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  •  Now THAT is a scandal. (16+ / 0-)

    Who the actual fuck thinks Crossroads GPS should be tax exempt?

    "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

    by raptavio on Thu Apr 17, 2014 at 02:59:26 PM PDT

  •  Toss tack in front of their waaahmbulance... n/t (6+ / 0-)

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Thu Apr 17, 2014 at 03:02:13 PM PDT

  •  Lois Lerner, the most powerful woman in (9+ / 0-)

    the western world.  Perhaps Hilary will give her the nod as VP running mate so the entire GOP candidate bench will be wearing Depends.
    It's not just possible but probable that the IRS was tipped off about the questionable and tax-exempt disqualifying activities of some of these rightwing money funneling operations.

    Building a better America with activism, cooperation, ingenuity and snacks.

    by judyms9 on Thu Apr 17, 2014 at 03:15:17 PM PDT

  •  "Harry Reid Stealing Bundy Ranch For China!!!" (2+ / 0-)
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    A diary on Fox and Lou Dobbs pushing the CT that Harry Reid is conspiring with "the Chinese government" to steal the Bundy ranch.

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. -Pascal

    by bernardpliers on Thu Apr 17, 2014 at 03:27:41 PM PDT

    •  Really? (6+ / 0-)

      It boggles my mind what strange conspiracy theories these guys come up with.  It takes imagination, I have to give them that.  But it's such a ridiculous stretch.  Having said that, I know that Foxheads will take it seriously because they have no "tilt" mechanism in their brains. For you youngsters, pinball machines had a built-in mechanism that ended your game and flashed a big "TILT" message on the board to show you'd shaken the game so much you were cheating.  Now, should I explain what a pinball machine was?  I'm SO old!

      •  Don't feel bad (2+ / 0-)

        I had to explain to a young waitress tonight who Jerry Lewis was. Glad I didn't mention Deano and the Rat Pack.

      •  PaulMcCartney (0+ / 0-)
        For you youngsters, pinball machines had a built-in mechanism that ended your game and flashed a big "TILT" message on the board to show you'd shaken the game so much you were cheating.  Now, should I explain what a pinball machine was?  I'm SO old!
        "You mean Paul McCartney was in a band before Wings?"
             -- young kid in Colorado Springs, Colorado

        Betcha betcha betcha you know what a vacuum tube is, too!  

        ;-)

        "It's high time (and then some) that we put an end to the exceptionalistic nonsense floating around in our culture and face the fact that either the economy works for all, or it doesn't work AT all." -- Sean McCullough (DailyKos user thanatokephaloides)

        by thanatokephaloides on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 03:04:51 PM PDT

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  •  Seriously (13+ / 0-)

    I have seen Conservatives claim that they lost in 2012 because of IRS scrutiny of Conservative non-profit groups filing for tax exempt status.

    Let that sink in.

    The GOP lost a political contest, because groups which seek tax-exempt status on the basis of not being primarily political were subject to extra scrutiny to determine whether they were primarily political.

    I didn't know what to say in the face of such awe-inspiring cognitive dissonance.

    •  You probably already know this but a reader or two (11+ / 0-)

      may not yet be aware that the law as it is actually written says that groups must be EXCLUSIVELY, not just primarily, nonpolitical or apolitical.  Some as-yet unnamed government worker. a while back, modified the law as it is implemented to replace the word "exclusively" with the word "primarily" which makes the law pretty much worthless, in my opinion, as it leaves it to the individual investigator how much political involvement amounts to "too much."

      It is Lawrence O'Donnell, the host of "The Last Word," who knew that this change had been made and was focusing on that change in words while Issa's inquisition of the IRS was underway.  He worked in the government years ago. He is intimately familiar with that law and its convenient "word revision."  

      Efforts to get Issa the Imbecile to focus on that revision have been met with adamant refusal to even address that aspect of the matter, while he insists on trying to find a nonexistent scandal that he can pin on our president.
       

      •  What about moveon.org? (0+ / 1-)
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        moveon.org for sure doesn't meet your litmus test for being EXCLUSIVELY nonpolitical.

        The rules have been bent to the point that open and notorious breaking of the rules is commonplace.  And then, the most absurd and lopsided enforcement is suddenly undertaken by an Obama administration which is no saint, either.  Every Tea Party or "Patriot" group in the nation was being attacked by the Obama administration through the tool of the IRS, while democrat front groups like moveon.org were left completely alone.  Both sides of the political spectrum abuse the same laws.  Obama should crack down on ALL of them; otherwise, it simply looks like the political gotcha that it is, rather than a legitimate enforcement of the law.    Its sort of like that renegade cattle rancher guy in Nevada; Obama can send a small army to enforce the man's refusal to pay a silly grazing fee, but at the same time, Obama can't find even one police officer to arrest an illegal alien.  [The level of "crime" is similar -- both are on land that they have no legal authority to be on.]

        •  Moveon.org wouldn't qualify under the statute (5+ / 0-)

          The statute required that groups have an exclusively civic, not political, purpose. An administrator, years ago, pushed a regulation that changed that to a predominantly civic purpose. For years since then, the rules haven't really been enforced. Groups that are primarily political have been granted tax exempt status.

