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Oklahoma ranks at the bottom of every measure. It's dirt poor. It's people have poor rates of education. Their incomes are low. It's a bad place to live.

Oh, sure.

There are nice folks in Oklahoma and good people, and somehow people do manage to eke out a living. But they are the exception, rather than the rule.

There is no reason that Oklahoma should be so poor. It's not terribly geographically disadvantaged in the modern day of light-speed telecommunication and cheap long-distance travel. Oklahoma gets the same media the rest of the country does and largely, the same quality of Internet service. It's wired. There is no real reason that Oklahoma should not compete with neighboring states for jobs, security and standard of living.

Except that the political system there is determined to keep its people down.

Oklahoma is just one of those places ...

It doesn't provide for its residents.

It doesn't invest in an infrastructure for jobs.

It doesn't help its people get training for the jobs of the future.

It doesn't ... do anything.

It's a place where government thinks its duty is to punish people, rather than cultivate prosperity. And that is why it will always, always be poor.

If you live in Oklahoma, you should probably just move away, because you don't have much of a future. (Or you can rise up and throw these bums out, because you will not get anywhere as long as they are in power.)

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  •  and yet ... two U.S. senators (5+ / 0-)
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  •  Early childhood education? (14+ / 0-)

    Wasn't OK an anomalous early adopter of early childhood education?

    That said, I don't entirely disagree with your diary. Several of the smartest people I know, with the darkest senses of humor, are from Oklahoma. The state seems to produce way more than its share of scientists, lawyers, etc - who reach escape velocity and spend the rest of their lives running from the horror of the right-wing fundamentalist culture that created them, if only through sheer opposition.

    “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

    by ivorybill on Wed Apr 16, 2014 at 06:19:06 AM PDT

    •  Snuck in (11+ / 0-)

      A very clever Democrat snuck that into another bill, and the Republicans didn't understand its meaning.  Now, due to its popularity, there is not enough will to kill it.

      •  I heard about that on This American Life (8+ / 0-)

        Now that it clearly works... there are even Republicans who genuinely like it and they have enough cover from the true crazies to keep it from getting killed.

        I sure wish we could somehow change the political culture of Oklahoma.  I think that even among the fundamentalists there are people who are not by nature cruel. There's no shortage of smart people, even if many are kept ignorant by poor schools and religious rigidity... it just seems like we should do better in these states, that we should somehow be able to start turning the message machine around.

        “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

        by ivorybill on Wed Apr 16, 2014 at 08:48:04 AM PDT

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      •  Sounds like a strategy. nt (2+ / 0-)
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        hnichols, fenway49

        Domestic politics is the continuation of civil war by other means.

        by Visceral on Wed Apr 16, 2014 at 09:34:47 AM PDT

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    •  Now you know why we have such a dark (5+ / 0-)

      sense of humor.

      Constant adversity makes for a twisted psyche.

      "It were a thousand times better for the land if all Witches, but especially the blessing Witch, might suffer death." qtd by Ehrenreich & English. For Her Own Good, Two Centuries of Expert's Advice to Women pp 40

      by GreenMother on Wed Apr 16, 2014 at 11:16:36 AM PDT

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      •  I've always known that... (3+ / 0-)
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        DarkHawk98, GreenMother, hnichols

        Two of the hands-down funniest people I know are from Oklahoma, and the land itself breeds a sort of dry, knowing gallows humor and very quick comic reflexes.

        “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

        by ivorybill on Wed Apr 16, 2014 at 01:18:34 PM PDT

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        •  Well I have learned that I am hilarious, until I'm (2+ / 0-)
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          hnichols, aitchdee

          not.  Also, gallows humor doesn't always translate well online.

          "It were a thousand times better for the land if all Witches, but especially the blessing Witch, might suffer death." qtd by Ehrenreich & English. For Her Own Good, Two Centuries of Expert's Advice to Women pp 40

          by GreenMother on Thu Apr 17, 2014 at 04:33:30 AM PDT

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    •  Yes, on the early childhood education (3+ / 0-)
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      hnichols, aratinga, aitchdee

      One of my friends got her second degree from OSU when she was 80. She drove back and forth from Oklahoma City. She wanted to learn landscape design. I don't remember the exact name but it was about landscaping. :)
      Her husband was translating Homer from Latin to English when he was in his 90s.

