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Russian Nationalist Alexander Dugin wrote a letter to the American people to explain Russia's position on the Ukraine crisis. A "mystic", an extreme right-winger, and a Russian nationalist, Dugin has nothing in common with most people here. Nonetheless, he heavily influences President Vladimir Putin's thinking. To predict Putin's behavior and to understand where he is coming from, it is necessary to be familiar with Dugin and his writings, many of which are deeply disturbing. He is similar to Rasputin, a mystic who had the ear of Czar Nicholas.

Dugin is an authoritarian who rejects liberal values, pluralism, or inclusion. He believes that Ukraine is an artificial creation of history, one that has no historical significance. He says that Kyiv was where Russia was really founded and that the land had always belonged to Russia. He is an anti-semite, which explains why the Jewish communities in Ukraine did not bite when Russia accused Ukraine of having Neo-Nazi connections. This is ironic given that Dugin himself has associated with Neo-Nazis to form an international alliance.

But in diplomacy, dealing with unpleasant people and extremists are a fact of life. This is a conflict that requires a diplomatic solution just like Iran and Northern Ireland. Dugin, in his letter, starts:

1. We distinguish between two different things: the American people and the American political elite. We sincerely love the first and we profoundly hate the second.

2. The American people has its own traditions, habits, values, ideals, options and beliefs that are their own. These grant to everybody the right to be different, to choose freely, to be what one wants to be and can be or become. It is wonderful feature. It gives strength and pride, self-esteem and assurance. We Russians admire that.

3. But the American political elite, above all on an international level, are and act quite contrary to these values. They insist on conformity and regard the American way of life as something universal and obligatory. They deny other people the right to difference, they impose on everybody the standards of so called “democracy”, “liberalism”, “human rights” and so on that have in many cases nothing to do with the set of values shared by the non-Western or simply not North-American society. It is an obvious contradiction with inner ideals and standards of America. Nationally the right to difference is assured, internationally it is denied. So we think that something is wrong with the American political elite and their double standards. Where habits became the norms and contradictions are taken for logic. We cannot understand it, nor can we accept it: it seems that the American political elite is not American at all.

He proceeds with a history lesson, claiming that Ukraine has always been part of Russia and that Russia was founded in Kiev.
Russians consider Ukraine as being part of the Greater Russia. That was historically so – not by the conquest, but by the genesis of Russian Statehood that started precisely in Kiev. Around Kiev our people and our State were constructed in the IX century. It is our center, our first beloved capital. Later in the XII-XIII centuries different parts of Kievian Russia were more or less independent with two main rivals – the Western principalities Galitsia and Wolyn and the Eastern principality of Vladimir (which later became Moscow) existing. All of these areas were populated by the same nation, Eastern Slavs, all of whom were Orthodox Christian. But the princes of the West were more engaged in European politics and they had more direct contact with Western Christianity and relatively less with the Eastern branches. The title of Great Princes was held in the East by royalty who were considered the masters of the whole of Russia (not always de facto but de jure). In the Mongol period the West as well as the East of our Russian principalities were held under the Golden Horde. Eastern Russia was more or less solid and its power grew around the new capital Moscow. After the fall of the Tartars the rule of the Moscow principality affirmed itself as a regional hegemon that was confirmed by the fall of Byzantine Empire. Hence the doctrine of Moscow as the Third Rome.
China used this argument as a pretext to invade and annex Tibet in the 1950's. Dugin argues that Russia is the Third Rome while America and her allies are the "New Carthage." In other writings, he has argued that this is a struggle that will not end unless one or the other is destroyed. Here, he demands that the US give up NATO and focus on the Monroe Doctrine, where it protects its hemisphere. This brand of Eurasian nationalism was devised by monarchists following the Revolution of 1917 and subsequent exile of the defeated Czarists. It was then forgotten until the collapse of Communism. Putin has called this the greatest catastrophe in Russian history, exceeding even that of World War II. The collapse of Communism created an ideological vacuum, one which Dugin and his followers in military and political circles have been filling ever since.

Dugin goes on to argue that Ukraine was an artificial creation, that the East and West have two mutually exclusive sets of values, and that none of Ukraine's leaders have succeeded in reconciling the mutually exclusive demands of the two different areas.