          For some reason, one IRS office decided to start enforcing the rules. There's no evidence it came from higher up. And no, not every Tea Party or "Patriot" group was being "attacked". Only the ones that were applying for tax exempt status had their applications looked at more closely than they would have under the lax rules. A lot of liberal groups also had their applications scrutinized, and no Tea Party or "Patriot" groups had their applications denied.

          But the current state of affairs, where the law as written, the regulation as promulgated, and the actual de facto enforcement are all completely different, cannot stand. We should either change the law to match the de facto standard, or enforce the law as written.

          Obama didn't harass any Tea Party groups, he didn't send any small army to any cattle ranch (that's just the BLM doing their job), and his administration has just passed TWO MILLION illegal aliens deported.

          Who's the Real Deporter-in-Chief, Bush or Obama?

          ... the total number of deportations during Obama’s tenure recently passed 2 million.

          La majestueuse égalité des lois, qui interdit au riche comme au pauvre de coucher sous les ponts, de mendier dans les rues, et de voler du pain.

          by dconrad on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 02:17:07 PM PDT

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        •  Thank goodness me112233 is/are already BOJO. (3+ / 0-)

          Saves having to bless your RW heart with another donut(s).

        •  Wot? No ACORN??? nt (1+ / 0-)
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          " a path, not a model." -Henri Lefebvre

          by Free Jazz at High Noon on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 03:50:07 PM PDT

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        •  absolutely false (3+ / 0-)

          A very small number of organizations, across the political spectrum, came under extra review to determine if they were purely political. Since they can't look at everyone because of budget restrictions, they take a quick look at things like the group's name and mission statement. If that makes it look like it's really a political group, they're looked at more closely -- or, until the political firestorm ignited by the falsely alleged anti-conservative review bias made them not look at any groups too closely.

          Only one group lost its status. It's a progressive group.

          Note, also, that all of this isn't about the tax-exempt status of the group itself; it's about whether donors can consider their donations charitable donations.

          You can't deduct, for example donations to the Republican Party or the Democrat Party. Why should you be able to deduct donations to something that calls itself the Tea Party and directly supports (and even puts forth) political candidates. Yet, you can, because some of those groups were allowed that status.

        •  You might be able to fool one or two readers (0+ / 0-)

          on the Huffington Post by claiming to be a "former" Democrat....  but not on this site, not for a New York second.  

          You replied to the post of a former Independent/Centrist who is now as far left and liberal as anyone could possibly be, and yet my political opinions are still exactly what they were when I considered myself an independent.  

          It is the blatant sociopathy of the republican party, the utter despicability, and the willingness to say anything, to hurt anyone to serve the ultra wealthy right wing 1% that has moved me from centrist to ultra-liberal and I can assure you, I'll never change back.  

          You couldn't have written any of the comments in your post unless you were and are a right wing troll.  You don't fool anyone who is truly liberal.  Not for a second.  

  •  I thought Rove would have lost all (3+ / 0-)

    credibility after his post election meltdown on FAUX. And the failure of his superpac in electing Thurston. They are still giving him money? No learning by experience on that side?

    Never promote men who seek after a state-established religion; it is spiritual tyranny--the worst of despotism. It is turnpiking the way to heaven by human law, in order to establish ministerial gates to collect toll. John Leland

    by J Edward on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 09:53:30 AM PDT

    •  Credibility, (2+ / 0-)
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      like speech in our modern "democracy," is a function of how much money one has.

      Rove has, or can raise, lots of money and is therefore credible to TPB.

      What he actually says is irrelevant.

      •  I beg to differ (1+ / 0-)
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        I agree that money is involved, money gets you on TV. But as far as credibility goes, it is who can tell the biggest most horrifying lies about Obama. THAT'S what holds the devotee's attention. And that is where the money comes from. The donations pour in after every big lie is told. Look it up, it is amazing. And thinking that Rove will ever lose credibility is a pipe dream. See  sendtheasteroid's post above about the lack of a "tilt" mechanism. Oh no my friend, there is no end to this, only an ongoing display of extreme desperation. And don't think for a second that anything will change when Hillary, or ANY Dem takes the White House form this day forward. They will remain in the trenches, blasting. Their amo is all blanks, the war is over, but those annoying little shits will continue the fight that has no goal.

        There is nothing more exciting than the truth. - Richard P. Feynman

        by pastol on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 08:53:12 AM PDT

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  •  Crossroads (6+ / 0-)

    Here is my dumb question-is anything being done to take away the tax-exempt status Rove's PAC enjoys? I dont know, help me out. HTF the 5 SCOTUS justices(irony) gave us Citizens and McCutcheon is so appalling. Are they actually bought? This country is so fucked until a couple of justices die or retire and a DEMOCRAT POTUS appoints. As long as RW wackos abound we are fucked. Jesus Im sick of this shit, this plutocratic excuse for democracy. We dont have democracy. And Reagan started it. A fucking grade C actor.

    oldenoughtoknowbetter

    by joedennis on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 09:59:48 AM PDT

  •  This 'scandle'... (4+ / 0-)

    is another intentional distraction tactic.  
    I can't come up with a reason NOT to investigate these groups for tax evasion.  Tax evasion is part of their mission statement and they flaunt their tax exempt status even as they blatantly engage in political manipulation.  
    The IRS failing to check these organizations out is akin to letting al queda do whatever it wants.  