      We have a lot of very good musicians and athletes. Look at me, I worked for Willie Nelson during his pot AND tequila days. We got him on the cover of Rollingstone and I laid my ZigZags down and took the "Willie Family" teeshirt off. :) I am actually writing a book now  on a popular aspect of American Indian culture.

       We ain't so shabby! But the state is poor and Mary's refusal of the Medicaid expansion is really going to hurt the poor.

      If I wasn't Bob Dylan, I'd probably think that Bob Dylan has a lot of answers myself. Bob Dylan

      by weezilgirl on Thu Apr 17, 2014 at 12:08:01 AM PDT

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  •  I grew up in oklahome (32+ / 0-)

    I loved it. There were many outdoor parks and great places to camp. There was also many lakes and good places to fish. And, if I could get my kite up above the trees, there was a constant wind and the kite would just take off. I spent all of my allowance on Superman comic books and more string, always more string!

    Went back for the centennial. Took an entire two weeks off. it did not stop raining the entire time I was there. All of the outdoor canyons I wanted to visit where closed. And, every town I visited looked so poor and sad.

    Basically, the land of Will Rogers, which had benefitted from the new deal and rural electrification, was now a vast Teabagger shithole.

    •  Fortunately (4+ / 0-)
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      TomP, realalaskan, blueoasis, hnichols

      ALL those thinks you reminisce about are available in other states as well.  

      This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

      by DisNoir36 on Wed Apr 16, 2014 at 06:38:58 AM PDT

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    •  True true (4+ / 0-)
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      Bonsai66, realalaskan, blueoasis, hnichols

      Simply said

      Born in Oklahoma Raised in Ohio Escaped to Meechigan!!!

      by MI Sooner on Wed Apr 16, 2014 at 07:25:17 AM PDT

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    •  I moved here to go to a specific school in 1979. (2+ / 0-)
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      It was a very Democratic state at the time.  It has since turned into a teabagger's paradise.  Rednecked as hell, and shit-for-brains stupid.  I retired in December and want the hell out.  Unfortunately, my wife still has a few years until she can retire.  I can't wait to get out.  As far as the pre-kindergarten schooling?  That is true, brought on by a Democrat in the early "80"s.  But as far as the economic's, if it weren't for oil, this would probably be the poorest state in the nation.  And the dumbest.

      •  I live here and (1+ / 0-)
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        aitchdee

        I think you got a little carried away on the "shit for brains stupid" and "the dumbest". Have a safe trip

        The Montessori  schools were started in Oklahoma in the 60s. My daughter attended one.

        If I wasn't Bob Dylan, I'd probably think that Bob Dylan has a lot of answers myself. Bob Dylan

        by weezilgirl on Thu Apr 17, 2014 at 12:17:27 AM PDT

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    •  We still have the "Square Hole" to swim (2+ / 0-)
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      hnichols, aitchdee

      in at Big Eagle. My grandchildren and I swam twice a day last summer. We picnicked, skipped rocks and caught crawdads.

       However, if you haven't seen the horrible clear-cutting that Weyerhauser is doing, don't come back. It is truly sickening. The mountains are scarped and the silt has filled the lakes. The herbicides they use are very dangerous. The butterfly population is down and I only had 3 toads in my yard last year. And a Yellow-bellied Eastern Racer ate one of those. I removed the snake  to a new home 3 miles away.

      If I wasn't Bob Dylan, I'd probably think that Bob Dylan has a lot of answers myself. Bob Dylan

      by weezilgirl on Thu Apr 17, 2014 at 12:14:09 AM PDT

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  •  The Oklahoma of my childhood.... (15+ / 0-)

    ... had two liberal Democrats as its Senators -- Fred Harris and Mike Monroney.  What the hell happened after I left?

    •  LBJ passed the Civil Rights Act, I think it was (14+ / 0-)

      Sadly, that seems to have been the turning point for the old Democratic coalition that included the Southern conservative Democrats.

      I like Jonathan Chait's analysis that the underlying mechanism of the current big crisis is that the evil wealthy are exploiting the paralyzing cognitive dissonance of otherwise good conservatives being unable to process, resolve, or even acknowledge the conflict between their need to see themselves as good people and their deep-seated, unaddressable racism.

