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Believing that "my God can beat up your God" is no way to run a planet.

BANGUI, Central African Republic (AP) - Heavily armed peacekeepers escorted some of the last remaining Muslims out of Central African Republic's volatile capital on Sunday, trucking more than 1,300 people who for months had been trapped by violent Christian militants.
If monotheistic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) won't end themselves by attrition, we need to end them by ridicule and pointing out their own internal hypocrisy.

Did you know that James Dobson's group American Family Association is a far-right "christian" hate group?

Look, I don't care if you want to make sandwiches by placing two slices of bologna, a slice of cheese, and some lettuce between two slices of Jesus. I mean, seriously, I don't claim to understand how a wafer and some wine changes into Jesus in your stomach, but if that's what you choose to believe, it doesn't affect me.

But going to war over religion is no longer cool. WWTD; what would Timbuk do? Well, for one, I wouldn't fucking go to war over your (fucked up) belief that two men (or women) in love shouldn't be allowed to marry. Or your (fucked up) belief that Jeebus can beat up the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Or your (fucked up) belief that it's somehow our DUTY to allow an already wealthy 1% to gain even more wealth by fucking up the only planet we have to live on (read that as Koch brothers trying to increase taxes on solar panels). Or ...

If you want to argue that the US is less than perfect, I can't disagree, but I'd ask you to look at Saudi Arabia, where petroleum oozes out of the ground like pus oozes out of a pestilent wound, yet women can't drive because of Sharia law. Where would you rather live?

Ah, well, I'm either preaching to the choir or arguing with the faithful (who, by definition, cannot be persuaded), so never mind.

Edited to add a blockquote.

Originally posted to Timbuk3 on Sun Apr 27, 2014 at 08:28 PM PDT.

Also republished by Street Prophets .

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  •  Tip Jar (9+ / 1-)

    "Doing My Part to Piss Off the Religious Right" - A sign held by a 10-year old boy on 9-24-05

    by Timbuk3 on Sun Apr 27, 2014 at 08:28:42 PM PDT

  •  Science Beats Religion (3+ / 0-)
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    peacestpete, Prinny Squad, Rogneid

    "Doing My Part to Piss Off the Religious Right" - A sign held by a 10-year old boy on 9-24-05

    by Timbuk3 on Sun Apr 27, 2014 at 08:40:55 PM PDT

  •  I may be an atheist (4+ / 0-)

    but I am not interested in seeing the smarmy, condescending, unbridled hate of the religious exemplified by this diary, and I'm certainly not interested in being tainted by association with the kind of atheist who'd support this.

    It should have no place here.

    HRed accordingly.

    "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

    by raptavio on Sun Apr 27, 2014 at 09:09:46 PM PDT

    •  Thank you. (2+ / 0-)
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      rduran, raptavio

      The diary promotes intolerance, ignorance, and neoliberal foolishness, all in the name of, uh, something.

      If you want to argue that the US is less than perfect, I can't disagree, but I'd ask you to look at Saudi Arabia, where petroleum oozes out of the ground like pus oozes out of a pestilent wound, yet women can't drive because of Sharia law. Where would you rather live?

      "Trust me... I've been right before." ~ Tea party patriot

      by Calvino Partigiani on Sun Apr 27, 2014 at 09:42:05 PM PDT

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    •  So you're OK with this: (0+ / 0-)
      "more than 1,300 people who for months had been trapped by violent Christian militants"
      And it's my diary that exhibits "unbridled hate"?

      From your profile:

      What fascinates me in the world of politics is how many people seem to be driven by hatred - it motivates them and shapes their philosophy to the point that they go out of their way to feed that hatred and revel in it. Fascinating, and disturbing.
      So you found exactly what you were looking for and your philosophy is somehow validated?

      What fascinates ME is how many people seem to be driven by the need to validate their (often incorrect) preconceptions about others.

      "I don't care if you want to" and "if that's what you choose to believe, it doesn't affect me" isn't "unbridled hate". It's indifference.

      "more than 1,300 people who for months had been trapped by violent (fill in a group)" is unbridled hate.

      Learn the difference.

      "Doing My Part to Piss Off the Religious Right" - A sign held by a 10-year old boy on 9-24-05

      by Timbuk3 on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 05:44:59 AM PDT

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      •  You're desperate (1+ / 0-)
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        Calvino Partigiani

        to defend your bullshit and so you must lie.

        I hate violence. But unlike you, I don't blame Pope Francis for the acts of the militants.

        You see religious people doing terrible things, and you blame religion.

        It's stupid, it's false, and it's nothing more than a device to make yourself, as an atheist, feel superior to the religious.

        "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

        by raptavio on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 06:01:06 AM PDT

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        •  That's a lot of assumptions (0+ / 0-)

          I'm not an athiest.

          I don't blame Pope Francis for the acts of the militants.

          I don't see religious people doing terrible things and blame religion, and I don't see myself as superior to the religious.

          I'm simply observing that religion can be and is used to martial people to do terrible things, and of the major religions it's the monotheistic religions (judaism, christianity, and islam) that are most prone to this.

          I haven't written a word that I believe to be a lie.

          You, on the other hand, seem so desparate to prove something that you can't possibley know that you make up things about me.

          "Doing My Part to Piss Off the Religious Right" - A sign held by a 10-year old boy on 9-24-05

          by Timbuk3 on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 10:04:55 AM PDT

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          •  Polytheist, then, or agnostic? (0+ / 0-)

            BTW -- agnosticism and atheism are not mutually exclusive. I'm both.

            But here:

            If monotheistic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) won't end themselves by attrition, we need to end them by ridicule and pointing out their own internal hypocrisy.
            Sure seems like you're expressly, overtly, and full-throatedly blaming the religion, not the fact that it can be and is being used for evil ends. That latter statement is very defensible(and true!). But you're demanding the religions themselves be destroyed.

