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I used to smoke a pack a day,,.,started when I was 15 years old and smoked until I was 30. I quit only because I became an NCI postdoctoral fellow and decided it would not look right for an NCI fellow to be smoking.

I am a member of GUS here, and am amazed by the large number of people who belong to that group, that I am just curious how many people here, as a group, are current or former tobacco users.
Thus the poll.

So.... here it goes:

Poll

Regarding tobacco:

23%46 votes
39%78 votes
3%6 votes
1%2 votes
1%3 votes
0%1 votes
1%3 votes
0%1 votes
8%17 votes
0%1 votes
21%42 votes
0%0 votes
0%0 votes

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  •  I also started smoking at 15. (13+ / 0-)

    Fortunately, I quit less than a week later.  Hope you are doing well, {{{BF}}}!

  •  Heh, BF! Your name sake made this week's (7+ / 0-)

    episode of Crash Course Psychology. It was about behavioral psychology so of course Pavlov and Skinner got mentioned.

    GOP 2014 strategy -- Hire clowns, elephants, and a ringmaster and say "a media circus" has emerged and blame Democrats for lack of progress. Have pundits agree that "both sides are to blame" and hope the public will stay home on election day.

    by ontheleftcoast on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 01:55:35 PM PDT

  •  20 years on paper cigs (12+ / 0-)

    nearly 5 with my ecig/vape.  Been hitting it a little heavily lately due to stress, but it's been a wonder for me and a drastic improvement on the quality of my lungs and life.

    I'm so fat! Oh, they're going to love me, I'm so marbled! - Jack LeMans, Bounty Killer

    by Mortifyd on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 02:09:02 PM PDT

    •  What do you think about the proposed regulations (9+ / 0-)

      on e-cigs then? I heard basically nobody seems to like them, the industry (of course) doesn't want any regulation and health advocates are complaining the proposals aren't strict enough.

      GOP 2014 strategy -- Hire clowns, elephants, and a ringmaster and say "a media circus" has emerged and blame Democrats for lack of progress. Have pundits agree that "both sides are to blame" and hope the public will stay home on election day.

      by ontheleftcoast on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 02:16:57 PM PDT

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      •  What are the proposed regulations? (7+ / 0-)

         I know one thing I'm curious about. If a minor is using an ecig, but is vaping a 0 nicotine juice, what's the crime?
           I would rather so a minor using a 0 nicotine e-cig than see him or her smoking a cigarette.
         

        Well I'm just a tree, but if I were you I'd listen to your GHOST FRIEND! Howard-Big Bang Theory

        by nellgwen on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 02:28:22 PM PDT

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        •  Here's the WSJ piece on it (4+ / 0-)

          http://online.wsj.com/...

          I was trying to find the actual FDA proposal but my search skills suck.

          GOP 2014 strategy -- Hire clowns, elephants, and a ringmaster and say "a media circus" has emerged and blame Democrats for lack of progress. Have pundits agree that "both sides are to blame" and hope the public will stay home on election day.

          by ontheleftcoast on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 02:36:06 PM PDT

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          •  I think that the growth and popularity (4+ / 0-)

            caught everyone off guard. It changed the whole paradigm of smoking. Using a e-cig is not smoking. And I think maybe some people think an e-cig is just a liquid cigarette containing all the carcinogens as a cigarette.
              They don't understand there is only 4 ingredients and one of them is water. And if you don't use nicotine there is only three.

            Well I'm just a tree, but if I were you I'd listen to your GHOST FRIEND! Howard-Big Bang Theory

            by nellgwen on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 03:24:31 PM PDT

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            •  The health advocates were comparing them to (2+ / 0-)
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              the candy cigarettes of my youth. You could get packs that looked like kid sized versions of all the brands, Marlboro, Lucky Strike, Kool, etc. some were even hollowed out and you could blow a couple of puffs of smoke (powered sugar) from them. The thought was they made smoking seem acceptable to kids. What's happening with these could be similar in that it could make vaping acceptable to kids. The problem is, nobody knows what that would mean. If they're not using nicotine is vaping harmful?

              GOP 2014 strategy -- Hire clowns, elephants, and a ringmaster and say "a media circus" has emerged and blame Democrats for lack of progress. Have pundits agree that "both sides are to blame" and hope the public will stay home on election day.

              by ontheleftcoast on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 03:32:18 PM PDT

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              •  Yes that's my point. (3+ / 0-)

                If there's no nicotine what's the harm? And what if a teen is using it to quit smoking? We can all agree minors get their hands on cigarettes, I did.
                  I ate those candy cigarettes when I was a kid. I bought them a couple times, I got tired of that wintergreen flavor.
                  I think the difference is an e-cig was never marketed to children to make smoking seem cool. It was first marketed to be an aid to quit smoking.
                  Kids get their hands on cigarettes, and alcohol and kids will get their hands on e-cigs. Where there's a kid there's a way. It's unavoidable.

