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The latest evidence that Clinton Derangement Syndrome is very much alive?  Two prominent wingers claim that Hillary staged Thursday's incident in Las Vegas in which a woman hurled a shoe at her.

First up--Rush Limbaugh.  He claims that in his subconscious, he thinks it was staged because "I know these people so well."  He speculates that it was an attempt to make the Benghaaaazi crowd look bad.

Later that day, Bernard Goldberg had one of his bloggers, Arthur Louis, pen a piece roughly along the same lines as Rush's screed from earlier.  Louis thinks that the accused shoe-thrower, Allison Ernst, was a Hillary plant.

There is a political axiom, I believe first posed by Euclid or Archimedes, that when Hillary does something, or when something happens to her, she has carefully calculated it beforehand. This is almost always true, the one trivial exception being the nomination and election of Barack Obama in 2008.

So it would not be stretching logic to suppose that Hillary arranged to have the shoe thrown at her. Remembering the Bush incident, she may have calculated that this would make her seem presidential. This would explain why Ms. Ernst was not pounded to a pulp by Hillary’s bodyguards, and why she seems on the verge of getting off scot free. Don’t be too surprised, the next time you visit Phoenix, if you see her sitting at a table in a downtown Hillary for President store front, stuffing and sealing envelopes.

Limbaugh and Goldberg/Louis' sole "evidence" is that just because it was Hillary, it had to be fake.  Yeah, okay.  Unless they can do better than that, I can't think of any response more appropriate than "You're despicable."

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  •  All Hillary has to do to "stage" an attack on her (6+ / 0-)

    is to pop her head up, and the kooks come running. Seriously, there's something about her that makes people completely lose their minds.

    And then there's the woman throwing the shoe!

    Art is the handmaid of human good.

    by joe from Lowell on Tue Apr 15, 2014 at 06:41:34 AM PDT

    •  it's because she's clever and they aren't (6+ / 0-)

      she was quick with those quips, an ad lib feat that is common to her, and a sign of intelligence, and thinking on one's feet, and not being scared of odd flying stuff, and not fearing bats.  

      For a woman to get as far as our girl has, she needs to be a lot smarter, and more knowledgable and with much thicker skin than any fellow, at least any white fellow.  

      It's funny how the wingers don't know they're dumb but do realize that she's a lot smarter than they'd reckoned, or, she set it up and planned those lines ahead of time.

      Rachel was amazed she plays softball. Rachel wasn't a Hillary fan back in 08, and so she doesn't yet know what a feminist our Hillary is.

      She'll be our highest IQ president, and one of two of the most normal ones, the other normal one being Obama.  It must be weird for them, surrounded by divas and fruitcakes and narcissists as they are?  That's maybe why they became friends.

      •  Oh, yeah. Smart, tough, tireless... (3+ / 0-)
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        anna shane, funningforrest, cipher14

        Informed, thoughtful...I really wish Hillary was a little farther to the left ideologically, because she has all kinds of admirable traits that make her a very effective leader.

        Art is the handmaid of human good.

        by joe from Lowell on Tue Apr 15, 2014 at 08:37:25 AM PDT

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        •  she is a little farther to the left (2+ / 0-)
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          funningforrest, Paragryne

          even in 08 she was and now she can be more, since we now want more.   Wait and see, she'll be fun.  

          •  The Wal Mart board member who voted for Iraq? (0+ / 0-)

            Maybe she's been hiding it for a while.

            Art is the handmaid of human good.

            by joe from Lowell on Tue Apr 15, 2014 at 12:13:18 PM PDT

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            •  not for iraq (0+ / 0-)

              that isn't factual, for war authorization and that was the reason that the inspectors were allowed in.  Bush turned a win into a war crime, not Hillary. And Bill warned against invasion, he said if we went in and then later found there were no WMD the dead people wouldn't come back to life.