            I think you're trying to backpedal here. No sell.

            "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

            by raptavio on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 10:14:32 AM PDT

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            •  Ya know ... (0+ / 0-)

              ... I've decided you've contributed nothing to the conversation. I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK.

              Sure seems like you're expressly, overtly, and full-throatedly blaming the religion, not the fact that it can be and is being used for evil ends.
              Look, dude, YOU reacted to my diary with hatred and derision, and character assassination, with no evidence that any of your interpretation is correct.

              Do I think that the utter destruction of monotheistic religions would be a good thing for mankind?

              Yes.

              Do I hope that it happens naturally? Yes.

              Do I think that discouraging people form joining a cult that thinks their god pisses on other gods? Yes.

              But your accusations ar tantamount to accusing me of being  a member of these cults.

              I should be HR'ing you, for misunderstanding "the fules",  but my understanding of "the rul3s" I can't. Because you HR'd me, first.

              Again, I can 't express my lack of care about what you think. I think you're a PROVEN lair, but then again I don't care what you think.

              SO

              Where do we go from here?

              Just for shits and grinj: RESPECT me, or I will go out of my way to DESTROY you.

              You've asked some questions that I have no obligation to respect.

              Lift the HR, or make way for bad times.

              "Doing My Part to Piss Off the Religious Right" - A sign held by a 10-year old boy on 9-24-05

              by Timbuk3 on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 08:37:40 PM PDT

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              •  Sorry for the typos (0+ / 0-)

                Fules +Rules. etc.

                And my opinion is that raptavio is ...

                Well, you decide.

                "Doing My Part to Piss Off the Religious Right" - A sign held by a 10-year old boy on 9-24-05

                by Timbuk3 on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 08:52:04 PM PDT

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              •  You're seriously threatening me? (0+ / 0-)

                I QUOTE you tying the militants to the need to cause the end of the Abrahamic faiths if they won't end themselves, and your response is to be THIS unhinged?

                Me thinks you doth protest too much, bub.

                Dude. Get a fucking grip. And by the way, that's the most toothless threat I've ever seen on DKos and I've been here nearly ten years.

                Besides, it's been more than 24 hours; the HR is set in stone anyway.

                "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

                by raptavio on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 08:59:48 PM PDT

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                •  Yeah, that was over the top (0+ / 0-)

                  Please accept my sincere apology.

                  Not to make excuses, or suggest that even this is OK, but what I meant by "destroy you" is destroy your reputation, not you, personally. Again, not OK, but at least you'll know what I meant.

                  Other than that, I don't care enough about you to stalk you.

                  "Doing My Part to Piss Off the Religious Right" - A sign held by a 10-year old boy on 9-24-05

                  by Timbuk3 on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 09:49:01 AM PDT

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                  •  I knew what you meant. (0+ / 0-)

                    No explanation is necessary.

                    And I hope there's nobody you "care enough about" to stalk, least of all me.

                    But thanks for dialing it back. That shows character.

                    "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

                    by raptavio on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 09:55:37 AM PDT

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                    •  LOL (1+ / 0-)
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                      raptavio

                      "I hope there's nobody you "care enough about" to stalk".

                      Nope. I thought about that ("maybe he's stalking someone else") as I typed it. No, I'm not a stalker. I have way too many other things to do, not to mention it's a little bit creepy.

                      "thanks for dialing it back. That shows character."

                      You're welcome. Thanks for saying so.

                      "Doing My Part to Piss Off the Religious Right" - A sign held by a 10-year old boy on 9-24-05

                      by Timbuk3 on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 02:46:22 PM PDT

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  •  I'm not familiar with any particular religious (0+ / 0-)

    reasons why Alexander, Genghis Khan, Hitler, Mao, Ho Chi Minh, et. al decided war was their best alternative. WWTD if someone decides they just want to bury you 'cause they want your stuff?

  •  So, are you volunteering to go (0+ / 0-)

    ridicule monotheism in the Central African Republic into obscurity?

    Good luck with that.

  •  the current African wars are complex matters (2+ / 0-)
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    Timbuk3, David54

    with various competing tribal groups carrying out warfare against traditional enemies.  In other cases, you have displaced militias who are being pushed out of traditional territories into other territories where they encounter new enemies.  

    The current patchwork of religion fueled warfare is too extensive to be cataloged in a comment except to note that American evangelical groups are doing no one any favors by becoming involved (Pat Robertson was buddies with warlords and reportedly made millions off blood diamonds, illegal gold mining, gun running and even human trafficking)

    That being said, it may also be noted that last week 238 girls were kidnapped in Nigeria by Islamic extremists
    http://time.com/... so it appears no side in these conflicts are really attractive to any one concerned with human rights violations.  All sides engage in flagrant violations

  •  Well, according to the scriptures, (1+ / 0-)
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    Timbuk3

    Jesus asked his followers to get together on occasion and have a meal to memorialize him, and that evolved into the "sacrament".
    Another metaphor that some moron took literally.

    I'm with you, completely, about the religious right. That's why I recently changed their name (in all my comments) to the Christian Nationalists.

    It's apt, it separates them from non-reactionary, non-authoritarian, non-violent Christians who just try to live a better life.

    It also has considerable historical baggage which is germane to the danger of ...well, Christian Nationalism.

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 05:46:56 AM PDT

    •  Not to Mention Crypto-Fascist n/t (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Timbuk3, David54

      "A famous person once said, 'You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.' But as I once said, "If you don't teach them to read, you can fool them whenever you like." – Max Headroom

      by midnight lurker on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 06:41:48 AM PDT

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