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April started quietly, as it behooves any month that starts with April 1 to do.

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And, of course, with 7.1 million ACA signups to cheer about.

Much enjoyment accompanied the discovery of the Daily Kos logo precursor attached to an OpEd by Charles Koch in the Wall Street Journal.

HoundDog brought up a problem(?) with the number of people who actually recommend diaries, and did, and sparked, a couple of followups. Even if the problem isn't quite as bad as it sounded, kudos for trying to push recognition for good writing.

A very right hand thread in this RKBA diary sparked a response from rexymeteorite.

On April 12 the Cliven Bundy story blew up. Including the referenced diary, search counted 78 diaries referencing Bundy in the next five days. With a bit of heavy meta from Bob after some of the shouting died.

There was a short reprise of the Snowden/NSA kerfluffle, kicked off by news about the HeartBleed glitch, and a Putin interview. Okay, not so short - 36 diaries referencing Snowden as of 4/19.

I solved the problem I was having with doing searches on Diaries by asking Search to show me every diary containing "the". Amazing what a difference it makes. What I was looking for was a way to find the median number of comments and recs, to get some idea of just what kind of response most diaries get.

For 2013:
Total # of diaries: 63,641, or 174/day, 7.25/hr, a diary every 8.25 minutes.
Median # of recs per diary: 16
Median # of comments per diary: 20

It's still a matter of "the higher, the fewer", but it's good to know that half of all diaries published (not counting spam) manage to pull in at least 16 recs.


For the period of 4/1/14 through 4/30/14
Quantcast unique users:6,340,411 (3/31-4/29)
Number of signups: 9,482

108 of these new users are already bojo from spambot or community action. I've given up trying to count how many are caught before commenting, because there's no simple way to search for them.

Diaries (does not count spam deletes)
By Diary search: 4,915
Diaries by tip jar count: 4,286 (old measure - for comparison and percentages)
Avg diaries per day: 163; 1 diary every 9 minutes
Diarists: 1,386
Diaries with one or more HRs in the Tip Jar: 52 1.1%
Diaries with 5 or more HRs in the Tip Jar: 15
Diaries with 5 or more of both Tips and HRs: 5
Users who published diaries during that period and are now bojo: 65

Comments (includes tip jars, spam, etc., but not necessarily tip jars from deleted diaries) 245,394
Commenters: 8,633
Number of those commenters now bojo:118
Comments with HRs: 508 .21%
    1 HR: 211 .086%
    2-4 HRs: 149 .059%
    5 or more HRs: 148 .060%
    5 or more of both HRs and Recs: 26 .0106%

Note: every few days there are a dozen comments or so bemoaning the "fact" that community moderation is broken, traducing the Help Desk, and wishing Meteor Blades was back on the job of moderating the site. Why anyone would hate Meteor Blades that much is beyond me.

From my comment here:

At least half and possibly up to 3/4 of all HRs are effectively uncontested - for bald sexism or racism, attempts at spam, calls for violence, screamingly RW attempts to derail, etc. That would mean that the "problem" amounts to something like one tenth of one percent of the interactions going on.
This is not a broken system.

Originally posted to serendipityisabitch on Thu May 01, 2014 at 05:06 AM PDT.

Also republished by Pie and Meta Lovers Anonymous.

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  •  Tip Jar (28+ / 0-)

    At least half the future I've been expecting hasn't gotten here yet. Sigh.... (Yes, there's gender bias in my name; no, I wasn't thinking about it when I signed up. My apologies.)

    by serendipityisabitch on Thu May 01, 2014 at 05:06:13 AM PDT

  •  Love looking at the bigger picture. Thanks! n/t (12+ / 0-)

    "A man of great wealth owes a peculiar obligation to the state because he derives special advantages from the mere existence of government.." - Teddy Roosevelt -8.12, -5.18

    by ncarolinagirl on Thu May 01, 2014 at 05:16:13 AM PDT

  •  I've never seen moderation here at DK as on (2+ / 0-)
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    Kasoru, Joy of Fishes

    other large web sites. The lack of moderation causes me to for sure post much less often and to not speak my mind. That is the intent of hr's to keep one you disagree with from posting. A quick look at the hiddens reveals almost all hrs are for disagreement disguised as something else, if a real reason can't be found it's attributed to dickishness or disruption or gall bladder surgery.

    I find DK wandering into a narrower and narrower subset of Democrats as it becomes self selecting. Someone wondered the other day (offsite of course), how many DK members are actually Democrats.

    The only upside is when reality collectively smacks the community upside the head in an election or legislation, and the only reason it's an upside is because it's amusing.

    Look at the diary I posted last night. That's what I post here anymore. Mindless fluff for the amusement of those easily amused.

