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On the last day for health insurance enrollment under the launch of Obamcare, millions more people have obtained health insurance, either directly through the exchanges or outside them, through Medicaid, and by staying on family plans. Based on state and federal reports, surveys and information from insurance executives, the Los Angeles Times estimates that at least 9.5 million previously uninsured people are now covered.

That includes:

  • At least six million in the new marketplaces, about 2 million of which were previously uninsured, a share that probably increased this month;
  • At least 4.5 million signed up through Medicaid or SCHIP (the children's health program+) either through expansion or discovering their eligibility when applying for private insurance—this means more on Medicaid in states that didn't accept the expansion;
  • At least three million young people, up to age 26, have gained coverage on their parents plans;

About nine million previously insured people have purchased new plans outside of the exchange. And, in a crushing blow to the Kochs and their minions, fewer than one million who had substandard plans in 2013 which were cancelled are now uninsured, compared to the five or six or even seven million the Kochs et al. claim. That's based on a Rand survey. The Republican claim that there has been a net decline in coverage because of cancellations is "not supported by survey data or insurance companies, many of which report they have retained the vast majority of their 2013 customers by renewing old policies, which is permitted in about half the states, or by moving customers to new plans."

These numbers are cautious, most well below Charles Gaba's (Brainwrap's) predictions of 13.1-16.8 million. To date, Gaba has been remarkably accurate in his forecasting at ACASignups.net. Gaba predicts that enrollments through the exchanges will hit at least 6.8 million, possibly 7 million before the end of the day. He counts between 4.7 and 6.5 new Medicaid/CHIP enrolled and 2.5 to 3.1 million young adults on their family's plans.

All of which is a big ol' problem for the GOP. Obamacare not collapse under its own weight, as they predicted. People did want to sign up for affordable health insurance, contrary to their deeply held belief. And the fact that they're still beating the repeal drum makes them look more out of touch than ever. If they really want to run on Obamacare in 2014, well, good luck to them with that.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 07:30 AM PDT.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  Dear Media: (40+ / 0-)

    This is not about Obama.

    It's not about Democrats.

    It's not about Republicans.

    It's not about 2014.

    It's about Americans getting health insurance.  

    Perhaps consider reporting on the actual real world results of policies once in awhile, Bubble Hacks?

  •  Hey GOP...that light you see at the end of the (16+ / 0-)

    tunnel?......I'll give you 9.5 million guesses what it is.

  •  Charles Gaba is Sandbagging (14+ / 0-)

    Reposting a previous comment:

    The great thing about Brainwrap's numbers is that he's truly being conservative. Final numbers with the extensions will almost certainly be 7 million+ (although non-payers may hold it just under 7M). Add in Medicaid expansion, known off-exchange additions and sub-26 year-olds and we're approaching 17 million.  But Charles isn't counting the likely 3 million or so additional off-exchange growth. I'm calling it near 20M once we know all of the numbers (maybe by end May).

    Of course, the Republican heads are already exploding over the currently reported 6 million number. WY Sen Barrasso was on the Sunday Morning circuit claiming that the administration is "cooking the books" with that number. As Jack Nicholson would say; they can't handle the truth! 20M might put them on suicide watch.

    "One of the more serious temptations which stifles boldness and zeal is a defeatism which turns us into querulous and disillusioned pessimists, sourpusses." ― Pope Francis

    by GoodGod on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 07:41:12 AM PDT

    •  In Addition... (13+ / 0-)

      Let me add that the rest of Americans that have private, off-exchange health insurance policies, now have secure policies that don't allow insurance companies to kick them off when they get sick (as could be done in the old days, pre-ACA). So many millions more now have real health insurance, rather than faux insurance. But get the Republicans to recognize that, even when it applies to some of their own policies... fat chance.

      "One of the more serious temptations which stifles boldness and zeal is a defeatism which turns us into querulous and disillusioned pessimists, sourpusses." ― Pope Francis

      by GoodGod on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 07:51:00 AM PDT

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      •  i have a friend, got an off-exchange policy (2+ / 0-)
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        she just didn't want to trust "Obama", but
        she has insurance, so,  i'm happy for her.