              It was the worst decision ever since Vietnam, but she didn't make that decision, she wasn't the 'decider.'  

              •  She, in particular, voted for Iraq. (0+ / 0-)

                She was not like John Kerry or John Edwards, who voted for it for political reasons. She was out there banging the drums for Saddam's head.

                I'm not blaming her for Bush's war, but it is an indication of where she stands on foreign policy.

                Art is the handmaid of human good.

                by joe from Lowell on Tue Apr 15, 2014 at 12:27:40 PM PDT

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                •  show me where she was for taking out the (0+ / 0-)

                  inspectors and going to invasion, that is not true.  She supported a big stick, and a credible threat and letting the inspectors finish the job.  

                  •  Did I say anything about inspectors? (0+ / 0-)

                    Nice straw man. "Hillary Clinton didn't do this one thing that other Iraq War supporters did, so she didn't support the Iraq War."

                    Great reasoning.

                    Art is the handmaid of human good.

                    by joe from Lowell on Tue Apr 15, 2014 at 01:27:34 PM PDT

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                    •  how old are you? (0+ / 0-)

                      Bush had planned to invade much earlier than the vote, Rice had said so in interviews the previous March.  Saddam wasn't letting in inspectors, and he would not turn over his documentation and Bush wanted to invade before the spring, before the weather got hot. but he agreed to put it to a vote, although he did not agree to abide by the vote if it were against invasion, he did in personal talks, one with Hillary he said if Saddam allowed inspections then got rid of those weapons (that didn't exist) he wouldn't.  

                      He didn't think he needed authorization. Do you remember Bush and those times?

                      Those who voted for the authorization were in two camps, those who didn't think it would matter and it was politically expedient, like Edwards, and those who didn't want the invasion and voted for the authorization to buy time for inspections.   Then Saddam let them in, to Bush's surprise but not to Hillary's, but Bush pulled them out before they'd completed the job and invaded, later than he'd wanted but before summer. That is the time line.  In real time. I was watching, where were you?

                      She could have fallen on her sword and voted against it, but she would have had to say she did not trust Bush.  And she decided to trust him, and for that she has expressed regret. She hasn't  apologized for voting for war as did Edwards, because she'd been trying to check Bush so he couldn't, but it didn't work.  she 's said she underestimated his obsession.  

                      find something else.  

        •  a person's ideology is a product of their life (1+ / 0-)
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          and if you look at her life what she fought for, and the causes she supported way back beginning with her college days you'll see someone as far left as we can imagine in this nation.

          Now that may not make sense, but if we had made the same effort with President Obama and examined that we would have seen a moderate/centrist in practice guided by a Liberal ideological core.

          One example of her ideological bent is the health plan she proposed. It was comprehensive, pure socialism and off the Left edge of the political spectrum vs a vs. the AHA we have now.

          The recoil from the centrist and right wing was so overwhelming it made her finally rethink her tactics and that's when the publicly pragmatic HRC was born.

          It seems the vast majority of younger Democrats know nothing of her before that time, and to most her pragmatic Senator persona is the real her.

          They fail to realize that you can't be the senator from NY and be the enemy of the financial industry as our financial industry's heart is NYC.

          To be the senator from NY and oppose them makes about as much sense as being the Senator from Texas and opposing the oil industry.

          It might burnish your ideological bonafides, but only as a non-office holding, fringe nutcase in each state LOL.

          Should she become president, I really believe we will see a rather quick, hard shift to the Left as the true believing feminist HRC comes to fore. The pragmatic HRC will fade away after achieving the goal for which she was created (getting the feminist HRC elected to an office the feminist HRC could never win.)

          Being president would free her of most of the shackles of pragmatism that she had to take on in order to become senator from NY and later SOS for President Obama.

          Being president would be the first time in her office holding career that she'd be answering only to herself.

          And finally being in that position a review of the things she supported in her adult life says, she'll be the most liberal president we've ever had.