1. The contradiction of Ukraine consists in the multiplicity of identities. Just after the declaration of the new state – the modern Ukraine in 1991 – the question of pan-Ukrainian identity arose. Such a State and nation never existed in history. So the nation had to be constructed. But the three main identities were very different. Crimea populated by Greater Russians along with most parts of Novorossia which were clearly attracted to the Russian Federation. The Western Russians claimed to be the core of a very specific “Ukrainian nation” that they imagined in order to serve their cause. The Western Russians who partly supported Hitler in WWII (Bandera, Shukhevich) possessed and still possess strong ethnic identity where the hatred toward Great Russians (as well as toward Poles to a lesser scale) plays a central role in this identity. This can be traced to the past rivalry of the two Russian feudal principalities projected onto imperial times and followed by Stalin’s purges. These purges were directed against all ethnic groups, but Western Russians read it as the revenge of the Great Russians on them (Stalin was Georgian and the Bolsheviks were internationalists). So the chosen identity of the newly created State of Ukraine was exclusively Western Russian (purely Galitsia / Wolyn style) with no place for a Novorossia and Great Russian identity.

2. This particularity was expressed in two opposite geopolitical options: Western or Eastern, Europe or Russia. The Western lands of Ukraine were in favor of European integration, the Eastern and Crimea in favor of strengthening relations with Russia. The men from Galtsya were dominant in the political elite presenting a Ukraine with only one identity – a Western one – and denying any attempt of the South and East to express their own vision. In the Western Ukraine anti-sovietism was deeply rooted as well as certain complaisance with the ideas of Bandera and Shukhevich who were considered as national heroes of a new Ukraine. The hatred toward Great Russians was dominant and all anti-Russian xenophobic rhetoric hailed.

Yanukovych, in Dugin's view, was the wrong sort of person to lead Ukraine.
Yanukovych led the politics of balance. He was not really pro-Russian but didn’t respond to all demands of the West either. He was not very lucky and effective, trying to trick Putin and Obama, disappointing both as well as Ukrainians of any side. He was an opportunist without a real integral strategy, which was almost impossible to develop in a society with a split personality and a split identity. He reacted more than acted.
Ultimately, he committed an act of high treason against his country when he called in Russia to take over Crimea. He admitted to this in an interview with the Associated Press. Dugin then recounts the standard Russian propaganda narrative regarding the Euromaidan Revolution. His assertion that the snipers were part of the American plot to overthrow the Ukrainian government is simply not true; even Russia Today did not claim that. RT claimed, without sufficient factual basis, that the sniper attacks were a false flag operation carried out by the protestors to make Yanukovych look bad. Both assertions were debunked by the Daily Beast.

He says that Russia's seizure of Crimea was based in part on the belief that the new government would no longer allow Russia to maintain its naval base there. Here is the entire list of justifications:

*  declaration of wishing entrance into NATO

*  attacks on the use of the Russian language

*  a plea to be accepted in the EU

*  a refusal for Russia to continue to have a Navy base in Sebastopol (Crimea)

*  the appointment of corrupted tycoons as governors in the East and South Ukraine.

Dugin believes that the endgame for Ukraine will be a partition between the two halves of Ukraine.
1. Where will this lead? Logically Ukraine as it was during the 23 years of its history has ceased to exist. It is irreversible. Russia has integrated Crimea and declared herself the guarantor of the liberty of the freedom of choice of the East and South of Ukraine (Novorossia).

2. So in the near future there will be the creation of two (at least) independent political entities corresponding to the two identities mentioned earlier. The Western Ukraine with their pro-NATO position and at the same time a ultra-nationalist ideology and Novorossia with a pro-Russian (and pro-Eurasian) orientation (apparently without any ideology, just like Russia herself). The West of Ukraine will protest trying to keep hold over the East and South. It is impossible by democratic means so the nationalists will try to use violence. After a certain time the resistance of the East and South will grow and / or Russia will intervene.