      •  Plus (11+ / 0-)

        Even those with solid employer-based plans now have the security of knowing that they can always maintain coverage if they lose their jobs or decide to change jobs.  

        This is an aspect of the reform that we really need to play up, as it doesn't seem to have penetrated the public consciousness.  We keep hearing that only the uninsured benefit from the ACA.  Nonsense.  Everybody benefits from a lifetime of healthcare security.  Even if your situation is good at the moment, it can always change.   How many people keep the same job for life these days?  

        •  You're spot on. (9+ / 0-)

          One of my sons, who has a disabled daughter, now has the ability to start his own business, which he has wanted to do for several years. Health insurance has been a major obstacle. That barrier is removed by the ACA (he just needs to get his biz plan and funding in order now).

          Enabling entrepreneurship, what could be more American than that? And how about those people that want to reduce their hours to P/T to spend more time with their families?... Another example of enhancing an "American" values.

          So many benefits to this law that it's just incredible that the Dems haven't been able to sell it better... at least until now.

          "One of the more serious temptations which stifles boldness and zeal is a defeatism which turns us into querulous and disillusioned pessimists, sourpusses." ― Pope Francis

          by GoodGod on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 08:21:07 AM PDT

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          •  And also that opens a job for someone seeking (1+ / 0-)
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            a job, when someone who has been wanting to quit but could not due to employer insurance, can now quit and that job opens up. I have a friend who wanted to retire early and they could afford it except for insurance. Now she can retire early.

            It will open up some jobs for those seeking employment so you get an extra benefit when people can now leave a job they stayed in only for insurance. Thus a job slot opens.

            Another friend said she can leave her job which was a good job but highly stressful and that job will be open for some of the part timers to get fulltimer or a fulltimer to be promoted and thus another job opening.

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            by wishingwell on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 09:07:13 AM PDT

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        •  No only that, (5+ / 0-)
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          I have the comfort of knowing that when my 22-year old son - with Type 1 diabetes and diabetic neuropathy - is off my policy when he turns 26, he'll be able to get a policy of his own.

          Prior to Obamacare, I was losing sleep on that one.

          The most violent element in society is ignorance.

          by Mr MadAsHell on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 08:39:33 AM PDT

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          •  And that is a very good thing as so many (2+ / 0-)
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            young people who are no longer on their parents' policies used to have great difficulty obtaining insurance they could afford or obtaining any insurance whatsoever. It is enabling a friend's daughter to go to grad school because otherwise she would have to work retail fulltime to get insurance and put off grad school for years.  

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            by wishingwell on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 09:10:46 AM PDT

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          •  and keeping our kids on our policies until 26 (1+ / 0-)
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            is another benefit from the ACA.

            Thanks, Obama and Democrats! No thanks to a single f*#!ing Republican.

          •  Amen, Amen, Amen! (1+ / 0-)
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            That lifted a similar oppressive weight for me!

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            by rsmpdx on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 11:33:31 AM PDT

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      •  They're Going To Be Forced To Recognize It. But (7+ / 0-)

        they'll probably just pull a Scott Brown in NH move and change the subject.
        http://www.politicususa.com/...

        Bashing Obamacare is pretty standard Boilerplate GOP campaign strategy, but poor Scott Brown made his argument in the wrong home. Richardson and his wife had to correct Scott Brown, because under the new health care exchanges made available because of Obamacare the Republican couple is paying a staggering 88 percent less for health insurance costs.

        Richardson’s wife exclaimed “thank God for Obamacare” as she and her husband described how Herb had been injured on the job and forced to live off of workman’s compensation. The couple had to pay over half of their income, 1100 dollars a month, out of pocket to maintain their health insurance under the old federal COBRA law. Obamacare enabled them to qualify for a healthcare subsidy which lowered their costs almost a thousand dollars a month to an affordable 136 dollars a month instead. The Richardsons have reason to be grateful for the implementation of the Affordable Care Act.