  •  I'm no Clinton fan, but -- as usual -- these (4+ / 0-)

    accusations smack of desperation.

    Thanks, CDinNC.

    Where enough money calls the tune, the general public will not be heard. Inso­far as corruption cuts the link between political thought and political action, a free marketplace of political ideas loses its point. -- Justice Stephen Breyer

    by Yasuragi on Tue Apr 15, 2014 at 06:44:08 AM PDT

    •  maybe you'll become her fan (1+ / 0-)
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      funningforrest

      lots of people think they 'know' her from the gossip, but she's really warm and sweet and funny and nice, and normal. People who work for and with her love her, she doesn't take credit for their ideas or their work, she promotes talent, she doesn't have temper tantrums, and she cracks jokes.  She's feminine but she watches ball games and drinks the occasional brew.  She'll be our least depressed president, and least depressing, she takes the job seriously but she hasn't one of those 'male' egos that require butt kissing and not telling the entire truth.

      She's quite refreshing.  You have to get to know her.  You will.  

      •  I don't know why you presume my opinion (2+ / 0-)
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        anna shane, eden4barack08

        is based on gossip.  I neither listen to nor engage in gossip.  

        My opinion is based on her hawkish views (pre-Sec'y of State) and the shameful way in which she allowed her campaign against Obama to be conducted.

        I'm sure what you say is true, but it doesn't change the fact that she's made a great many poor decisions, by my lights.

        Where enough money calls the tune, the general public will not be heard. Inso­far as corruption cuts the link between political thought and political action, a free marketplace of political ideas loses its point. -- Justice Stephen Breyer

        by Yasuragi on Tue Apr 15, 2014 at 09:07:09 AM PDT

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        •  i am sorry (0+ / 0-)

          yes, she does sound more hawkish than one would like, but that is required to be taken seriously as a candidate, she can't be someone who would be 'tested' as soon as elected.

          As far as the primary, she was certainly not shameful.  I was a Hillary blogger right here, and the shame was on the side of sexists, and those who manufactured outrage by misinterpreting her remarks.  Obama was trying to get her to drop out and she would not and that was good for our party, he had lots of practice and it went on so long that everything that could be thrown at him was, before the election it was all answered.

          You really can't think that Michelle Obama would invite Hillary to her own birthday party if those charges that were continuously made against her in the primary were actually true?  And Obama would have gotten her to agree to be SOS? And I do think you may recall how, once it was over, she immediately and effectively campaigned for him?  Teddy Kennedy didn't campaign for Carter, that was before her unheard of.

          That's because she hasn't the big ego, she wants what is best for the nation and for women and children, she isn't on her own trip.

          You can have a fair critique regarding her tough talk. And she did vote for Iraq war authorization, but she did not promote invasion, she didn't cheerlead it as did Edwards, she promoted letting the inspectors complete the job - after that vote they were allowed in as you recall, so the vote did work to get in inspectors?  And she said she was wrong, because she hadn't understood Bush's obsession, that having a big stick and getting what he said he wanted wasn't enough to stop the invasion.  

          Hillary is a team player.  When she's head of the team we can expect thoughtful and effective leadership. That's why both Barrack and Michelle back her presidency?  That should tell you something if your memory has it wrong.

  •  of course, the fact that the lady has a long (4+ / 0-)
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    history of bizarre behavior is totally beside the point in these guys' heads.  OTOH, from some of the lady's statements, I have concluded she is a ditto

  •  I looked for the Snark tag on this and (3+ / 0-)
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    couldn't find it. Euclid or Archimedes?
    They weren't alive at the same time, but that's not relevant, because Hillary wasn't a gleam in anyone's eye when they were living.
    A political 'axiom'.
    These guys were mathematicians, not politicians.
    An axiom has less proof than a theory, using the scientific method. However, if you believe the Earth is 6000 years old an axiom is proof enough!

