. But people have been so brainwashed they'll still see a thing like this, look right at it and say, "Well he had a knife." Where's the humanity? This guy could be you. It was murder. And the police release to the media of course, says he was making a threatening motion. And the media just prints it because the police are our protectors.

  •  What the fuck is this country coming to (2+ / 0-)
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    when you have to fear the cops more than most criminals?

  •  "Newscaster" (0+ / 0-)

    I can't let this go without mentioning how the news guy just gives viewers the police propaganda line that, "...even though police say the shooting was justified it is "already" under attack."

    This is exactly why low info voters who learn what's going on in the world from their local TV stations vote for Republicans who are always trumpeting their "tough on crime" BS.

  •  I wish that I was that 'brave.' Not. (1+ / 0-)
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    Oh, the brave, brave men of the ABQ police department!  The victim really wasn't a threat.  How many feet away from the nearest officer was he when he allegedly pulled knives?  And then he turned away!!   He was no longer a threat!  If a civilian with a concealed carry permit would have committed this act under these circumstances he/she would MINIMALLY be found guilty of manslaughter and that would be HIGHLY unlikely.

  •  Homelessness (2+ / 0-)
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    Now punishable by death in New Mexico! Another GOP victory!

  •  Actually thy have criminalized… (2+ / 0-)
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    … Not being a policeman. To paraphrase a noted American Statesman of the past, 'If a policeman does it, that means its not illegal.'

  •  Executed for being homeless (1+ / 0-)
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    How do these people sleep at night?  

    They may declare it a "clean shoot" (arguing that the tiny knives found represented a "serious threat as set forth in the U.S. Supreme Court case of Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985).

    However, the truth is, they executed a man for no reason.

    That is the way things are in the U.S. today.  The police demand total, immediate, and complete obediance or they will execute you and claim that you were the "threat."

    Kevin Smith's excellent film "Red State" illustrates this in a fictional form (among the many thought provoking issues raised in the film).

    Time sets all things right. Error lives but a day. Truth is eternal. - General James Longstreet

    by kbrown2225 on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 04:06:16 PM PDT

  •  The thing about fear is (2+ / 0-)
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    we tend to think that the event or circumstance evokes the fear in us, and therefore justifies our 'defensive' response.

    The mind is extremely quick to justify itself. It's job is to find itself right in all matters. And consciousness is the only remedy to this ill!

    What is often missed in our understanding in these kinds of issues is that the fear existed, like a program running in the background, before these officers ever got onto this scene. We call it things like 'trigger happy'. But if you unpack that a little, you get to this.

    "I feel afraid...looking around for reason...ah ha, you, you there with the life circumstance and mental condition I don't understand, you are causing my fear...if I don't take you out, you will kill me!" See how that closes the circuit?

    And we have scared officers with guns (who should never have them or be officers, obviously) shooting homeless men who most people with 2 negotiating skills to rub together could have easily handled quite safely, and then justifying their behavior by saying they felt 'threatened' by the man.

    In reality, they felt threatened by their IMAGINED VERSION of the man in their minds and that's who they shot and therefore why they shot him. No inconsistency for them!

    Truth is, they never even SAW the actual man. And consequently, they never even see their own actual selves. They see the IMAGINED VERSION of themselves in their mind that they believe themselves to be and have no idea or consciousness to question the veracity of that claim.

    I am not AT ALL trying to be an apologist for cops who should not be cops doing bad things. But the human egoic mind is a terrible thing to misunderstand and to underestimate in its cleverness and propensity to lie to its owner, on a small, every day scale for most of us, and on a huge, 'OMG, that cop just f'n killed that guy in cold blood' manner, just as easily.

    Byron Katie says: "The mind gets it right, but backwards!"

    •  all the same (2+ / 0-)
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      I am wondering how a group of supposedly trained police officers could be afraid of a single, disoriented homeless man. If we are bandying theories, then maybe these police were acting more like a mob intent on finding someone to punish for whatever they were pissed off about that day.