3. The USA and NATO countries will support by all means the Westerns and the Kiev junta. But in reality this strategy will only worsen the situation. The essence of the problem lays here: if Russia intervenes in the affairs of the State whose population (the majority) regard this intervention as illegitimate, the position of the USA and NATO States would be natural and well founded. But in this situation the population of the East and South of Ukraine welcomes Russia, waits for it, pleads for Russia to come. There is a kind of civil war in Ukraine now. Russia openly supports the East and South. The USA and NATO back the West. The Westerns are trying to get all Ukraine to affirm that not all the population of the East and South is happy with Russia. This is quite true. Also true is that not all of the population of the West is happy with Right Sector, Bandera, Shukhevich and the rule of tycoons. So if Russia would invade the Western parts of Ukraine or Kiev that could be considered as a kind of illegitimate aggression. But the same aggression is in present circumstances the position of the USA that strives to help the Kiev junta take the control of the East and South. It is perceived as an illegitimate act of aggression and it will provoke fierce resistance.

He concludes:
1. Now here is what I would say to the American people. The American political elite has tried in this situation as well as in many others to make the Russians hate Americans. But it has failed. We hate the American political elite that brings death, terror, lies and bloodshed everywhere – in Serbia, in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in Libya, in Syria – and now in Ukraine. We hate the global oligarchy that has usurped America and uses her as its tool. We hate the double standard of their politics where they call “fascist” innocent citizens without any feature resembling fascist ideology and in the same breath deny the open Hitlerists and Bandera admirers the qualification of “Nazi” in the Ukraine. All that the American political elite speaks or creates (with small exceptions) is one big lie. And we hate that lie because the victims of this lie are not only ourselves, but also you the American people. You believe them, you vote for them. You have confidence in them. But they deceive and betray you.

2. We have no thoughts of or desire to hurt America. We are far from you. America is for Americans as President Monroe used to say. For Americans interests and not for others. Not for Russians. Yes, this is quite reasonable. You want to be free. You and all others deserve it. But what the hell you are doing in the capital of ancient Russia, Victoria Nuland? Why do you intervene in our domestic affairs? We follow law and logic, lines of history and respect identities, differences. It is not an American affair. Is it?

3. I am sure that the separation line between Americans and the American political elite is very deep. Any honest American calmly studying the case will arrive to the conclusion: “let them decide for themselves. We are not similar to these strange and wild Russians, but let them go their own way. And we are going to go our own way.” But the American political elite has another agenda: to provoke wars, to mix in regional conflicts, to incite the hatred of different ethnic groups. The American political elites sacrifice American people to causes that are far from you, vague, uncertain and finally very very bad.

4. The American people should not choose to be with Ukrainians (Western Russians – Galitsya,Wolyn) or with Russians (Great Russians). That is not the case. Be with America, with real America, with your values and your people. Help yourselves and let us be what we are. But the American political elite makes the decisions instead of You. It lies to you, it dis-informs you. It shows faked pictures and falsely stages events with completely imagined explanations and idiotic commentary. They lie about us. And they lie about you. They give you a distorted image of yourself. The American political elite has stolen, perverted and counterfeited the American identity. And they make us hate you and they make you hate us.

5. This is my idea and suggestion: let us hate the American political elite together. Let us fight them for our identities – you for the American, us for the Russian, but the enemy is in both cases the same – the global oligarchy who rules the word using you and smashing us. Let us revolt. Let us resist. Together. Russians and Americans. We are the people. We are not their puppets.

These remarks explain why RT always seems to have a ton of libertarians, anti-war activists, LaRouchies, and other people who would otherwise not have a platform. RT is one of the most watched channels on YouTube, with over a billion viewers including many Americans. Dugin demands that we revert to our isolationist ways. But I would respond that the whole purpose of the UN was to facilitate dialogue so that we could prevent a third world war. The problem is that it has too often been used to facilitate American aggression instead of building a more just world.

Not all people within Putin's circles share Dugin's views; a few days ago, Interpreter discussed an op-ed by Dugin in the Russian press in which he referred to "sixth columnists." Allegedly, these, according to him, are people who don't buy into the program and are undermining it in some way.