    “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

    by ban nock on Thu May 01, 2014 at 05:49:35 AM PDT

    •  A quick look at the hiddens, like a quick look at (5+ / 0-)

      most things, can give you a very biased sample. That's why I take the time to actually read the whole list, on an irregular basis. Read the last 50 or 100 hidden comments, and you will find - surprise! - a large group of people who actually are trying to make this site work, and doing a pretty good job of it. You will also find a number of exceptions to that. So?

      One can always select out subgroups to fit one's biases, but only if one doesn't want to see the entire picture.

      At least half the future I've been expecting hasn't gotten here yet. Sigh.... (Yes, there's gender bias in my name; no, I wasn't thinking about it when I signed up. My apologies.)

      by serendipityisabitch on Thu May 01, 2014 at 06:31:21 AM PDT

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    •  I have seen some of the behavior ... (3+ / 0-)
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      ban nock, Kasoru, serendipityisabitch

      ... you describe, ban nock.  Sometimes, it seems people forget that it is possible to disagree without being disagreeable.  And purely selfishly, I hope you continue writing about the things that interest you because I really like your posts.  

      Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.

      by Joy of Fishes on Thu May 01, 2014 at 03:54:37 PM PDT

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  •  Thanks for the recap and the stats. (8+ / 0-)

    Recc'd, if for no other reason than for this:

    Note: every few days there are a dozen comments or so bemoaning the "fact" that community moderation is broken, traducing the Help Desk, and wishing Meteor Blades was back on the job of moderating the site. Why anyone would hate Meteor Blades that much is beyond me.

    I’ve said before, I will always work with anyone who is willing to make this law work even better. But the debate over repealing this law is over. The Affordable Care Act is here to stay. -- President Barack Obama

    by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Thu May 01, 2014 at 06:15:52 AM PDT

  •  I already can guess who is begging (1+ / 0-)
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    Penny GC

    For meteor blades to come back as moderator. Its funny bc the moderation has not really changed IMO.

    I love president Obama!!!

    by freakofsociety on Thu May 01, 2014 at 06:39:24 AM PDT

  •  are we STILL on this. mother of Quoth! (2+ / 0-)
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    serendipityisabitch, Penny GC

    Dawkins is to atheism as Rand is to personal responsibility. uid 52583 lol

    by terrypinder on Thu May 01, 2014 at 06:54:39 AM PDT

  •  Nice diary...plan on doing this monthly? Nt (4+ / 0-)

    While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

    by GoGoGoEverton on Thu May 01, 2014 at 07:13:15 AM PDT

  •  Kudos for data - it's nice to see a current look (7+ / 0-)

    back confirms what I found a while ago. I suspect the ego pain of a HR for some people is so immense that they can't process it in the context of the whole site.



    Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

    by Wee Mama on Thu May 01, 2014 at 07:16:48 AM PDT

  •  Well since this is about pie (9+ / 0-)

    I guess I'll weigh in even though I usually lurk.

    You guys seem to really love your pie. So much that you analyze it in depth like this.

    If "community moderation" is working so well, why am I scared to post about politics on a site about politics?

    Since this is the place to talk about pie, since the "why are you here" debacle, which many of you think is not a debacle but some kind of victory, I haven't really wanted to comment much.

    If you hate the "evil corporatist right-centrist oligarchic" Democratic Party so darn much I wonder... why are you here?

    Take that crap to Redstate where it belongs.

    The diary is old, but is now part of official site policy, since Kos gave it his blessing. Since then I don't take what I read at this site very seriously. If you think this site is a welcoming place for new users or for anyone whose views are to the left of Hillary's, you're not paying attention.

    I certainly don't feel welcome here. If that's the intent of "community moderation", you're succeeding.

    On the plus side, there are good diaries about cycling here occasionally, and I recently discovered "The Daily Bucket" which I really like, where I can talk about nature and science, so I'll probably just post there where it's safe.

    I better be careful, new users who actually pay attention are often accused of "knowing too much" about this site... like I said, DailyKos is a scary place to post.

    I'll probably regret posting this comment.

    ummm, I mean, community moderation is great... (Please don't throw things at me)

    •  and yet the most popular site users (3+ / 0-)
      If you think this site is a welcoming place for new users or for anyone whose views are to the left of Hillary's, you're not paying attention.
      and those who generally dominate the rec list every day are quite far to the left of hillary.

      i have no idea what trouble you got into though.

      Dawkins is to atheism as Rand is to personal responsibility. uid 52583 lol

      by terrypinder on Thu May 01, 2014 at 07:37:29 AM PDT

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    •  True, when the pie starts flying, it can get (4+ / 0-)
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      poco, red ear slider, Penny GC, Hey338Too

      vicious around here, at least in a few places. One of the things I was trying to do with this, and previous diaries on this subject, was point out how much isn't involved in the ongoing (and loud) feuds that can attract so much attention.