      "Power corrupts - absolute power corrupts absolutely."

    •  Tipped for Byron Katie reference. (0+ / 0-)

      It's incumbent on all of us to question our own assumptions and conclusions...on a daily basis. These knee-jerk responses can be fatal.

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      and Ted Nugent doesn't think there should be a minimum age. Merica
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      by smileycreek on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 08:38:37 PM PDT

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  •  We live in a military state (3+ / 0-)

    We all are living in a Military state and the citizens are the enemy. Just look at how weaponized our local police departments are. Its no wonder they act like this. they are the problem. Get the money out of politics

  •  It is amazing (2+ / 0-)
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    how many times police are involved in a non-crime event or a harmless misdemeanor situation and the encounter ends with a dead citizen.  

    Time sets all things right. Error lives but a day. Truth is eternal. - General James Longstreet

    by kbrown2225 on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 05:26:41 PM PDT

  •  Here in Viera, Florida (2+ / 0-)
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    the sheriff's office confronted an angry man outside the Court House, who had known emotional/mental problems.  After an hour or so standoff, he again withdraws a gun from his waistband and there was a volley of gunfire.  He was dead before he hit the ground.

    The gun was a cheap plastic toy.  They could have used rubber bullets or bean bag slugs, which are in their arsenal.  They had a 6 wheel Armored car to run him over and deputies immediately behind to subdue him.  He was just a problem to them, no longer.

    Ronald Regan said they should be mainstreamed and treated with drugs and then he closed the mental hospitals.  Our jails are now the mental health facilities, just what did that fix?

  •  Target Practice (0+ / 0-)

    Why did a half dozen men with assault weapons, canine and grenades have to shoot a homeless man with a high power weapon. Why didn't they use the bean bags the first time.

    There should be a task force created to deal with them accordingly.  

  •  Obviously it is very simple; (1+ / 0-)
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    the cops were looking for someone to kill and they found someone. How proud they must be of a mission accomplished; sick bastards.

    No country can be both ignorant and free - Thomas Jefferson

    by fjb on Wed Mar 26, 2014 at 08:03:21 PM PDT

  •  Just wondering... (0+ / 0-)

    Did anyone ask if the cops high fived each other for their superb marksmanship over the corpse?

  •  This is not the first time... (1+ / 0-)
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    ... we have recently seen police officers kill somebody is cold blood on video. These will come up with some sorry-ass excuse that doesn't hold water, just like the last bunch did, and probably get away with it.

    We have reached a sick juncture in our society at which the worst danger to the poor, the working class, and the homeless is not the criminals they might encounter, but the police.

    Which is as frightening as all hell.

  •  Man killed for no reason (1+ / 0-)
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    So....first of all...a half dozen cops to "relocate" a man minding his own business and sleeping/living in the desert? Don't these assholes have anything better to do? I understand and saw that he had SMALL (6in. maybe) knives and should have thrown them down, but they were 30+ feet away. Was he a ninja? That gives you the green light to shoot him a dozen times? And still they handcuffed him after he was clearly unconscious and/or dead. What the fuck is wrong with people? This country? These laws (or lack of)? How do those men sleep at night?

  •  Such a shame. (0+ / 0-)

    As beautiful as the city of Albuquerque is and as much as I wanted to visit Santa Fe one day, it looks like I need to stay away from them as much as I stay away from Arizona.

    In fact there are several places on my wish list for taking photos that are in NM but it is not worth the risk to visit these trigger happy states. I already crossed Florida off my list. I am so sick of corrupt cops and politicians that I am tempted to visit RUSSIA as it seems that they have more freedom there than we do here!

    For most of my children's lives I have always said that if you don't like what you see here, just check the rest of the world before you complain. I really believed that America was exceptional. However that has quickly changed since the SCOTUS place the unelected pretender upon the throne in 2000! It got even worse when 9/11 happened and the sheep allowed our elected officials to enact the "Patriot Act" into law! The NSA was out of control in the 1990s but since 9/11 things really got screwy! I never thought I would live long enough to see the end of this nation, but as fast as it is going I just might make it even though I hate it.