There has been much speculation about where Russia might strike next in light of Dugin's stated imperialistic, expansionist views. Estonia has been mentioned as a possible candidate given that Russia has recently done tit for tat helicopter exercises in response to NATO's show of force there. Also, Russia has complained in the past about what it sees as Estonia's mistreatment of Russian minorities. Furthermore, Obama set a red line on Syria's use of chemical weapons only to back away from that. If Putin does to Estonia what he is doing to Ukraine and Estonia invokes Article 5, one of two things will happen -- NATO will respond despite the risk of World War III and a nuclear conflict. The other possibility is that they won't respond and they will cease to exist as a relevant entity. The Constitution states that the US is bound by the treaties that it signs. Therefore, they would be bound by treaty to come to Estonia's defense, unlike what happened in Syria.

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  •  It's vaguely amusing that he addresses himself (6+ / 0-)

    to the American people as if we have any actual control over our political elites. Apparently, he never saw footage of the protests opposing Bush's imperial adventure in Iraq.

    As poll after poll demonstrates, our politicians are not particularly mindful of what we want.

    To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

    by UntimelyRippd on Thu May 01, 2014 at 09:22:56 PM PDT

    •  He realizes this. (4+ / 0-)
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      mookins, Dauphin, joe from Lowell, native

      His point is to build an international coalition to undermine Western resolve in dealing with Russian aggression.

      "The cost of liberty is less than the price of repression." - W.E.B. Du Bois Be informed. Fight the Police State.

      by Eternal Hope on Thu May 01, 2014 at 09:50:05 PM PDT

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    •  So STUPID to be threatening & insulting Putin (0+ / 0-)

      especially since:

      1)  Ukraine's coup was threatening Russia's only frost-free port, in Crimea.  Did anyone really think they would give that up?  We claim that people even saying mean things about us on the other side of the world justifies our bombing them and assorted bystanders, in anyone else's country.  Does that principle apply equally to other countries?

      2)  The group we're supporting, apparently dominated by neo-Nazis from what I read, violently overthrew their elected government (with our encouragement, according to The Nation), and the ethnic Russians in Crimea actually had an election (however imperfect it might be).

      3)  Putin has actually been helpful to us in a number of cases:  Afghanistan, Iran, Syria's nerve gases, Boston's ignored-by-the-FBI bomber ...

      4)  Russia is not Yemen.  Pushed far enough, it is the only country that could still wipe us out.  But we've made a big point of putting NATO armaments around its borders, despite earlier agreements not to do that.  

      5)  Ukraine is a recently cobbled-together country.

      6)  Ukraine does not belong to us, and does not even adjoin the US, as it adjoins Russia.

      7)  Are we going to take responsibility for Chernobyl (in Ukraine)?

      8)  Doesn't this push sound a lot like the drumbeat buildup in DC and the media for war in Iraq?  Haven't we learned anything?  Wag the Dog again?

      9)  What about our climate and economic problems? This is a big diversion of attention and resources from what we urgently need to do, for our own survival.

      •  Thanks for your reply. (0+ / 0-)

        1. The Crimean people have a right to self-determination; while I have serious problems with how the referendum vote was administered, they would likely have voted to rejoin Russia in a fair election.

        2. While the people in charge are not Neo-Nazis, there are, sadly, plenty of them in the background. I saw pictures of around 500 people in the west displaying Banderite logos, for instance. And I saw one post in particular that claimed that Germany's army did not have anything to do with the Holocaust (they did).

        3. True. We have a lot of mutual interests in stopping terrorism, climate change, space exploration, and other areas.

        4. We should support Ukraine as a neutral state with political neutrality towards both NATO and Russia. They could pursue economic ties with either EU or Russia, but they should not have to choose between EU and Russia.

        5 + 6. Russia has stated that they were acting in accordance with international law. That should be our main concern; the rest is between Russia and Ukraine. Ukraine has historic ties with Russia dating back to the 9th century; Russia was founded in Kyiv, for instance.

        7. We should.

        8 + 9. All sides need to tone down their rhetoric. Like I said above, we need to focus on our mutual interests instead of what divides us. I'd like to see the UN become a forum where the US, Russia, and China cooperate to solve the world's problems instead of creating them. I can see your point about the drumbeat for war, and that is something we do not need.