        Scott Brown may have learned a lesson for Republicans campaigning against Obamacare. As long as it remained an abstraction, it made a convenient bogeyman to attack on the stump. However, now that Obamacare is actually working for some people, the GOP will have to tread carefully. For some people it has brought affordable health care. Despite all the phony horror stories, for Republican families like the Richardsons, the real story is that Obamacare will save them over 10,000 dollars annually in health care costs. For other people with low incomes or with pre-existing conditions, the Affordable Care Act may give them health care coverage for the first time.

      •  And Dems still don't talk about it (0+ / 0-)

        Instead DINOS like Landrieu and Warner talk about "fixing" it.  Dreadful frame keeps on ticking.

  •  Plus don't let them pretend (12+ / 0-)

    Don't let them pretend that cancelations are some mystifying new phenomenon created by the ACA.  They were ALWAYS part of the landscape, like rising costs.  The difference is that now you have alternatives.

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    by Alden on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 07:48:09 AM PDT

    •  No doubt - same with "lost my doctor" (5+ / 0-)

      My company switched my health insurance this year, and now a couple docs who have done specialized things in the past are not in my network.

      Republicans would have you believe this is due to the ACA, but the fact is my plan had nothing to do with the exchanges and I already had a compliant plan.  I did not get to keep my old plan and lost doctors because:

      THAT IS THE WAY HEALTH INSURANCE HAS ALWAYS WORKED

      ...or "not worked"

      •  This can happen with even the best employer based (1+ / 0-)
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        plans. For instance, my husband's company went from Geisinger Insurance to Blue Cross and there are some significant changes. There is one specialist we can no longer use but fortunately our Geisinger doctors take Blue Cross. But we lost our discount that Geisinger gives to their parents using their insurance. So it happens with employer plans.

        Even the best plans that employers offer can change, alter, or be dropped in favor of plans that cover less.

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        by wishingwell on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 09:15:04 AM PDT

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    •  Yes plus my friend had one of these plans and it (1+ / 0-)
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      was awful. My friend is 60 yrs, a cancer survivor, and she had one of these catastrophic plans that only covered inpatient hospitalization and nothing else. She had to pay out of pocket for all medications, doctor visits, xrays, all testings.  It kept her from seeing a doctor and she needs to see a doctor at her age plus being a cancer survivor.  

      She now has a plan that covers these things , at least at 80 pct now .

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      by wishingwell on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 09:13:12 AM PDT

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  •  Great, great news, and the numbers (5+ / 0-)

    are only going to rise.

    the woman who is easily irritated

    by chicago minx on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 07:49:01 AM PDT

  •  3 million young people have gained coverage (2+ / 0-)
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    on their parents plans...jealous, considering that we were unable to put our college-aged daughter on our plan through the exchange, but, more to the point --

    What exactly does that mean?
    Would those people have been uninsured otherwise, or have they simply been added to thier parents' plans because it's a better deal? And, come to think of it, how could anybody ever get a number for that?

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    by dinotrac on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 07:49:20 AM PDT

    •  It means both (4+ / 0-)

      These young adults are able to get on their parents insurance where they couldn't get it otherwise.  For some, being on their parents would be cheaper than buying it on their own.  For others, there may not have been any other way to get insurance without getting on an exchange (which, in places like Texas, would be hard).

      I'm curious why your child couldn't get on yours.  Did they want her to sign up for her own?

      "Harass us, because we really do pay attention. Look at who's on the ballot, and vote for the candidate you agree with the most. The next time, you get better choices." - Barney Frank

      by anonevent on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 08:06:31 AM PDT

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      •  We're also curious why we couldn't get her on. (0+ / 0-)

        The people we talked to said we should be able to do it.
        We even filed an appeal and a case worker tried to make it happen.

        They wanted proof that she didn't qualify for Medicaid, which rankles me because we weren't asking to get a subsidy for her, just to add her to our plan. Besides, she lives in Missouri, where she goes to school, and they rejected the Medicaid expansion.