                Well I'm just a tree, but if I were you I'd listen to your GHOST FRIEND! Howard-Big Bang Theory

                by nellgwen on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 03:45:20 PM PDT

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                •  Yup, another article I saw said that e-cigarettes (3+ / 0-)
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                  could be the magic bullet that finally destroys the cigarette industry in America. It seems unlikely yet, maybe it could happen.

                  GOP 2014 strategy -- Hire clowns, elephants, and a ringmaster and say "a media circus" has emerged and blame Democrats for lack of progress. Have pundits agree that "both sides are to blame" and hope the public will stay home on election day.

                  by ontheleftcoast on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 03:47:03 PM PDT

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                  •  First the tobacco industry hated them (3+ / 0-)

                    obviously. And usually when you would see a "doctor" talking about how they are worse health wise than a cigarette, they were being paid by the tobacco industry.
                      Now they are taking an - If you  can't beat them join them attitude. And trying to come up with their own flavors that tastes just like their analogue counterparts.
                       I wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing to ban different flavored juices was born out of the tobacco industry to cut down on competition. But, if they can invest the money to make their own brands of juice, they can make a bubble gum flavored if they want.

                    Well I'm just a tree, but if I were you I'd listen to your GHOST FRIEND! Howard-Big Bang Theory

                    by nellgwen on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 03:55:47 PM PDT

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                    •  But they'll try to do it on the cheap (2+ / 0-)
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                      Hell, they won't make it here--they'll import it from China. It's not about if they could do it, it's about "how can they do it and Make The Most Money?"

                      They got their work cut out for them on that--and I think they already know it, and I think that also has a lot to do with all this Booga-Booga nonsense all of a sudden, about How Unsafe Vaping Might Be Is, Because The Children! Most serious vapers already know that the Chinese juice is questionable at best.

                      I don't know about anyone else, but I will never buy a juice mass-produced by the same people who brought me Marlboros. Ever.

                      This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

                      by lunachickie on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 05:06:51 PM PDT

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              •  The health advocates are lying about this, (4+ / 0-)

                as far as I am concerned. I have seen them produce exactly nothing credible to support any of their claims.

                What's happening with these could be similar in that it could make vaping acceptable to kids.
                "kids"? No. Young adults, probably. So...limit them at the point of sale. How hard is that? You do it now for booze and cigarettes and chew and a half-dozen other things already. What's one more thing?

                 And to this? No, it isn't.

                If they're not using nicotine is vaping harmful?
                Vaping is far, far better for you than "smoking" anything, whether your goal is to ingest nicotine or anything else. The nicotine levels sold on average for most e-juices (unless you use a really strong mix) is no more than the levels found in most nicotine patches. Make the producers put a "do not ingest" sticker on their labels (like the majority of them do now) and keep it away from Junior, much like you would cleaning solvents or other poisonous chemicals. It's not the Big Deal that's being produced.  

                No, the biggest deal is that Big Tobacco is freaking out at a stalled market share, a share that is slowly, but surely, going to go into a major decline, as more folks realize how effective e-cigarettes are at countering the effects of tobacco-withdrawal. And I imagine some local governments are seeing their revenue drop, as well. Lots of cigarette taxes out there.

                But the shit about "where vaping should be done" is just....the stupid, it burns! Thing is, most of the little Concern Fifedoms proposing local ordinances that condemn e-cig users to the cigarette-smoking section outside--which has come up a lot of places all of a sudden, which makes me smell ALEC, now that I think about it--they're all operating out of sheer ignorance. They Heard On TV e-cigs might not be safe, and Big Media has dutifully compared vaping to "smoking" enough times that most of them have formed that as Conventional Wisdom in their little heads. That shit has to be nipped in the bud right the fuck here and now because it is beyond unnecessary, and we have got to get the word out. Vaping is saving lives.

                You can call that hyperbole all you want. I smoked for over 30 years. I found vaping, and I was off tobacco in three short days--and I am never going back. I can't tell you how many times I tried and failed to quit smoking. The last thing anyone needs to do is make these things hard to get or jack up the price so much that they become as costly as cigarettes.  

                This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

                by lunachickie on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 04:17:30 PM PDT

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                •  I want to go from anecdotal evidence to actual (2+ / 0-)
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                  data though. I agree with you completely, the health advocates are hyper ventilating on this, but I want facts, actual science, to be what drives the public policy going forward. Fair enough?

                  GOP 2014 strategy -- Hire clowns, elephants, and a ringmaster and say "a media circus" has emerged and blame Democrats for lack of progress. Have pundits agree that "both sides are to blame" and hope the public will stay home on election day.

                  by ontheleftcoast on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 04:21:01 PM PDT

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                  •  Then get the facts BEFORE placing a policy (2+ / 0-)
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                    ontheleftcoast, BFSkinner

                    change up for debate.

