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The Minority Republicans in the Minnesota House are attempting a de facto fillibuster by tying up debate on the Safer Schools Act.  The bill has already passed the State Senate. Since the motion is to concur, it is expected to pass the House and be signed by the Governor Mark Dayton.

Minnesota State Rep. Mary Franson was quick to stand up for the rights of the Religious Right to impose their religious beliefs upon those they do not like for their "lifestyle".



But Republican critics call the bill (HF826) social engineering, and worse. They are comparing the tougher law to Hitler, Duck Dynasty, and George Orwell’s dystopian novel “1984.”
Fascism, Minnesota style,” said Rep. Mary Franson (R–Alexandria).”HF826 is simply another attack on the Bible and conservative Christians.

GOP lawmakers say free speech is getting bullied, by a national gay rights lobby. That’s because the bill specifically defines bullying to include attacks on a student’s sexual orientation or gender identification.

Glen Gruenhagen, another Conservative Rep brought forth an argument about Kinsey and perversion:
“That is a direct pipeline for this type of perverted curriculum which, if you showed it to a child 10 years old outside a public school grounds, you could be charged with obscenity crimes,” said Rep. Glenn Gruenhagen (R-Glencoe).
Other arguments brought forward by the MNGOP involve perversion, Kinsey, Hitler, Hogan's heroes, the Salem Witch Trials, and George Orwell.  

The serious matter at hand is there are thousands of students who are bullied at school.  Many State administrators are not properly equipped to deal with new technology issues, such as cyber bullying. A few students have committed suicide over the bullying.

DFL Rep Ryan Winkler has lived tweeted the 7+ hour debate with some witty snarky tweets.

Snarking in the point of view as a GOP'er:

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  •  As of 10:53pm CDT.... (7+ / 0-)

    ... the debate is still going.

    The ballot box must NEVER be used as a tool of oppression.

    by vikingrob on Tue Apr 08, 2014 at 08:53:33 PM PDT

  •  Are We Talking About The Kind Of Christians.... (9+ / 0-)

    like Louisiana Republican Rep Vance McAllister who was just caught cheating on his wife & kids w/ his married staffer?

    He won by defending "traditional marriage" & bragging about his 16 year traditional marriage.  Guess he forgot
    about tradition when he was kissing his childhood friend's wife.

    She resigned, & her husband, McAllister's childhood pal,
    said they're getting a divorce now.  Oh gee, another
    "traditional" marriage just bit the dust.

  •  "Mockery follows absurdity." Absolutely perfect. (6+ / 0-)
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    Intheknow, BMScott, eru, Tonedevil, Ahianne, Rogneid

    Wingnut World: where "Noah" is treated as fact and "NOAA" makes stuff up.

    by here4tehbeer on Tue Apr 08, 2014 at 08:58:03 PM PDT

  •  I see... Jesus would be in favor of bullying. (2+ / 0-)
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    Yep... that's the ticket. All that crap about the meek inheriting the earth is just so much bullshit, eh?  The peacemakers can just go get fucked, right? Those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is to be shown the underside of a MN xtian's boot.  The merciful can just have the crap beat out of them. It's all they deserve.

    sheesh... what a mockery of their faith these people have become.

    A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams

    by dougymi on Tue Apr 08, 2014 at 09:39:54 PM PDT

    •  I have to take issue with this. (2+ / 0-)
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      Jesus was a bully in his own right when he threatened whole towns of people with the fate of Sodom and Gomorrah for not welcoming in his disciples to preach. I would say that is not a very good example of meekness, kindness, peacemaking or mercy.  

      Plus, he started all this persecution complex stuff with telling people that they would be martyrs for his cause and name.

      And don't forget the poor fig tree!

      It helps to read ALL of what is in those texts or you end up with a skewed view of this character.  He was not all goodness and light, and he was not very ecumenical.  

      In fact, it could be said that these right wing GOP religionists are pretty much in line with a side of Jesus's character.

      •  Of course you do. (2+ / 0-)
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        In order:

        Jesus was a bully in his own right when he threatened whole towns of people with the fate of Sodom and Gomorrah for not welcoming in his disciples to preach.
        If you read the ENTIRE verse, you find something rather different. Here's the entirety of Mark 6:11, from the KJV:
        And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
        Jesus isn't threatening them with anything at the moment, and he's specifically telling his disciples to "just walk away," becuase ultimately it's up to God to pass judgment. Sure, that's strong rhetoric, but I don't consider it bullying, especially since he isn't saying it TO the people in question.  (Am I bullying Chris Christie if I say, "wow, Christie's being a jerk - he's going to get his comeuppance someday" to someone here in Kentucky?)

        2) The Greek word translated as 'persecute' has a range of meanings in the original Greek:

        to make to run or flee, put to flight, drive away
            to run swiftly in order to catch a person or thing, to run after
                to press on: figuratively of one who in a race runs swiftly to reach the goal
                to pursue (in a hostile manner)
            in any way whatever to harass, trouble, molest one
                to persecute
                to be mistreated, suffer persecution on account of something
            without the idea of hostility, to run after, follow after: someone
            metaph., to pursue
                to seek after eagerly, earnestly endeavour to acquire
        Note that the lead defnition is simply "to make to run or flee, put to flight, drive away."  It should also be noted that other Scripture references make a clear distinction between persecution, imprisonment and death (see Luke 11:49, Luke 21:12, John 5:16); this would tend to support an interpretation with the milder lead definition of "put to flight, drive away."