      Bringing this conflict to a head was always, I think, something we had to do someday. Someday just happens to have turned out to be now.

      Unfortunately we're re-fighting the battles of the civil rights era AND the gilded age AND the climate change crisis, all at once, with the new information privacy wars added in, and nuclear terrorism hovering in the background somewhere.

      We definitely have our work cut out for us. Let's just hope we win. The vast majority of Americans are good, compassionate people. I remain optimistic.

      Namaste.

      •  THIS! (2+ / 0-)
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        Unfortunately we're re-fighting the battles of the civil rights era AND the gilded age AND the climate change crisis, all at once, with the new information privacy wars added in, and nuclear terrorism hovering in the background somewhere.

        "It were a thousand times better for the land if all Witches, but especially the blessing Witch, might suffer death." qtd by Ehrenreich & English. For Her Own Good, Two Centuries of Expert's Advice to Women pp 40

        by GreenMother on Wed Apr 16, 2014 at 11:18:19 AM PDT

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    •  I'll tell you what happened. (1+ / 0-)
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      DarkHawk98

      Oklahoma switched to voting machines that can be hacked and no one is brave enough to call them on it.

    •  Well, for one thing... (0+ / 0-)

      you left.

    •  They both died (0+ / 0-)

      eventually. They were top-notch. The wife of Fred Harris did something good for the schools but I can't remember what. They were loved by the people.

      If I wasn't Bob Dylan, I'd probably think that Bob Dylan has a lot of answers myself. Bob Dylan

      by weezilgirl on Thu Apr 17, 2014 at 12:19:03 AM PDT

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  •  Oklahoma is such an embarassment (19+ / 0-)

    My folks were born there and their folks moved there in the first part of the 1900's.  They lived through the dust bowl and they took care of each other.  They honored FDR and served in war after war after war after war.  They were public school graduates and teachers and committed to their communities.  Oklahoma was not always the self centered, self interested, self aggrandizing, society it has become today.  It is extraordinarily sad to see what has happened to that state and it's people.  And now, in the middle of tornado alley, it's senior senator says we don't need the weather bureaur, the tv stations can do the job.  It is unbelievable and depressing how much that state has lost.  Was it oil?  Was it Kerr McGee?  Was it El Paso Oil and Natural Gass?  Was it the legacy of Custer's massacre of the Cheyenne in Western Oklahoma, one of the most brutal episodes in the treatment of the indian population I have ever read (see this Daily Kos article:  http://bit.ly/...).  My father left in the 50's and we ended up in Washington, DC where he was offered a job in South Carolina.  I remember asking: "why didn't you take that?"  and he said  "I would never work for Strom Thurmond."  But he left, we all left, and what's left behind is an embarassment to the history and people of the state.

    Dirigiste vs Free Mkt -6.25/ Libertarian vs Authoritarian -4.72

    by bob in ny on Wed Apr 16, 2014 at 07:30:59 AM PDT

  •  yes, oklahoma - land of my birth (14+ / 0-)

    and my parents' birth and my chickasaw grandma's birth (1870's)...today it's doomed by a willful ignorance born of poisonous religious beliefs and a nasty inferiority complex

    i go back occasionally to pay my respects at the family plot in garvin county, eat a piece of pie, and escape across the border into new mexico

  •  This diary seems factually incorrect. (11+ / 0-)
    Oklahoma ranks at the bottom of every measure. It's dirt poor. It's people have poor rates of education. Their incomes are low. It's a bad place to live.
    Oklahoma's GDP is solidly middle of the pack, in front of several Blue states.

    Oklahoma's position in ranked per capita income is significantly lower, but still hardly the lowest in the United States.

    Oklahoma's in the bottom 20% of states in terms of education, which isn't good, but isn't near to the very bottom either.

    As long as Mississippi is still around, most states are safe from being the bottom of any given ranking.

    •  Thanks for some interesting comparisons. (7+ / 0-)
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      Bluefin, prfb, kurt, Conium, hbk, aratinga, fenway49

      It's a bit curious that Oklahoma is middle of the pack in GDP (i.e. overall production), but in the bottom 10 states both in per capita income and in education.

      Makes you wonder, what's happening to the economic benefits from all that production?  Perhaps the role of major oil companies is part of the picture.