        Giant mess. We gave up and bought a policy for her.

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        by dinotrac on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 08:16:55 AM PDT

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        •  Were you able to get a policy for her on the (0+ / 0-)

          exchange at a good price and with a subsidy?  Did they say you could keep her on your policy because she lives in another state?

          I ask because this is how it worked with car insurance 30 yrs ago when my dad wanted to keep my 21 yr old sister on his car insurance but since he lived in PA and she took a job in GA, they said No... He tried and they said she would have to get insurance in her state of Georgia and not in another state.  So did the state of residency come into play as a reason they would not cover her?

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          by wishingwell on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 09:17:56 AM PDT

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          •  We got her an unsubsidized policy. (0+ / 0-)

            The price is one we can live with.

            The state of residency was never mentioned as a problem, but, ironically, the coverage we got for her was better than we  got for ourselves and better than she would have had on our plan.

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            by dinotrac on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 09:20:21 AM PDT

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            •  Was it unsubsidized because it saved all the (0+ / 0-)

              hassle of providing proof she was not eligible for medicaid? As I would think she would qualify for her own policy for a good size subsidy, right?  Or do they require too much documentation for subsidy?

              But that is so good that she now has an excellent policy.

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              by wishingwell on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 10:28:42 AM PDT

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              •  She doesn't have an excellent policy. Not at all. (0+ / 0-)

                She merely has one that's better than ours.

                It was unsubsidized because she would not qualify for a subsidy.  People who make below the poverty threshold -- and she earned well below that in 2013, do not qualify for subsidies.  In a state that rejected the Medicaid expansion, they also are not eligible for Medicaid.

                I'm not sure about the expansion -- can full-time students qualify?  It doesn't matter in Missouri (or Texas), but I'm curious.

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                by dinotrac on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 11:04:13 AM PDT

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                •  I wish they would change that part, where (1+ / 0-)
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                  low income individuals qualify for a subsidy in states where there is no medicaid expansion. If denied medicaid for any reason, they should offer those folks a chance to get a subsidized policy.

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                  by wishingwell on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 04:23:32 PM PDT

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                •  I am not sure if full time college students (1+ / 0-)
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                  qualify for medicaid or whether they can get it? I know our son was able to get one of those low cost college plans offered by a number of colleges and universities. When I was in grad school in PA, I got my insurance through the university who had student policies. What they covered basically was care received at the college health center, ER care at the hospital for problems the health center cannot handle, and hospitalization.

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                  by wishingwell on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 04:25:43 PM PDT

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                •  It's probably too late now (0+ / 0-)

                  but I've heard that if you fudge the numbers up to where you qualify for the subsidy, but at the end of the year you report that you didn't make as much, you aren't penalized.

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                  by anonevent on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 05:31:55 PM PDT

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                  •  Given the role of the IRS in enforcement, I'm in (0+ / 0-)

                    no mood to fudge anything.  I've been on the wrong side of those folks, and it's not an experience I wish to repeat.

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                    by dinotrac on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 08:15:04 PM PDT

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    •  Children (2+ / 0-)
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      I though you could keep children to age 26 on plans bought through the exchange (assuming they are "family" plans).  Is this not correct?  

      •  We thought so, too. So did everybody we talked to. (1+ / 0-)
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        And yet, we were never able to make it happen.

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        by dinotrac on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 08:17:25 AM PDT

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        •  You need to pursue it further (2+ / 0-)
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          Can't comment without details, but I think you need to keep pursuing it.  Don't believe everything people tell you.  This is a new way of doing things and a lot of people are misinformed.  Try your state's insurance commissioner office.  

          •  We pursued it as far as we care too. (0+ / 0-)

            We did appeal it, we did get case workers involved. Funny thing -- nobody said that she couldn't be on. Everybody -- and I do mean everybody -- said she we should be able to put her on the plan.  When it came time to do it, though, the system wouldn't take it.

            There comes a time when you just move on.  We have too much going on in our lives to fight this thing any further.