        So, while most of us have certainly imparted a substantially more painful meaning to "persecute" in modern English--and I certainly agree that FAR too many folks on the fundamentalist side of things preach a persecution complex--I don't know that we can say the same of what we consider the oldest or 'original' manuscripts.

        It helps to read ALL of what is in those texts or you end up with a skewed view of this character.
        On that point, we are in complete agreement.

        The word "parent" is supposed to be a VERB, people...

        by wesmorgan1 on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 07:49:18 AM PDT

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        •  heh... (0+ / 0-)
          Am I bullying Chris Christie if I say, "wow, Christie's being a jerk - he's going to get his comeuppance someday" to someone here in Kentucky?
          chris christie would have people believe that you're bullying him if you called him a jerk. He's made that quite clear. If one calls a publican a name (any publican at all. doesn't matter who it is, what they're called,  where it happens or time of day when it happens) then they're a bully.

          A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams

          by dougymi on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 09:22:14 AM PDT

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        •  Bottom line.... (0+ / 0-)

          Jesus believed in eternal torture/punishment and made that very clear not only in conversation but in parables. He said that those who believe and are baptized will be saved and those who don't will be damned (no ecumenical spirit there). He believed in a "holy ghost" and said that those who blasphemed against this ghost will never be forgiven. Even John the Baptist said that Jesus will separate people into good and bad and the "chaff" will be "burned with unquenchable fire".  If Jesus didn't agree with this characterization, he didn't correct John. Jesus also said many times that you MUST believe in him in order to have eternal life.  That is not an inclusive progressive view of the world.  It's exclusionary.  

          So you can parse words and meanings of words all you want.  But the basic messages of this character, while sometimes kind and open, are fraught with ideas (like hell and salvation) that I find immoral.

      •  personally I'd call that immaterial. (0+ / 0-)

        I've sat through enough sermons about the Beatitudes to know that they are a special part of xtianity. Basically the central tenets of the faith, while Mark 6:11 is a minor text.  If they profess to be xtian, then they know the Beatitudes and they believe the Beatitudes and supporting bullying is pretty much the opposite of what the Beatitudes says.  

        While I don't disagree with you that Jesus had some bad traits, (clearing the temple of the moneychangers violently could be described as bullying behavior, depending on who you talked to. The kochs and rmoney would call it that, I think, at least in private) the point is that the followers of christ are not paying attention to their own faith and are, in fact, quite hypocritical.  No great surprise to me, considering that I call myself irreligious, but also no surprise to anyone who has followed the antics of the right wing.  

        A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams

        by dougymi on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 09:18:38 AM PDT

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        •  The basic reason why we could go back (1+ / 0-)
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          and forth all day on the characteristics of Jesus is because he is a mythological character and his nature depended on which guy was writing about him in their allegories, and what "lessons" they wanted the reader to take from the story.

          So when people use Jesus or his reported sayings to bolster an argument or to criticize the other camp within Xtianity, everybody is right and everybody is wrong because both sides of this character are supported by those texts.

          So everyone is hypocritical when it comes to the meaning of Christianity because there IS no definitive meaning.

    •  Speaking of Noah (1+ / 0-)
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      Didn't Jesus's dad - "Gawd" - drown all those folks??

      That has to be the epitome of bullying.

      Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. Frank Zappa

      by Da Rock on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 07:18:07 AM PDT

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  •  typical example of linguistic inversion where (2+ / 0-)
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    language is pretzeled to the point of being meaningless.  The best example I have seen recently was an evangelist exhorting the faithful to be judgmental and to militantly force their worldview upon the rest of us.  He thundered that bigotry has been given a bad rap by atheists and others when bigotry is the foundation of Western civilization.  Without militant bigotry to sustain our faith, we would have long ago been conquered by the unbelieving foreign hordes.

    He then pointed out that if bigotry is wrong, then people who are prejudiced against bigots are actually practicing bigotry themselves.  Welcome to the Palin Dictionary of the American Language    

  •  To state one concern I have about the bill (0+ / 0-)

    "Zero tolerance" in schools related to weapons have
    resulted younger students being suspended for things like pointing the pointer finger at another student and
    saying "bang bang".

    In listening to the debate- it seems like they tried to leave a balance where the local districts get to determine what is
    "bullying" based on a framework determined by the State.

  •  If anyone is being bullied in American (1+ / 0-)
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    schools, it is children of atheist families and students who are atheists.  LOTS of evidence of that.  I hear stories from out local schools quite often. And the teachers don't do anything about it.  In fact, many of them are using their classrooms for proselytizing.

  •  I listened to the debate for a couple of hours (0+ / 0-)

    The presented opposition to the bill by the righties was due to issues with parental involvement, data privacy, and
    encouragement of sexual deviant behaviors upon students (not in the bill)

    Ironically, some GOP members argued there was too much state control, while others in the same party argued the definitions were not tight enough- too much local control.

    I think, however,  the real crux of the opposition to the bill was in fact to protect people of right wing religious views from punishment if they go all "Westboro Baptist" upon fellow students.

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