      •  then and now (3+ / 0-)
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        My great grandparents moved from Iowa to OK as homesteaders -  during the dust bowl years I think - and of course had no idea the drought would last so long. Later, after living in a tent for one year while the barn was being built (a farmer/rancher always takes good care of his vital livestock first) - then the house was built. Later my great grand was named Oklahoma farmer of the year.
        As an eyewittness and listening carefully, I have strong feelings this OK hateful selfishness began with the white settlers battling the Federals over the Native Americans land grants and other favors issued to the Native peoples. My great g. Dad hated!! these -what he considered giveaways! For the most part all white Oklahoma people treated the Native Americans just terrible.
        Maybe that nastiness got in their blood?
        Now I live in Nebraska and its almost identical to Oklahoma in this "we are superior" to anyone down on his luck. Not many handouts around this State.

    •  GDP may be the middle of the pack (4+ / 0-)
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      But it doesn't funnel down to the ordinary guy.  If it weren't for the high pay of the oil industry, it would rank much lower.  The oil industry here is an inflator of the
      GDP.  There are probably as many minimum wage jobs here, per capita, as there are in TX.  The state sucks.  Pure and simple.  As does the Republican controlled legislature.  As a 30+ year resident, I can't recommend this state to anyone with brain.  Gov. Mary Fallin just signed a bill that no city in the state may override the federal minimum wage and pay higher than $7.25 an hour.

    •  It is incorrect. (0+ / 0-)

      This is fucking bash Oklahoma week.

      If I wasn't Bob Dylan, I'd probably think that Bob Dylan has a lot of answers myself. Bob Dylan

      by weezilgirl on Thu Apr 17, 2014 at 12:22:02 AM PDT

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  •  How 'bout Idaho where . . . . (9+ / 0-)

    the state motto is "At least we're not Mississippi . . . yet".  Thank the continued GOP domination which refuses to fund education, which would increase the Dems chances.

    Live simply, live fully. (-6.00, -6.92)

    by Idaho Guy on Wed Apr 16, 2014 at 08:25:23 AM PDT

  •  Failed States and a Second Reconstruction Era? (8+ / 0-)

    Oklahoma (which, let's be honest, is just about the textbook definition of a failed state) is a very good argument for having a Second Reconstruction Era.

    Perhaps it's time to start setting minimum requirements for each state in the Union, with those that can't (or won't) meet them reverted back into territories instead, under direct supervisory repair at the Federal level.

    "If you are still playing for Team Republican and want to have any honor whatsoever, you need to leave the Republican Party now, apologize to America, and work to remove it from our political system." - Brad DeLong

    by radabush on Wed Apr 16, 2014 at 08:42:41 AM PDT

  •  Hmm (2+ / 0-)
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    Bluefin, aratinga

    Since Doplahoma is such a shit hole I think it would be a great place to incarcerate all the convicts in the country. It could be our own Australia. We just fence the whole damn state off and voila. Doplahoma, the fun park for Rethuglicans.

    •  Kansas would be a better choice... (1+ / 0-)
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      aratinga

      ...as it already has a significant Rethuglican infestation, and establishing the Kansas Quarantine would be easier than moving them elsewhere.

      "If you are still playing for Team Republican and want to have any honor whatsoever, you need to leave the Republican Party now, apologize to America, and work to remove it from our political system." - Brad DeLong

      by radabush on Wed Apr 16, 2014 at 09:51:56 AM PDT

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    •  Wouldn't be fair to the Native Americans. (3+ / 0-)
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      Conium, hbk, aratinga

      There are alot of tribes there, thanks to good ole Andy Jackson.  Remember, Oklahoma was supposed to be Indian Land.  No whites were supposed to go there.  We shipped natives from all around the country there.  They have been kicked around enough.

    •  You've misspelled it. I tshould be Doh!klahoma. (1+ / 0-)
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      aratinga

      Homer Simpson would feel right at home here.  Corporate Oligarchs in charge, corporate shills in high positions? Check.  

    •  I'm sick of this crap. (0+ / 0-)

      Where do you live? Florida? New Jersey? Mississippi? Tennessee? Louisiana? Nevada? Arkansas? Missouri? Kansas? Alabama? Texas?