    "If you tell the truth, you won't have to remember anything", Mark Twain

    by Cruzankenny on Tue Apr 15, 2014 at 06:54:28 AM PDT

  •  So what if she did? (1+ / 0-)
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    funningforrest

    Not that I believe that. If it was planned, they fell into her trap.

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Tue Apr 15, 2014 at 07:08:49 AM PDT

  •  before or after she planned benghazi? (3+ / 0-)
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  •  If that was planned, she would have reacted better (3+ / 0-)
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    Did you see the little dance she did? Clasped hands and hunched shoulders, a little left-right-left swirl... Really weird what people do when they are surprised.

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Tue Apr 15, 2014 at 07:18:28 AM PDT

  •  Everything is a conspiracy, in Wingnuttia (4+ / 0-)

    Except of course, for ACTUAL conspiracies (see; Iraq invasion). Which they'll deny to their dying breaths.

    "I grew up on an Iowa farm castrating hogs!" - Joni Ernst, Iowa Senate candidate (TMI)

    by Fordmandalay on Tue Apr 15, 2014 at 07:25:25 AM PDT

  •  Wingtips of Mass Deception (6+ / 0-)

    Is this what they're claiming? They've gone completely off the deep end.

    I'm no philosopher, I am no poet, I'm just trying to help you out - Gomez (from the song Hamoa Beach)

    by jhecht on Tue Apr 15, 2014 at 07:26:46 AM PDT

  •  their real problem is... (2+ / 0-)
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    That she isn't presidential enough, surely if she was really presidential material she would have pulled out an uzi and put a four round burst in a three inch circle on the ladies forehead.

    They know what it takes to be a "real 'murican" these days.

    [snark]

    Religion is like a blind man, in a pitch black room, searching for a black cat that isn't there.....and finding it.

    by fauxrs on Tue Apr 15, 2014 at 07:26:52 AM PDT

  •  So has the shoe throwing lady made (3+ / 0-)
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    teabaggy statements to the press and such?

    Benghazzzziiiiiiii!

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Tue Apr 15, 2014 at 07:28:14 AM PDT

  •  Sole evidence! = awesome. (3+ / 0-)
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  •  Only in Wingnutistan does being a (4+ / 0-)

    shoe-target make one seem Presidential.

    Our government is not yet small enough to drown in a bathtub. That doesn't mean it can't be waterboarded.

    by furrfu on Tue Apr 15, 2014 at 07:51:54 AM PDT

    •  Why not? It worked for Shrub (4+ / 0-)

      his popularity SOARED right with the shoe that soared past his head.  Then it dropped as quickly as the shoe did.  

      BTW nobody said wing nuts were smart.  

      This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

      by DisNoir36 on Tue Apr 15, 2014 at 08:15:44 AM PDT

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      •  I see Bush as a war criminal (2+ / 0-)
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        funningforrest, Paragryne

        and I think Cheney should be behind bars and not using up other people's hearts, but

        Bush was very funny twice. That shoe thing was hilarious. And one other time, he was talking with his dad and a reporter asked him, what were you and your dad talking about, and Bush goes 'pussy.'  

        He's a dope, and should never been elected to any office, but he does great with ducking lobed shoes.  He seemed prepared, like it wan't the first time. She was totally surprised.  

        •  Oh there was more than those two (1+ / 0-)
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          elmo

          My favorite was when he tried to quickly exit stage left and found a locked door.   photo bushJail-2_zps1b790b8b.jpg

          This photo combines that with your sentiment which I share.  The fucker should be rotting in jail not spending his time painting bad portraits of leaders copying them from pictures on google.

          This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

          by DisNoir36 on Tue Apr 15, 2014 at 09:37:29 AM PDT

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  •  Ms. Ernst was "not pounded to a pulp" (1+ / 0-)
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    anna shane

    because pounding a political heckler to a pulp is what Conservatives, not Progressives, do in their wetdreams of exclusive hegemony.