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            by dinotrac on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 09:17:55 AM PDT

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            •  Dealing with insurers (0+ / 0-)

              is hard work - always has been.  My wife and I have great insurance, but we have spent countless hours adjudicating claims and on several occasions have had to ask for an appointment with the company and take our paperwork to them in order to get things straightened out.

              It pays to be persistent.    

        •  Is it because she lives in another state from you (0+ / 0-)

          or do you live in Missouri too? As I was wondering if parents could keep their kids on their policies till age 26 even if the adult child lived in another state? I know car insurances often will not do this unless the child is a college student?

          Is the state of residency an issue?  As I am shocked they wanted proof of her medicaid eligibility if you just wanted to keep her on your policy and she is 26 or younger.

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          by wishingwell on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 09:20:35 AM PDT

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          •  I don't know. That isn't supposed to matter. You (0+ / 0-)

            are explicitly allowed under the law to put children on your plan who live away from home and who are not claimed as dependents .

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            by dinotrac on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 08:17:28 PM PDT

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      •  That's A Consumer Protection That Applies To All (0+ / 0-)

        policies now if a family chooses to use it.  

        •  Which is different from actually being able to do (0+ / 0-)

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          by dinotrac on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 09:21:25 AM PDT

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          •  ???? (0+ / 0-)

            I don't think there are any limitations other than income level. Young adults covered by their own employer or who're making big money can afford their own policies. I think that means that families can either keep their student/un- or underemployed kids on when it benefits them. Otherwise the student/unemployed youngster can apply for Medicaid. Overall, I think that choice is a big plus for families.

  •  right wing predictions tend to be wrong. (6+ / 0-)

    they predict a lot of crazy stuff,  

    i think it's the effect of nancy reagan's astrologer.

    •  Nancy's Astrologer (5+ / 0-)

      I met Nancy Reagan's astrologer on a flight to SF some years ago. Very nice woman (who gave me a great SF restaurant tip, by-the-way). But she was absolutely convinced that she was responsible for the end of the cold war, as she had advised "Ronnie" to work with, and to trust Gorbachev.

      "One of the more serious temptations which stifles boldness and zeal is a defeatism which turns us into querulous and disillusioned pessimists, sourpusses." ― Pope Francis

      by GoodGod on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 08:01:33 AM PDT

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      •  Years ago, a friend gave me a book written by (0+ / 0-)

        Nancy's astrologer as a gag gift. He was a Republican Reagan lover and we often debate politics and he knew I was a liberal. So he gave this to me, I never read it..I should look for it sometime in my box of stored books and read it now yrs later for a laugh.  

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        by wishingwell on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 09:22:36 AM PDT

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  •  Talking points needed (4+ / 0-)
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    to be able to properly respond to those predictable questions:

    1 - How many people had existing policies cancelled due to Obamacare?

    2 - Of those, how many of those policies were bad policies?

    3 - Of those, how many people were able to replace them with better policies?

    4 - How many people had their good or bad policies cancelled and were not able to replace them with comparable or better policies?

    I'm guessing that whatever #1 is, #'s 2 & 3 are very high percentages, and #4 is very low. But I don't know what the numbers actually are.

    "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

    by kovie on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 07:56:08 AM PDT

    •  Plus how many would've been canceled anyway (1+ / 0-)
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      That was already happening in large numbers every year, just not as large as in this exceptional transition year.

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      by Alden on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 08:10:07 AM PDT

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    •  Four should be zero (0+ / 0-)

      Since there is no one who can be denied insurance now, anyone who had a policy cancelled is able to purchase a replacement.  Anyone who does not enroll is making a choice to go uninsured, but is not being compelled to do so.  

      Anyone who decides not to replace their old policy is probably doing it for one of two reasons:  
      1.  They don't like the cost of the replacement policy.
      2.  The don't want to have anything to do with "Obamacare"

      I strongly suspect that 2 is much more common than 1.  

      •  Well (0+ / 0-)

        Most likely SOME people lost their excellent policies and had to pay more for a comparable or similarly for a worse policy, but I'm guessing that there aren't that many and mostly reflect so-called "Cadillac Plans".