                    That's the way it should be, and I have no problem with that. But the cart is getting put up way before the horse in all this talk about "legislation" and "regulation" of this stuff, and there is simply no good excuse for it.

                    This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

                    by lunachickie on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 04:30:56 PM PDT

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                    •  Yeah, but that would break 200+ years of (2+ / 0-)
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                      lunachickie, BFSkinner

                      government doing things bassackwards. Hell, we even got an Amendment to the Constitution from that kind of short-sightedness. Two, actually, if you count the one to undo the damage of the other.

                      GOP 2014 strategy -- Hire clowns, elephants, and a ringmaster and say "a media circus" has emerged and blame Democrats for lack of progress. Have pundits agree that "both sides are to blame" and hope the public will stay home on election day.

                      by ontheleftcoast on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 04:34:15 PM PDT

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                      •  They gotta start somewhere ;) (2+ / 0-)
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                        and frankly, I'm starting to smell ALEC in all of this, the more I look into it. I say that because I read news all over the web at different papers in different geographic areas of the country (and the world); this particular debate isn't just happening at a national level. It's all over the map and it's been happening in the last five-six weeks, culminating in this sudden Big Debate we're all having.

                        I'm thinking that's Big Tobacco at work--that's been my thought for awhile now. I can't wait to see something more concrete than supposition to that end, though. I sure as hell hope that someone is digging already....

                        This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

                        by lunachickie on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 04:40:42 PM PDT

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            •  in good juice but honestly, who knows what's in (2+ / 0-)
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              the imported Chinese crap that is so prevalent.....

              I think imported juice should be tested for contents...remember the melamine in the baby and dog food?

              Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
              I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
              Emiliano Zapata

              by buddabelly on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 03:36:43 PM PDT

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              •  Don't get a juice unless you know it's made in the (3+ / 0-)
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                buddabelly, lunachickie, BFSkinner

                U.S. Johnson Creek is made in Wisconsin.
                  I wouldn't buy juice on line unless I know it was made in the U.S., and I could get it straight from the manufacturer.
                I buy my stuff at a local smoke shop.

                Well I'm just a tree, but if I were you I'd listen to your GHOST FRIEND! Howard-Big Bang Theory

                by nellgwen on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 03:48:41 PM PDT

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                •  I started making my own in the first month (3+ / 0-)
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                  nellgwen, lunachickie, BFSkinner

                  basically because I didn't trust the local vape shops to not use chinese ingredients and being the cheap bastard I am, it get's my costs per ml to under a nickle for 2.8mgperml juice, whatever flavor I want...

                  Had to buy a few pieces of lab glass and I won't use over 10mg for safety sake but otherwise, making my own rocks...

                  I can supply myself and my whole family and a few friends for next to nothing.....much less than I would spend on myself alone buying commercial....

                  Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
                  I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
                  Emiliano Zapata

                  by buddabelly on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 03:53:40 PM PDT

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              •  Oh, yes, good point: Chinese crap needs regulated (2+ / 0-)
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                I do agree with that. But amazingly enough--at least where I live--that's largely being done by the e-cig market, precisely because of the lack of QA of Chinese imports of consumables to the US. Most of us are pretty clued into that in general. The mom & pop store I frequent for my supplies won't carry that stuff. A lot of websites that do e-cig supply mail-order base their businesses on "Made in the US" products. The only places I see a free-for-all on the juice sources are at convenience stores. And I tell anyone that will listen, if they are smokers and they want to quit and are considering vaping, to stay away from the cheap shit sold at their corner 7/11.

                At least make an effort to regulate that, though. The way things are going for food and drug inspection lately, I don't know that things would be much different than they are now, but it should be A Thing, for sure.

                This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

                by lunachickie on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 04:28:22 PM PDT

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          •  what I saw of the proposals were no problem (5+ / 0-)

            No kids, ingredient labeling and ing approval and all but flavors have been approved for inhalation in other methods...like the PG used in a nebulizer,.....

            Flavors might become a problem....I thought I would never want to vape anything but tobacco flavors...that lasted about a month...since then I haven't found any tobacco flavor I like and started making my own with USP grade and listed PG, VG and Nicotine, the stuff is even Kosher......

            Now my fav is a berry vanilla combo that changes but I have about 25 I can play with...lots of good tasting stuff, no more nasty tasting cigs or pipe or cigars all of which I smoked.....all flavors are U.S. or European made also...I just won't vape the Chinese crap, I flat don't trust them as a whole to use unadulterated ingredients.....

            If they try to take away our flavors, there will be a fight.....personally, I'm more than a little tired of the "what about the children" crap trotted out every time someone wants to control me "for my own benefit".....

            Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
            I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
            Emiliano Zapata

            by buddabelly on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 03:35:04 PM PDT

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            •  Where can you buy the ingredients to (3+ / 0-)
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              make it yourself?