      If I wasn't Bob Dylan, I'd probably think that Bob Dylan has a lot of answers myself. Bob Dylan

      by weezilgirl on Thu Apr 17, 2014 at 12:25:08 AM PDT

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  •  the New Dealers just came in and built things (2+ / 0-)
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    Bluefin, Conium

    They didn't ask the sodbusters or the hillbillies if they wanted the 20th Century, because both of them would probably have said no ... and you'd be a fool to give ignorant people a say.

    Domestic politics is the continuation of civil war by other means.

    by Visceral on Wed Apr 16, 2014 at 09:43:32 AM PDT

  •  decades of mineral extraction with inadequate (1+ / 0-)
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    aratinga

    royalties paid? I don't know much about this, except that I went to college on family money that came (I was told) from a highly profitable oil well in Oklahoma.

    I'm always skeptical about explanations for poverty that rely on cultural differences or stupidity, rather than on variations on colonialism (or theft) -- resources being taken, or other economic activity in full swing, but the benefits go to some small group of oligarchs (often located elsewhere) instead of to the locals.

  •  Don't forget Oklahoma's past... (3+ / 0-)
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    A huge number of Oklahomans were/are Native American because a ton of tribes were moved to "Indian Territory" from their original home areas. Those Oklahomans had no civil rights to speak of until after WW II. Did you know that American Indians in many places could not vote until then? The fundamentlist white folks in Oklahoma had seventy five years practice at ignoring social justice, education, etc. because a huge component of their population could not vote and were the "wards" of a Federal agency. That's not the only reason for Okies social backwardness but it sure helped.

  •  Your title could also have been ... (0+ / 0-)

    ... Morons - Why Oklahoma Will Always Be A Poor State.

    OF COURSE the New Right is wrong - but that doesn't make WRONG the new RIGHT!

    by mstaggerlee on Wed Apr 16, 2014 at 12:45:18 PM PDT

  •  radabush, I think (1+ / 0-)
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    aratinga

    some reading needs to be done on the contracts by which some a these states entered, or re-entered, the Union.
    I think a "New Reconstruction" policy by our national government would be the very thing.
    If the bottom two states were targeted every year by a big influx of education money, and a big targeted enforcement of existing voter, environmental, and social justice laws, the whole place could be brought up to some 21st century standard in a decade or so.
    Time for you to start the New Reconstruction Movement, and I'll join.

    I buy and sell well trained riding mules and American Mammoth Jack Stock.

    by old mule on Wed Apr 16, 2014 at 01:05:45 PM PDT

  •  Another fine example of Republican Leadership (1+ / 0-)
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    weezilgirl

    How come republicans stay in office when they misbehave like they do in Oklahoma?  

    The rest of the country needs to see how badly republicans  manage a government, this display would doom the party of racists, women haters, gay haters, voter haters, government haters (except when it helps them), and the list goes on and on.

    This isn't my fathers republican party it has been hijacked by fascists.

  •  Um, no (2+ / 0-)
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    I will not be moving away.  It is not a bad place to live.  I make a decent salary though its pruchasing power is declining since we no longer get raises.  Yes, there are poor people in rural areas and in parts of the urban areas ... Just like the rest of America!  

    We have issues just like other states - our legislature is in the pocket of big money and increasingly don't care if anyone knows it:  It's now illegal for a local government to mandate a wage higher than the federal minimum or mandate sick days or vacation and it's now legal for an electric utility to charge you extra if you have PV panels.  Personally, I thank dog every day that we have a part-time legislature because it limits the damage they can inflict.

    But this is not unlike any other state.

    Yes, my income tax declines as the sales tax continues to rise.  Eventually, Oklahoma will figure out that if you reduce taxes you reduce services and that reducing service (and especially education) doesn't, in fact, attract jobs to the state.  

    But really, this is not unlike any other state.  

    Someone has to be at the bottom of the list but thanks to Mississippi, we are not #50 in most things and I, for one, take pride that we are only 48th or 49th in many categories.  


    (Ironically, we have property-tax-funded multi-county library systems that are really good - borrow a book for your Kindle?  Sure, why not?  Live out in the sticks with no internet connectivity?  Sure, come in and use our systems.)

    (I also have DSL, but because it's provided by a wireline monopoly, service is crappy and cost is high -- just like any other state -- but there is now a WiMax provider that promises to triple my bandwidth so I'll probably dump the DSL.)