        I.e. people with far better policies and/or that were far cheaper than most policies--which they can probably still get, if they're willing to pay for it.

        "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

        by kovie on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 09:51:37 AM PDT

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        •  Cadillac plans (0+ / 0-)

          By definition, Cadillac plans are not available on the private market but come through blue chip employers as a benefit.    For example, the insurance Ted Cruz and his family get through his wife's job at Goldman Sachs.  

          All of the cancelled policies were individual market policies.  A can't imagine that any of them were that great.   If they were, they would have been ACA-compliant.  

  •  Gotta survive November (2+ / 0-)
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    I don't know what to make of Nate Silver's numbers.

    But when the Republicans say they'll still go for repeal, I believe them.  A party that wouldn't hesitate to fry the planet just to prove that warming is a hoax wouldn't hesitate to shoot its own head off to prove Obamacare is unamerican.

    I guess the veto remains an insurmountable obstacle to lunacy in even the worst credible 2015 scenarios.

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    by Alden on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 08:08:38 AM PDT

    •  Slice in time (2+ / 0-)
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      Nate Silver's numbers are based on current polls. He's always revised projections as the polls change.

      Properly selling the ACA could be a big boost for the Dems as most Americans sure don't understand it's benefits... not yet. And there's plenty of other actions that could help them between now and November, despite the poor Senatorial map in 2014, as long as they aren't defeatist.

      "One of the more serious temptations which stifles boldness and zeal is a defeatism which turns us into querulous and disillusioned pessimists, sourpusses." ― Pope Francis

      by GoodGod on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 08:28:49 AM PDT

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      •  Defeatist? Dems? (1+ / 0-)
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        You do realize you are talking about the Democratic party don't you? The party that ran from ACA the minute it was passed.  The party that has run from unions after using them in every election.  The party that took 5 years to deal with judicial filibusters and now won't deal with blue slips.  The party that ran from torture, spying, climate change, real Wall Street reform, a large enough stimulus to make a difference, that has been running from its heritage building modern America since at least 1980.

      •  GoodGod (1+ / 0-)
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        Gets a rec for his/her sigline!!

        "Because we are all connected...."

        by Shawn87 on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 05:07:19 PM PDT

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  •  Are we looking at this correctly? (2+ / 0-)
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    I'm not so sure that this success is the be all and end all you think it is.  

    The GOP has just hinted at a new strategy:  The administration is lying about the numbers.   Don't believe them.  (yeah denial, again)

    Is it just another dog whistle to the base or are they misleading us to focus on the wrong thing in this election cycle.

    How many of those covered will vote in the next election?  (low %) Will they vote Democrat?  (probably)

    Has the Overton window been moved so far to the negative on health care that it won't return to the center prior to the next election?

    Should we be focusing our energy on things other than defending Obamacare?  Focus on things such as the Economy?  It's still the #1 issue in a lot (like 95%) of peoples minds.  

    I haven't heard the Republicans talking much about the economy lately.  Probably because the economy is starting to improve (but it hasn't trickled down yet, seems to be stuck at Wall St!).

    This is a base election coming up, all the Republicans have to do is to is keep up the hate/uncertainty for a few more months (to depress Democratic turnout a few points more) and they (partially/mostly) nullify Obama's accomplishments.

    Perhaps we need to change our viewpoint from defending Obamacare to bragging about how the economy is looking up (of which the ACA is part).  How manufacturing is picking up (everyone who votes democrat realizes that this is the backbone of the economy.)

    I guess my main point is that the Republicans have dictated the conversation and tone since October.  We need to change that and move the Overton window back to the left on issues other than Obamacare and get people feeling good about the economy.  (To those who say Minimum wage increase, I say we need More than a few items to make people feel better about the economy.)

    ... the watchword of true patriotism: "Our country - when right to be kept right; when wrong to be put right." - Carl Schurz; Oct. 17, 1899

    by NevDem on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 08:14:41 AM PDT

    •  Raising minimum wage is a popular issue that (1+ / 0-)
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      polls very well. That should also be a big issue for Democrats to emphasize too.