              Well I'm just a tree, but if I were you I'd listen to your GHOST FRIEND! Howard-Big Bang Theory

              by nellgwen on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 04:03:35 PM PDT

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              •  I use a co out of No Carolina (3+ / 0-)
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                nellgwen, lunachickie, BFSkinner

                called rts vapes, all he really sells is the chemicals and flavors and glassware...good recs, he even posts the msds and chemical analysis the last i cked...I haven't needed any chemicals in a while and won't for a while more still...I have enough for another year at current consumption levels at least...I store everything in the freezer and it seems to do fine.

                It's something to be very careful with even at the 6.0mg level, we have to remember that nicotine is poison and it will kill those whose bodies aren't saturated with it for decades a lot faster than it will me or others who smoked like I did.....

                When I'm mixing some I do a minimum of 120ml total, try to keep my flavor level to about a max 0f 5% and some like vanilla are strong enough to use at 3%, lock the dogs out of the room and if possible mix in the sink so if there is a spill it is easily washed away....always wear nitril gloves too as it will soak through your skin and the stuff will hurt even a smoker...easily kill a kid or pet so you have to treat it with the respect it deserves.....I load ammunition too so I'm used to being careful and precise....this was just kinda an extension of those basic skills honestly....Anyone can do it, but you have to treat it with respect. a face splashguard is not beyond the need even when using the 10% nicotine solution but I usually don't as I'm pretty anal about every other aspect of the process...another old reloaders trick, that's how we get to be "old" reloaders,  heh......

                I was talking to one of the og's at the local vape store and they use the pure quill...99.49 or whatever ridiculous level that can literally kill you with the fumes...anyway, a manager walking through the mixing room picked up a shop towel from the floor and before he got to the rag bucket he was down.....OK in the end but points out the danger of high level nicotine preparations..

                Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
                I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
                Emiliano Zapata

                by buddabelly on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 04:49:59 PM PDT

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                •  I think that might be too tricky (3+ / 0-)
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                  for me. Unless I can see someone doing it.
                  Although I have made candy. And candy making is very dangerous too.

                  Well I'm just a tree, but if I were you I'd listen to your GHOST FRIEND! Howard-Big Bang Theory

                  by nellgwen on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 04:58:53 PM PDT

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                  •  if you can make candy without ending in the burn (3+ / 0-)
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                    ward, you can mix the juice.

                    There are calculators to tell you how much of each to get to the percentages you want.  Personally, i vape a 70/30 PG/VG at 2.8....and once you get the nicotine diluted, it's no more dangerous than the juice you buy...

                    So it's only for a few minutes while the pure nicotine is being poured and diluted that it's a real hazard...from there it's just playing with flavors to see what you like.....

                    Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
                    I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
                    Emiliano Zapata

                    by buddabelly on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 05:03:46 PM PDT

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        •  I heard the main reg (6+ / 0-)

          is no sale to anyone under 18.  Health warnings required.  Many want to ban the fruit flavors and teevee and print ads geared to kids.  

          There's folks in the GUS group who are doing great with the e-cigs.  They are far better than an actual cigarette and your argument is sound.  

          " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

          by gchaucer2 on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 02:40:15 PM PDT

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          •  they're already not for sale to minors. it's 18+ (5+ / 0-)

            I've not seen or heard of any ads on tv or geared to kids. I'm really sick of this bullshit that adults can only like flavoured alcohol and nothing else.   If you want something that tastes like king cake more power to you, it's just not my thing.  I want my nicotine to taste like tobacco, and my cereal to taste like sugar.  All adults used to be kids.

            The brand of ecig juice I use is US made, lists the ingredients, has a warning, the strength, lot number and expiration on it.  Everything is not only food grade but kosher - so no bug bits in my juice. Less than $9 a bottle, so that's quite reasonable for a clean product - that should be plenty for the scare brigade.

            I'm so fat! Oh, they're going to love me, I'm so marbled! - Jack LeMans, Bounty Killer

            by Mortifyd on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 02:50:06 PM PDT

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            •  My absolute favorite of all the juices (3+ / 0-)
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              buddabelly, lunachickie, BFSkinner

              out there that I've tried is the Johnson Creek Red Oak line which is all vegetable is Tennessee Cured. It has such a smoky sweet tobacco taste. I love it.
                I tried to find a really good cherry or black cherry juice. The best I've tried is the NicQuid Maraschino Cherry juice.

              Well I'm just a tree, but if I were you I'd listen to your GHOST FRIEND! Howard-Big Bang Theory

              by nellgwen on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 03:14:25 PM PDT

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              •  I use the tripl3 smooth tobacco (4+ / 0-)

                it's the closest I've found locally to a "camel" cigarette.  In Oregon I had more choices and there were some closer options, but this I can live with until I get home.

                I'm not into the flavours at all, I've tried a couple and they just don't do it for me.  But other people seem to like them and I like that there are choices out there.