      At least half the future I've been expecting hasn't gotten here yet. Sigh.... (Yes, there's gender bias in my name; no, I wasn't thinking about it when I signed up. My apologies.)

      by serendipityisabitch on Thu May 01, 2014 at 07:41:47 AM PDT

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    •  well... (2+ / 0-)
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      serendipityisabitch, Hey338Too
      If "community moderation" is working so well, why am I scared to post about politics on a site about politics?
      People can be jerks. Community moderation definitely doesn't fix that. I thought the diarist's point was that HR abuse is not a major problem.
      I certainly don't feel welcome here. If that's the intent of "community moderation", you're succeeding.
      Who are you complaining about, and why? Are you complaining because a front pager asked, "If you hate the 'evil corporatist right-centrist oligarchic' Democratic Party so darn much I wonder... why are you here?"? Do you construe that as a veiled attack upon everyone to the left of Hillary Clinton? What do you think she should have written instead?

      "Democracy is a political system for people who are not sure they are right." —E. E. Schattschneider

      by HudsonValleyMark on Thu May 01, 2014 at 07:53:30 AM PDT

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      •  Veiled? It was very clear. (0+ / 0-)

        and so was Kos's response. True that there are some great front page writers with liberal views, like Laura Clawson and Joan McCarter. But that diary and Kos's response were clear.

        What should she have written? Maybe something not so divisive. People can write what they want, I'm more troubled that it was endorsed by the owners of this site.

        I can't see hidden comments, so I don't know much about that. But the few HR's I do see seem to be motivated by political leanings or group mentality.

        I got the response I expected, along the lines of "problem, what problem? There's no problem."

        Anyway, I'm done posting about pie for today.

        I'll keep lurking and checking threads with less pie. Pie goes straight to my beer belly anyways when I have too much. Sorry to bother everyone while they're eating dessert...

        (re-lurks)

        •  hmmm (2+ / 0-)

          I'm not sure what you are saying. You think it's "very clear" that a statement about people who "hate the... Democratic Party" was directed at everyone to the left of Hillary Clinton, even when it's coming from someone who seems to be pretty far left of Hillary Clinton herself?

          Presumably you think you are reading between the lines, but is it possible that you're misreading? If you actually avoid the big arguments here, it would stand to reason that you wouldn't be very familiar with the details of what they're about, wouldn't it?

          I can't see hidden comments, so I don't know much about that. But the few HR's I do see seem to be motivated by political leanings or group mentality.
          I have to admit that it's been a long time since I've thought about this from a non-TU's perspective. If you can only see HRs on comments that haven't been hidden, then you're disproportionately (if not exclusively) seeing marginal HRs. And since not very many comments get hidden anyway, you wouldn't ordinarily have much chance to see how it works.

          "Democracy is a political system for people who are not sure they are right." —E. E. Schattschneider

          by HudsonValleyMark on Thu May 01, 2014 at 11:06:34 AM PDT

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          •  Two other possibilities, but the most likely one (0+ / 0-)

            is that he's seeing comments with both multiple HRs and Recs. And those are certainly the ones that are likely to be the debatables, a lot more influenced by personal animus. There may not be many of them, but when they happen they can take over major parts of a diary, just with people arguing back and forth over who did what to who.

            At least half the future I've been expecting hasn't gotten here yet. Sigh.... (Yes, there's gender bias in my name; no, I wasn't thinking about it when I signed up. My apologies.)

            by serendipityisabitch on Thu May 01, 2014 at 12:03:54 PM PDT

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  •  heh (4+ / 0-)

    had to tip ya for this:

    ...and wishing Meteor Blades was back on the job of moderating the site. Why anyone would hate Meteor Blades that much is beyond me.

    If I can't dance I don't want to be part of your revolution. ~ Emma Goldman

    by Lady Libertine on Thu May 01, 2014 at 07:33:34 AM PDT

  •  MMMM, pie. I like all kinds, berry pie, fruit pie, (1+ / 0-)
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    serendipityisabitch

    chocolate pie, mmmm. So long as the crust is flakey and not soggy, I got no problems with pie.
    Thanks for the diary(s) on the subject. I found that when I tend to have pie issues, it usually can be attributed to the fact that we are all "talking" online. You cannot hear snark, you cannot hear tone, and I find that usually I am feeling passionate about a subject and I might not be making the the best decisions on HOW to get MY point across...or people are just being jerks...So thanks again SIAB! For going where others fear to tread...lightly...no mines going off yet. (Ducks to miss the banana cream soaring her way)
    Peace and Blessings!

    “When you victim-blame, be aware that in all likelihood, at least one woman you know and love silently decides she cannot trust you.” ` Steph Guthrie

    by Penny GC on Thu May 01, 2014 at 08:52:00 AM PDT

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