        "The cost of liberty is less than the price of repression." - W.E.B. Du Bois Be informed. Fight the Police State.

        by Eternal Hope on Fri May 02, 2014 at 02:51:32 PM PDT

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    •  "our politicians are not particularly mindful of (2+ / 0-)
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      Sunspots, Eternal Hope

      what we want"

      As evidenced by years of US meddling around the globe, leading to.........

      a DOD consuming 23% of the national budget, and is the world's largest employer with 3.2 million employees.

  •  Dugin is not a mystic (8+ / 0-)

    that is, one who experiences union with God, all of humanity, or all of nature. This is a Fascist type of political ideology, in which a particular people is united against the rest of the world. William James gave a decent account of such beliefs and practices in The Varieties of Religious Experience.

    Alexander Dugin: The Crazy Ideologue of the New Russian Empire

    …semi-mystical philosophy of “Eurasian” supremacy
    I'm a mystic: a Zen Buddhist priest. Our teaching is to give up on dividing everything and everybody into two somethings, and instead to "divide it in one".
    When the opposites arise, the Buddha mind is lost.

    Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

    by Mokurai on Thu May 01, 2014 at 09:36:03 PM PDT

  •  Ukrainians launch offensive in east (5+ / 0-)
    Ukrainian government forces were on Friday said to be conducting operations around the city of Slavyansk in the country's east, with pro-Russia separatists claiming a "large-scale" assault to retake the town was under way.

    A Reuters photographer said he saw a military helicopter open fire on the outskirts of the town and a reporter heard gunfire. In Kiev an aide to the Ukrainian interior minister, Arsen Avakov, said he could not comment. "Until it's over no one will say anything," he said.

    Vyacheslav Ponomarev, regarded by the pro-Russia insurgents as mayor of Slavyansk, said two helicopters were shot down and a pilot taken hostage. Details could not be independently confirmed.

    We're shocked by a naked nipple, but not by naked aggression.

    by Lepanto on Thu May 01, 2014 at 09:37:00 PM PDT

    •  This is the third time they've said this. (2+ / 0-)
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      The other two attempts fell flat on their faces.

      "The cost of liberty is less than the price of repression." - W.E.B. Du Bois Be informed. Fight the Police State.

      by Eternal Hope on Thu May 01, 2014 at 09:43:36 PM PDT

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    •  2 Ukrainian military helicopters were shot down (1+ / 0-)
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      by the totally not-Russian military equipped local "rebels" because most random citizens militias have access to heavy weapons and portable air defense weaponry.

      They were supposed to have new elections soon and if the East was really so confident in their numbers and voting power they could simply vote for officials the like and see what happens.

      Instead they're attacking government facilities with automatic weapons fire, attacking and beating peaceful pro-unity demonstrations and kidnapping and assassinating people who oppose them.

      Why is it not OK for Cliven Bundy to call in armed militia to defend his illegal action but it's ok for Ukrainian/Russian activists to attack government buildings and kill people?

      When we stop putting leaders from the past up on pedestals and ignoring their flaws, we can start seeing our present leaders for what they really are.

      by PhillyJeff on Fri May 02, 2014 at 07:58:38 AM PDT

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      •  It's not. (0+ / 0-)

        Russia is sending an envoy to meet with these activists; hopefully, this will put the April 17th Geneva agreement back on the right track. Churkin blustered a lot during the UN meeting today, but I get the feeling Russia is getting tired of the conflict.

        "The cost of liberty is less than the price of repression." - W.E.B. Du Bois Be informed. Fight the Police State.

        by Eternal Hope on Fri May 02, 2014 at 02:54:20 PM PDT

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        •  If Russia was "getting tired of the conflict" (0+ / 0-)

          they'd stop inciting it, which they are pretty clearly intentionally doing.

          Russia is publicly supporting the eastern militia even after the beat, kidnap and kill innocent people.

          When we stop putting leaders from the past up on pedestals and ignoring their flaws, we can start seeing our present leaders for what they really are.

          by PhillyJeff on Fri May 02, 2014 at 09:26:24 PM PDT

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  •  I've read Dugin quire a bit recently. (4+ / 0-)
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    I think his planet has orbited out of view. Perhaps there was a time when he was prescient.

    Most recently, I've read:

    “United by Hatred”:
    Manuel Ochsenreiter interviews Alexander Dugin on the Ukraine Crisis

    There are insights galore, but you can see that Dugin's time has past and he is not part of the future.