                I'm so fat! Oh, they're going to love me, I'm so marbled! - Jack LeMans, Bounty Killer

                by Mortifyd on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 03:35:59 PM PDT

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                •  heh, I thought that would be me and found out (4+ / 0-)
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                  otherwise...I can't stand the tobacco flavors but love a good berry vanilla mix.....

                  I have never bothered to try to cut the nicotine...I figure the real danger was from the tar and crap I was smoking....I like my nicotine tasting like candy personally and wish the nannies would get off of it...Like you say, I have never seen an ad based towards a kid or a legit vape shop that even allows under 18 on the premises...here they are peering through the window, not allowed inside at all.....

                  Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
                  I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
                  Emiliano Zapata

                  by buddabelly on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 03:44:26 PM PDT

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                  •  Have any of you ever heard of Papa Smurf? (2+ / 0-)
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                    BFSkinner, buddabelly

                    It seems to be very popular. I'm not big on the flavors, but I tried that one, and it's pretty tasty. It's kind of fruity, I guess, though I couldn't tell you what fruit ;)
                     

                    This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

                    by lunachickie on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 04:33:25 PM PDT

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                    •  honestly no, the local vape shop makes their own (1+ / 0-)
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                      BFSkinner

                      and I never bought any premade of any type before I started making my own....I really like the berry and coconut flavors, pina colada rocks as does sweet strawberry mixed with a little honey and vanilla....

                      I mix all my flavors separately them mix flavors in different concentrations to see what tastes the best to me...That way I can have 4 different flavors mixed yet my total percentage flavor is still in the 5% range at most.I try to keep the flavor amounts as low as possible because they are honestly the one wildcard....

                      There's just no data on what vaping them might do at all....And look at diacetyl and "popcorn lung"  before that connection was made, some protovapers used it to give a buttery flavor....just like in popcorn only the stuff is deadly when inhaled.......

                      So I figure the less the better....I also let the mix steep at least a week as that's when you can really tell what it will taste like...plus your device makes so much difference, I love the Protanks but they taste way different than the IClears (the most flavor bar none of any tank type clearomizer both the 16 and the 30 but I think the 16 gives the most intense flavor of any made) and the Nova's taste different yet....It's all just personal preference imo and should be mostly left alone by the gov.

                      Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
                      I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
                      Emiliano Zapata

                      by buddabelly on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 05:36:53 PM PDT

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                      •  I accidentally mixed (2+ / 0-)
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                        some melon-flavored juice with some of my menthol. They were both vendor flavors that I just mixed up my tanks, I don't mix my own juice normally. It actually isn't bad. Which is a good thing--I've been so broke I have been "making do" with tanks that I really need to replace (though I just finally ordered some). And melon must be one of those flavors you just can't get rid of, no matter how much of another flavor you run through it, it's in that wick forever ;)
                         

                        This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

                        by lunachickie on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 07:34:11 PM PDT

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                        •  I need to order some batteries and I'm real (2+ / 0-)
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                          tempted to get a mechanical mod or make one from the cremains of the 6 dead egos I have, 2 of the vv2s with the electronic watt and volt control, 3 twists and a regular ego...

                          Someone stole my 100 buck eVic that counted my puffs and kept a daily usage log when I plugged it in to the computer to charge....

                          but I am hard on them, I drop them constantly and lose them...I have my last working twist missing right now and I'm working with a 600 and charging it in between puffs and at night till my buddy gets my custom mechanical mod built and I order a couple more including a warranty return on one of the vv2s.

                          But I have about 25 different 120ml bottles of juice to choose from at least...heh....

                          Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
                          I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
                          Emiliano Zapata

                          by buddabelly on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 08:14:02 PM PDT

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                          •  I must be really lucky (1+ / 0-)
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                            I drop mine a lot, and it hasn't failed me yet. I've got two of 'em (got mr. luna doing it now, so that was my "extra" battery, but I'm not really complaining, he smokes less now :-)). CE4 1100 eGos. So far they've been klutz-proof...

                            This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

                            by lunachickie on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 09:49:57 PM PDT

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                          •  the place to watch is the junction between (0+ / 0-)

                            the battery case and the head the clearomizer screws to....

                            It's just a press fit and after the 100th drop or so that press fit loosens up and if you catch it quick, no prob...otherwise it breaks the tiny wires to the first chip and voila...one dead ego....

                            That is why my buddy is repairing and using a couple for a mechanical mod, a tough one, he still has the eyes and hands to solder on a circuit board.....I most emphatically do not....So he fixes my broken batteries and I give him all the juice he needs/wants and sell him replacement vape heads at my cost.......