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      by wishingwell on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 08:20:15 AM PDT

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      •  Read the last sentence please. (1+ / 0-)
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        Min Wage is not enough to move the Overton Window or Motivate the base to get out and Vote!

        ... the watchword of true patriotism: "Our country - when right to be kept right; when wrong to be put right." - Carl Schurz; Oct. 17, 1899

        by NevDem on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 08:47:51 AM PDT

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        •  True but it can be one of several issues , so I do (0+ / 0-)

          agree with you. I was just including that as one issue that polls very well and it can be included in the campaign package.

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          by wishingwell on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 08:57:02 AM PDT

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          •  I see, we need a laundry list of issues (0+ / 0-)

            But I think that at the top of every list should be 'Improve the Economy'

            Main street is still hurting, this is why the minimum wage issue polls so well.  A chance for people's children to get ahead.

            ... the watchword of true patriotism: "Our country - when right to be kept right; when wrong to be put right." - Carl Schurz; Oct. 17, 1899

            by NevDem on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 06:00:46 PM PDT

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      •  Polling is not voting (0+ / 0-)

        Polling is not voting.  Folks poll well on all kinds of things that do not motivate their votes.

        •  So what does motivate (0+ / 0-)

          voting?

          (this is also known as the brass ring)

          ... the watchword of true patriotism: "Our country - when right to be kept right; when wrong to be put right." - Carl Schurz; Oct. 17, 1899

          by NevDem on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 06:02:06 PM PDT

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    •  Hey Joan! (0+ / 0-)

      I think I nailed it.  Jed just wrote an front page article about Republicans saying the numbers are not being truthful.

      I have to wonder, who is responding to the dog whistle now?  

      We need to change the focus of the conversation.  When they make outlandish accusations, we need to tell the Republicans Two Words: Prove It.  and move on to OUR next topic of conversation like : Strengthening economy, but must make sure Republicans don't win to screw it up!

      ... the watchword of true patriotism: "Our country - when right to be kept right; when wrong to be put right." - Carl Schurz; Oct. 17, 1899

      by NevDem on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 09:02:27 AM PDT

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  •  As a wise person once said, (1+ / 0-)
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    This is a big fucking deal!

    Reading DailyKos is like getting the newspaper two weeks early. But without the lottery results.

    by jazzmaniac on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 08:15:53 AM PDT

  •  Not "well below" brainwrap's predictions. (0+ / 0-)
    These numbers are cautious, most well below Charles Gaba's (Brainwrap's) predictions of 13.1-16.8 million.
    You're comparing apples to oranges. Brainwrap tracks numbers getting covered under the ACA and is quite up-front about not being able to tell how many of those were previously uninsured. The article is specifically estimating previously uninsured.

    Either way, it's a BFD (tm).

  •  There is still a major "Disconnect" (0+ / 0-)

    between the current success and public approval.

    a long habit of not thinking a thing WRONG, gives it a superficial appearance of being RIGHT, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom.

    by Jamesleo on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 08:19:42 AM PDT

  •  They will only use one number: (0+ / 0-)

    ONE MILLION PEOPLE NO LONGER COVERED!

    AND WE CARE DEEPLY ABOUT THEM!

  •  What is the over/under (0+ / 0-)

    to how quickly the GOP talking points pivot when the law works (as well as this type of plan can) and tens of millions are newly covered and costs are contained?

    How soon before the GOP starts taking credit for this being a private, market-based solution that the GOP and their conservative think tanks came up with all along?

    And so few people will care or remember the total disconnect between that and their heated, outrageous rhetoric of the first years of the bill, or the "death panels", or the 50 repeal votes. And the mainstream media won't remind people of that either.

    Blue is blue and must be that. But yellow is none the worse for it - Edith Sidebottom

    by kenwards on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 08:35:24 AM PDT

  •  Imagine what the numbers would be (0+ / 0-)

    if the roll out hadn't been botched, AND if the other half of the states had expanded Medicaid.