    •  it has been done for years (0+ / 0-)

      Did you know your local Farm Bureau is "tax exempt" under the same laws?  But they obviously run and own a humongous insurance company.  You are correct that Rove's organization ought to be audited, but in doing so, when the republicans get in charge again, our favorite organizations will get the same treatment.  Trust me, one day the pendulum will swing back their way -- we thought they were dead after Nixon, but six years later, Reagan won in a landslide.

      This stuff that Obama is doing with the IRS ought to scare the crap out of you.  Because one day, it will be the dems who are on the receiving end of this sort of witch hunt, and it won't be all that funny then.  Be careful what you ask for.

  •  tax exempt (1+ / 0-)
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    Unbelievable! The IRS has a whole division to allow tax exempt status. I mean , I donate to a charity and get a few hundred dollars tax exemptions here and there, they do not need a whole division for that. Let us simplify tax exemptions, NO TAX EXEMPTION. There, all done, problem solved.

  •  What the IRS says (3+ / 0-)
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    Lots of wiggle room in there.

    Seeking legislation germane to the organization's programs is a permissible means of attaining social welfare purposes. Thus, a section 501(c)(4) social welfare organization may further its exempt purposes through lobbying as its primary activity without jeopardizing its exempt status. An organization that has lost its section 501(c)(3) status due to substantial attempts to influence legislation may not thereafter qualify as a section 501(c)(4) organization. In addition, a section 501(c)(4) organization that engages in lobbying may be required to either provide notice to its members regarding the percentage of dues paid that are applicable to lobbying activities or pay a proxy tax. For more information, see Lobbying Issues .
    The promotion of social welfare does not include direct or indirect participation or intervention in political campaigns on behalf of or in opposition to any candidate for public office. However, a section 501(c)(4) social welfare organization may engage in some political activities, so long as that is not its primary activity. However, any expenditure it makes for political activities may be subject to tax under section 527(f). For further information regarding political and lobbying activities of section 501(c) organizations, see Election Year Issues, Political Campaign and Lobbying Activities of IRC 501(c)(4), (c)(5), and (c)(6) Organizations, and Revenue Ruling 2004-6.
    Here is the IRS page
  •  Karl Rove went down to the crossroads (2+ / 0-)

    He offered to sell his soul to the devil for electoral victory.

    The devil took one look at him, and just laughed and laughed.

    La majestueuse égalité des lois, qui interdit au riche comme au pauvre de coucher sous les ponts, de mendier dans les rues, et de voler du pain.

    by dconrad on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 02:20:15 PM PDT

  •  Decline (1+ / 0-)
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    This middle school bully tactic is a prime example of why there is a massive decline in the Democrateic Party. All the hate filled, insults, and cartoons of this nature, make me ashamed to be a former Democrat, ( I am now an Independent), but still embarassed by The Ed Schultz demeaning shouting, Chris Matthews whining, Rachel Maddows mumbling the standards of Harry Reid. Come on Guys, can we clean it up????

    •  I think you're at the wrong site (1+ / 0-)
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      and I think you're also confused about the so-called "massive decline" you are alleging in the Democratic Party. Whatever decline has occurred isn't due to those speaking out for liberal values, it is because there have been a lack of such people doing so more vociferously.

      I also think you're characterizations are way off the mark and much more suitably applied to Republican demagogues. I particularly fail to see how you can justify categorizing this cartoon in any way, shape or form as "a middle school bully tactic."

      Come on Guys...????
      The neglect to use a gender-neutral term here tends to betray you. But all of your comments taken in aggregate are a dead giveaway that you're likely nothing but a right-wing troll.

      You've been here three months, and in all that time you've contributed just 17 comments. If we don't count the rec here from another obvious right-wing troll--since that user is no longer with us--you have managed to accumulate just one rec, which is offset by the hide-rating you have received. In fact, this comment of yours deserves another HR, since it is reflective of right-wing talking points. Had I not responded to it in disagreement, I would have given it one. As it is, I'll allow others to make that determination, if they so choose.

      Your comments, among which can be found homophobia and a defense of Ted Cruz, appear to have offended the sensibilities of a number here at DKos. Moreover, comments exemplified by this latest of yours are an insult to the intelligence of many like myself here at DKos, as is your claim to being a former Democrat.

      At any rate, you claim to be an Independent. If you are not a Democrat, why did you join a site that is specifically for users who are Democrats?

  •  What makes this even more ridiculous (1+ / 0-)
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    is that it was Lerner herself who was involved in planting the question the reporter asked her that led to her revealing the improprieties to the public.

  •  baffling (1+ / 0-)
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    Its unamerican to not pay taxes. Yet these people consider themselves patriotic? Do they even? A person should be happy to have money in order to be able to pay taxes. I feel sorry for them having to still deal with the pooh coming out their ass. If i were them i wouldnt be the one touching it.

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