                            Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
                            I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
                            Emiliano Zapata

                            by buddabelly on Sat Apr 26, 2014 at 01:56:20 PM PDT

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                        •  as to those flavors, papaya is like that too.... (1+ / 0-)
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                          but it is fun grabbing a couple ml of this and that till the bottle is full then see what you have...I work out of 30ml blue glass bottles with glass droppers, like the blue glass bottles I store all mixed in only those are 120+

                          Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
                          I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
                          Emiliano Zapata

                          by buddabelly on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 08:16:35 PM PDT

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    •  I use e-cigs too. (6+ / 0-)

       I love them I wish everyone who smokes analogues would stop and use them. Especially when you get buy 0 nicotine juice to Cuban cigar nicotine juice. And all the flavors.
         

      Well I'm just a tree, but if I were you I'd listen to your GHOST FRIEND! Howard-Big Bang Theory

      by nellgwen on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 02:25:05 PM PDT

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      •  my brother refuses to use them (3+ / 0-)
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        but that's his choice as an adult.  He stinks, he can't breathe and he'll drop dead while I keep on going, even while asthmatic.  His reasoning is that he thinks ecigs are "ghetto" because he knows black people who use them.  So not everyone is motivated by health, some people are just assholes.

        I'm so fat! Oh, they're going to love me, I'm so marbled! - Jack LeMans, Bounty Killer

        by Mortifyd on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 02:52:08 PM PDT

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        •  You can tell your brother that the ecig (1+ / 0-)
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          BFSkinner

          industry is now a multi-billion dollar enterprise. It can't rise to that level if it only something that is "ghetto."
            Also by brother-in-law was in the hospital for some surgery and he used it in there.
          I've inadvertently used it on the bus and no one kicked me off.
            Also to get a good well made e-cig starter kit. it can cost in the neighborhood of $70-$100. How "ghetto" is that?

          Well I'm just a tree, but if I were you I'd listen to your GHOST FRIEND! Howard-Big Bang Theory

          by nellgwen on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 03:08:34 PM PDT

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          •  Mine was only about $65 (3+ / 0-)
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            and a spare battery was about $20. I have a Kangol set up and I'm pretty happy with it.

            He's just a racist pig, if he sees black people using something he doesn't want it.  So it doesn't matter how much it costs, it's still "ghetto" because he's a racist asshole over in Mississippi.  Now when I traveled across the south on a bus I have to say that I was the only person using an ecig of any kind and I got a lot of questions about it - so it's hardly some kind of "ghetto" trend across the south - it's just him.  Probably a couple people where he works have one and that's enough to give him an excuse.

            Mum wants him to switch to one because he's sick all the time and can't breathe, but he'd rather suffer first.

            I'm so fat! Oh, they're going to love me, I'm so marbled! - Jack LeMans, Bounty Killer

            by Mortifyd on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 03:42:29 PM PDT

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          •  Hell, I didn't even spend that much (2+ / 0-)
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            I think I got set up with a decent rig and juice and a charger for about 40 bucks. It definitely pays to shop around :)

            This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

            by lunachickie on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 05:09:25 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

    •  Not only 50 years on tobacco cigs (4+ / 0-)
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      nellgwen, Mortifyd, BFSkinner, lunachickie

      but unfiltered at that.  almost 2 months with my e-cig and already feeling a hell of a difference.  My next order of liquid, which should be here Monday will be 0 nicotine.

      The places I've used for liquid and accessories insist on a declaration that I'm over 18 (yeah, by a long way).  I think the fear that good flavors will draw kids to tobacco is way overblown.  There's no way tobacco will taste good to a kid whose tried vanilla of strawberry e-liquid.  After using an e-cig getting a lung full of tobacco smoke with the 4000 additives, including such perennial favorites as carbon monoxide and formaldehyde, most kids, of any age, will heed the advice of brave Sir Robin -- "Run away!  Run away!"

      And cheaper?  Oh, I should say!

      Fight 'em 'til hell freezes over, then fight 'em on the ice. -- David Van Os

      by Naturalized Texan on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 03:49:49 PM PDT

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  •  I smoked my first cigarette when I was 12 (13+ / 0-)

    During the Cuban missile crisis because I figured we would all be dead in a week so I wanted to see what it was like before the nuclear holocaust.  

    I was smoking more and more cigarettes over the next year.  For a bar mitzvah present I got a one year subscription to Reader's Digest, which had its problems as a magazine but they refused to accept tobacco ads and ran articles from doctors on the correlation between smoking and lung cancer that no one else would publish and which was silent from the TV news - this was the summer/fall  of 1963 before the January 1964 Surgeon General's report.  That summer of 1963 I was buying a pack for 35 cents every few days while my mom worked and hiding it when she came home.  But then around July or August of 1963 Reader's Digest ran one of their articles that scared the shit out of me and I threw the rest of the cigarettes in the pack down the toilet and haven't had one since.

    I thank whoever gave me that bar mitzvah gift from saving me from addiction and probably eventual illness and death.

    "Corporations exist not for themselves, but for the people." Ida Tarbell 1908.

    by Navy Vet Terp on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 02:09:36 PM PDT

  •  what about, I have used nicotine in every form (9+ / 0-)

    possible for the last 35 years and hate this fucking addiction?

