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In the wake of the latest, horrifying shooting at a military base, I extend my heartfelt condolences to those family and friends who are devastated...

... but...

... For all of the, hmmm.... let's call them "Republicans" who think that everyone (thanks again, PippySnips) carrying a gun will somehow end gun violence? A question, and a statement:

1. Everyone on the latest base killing was packing, so why did people get killed? Huh?

2. The Earps (and many more shire reeves) of the old west, when they were in charge, them cowboys were required to surrender their guns at the city limits, to avoid gun play and death. No, really. Look it up.

So... guns don't kill people, people kill people? How many times has a baseball bat "gone off" and killed a sleeping child 6 blocks away? And if you're still spluttering and furious at this cold hard fact, tell it to the Earps.

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  •  Don't disagree with where you're headed (5+ / 0-)

    but where do you get the idea that everyone is packing? Very few people carry on post, on station, or on ship, and those that do are either under orders to do so or doing so illegally.

  •  first off, wth are you talking about? (5+ / 0-)

    Is this the shooting you are talking about?

    http://abcnews.go.com/...

    It really helps to link so we know what you are talking about first, and second, no one on base is ever armed exce[pt the MPs and they only have ammunition in sensitive areas....

    Here at the local DM airshows when a "sensitive" plane is shown, there's a line on the pavement and very large very unhappy looking ladies and gents with m4s suggesting we don't cross it or else....

    Everyone else is as disarmed as a 10th grade classroom...iow, kinda but legally completely.

    Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
    I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
    Emiliano Zapata

    by buddabelly on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 10:40:24 AM PDT

  •  I was on a military base where soldiers were (1+ / 0-)
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    going to deploy. They had to carry their guns 24/7 as they would be doing during their deployment.

    Observing this is where I got my ideas of redundant gun safety.

    There were shooting barrels outside of all the public areas. All the soldiers would clear their guns and as a last step fire the weapon in the barrel before entering a public area.

    So if you think people 'are packing' in the military look for discharge barrels. 'Well trained' is a level most people would find amazing as we are surrounded by sloppy 'keepers' as each weeks headlines point out.

    I am sure the right to KEEP and bear arms would have a flying fit if they were asked to use a discharge barrel to prove they didn't have a live round in the chamber. But if they are going to carry, they should.

    Now they have the 2nd (safety net for sloppy) Amendment, and can't be infringed to actually treat their gun like a gun and not a video game controller.

    by 88kathy on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 11:07:59 AM PDT

    •  Why would using clearing barrels (0+ / 0-)

      cause RKBA to have a fit?

      •  it wouldn't, it also wouldn't do much considering (3+ / 0-)
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        rduran, KVoimakas, theatre goon

        the very low number of "accidental" (read as negligent any time I type it) shootings that happen in a public place.  Almost all are in the home or similar.

        It's pretty rare for anyone to be injured by someone carrying legally and it actually might create problems due to excess handling.  Personally, I don't touch my pistol outside the home on an average day.......  it just rides along....it isn't a wallet I take out every 20 minutes.....

        Israeli carry wouldn't be my preferred method for some pistols while it is for others.  But that's just my preference......

        Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
        I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
        Emiliano Zapata

        by buddabelly on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 12:32:45 PM PDT

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      •  Because I mentioned it. and I didn't say RKBA (0+ / 0-)

        I said right to KEEP and bear arms.

        Now they have the 2nd (safety net for sloppy) Amendment, and can't be infringed to actually treat their gun like a gun and not a video game controller.

        by 88kathy on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 12:34:28 PM PDT

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  •  Attacker got their gun from a responder. (1+ / 0-)
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    KVoimakas

    Didn't even have one at first.

  •  Joy and Pain (0+ / 0-)

    It's so nice to be the one who stirred up a very confusing conversation.  Thanks.

    As for buddabelly (tee hee... love that NN) I lived in Israel, years ago, for two and a half years, and while I did get used to soldiers falling asleep on, say, the same bus seat I was sitting on and their guns would invariably tilt eeeeever so slightly so that the business end was pointing directly at me, I never really got over the fear that came with the fact that I was sitting next to a sleeping soldier, carrying, and what he was carrying was pointing at me.

    And, a man I dated in Israel thought it would be handy for me to learn to break down and reassemble an AK (he could do it, in the dark, under fire, in less than 90 seconds. Oiled). It went slowly but finally I did it, and lightly banged the butt of the firearm against the floor of his small, kibbutz house, to get his attention that "Look! I did it!", when it went off. Put a hole in the ceiling. And the entire block of houses in our row emptied and the people  ran like panthers to our little house, demanding to know what had happened. (He nearly convinced them that the shot came from somewhere else, although they knew damned well it didn't, and he kept both of us out of jail by talking very  fast in Hebrew to the one guy who could send us to or keep us out of jail. IOW, my boyfriend lied thru his teeth.

    And it taught me the lesson that every gun-owner (which I do not object to) should know: there's no such thing as an unloaded gun.

    Carry on.

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