    •  I was in Albuquerque (0+ / 0-)

      a few years ago and the people are really nice, helpful and welcoming.
      Unfortunately it seems the police all across the country are being trained to some weird standard of shooting at the least excuse. The inability to recognize a mental health issue and treat the least threat as an excuse to shoot seems to be countrywide.
      These police knew they were being taped and think they acted OK. They escalated it out of the blue and for no reason, then shot him turning away. I think it was murder.
      It's a crying shame.
      Serve and Protect? It's just graffiti on the side of a car.

  •  And law enforcement officials... (0+ / 0-)

    wonder why human beings no longer trust or respect LEOs??!?  I hope these pieces of trash with badges die a very painful, horrible life from terminal cancer... and never die.  Just ongoing pain!

  •  Anyone (0+ / 0-)

    who believes the cops in this country job is to protect and serve has not been paying attention,what really bothers me is the people in this nation seem to think this kind of thing is ok,I fear the RWers in this nation will not wake up until their children are the ones being killed.

    "We can contend with the evil men do in the in the name of evil,but heaven protect us from the evil men do in the name of good"Herrodias.

    by slinkie on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 06:47:03 AM PDT

  •  As an Ex police officer (3+ / 0-)
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    That was murder by police, plain and simple.

    At no time were the officers under any threat of bodily harm, at no time did the man even come close enough to pose a threat of great bodily harm.

    The office who shot was either looking to shoot someone or has never been trained in the use of deadly force.

    THIS SHOOTING WAS NOT JUSTIFIED!

  •  Chief Eden said (0+ / 0-)
    –  the suspect continued to rant after a crisis-intervention officer arrived. The suspect tells officers he’s an agent of the Department of Defense.
    The Chief asserted that the suspect was "ranting."  And that he claimed to be an agent of the Department of Defense.

    How many veterans of our several recent wars are victims of PTSD and homeless as a result?  I'm not saying that this was certainly the case here but the claims by the police chief indicate that it might be.

    How we do respect and protect our veterans.  Even if it kills them.

    The price of apathy is to be ruled by evil men - - Plato . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . We must be the change we wish to see in the world - - Mohandas Gandhi

    by twocrows1023 on Fri Mar 28, 2014 at 08:58:34 AM PDT

  •  Trigger-happy cops are simply symptomatic of our (0+ / 0-)

    horrific gun culture. Yes, I know, if the cop feels threatened s/he's trained to use deadly force. (This is simply every state's version of "Stand Your Ground"). Everyone knows that those who have been homeless for even a brief period of time can come across as disoriented and raving. So why aren't officers of the law armed with a stun gun if they feel so itchy to "take a ranter down"? Every time we read of a case like this the cops say that the homeless person pulled a weapon on them. It's utter Bull Shit. Even if the victim had something in her/his hand why can't they simply be stunned? A close friend of mine lost her brother (happened in Canada which is unusual) because he had forgotten to take his meds, it was dusk, he did appear disoriented and was carrying a soda can!! The cops felt "threatened" and gunned him down in cold blood. He was dead before he ever hit the ground. My great gratitude to the NRA and their ilk.

  •  Shooting (0+ / 0-)

    This is cold blooded murder.They seemed to be having a field day and the mut gets in on the act.He's poor and homeless and dispensable.Did they leave him to rot or be eaten by animals.This was videotaped by who?Maybe they were making a how to tape for rookies on how to kill.
    This whole thing makes me sick.

  •  They said they tried everything, but (0+ / 0-)

    when did they use a tazer?

    They said he made a direct threat at an officer...which one? The nearest officer was some considerable distance away.

    The "dangerous knives" the man had were very small.

    I've watched this video 100 times, and all I see is the murder of a mentally-ill man who desperately needed their help.

    I can't wait to see their explanation.

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