    Though switching to ecigs and making my own ejuice from all us made, usp ingredients has really helped my breathing.....

    Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
    I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
    Emiliano Zapata

    by buddabelly on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 02:13:50 PM PDT

  •  I was a heavy pipe smoker from about (6+ / 0-)

    age 20 until sometime in my early to mid 30s, with the occasional cigar for a change.  One Christmas break I was spending a couple of weeks with my folks.  My father had had septuple bypass surgery a couple of years earlier, so I wasn’t permitted to smoke in the house, and most unusually, for some reason I never felt the urge even when I was out shopping.  When I got home after the holidays, I realized that (a) I’d just gone two weeks without smoking, and (b) I still wasn’t feeling any great urge to smoke.  I immediately threw away a few hundred dollars worth of pipes and haven’t smoked since — and that was over 30 years ago.  I was very fortunate: for a few months I occasionally missed my pipe, or at least having something in my mouth, but not too often, and not unbearably.  I can honestly say that quitting was easy, though a couple of earlier attempts to cut back (rather than to stop altogether) had been completely unsuccessful.  I’ve no idea why, except that I apparently picked the right moment to try.

  •  Well, I own some pipes.... (4+ / 0-)

    pipes

    This is about 1/5th of my collection. I've never smoked a cigarette in my life, and during the summer when I'm lounging out in my kiddie pool I like to smoke a decent cigar (usually a Palma Real 6 x 50 Dominican), but I always enjoyed the idea of a pipe. They're much more of a 'process' to operate, most everyone enjoys the smell, and you don't have the urge to smoke one bowl after another after another after another - the chance of getting 'hooked' is much lower. I might go a full year without lighting up a pipe, go for a week or so smoking, then stop again for another year or so. I also really like the craftmanship of a finely carved pipe, and that's another thing bystanders can appreciate - I've gotten a lot of compliments on my bowls.

    Plus I can stand on my porch and pretend to be a salty sea captain arrrrrrr

    Rand Rick Ted Huck Scott / Republican power ON! / Five watt light bulb glows - haiku by Bill IPM

    by Fordmandalay on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 02:27:37 PM PDT

  •  I quit cold turkey (8+ / 0-)

    2 years ago on February 7th.  First week was tough, second slightly less and then, I haven't looked back.  I'm around smokers in the summer and I am not tempted.  My buddy quit December 7, 2013 due to a rancid cold.  He is still quit.

    Amazing how one's taste and smell become more accute.

    Do you mind if I add GUS to your diary?  And we'd love it if you'd drop by and say hello anytime.  Same for everyone -- smokers, quit smokers and non-smokers.  

    " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 02:35:32 PM PDT

    •  Not at all. :) HUGS by the way. I need to go off (5+ / 0-)

      for a bit, my sister is taking me away for a birthday dinner since she could not take me out on my actual bday, but I will be ack later to read all the wisdom people left.

      I'll tell you what justice is. Justice is a knee in the gut from the floor on the chin at night sneaky with a knife brought up down on the magazine of a battleship sandbagged underhanded in the dark without a word of warning.

      by BFSkinner on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 02:39:19 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  My continuing hats off to you, gc2 (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      BFSkinner, blueyedace2

      I went almost four years after a cold-turkey quit and I fell off. Boy, was I pissed. I know it's important to not beat yourself up if you start again, but that episode was particularly painful to me. The only thing that got me past that pain was my fortieth birthday, and getting carded when I went to buy smokes and gas on my way to my birthday party (yes, that helped in a lot of ways, actually, lol ;))

      Shit, if there had been e-cigs in 2002, I know I would have jumped on them then, instead of going back to tobacco. I damn sure would have a whole lot more money today than I do. Keep up the good work!!!

      This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

      by lunachickie on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 05:16:30 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I started smoking when I was 17 (5+ / 0-)

    The night Richard Nixon won the Republican nomination for President in 1968. You'd smoke too, right? Or drink. Or...you know...something.

    I smoked on and off through college but when I started grad school I also began driving a cab in NYC. Then I was really off and running; 2 or 3 packs a day PARTICULARLY on Friday nights (when being a cabby is hectic). Made me feel like crap, particularly towards the end.

    In fact, whaddya know...last Friday marked 37 years since I became smoke-free. I really should have posted something in GUS about that but the fact is I forgot all about the anniversary until just now.

    I was looking for an "Other" option in your poll until I re-read the options and realized that they all referred to tobacco (even the "other" option you did provide). No, I no longer smoke that other stuff either.

  •  I haven't had a traditional cigarette (6+ / 0-)

    in over 2 months.  Now I'm puffing 0 nicotine e cigs whenever I feel as though I just have to have the motion.  I believe I would've caved by now if not for the e-cigs.  