  •  Oklahoma (3+ / 0-)
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    I've been from New England to Florida. New York City to Los Angeles. Canada to Mexico. I live in Oklahoma. Us "Okies" kind of like our state the way it is. The pace is a little slower, but we like it that way. The air is a little cleaner, and we like it that way. The government doesn't do a lot of things, but we like that also.

    When a disaster strikes, we just get on with the putting it back together again. Not sitting around crying cause the government didn't show up till a month later, if at all.

    People come to Oklahoma and tend to stay.

    We may not be the richest state in the nation but there's more to living than money. We are rich in so many ways that really count.

  •  I live here. (1+ / 0-)
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    meinoregon

    You're right.

  •  I am one of those people! (2+ / 0-)
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    aratinga, meinoregon

    It took me until my late 20's to understand that if I stayed in Oklahoma...I would NEVER be able to make more than minimum wage (if that) and NEVER do anything more than jobs (slave labor) would allow me to do. Ended up finding someone online who put me up in Arizona until I could get on my feet. Several months later...I had the life I would have never had or have in Oklahoma. Living in Colorado now after 20+ years after leaving this hellhole of the Bible Noose...I at least had the future I and others should have been able to have in Oklahoma...but never will.

  •  a long reply (2+ / 0-)
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    bluenick, chancew

    Oklahoma's history is deep, deep blue, and any claim that its government doesn't work in the interests of the people is only as true as it is for any other state post-2010 and post-citizens united.

    Read my long reply - too much to post in the comments.

  •  Okeys (1+ / 0-)
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    kbrown2225

    Yes remember the Okeys in the great movie ( Grapes of Wrath ) The only people that would help them were the W.P.A. Most of the states did not want them around. I think many have forgot about that time in the 1930s.

  •  It's the "Grapes of Wrath' (0+ / 0-)

    all over again!

    Time sets all things right. Error lives but a day. Truth is eternal. - General James Longstreet

    by kbrown2225 on Wed Apr 16, 2014 at 11:23:43 PM PDT

  •  Bink (0+ / 0-)

    your diary with it's inaccuracies will be the reason that I will never read another one about Oklahoma. I live here.  

    If I wasn't Bob Dylan, I'd probably think that Bob Dylan has a lot of answers myself. Bob Dylan

    by weezilgirl on Thu Apr 17, 2014 at 12:31:34 AM PDT

    •  I live here too (0+ / 0-)

      but this place sucks. Have you seen the Newsok website today with the three clowns vying for Tom Coburn's senate seat? They are truly the worst of the worst when it comes to hateful narrow minded bigots. There isn't an intellectual thought among them, they simply repeat the Tea Party/Koch talking points just like the governor does.

      This state is in the iron grip of politicians who are determined to pillage it for the benefit of the one percenters. I am completely disgusted every day that I get up and read about more of their craven bigotry.

  •  Shared from a blogger (0+ / 0-)

    "Oklahoma legislature trying to stick it to Oklahoma schools! Wake up Oklahoma - MUST READ: "The problem with this diversion is that charter school laws as they have been enacted in several states have allowed charters to incur debt, and then close, file for bankruptcy, and leave the taxpayers to clean up the mess."Thanks to Linda Pearson Sippel for the heads up!" brettdickerson.wordpress.com/2014/04/10/bill-allowing-charter-school-debt-threatens-education-funds-in-oklahoma/

    Those funding climate change denial commit crimes against humanity. It's the planet, stupids!

    by tsunami on Thu Apr 17, 2014 at 05:50:38 PM PDT

  •  Give it back (0+ / 0-)

    it belongs to the Indians and promises broken will haunt the land of the red men still.

  •  i used to live in Norman (0+ / 0-)

    High quality of life,

    lots of culture,

    Very affordable.

    Nice people

    2.5 hours drive to Dallas for weekends in the big city.

    40 minute drive to OKC for stuff there.

    The real problem is the Industry is all FROGs
    (Farming, Ranching Oil & Gas).  All these commodity
    led industry with pricing set in Chicago.

    THe future is poor if Fossil energy collapses and
    climate change deplrives them of farming/ranching.

    Right now most of the west is slaughtering cattle.

    Water in short supply, Feed is pricy.  

    if the weather gets into permanent drought and you
    can't grow wheat or soybeans, well then
    what.

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