    "Are there no prisons?  Are there no workhouses?"  --Charles Dickens

    Well, all I can say is that if Limbaugh and Goldberg/Louis are correct, then Hillary Clinton is a master tactician.  She pulled this one off like clockwork.  Perfect timing, perfect throw, perfect dodge, perfect scapegoat.  Perfection personified.

    Heh.  No wonder Limbarf is upset.  He's realized how damn good Hillary is.

    •  who do you want running against her? (0+ / 0-)

      Each one would bring its own response.   I'd love to see her on stage with Rand, or with Jeb, the others might be too painful to watch.  She's not likely to say no to any debate.  Remember when she did an interview with the WSJ guys, and said about the decision, 'how could I say no, it was so counter-intutitive.'  

      I wonder what it's like to be that smart.

  •  Thanks (0+ / 0-)

    It seems to be a teabagger you have to believe in umpteen irrational things at once.  

    Thing is, despite this ridiculous shit they put out, within the real HRC is still the teenaged United Methodist Youth Leader from the Chicago suburbs who went to the inner city to address issues of poverty and racism.  And that's what they're skeered of.  

    The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. -- John Kenneth Galbraith

    by Kangaroo on Tue Apr 15, 2014 at 09:06:16 AM PDT

  •  Absolutely true. (0+ / 0-)

    The fact that she is still breathing inspires ridiculous attacks, which makes her attackers look like crap flinging monkeys.  But it's her fault.  And of course, when she dies, it will be condemned by her attackers as a plot to gain sympathy.  

    It's an ingenious plan - make your opponents angry by existing, causing them to say stupid things, which makes them look stupid.  It's all her fault because stupid people wouldn't be saying stupid things unless she started it.  Somehow.  I'm guessing she has mastered the Jedi mind trick to make these things happen, because of course, there's no vast right wing conspiracy that would make things up.....

  •  2014 mid-term (2+ / 0-)
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    It has never been more important to rally people to the polls than in this upcoming 2014 mid-term.

    Souls To The Polls is a start, but it has to go well beyond that. We have to stand together - United - as one - and then we can see that "Change" that those on the right - by their own admission - have done all they can to prevent.

    Think about it ... they are so brazen as to actually tell us their plan ... are you familiar with Hitler's Mein Kampf (My Plan)?  Are you familiar with the GOP gathering that took place the day Obama was inaugurated? They met to discuss ways to block every - any - and all that Obama did to assure his failure. It's 100% true, and easily searched for and learned.

    The (Republican) Old White Guard has to go ... even worse, their Goose Stepping upstarts who have sworn pledges to Grover Norquest  - Ayn Rand - The Koch Brothers, and others who would rather rule than represent.

  •  False-flag attacks (0+ / 0-)

    are not only a staple of the RWNJ mindset, they are a real look into what it takes to be a RWNJ.  Do rational people make up that kind of BS,or buy into it? Nope.  But those who see everything as being a battle (and one they are losing), which makes everything fair do buy into it.

    It's sad contemplating what it must be like to live in such a world.

    I am not religious, and did NOT say I enjoyed sects.

    by trumpeter on Tue Apr 15, 2014 at 12:38:54 PM PDT

  •  shoe throwing (1+ / 0-)
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    "Sole" evidence? C'mon!

  •  the Portlandia Crew was filming! (0+ / 0-)

    I'm from Portland, and the first thing that came to my mind was not that it was a plot by Hillary, but that it was a humor attack by the crew of PORTLANDIA.  Imagine the charming and hip impression Hillary would have made if she had suggested that explanation after shoe flew past her ear!

  •  In my opinion (0+ / 0-)

    The shoe thrower should be convicted and spend the rest of her years in federal prison.  This was an attempt on her life and safety.  What if the shoe hit her in the head, frightening to think what could have happened.  I hope the loon enjoys the Graybar Hotel.  

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