  •  Too bad that poll is one-choice-only (4+ / 0-)

    I used to smoke cigarettes, cigars, a pipe, and hookah. I had some shisha at a hookah bar last week, but otherwise I basically don't touch tobacco anymore.

    The cravings still hit every now and then, but watching my mother die--horribly and painfully--of lung cancer gave me a pretty strong incentive to not want to fund the industry anymore.

    "Speaking for myself only" - Armando "Pay Attention To Me diplomacy never works out very well for anyone but the defense contractors." -Hunter

    by JR on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 02:53:31 PM PDT

  •  I smoked my first cigarette at age 8... (4+ / 0-)

    ...and kept it up until age 10 when I was sentenced to reform school. Never smoked again.

    Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

    by Meteor Blades on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 02:54:43 PM PDT

  •  Let me simply say I used to quit smoking. (5+ / 0-)

    I live under the bridge to the 21st Century.

    by Crashing Vor on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 02:57:09 PM PDT

  •  I started late: age 19 (4+ / 0-)

    I continues until I went cold turkey (well, a couple of days of nicotine gum) nine years ago at age 46.

    I very glad I made it through that. I'm addicted, though, and can't ever have "just one".

    "Who is John Galt?" A two dimensional character in a third rate novel.

    by Inventor on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 03:03:28 PM PDT

  •  I quit for good in 1986 (4+ / 0-)

    My best friend talked me into going to a 'program' with her.  I quit, she didn't.  I'd quit before even for a couple of years, but would always start to 'bum' one here and there.  That time it was for good.  Not easy the first couple of years, now I can't even conceive of wanting a cigarette.  Tough to do, but well worthwhile.

    sometimes the dragon wins

    by kathy in ga on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 03:12:32 PM PDT

    •  I quit early 80's and, to my surprise, one day (3+ / 0-)
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      about 8 years later I found myself searching in my purse for a cigarette. I was shocked that the impulse was there after such a long time. Like you, I now can't conceive of wanting a cigarette - mainly because it's such a bitch to give up and I get hooked so easily. Fortunately I can't financially afford to smoke now, so that's a powerful incentive to remain smoke-free.

  •  I quit for good in 1974, aged 25 (3+ / 0-)
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    one of the best things I ever did for myself. I tried to quit about 100 times. Then in the summer of 1974 I was doing what was called  a graduate review of est and they said you couldn't smoke or drink that whole week. About a month after that I sort of woke up and realized OMG! I hadn't smoked since then.
    I have never had an urge to go back, its revolting to me now. One of the best things ever  is banning them in restaurants and public places.
    I was smoking about 2 packs a day when I quit and they were only worth 35 cts a pack then. Where I live now that would be about $450 per month. So I have lots of money to treat myself to other things, like golf

    (disclaimer: I still smoke weed but only an eensy beensy bit for experimental purposes)

    Happy just to be alive

    by exlrrp on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 03:48:18 PM PDT

  •  Hi, happy birthday! (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    BFSkinner, blueyedace2

    When we met at Manny's 1 1/2 years ago, I was smoking 1 1/2 packs a day.   Last April I switched to an e-cig.   Jan. 8, 2014, I took my last puff.   I no longer smoke.   It worked for me, and rather easily too.   I didn't consciously cut down, it just happened, until I didn't smoke anymore.

    I can breathe better, so I'm really happy, and would encourage people to try e-cigs.   Better than the real thing.

    I dream of a world where chickens can cross the road without having their motives questioned.

    by broths on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 04:20:37 PM PDT

  •  i used to smoke camel straights (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    BFSkinner

    i miss smoking so much.

    Shame cannot survive being spoken. It cannot survive empathy. -Dr. Brene Brown

    by thankgodforairamerica on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 04:34:47 PM PDT

  •  smoked from 15 to 21...quit cold turkey on (2+ / 0-)
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    BFSkinner, blueyedace2

    december 23, 1976

    woke up one christmasy morning and found myself rooting around in the ashtray for a juicy butt as "reunited" by peaches and herb played on the box...said to myself,
    "self - you a fool!"...luckily i had a big bag of decent weed, so i just sat around and smoked joints for a few days until the craving subsided a bit

    haven't had a cigarette since

  •  I still smoke... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    BFSkinner

    but I sort of rationalize it by smoking American Spirit, and vaping on e-cigs from a local Wisconsin company. I'll just say this... my Uncle Jim was addicted to Cocaine, Heroine, and alcohol... he mostly quit them all before he died, but he couldn't kick the nic.

    No one knows what it's like, To be the bad man, To be the sad man, behind blue eyes....

    by blueyedace2 on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 08:28:57 PM PDT

  •  whatever those cheap thin cigars are (0+ / 0-)

    I smoke a few times when I played poker in college, maybe a half dozen times total. I guess that's close enough to never.

    Gondwana has always been at war with Laurasia.

    by AaronInSanDiego on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 11:19:15 PM PDT

  •  Proud to vote never. n/t (0+ / 0-)

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