    The most violent element in society is ignorance.

    by Mr MadAsHell on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 08:41:44 AM PDT

  •  re (0+ / 0-)

    This is a base election coming up, all the Republicans have to do is to is keep up the hate/uncertainty for a few more months (to depress Democratic turnout a few points more) and they (partially/mostly) nullify Obama's accomplishments. http://is.gd/...

  •  I actually had a problem with the website today (2+ / 0-)
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    wishingwell, TheLizardKing

    HOWEVER, I'm NOT freaking out. I called the 800 number & left my phone number with the automated service. The message said that since I made my call today, before open enrollment ended, I could still get covered, even if they don't call me back today (which they probably won't, per the message).

    A village can not reorganize village life to suit the village idiot.

    by METAL TREK on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 09:06:58 AM PDT

    •  Hang in there, keep trying , I think the site may (2+ / 0-)
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      METAL TREK, TheLizardKing

      be busy as some people waited and now they are trying to get signed up on the last day.

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      by wishingwell on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 09:25:49 AM PDT

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      •  I will. I was actually thinking the same thing. (1+ / 0-)
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        I'm also not the most tech savvy person so maybe I clicked on something incorrectly. :)

        Again, the voice mail announcement confirmed my number, said they would call within the next few days, and that since I called before open enrollment ended, I could still enroll.

        Pretty reassuring if you ask me. "OK you have a problem? Don't worry! We'll get back to you & square this away. Just sit tight" essentially. Compare THAT to the runarounds & gobbledygook I used to get from my old cable company (Optimum). THAT was a fucking nightmare compared to THIS!

        A village can not reorganize village life to suit the village idiot.

        by METAL TREK on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 09:37:02 AM PDT

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        •  Good as being the last day to sign up, I thought (0+ / 0-)

          the site would be very, very busy.

          Did you just decide to sign up at the last minute? But I should not ask as that is none of my business...but if you want to share, it might shed light on why so many waited to sign up.

          I do know someone who just signed up yesterday as they lost their job last week and they now need insurance.

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          by wishingwell on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 10:03:08 AM PDT

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          •  Sheer laziness on my part wishingwell (1+ / 0-)
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            I'll admit I should have done it sooner. Then again, I also work odd hours and Monday afternoons are actually convenient for me, as it turns out. I would have done it over the weekend but I got my kids unexpectedly at the last minute this past weekend (divorced dad) so I spent time with them.

            Still, I'm registered in the system & once they call me back, I'll be good to go.

            A village can not reorganize village life to suit the village idiot.

            by METAL TREK on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 11:23:59 AM PDT

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            •  I am that way every year with taxes, even though (0+ / 0-)

              we usually get a refund, I just put it off because I hate winter and going for the appointment with HR Block and so on. I put it off and just now getting it done this week.  

              I also have medical tests that are overdue. I tell the doctor every year that I will not go for preventative tests in the winter months as we end up cancelling too much due to bad weather ( and we got an awfully bad winter in the northeast, storm after storm. )

              I always have more energy when the days get warmer and longer. We liked doing all our preventative tests and dental visits spring and summer.

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              by wishingwell on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 04:32:20 PM PDT

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  •  Off topic a bit but is there a website (0+ / 0-)

    Or blog or something where ppl can go and see if they are getting hosed by their insurance agent. I had 2 ppl say how astronomically high their rates got I just don't know enough to tell them that it was not possible.

    •  Is their policy through an employer? I ask because (0+ / 0-)

      we were told to talk to HR or corporate about why premiums increase or plans change or etc and often HR or corporate has those numbers, figures, information.

      Are these plans on the exchange?  

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      by wishingwell on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 09:27:34 AM PDT

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    •  If they are in the individual market (1+ / 0-)
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      you could direct them to the Healthcare.gov page that allows you to look at plans without signing up for anything.  That might help.  If you're just looking for premium estimates without subsidies enter a really high income.

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