    •  Really? (2+ / 0-)
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      There has been much speculation about where Russia might strike next in light of Dugin's stated imperialistic, expansionist views.
      Not according to Dugin:
      Dugin:  Russia doesn’t have an imperialist agenda. Moscow respects sovereignty and wouldn’t interfere in the domestic politics of any other country. And it is an honest and good politics. We witness this even in Ukraine. We see much more EU-politicians and even US-politicians and diplomats travelling to Kiev to support the opposition than we see Russian politicians supporting Yanukovych in Ukraine. We shouldn’t forget that Russia doesn’t have any hegemonial interests in Europe, but the Americans have.
      Dugin believes that the endgame for Ukraine will be a partition between the two halves of Ukraine.
      Quite the opposite, I believe:
      Q:  Some politicians and analysts say that the easiest solution would be the partition of Ukraine to an Eastern and a Western state.

      Dugin: It is not as easy as it might sound because we would get problems with national minorities. In the Western part of Ukraine many people who consider themselves as Russians live today. In the Eastern part lives a part of the population that considers itself as Western Ukrainian. You see: A simple partition of the state wouldn’t really solve the problem but even create a new one. We can imagine the Crimean separation, because that part of Ukraine is purely Russian populated territory.
      •  That explains something: (5+ / 0-)

        Putin's remark on April 17th in his call-in show from Russian people that he hopes he's not "forced" to invade. Next, what Dugin describes in his letter that I posted describes a partition perfectly. But given Dugin's remark that Russia is not interested in European hegemony, their recent show of force near Estonia, to put it in vulgar terms, is simply an exercise of dick-waving.

        "The cost of liberty is less than the price of repression." - W.E.B. Du Bois Be informed. Fight the Police State.

        by Eternal Hope on Thu May 01, 2014 at 10:35:34 PM PDT

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        •  Well, Sun Tzu-type positioning (5+ / 0-)

          ...and "dick-waving" is certainly part of geo-politics.

          But you have to be loaded with bullets, not blanks. The US has nothing to threaten Russia with, while Russia can take out the petro-Dollar over night, if they want to. US hysterics and over-reach is putting the EU at risk, while Putin sits, relaxed, not retaliating. Because, in this case, he is the strong man, and he knows it. And we know it.

          As for Estonia -- American fever dreams. Sweaty ones.

          •  If Russia could (3+ / 0-)
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            "Take out" the petrodollar (really?  Saudi and the US will stop accepting dollars?  Sure some like Iran might shift but a whole scale change is an amusing theory) they'd have done it already.   Russia has zero reason not to, if this were possible

            •  They have good reason not to. (2+ / 0-)
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              Yet. The BRICS are busy stockpiling gold while it is cheap. Getting ready to launch the BRICS Development Bank along with the new global Internet and an entirely new trading instrument.

              This summer, perhaps….

              Hence the desperation and secret negotiations to nail down the TPP and the US/EU Trading agreements to grant blanket sovereignty to Western corporations.

              •  You are getting more removed from reality (3+ / 0-)
                The BRICS are busy stockpiling gold while it is cheap
                Do you actually know that BRICS is an abbreviation for a list of countries that starts Brazil, Russia ...?  Over $50 billion has been moved out of the country so far this year - equivalent to the annual rate over the previous 5 years. Interest rates have been raised and S&P have downgraded Russia's credit rating to one point above junk bonds.

                How then is Russia "stockpiling gold"?

                "Come to Sochi, visit the gay clubs and play with the bears" - NOT a Russian advertising slogan.

                by Lib Dem FoP on Fri May 02, 2014 at 02:57:16 AM PDT

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                •  Re Brazil (2+ / 0-)
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                  ozsea1, Meteor Blades

                  In 2012, Brazil indeed increased its gold reserves to the then value of $3.58 billion (extrapolated from the figures in this report in January 2013:

                  The Central Bank of Brazil added 14.7 tonnes of gold to its reserves in November, the latest in a series of purchases that has seen its gold holdings increase by 90% since September.
                  It now possesses 67.2 tonnes of gold, according to the latest World Gold Council (WGC) figures, an increase of 31.9 tonnes in the three-month period. At today's London am fix that equates to $1.7 billion worth of additional gold.
                  According to the IMF, as at the end of March 2014, the value of Brazil's gold reserves was $2.78 billion, the page was last updated on April 24 which would tie in with the delays in reporting to them and their staff putting it on line. The price of gold has reduced from about $1650 per 100 oz in January 2013 to about $1300 at the end of March 2014 (source). Using those figures to re-value the January 2013 gold reserves would reduce that $3.58 billion to $2.82 billion. If you are arguing that this shows Brazil "stockpiling" gold, using the lower current price would actually show the worth as $2.78 Billion, precisely what they reported at the end of March. I could of course give you the benefit of the doubt and agree they appear to have increased their reserves by @ $40 Million or 1.4%. That is hardly "stockpiling" when you consider they increased their reserves by 90% in the three months from September 2012.

                  There is a general rule on this site that you should be able to show evidence for bold assertions made. This evidence appears to show your claims about "stockpiling" in BRICS countries to be a complete fantasy.

                  "Come to Sochi, visit the gay clubs and play with the bears" - NOT a Russian advertising slogan.

                  by Lib Dem FoP on Fri May 02, 2014 at 03:33:16 AM PDT

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                  •  That's great (2+ / 0-)
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                    ozsea1, joe from Lowell

                    Since the annual global oil market is around $2,700 billions dollars, those Russian and Brazilian gold reserves will be able to replace the dollar trade....  For about three days

                  •  Indeed (2+ / 0-)
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                    ozsea1, joe from Lowell

                    Replacing the dollar with gold would require about a third of all the gold ever mined in human history every year To account for the global oil supply

                    Also the dollar is pretty useful for other things as well, which is why it gets used this way

                    If you look at who is peddling this theory, it is an interesting window into where our pro Russia propagandist friends are actually coming from

                    •  There is one BRICS country stockpiling (3+ / 0-)

                      Namely South Africa where the gold producers are keeping back supplies from the market because of the price reduction detailed above.

                      In fact the fall in price since April 1 indicates that there is not an accompanying rush on the market that would be expected at times of international crises. One thing that could be causing this is the exact reverse of the claim - Russia is dumping its gold reserves in order to pay for Putin's adventurism.  That of course is speculation based on an observation of the actual market, not the latest missive from the Kremlin. Since Soviet days you had to read between the lines of such propaganda. Now it is easy - just reverse any claim made by Moscow.

                      "Come to Sochi, visit the gay clubs and play with the bears" - NOT a Russian advertising slogan.

                      by Lib Dem FoP on Fri May 02, 2014 at 06:56:02 AM PDT

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      •  Purely Russian? (3+ / 0-)

        Might be news to the Tatars and Ukrainians who make up around 35-40% of Crimea's population. Let's hope that's no merely a statement of the eventual policy objective

        Interesting character this guy, if not creepy

    •  This is your editorial spin (1+ / 0-)
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      He is an anti-semite, which explains why the Jewish communities in Ukraine did not bite when Russia accused Ukraine of having Neo-Nazi connections. This is ironic given that Dugin himself has associated with Neo-Nazis to form an international alliance.
      It is not coming from Dugin that I have read:
      Q:  What are the main groups? Who is dominating the oppositional actions?

      Dugin: These are clearly the most violent neo-Nazi groups on the so called Euro-Maidan. They push for violence and provoke a civil war situation in Kiev.

      Q:  Western Mainstream media claims that the role of those extremist groups is dramatized by the pro-Russian media to defame the whole oppositional alliance.

      Dugin: Of course they do. How do they want to justify that the EU and the European governments support extremist, racist, neo-Nazis outside the EU-borders while they do inside the EU melodramatic and expensive actions even against the most moderate right wing groups?
  •  weird argument (5+ / 0-)

    of this Dugin, in point no. 3

    "You´re nice. We like that. But if you say we also should be nice then you are dictatorial. Then you deny us our right to be not nice, and therefore you are yourself not nice."

    from then on its downhill. The basis of his argument is denying Ukrainians self-determination. History is history but it can not overrule the will of the living.

    Russians consider Ukraine as being part of the Greater Russia.
    That does not matter. Only Ukrainians have a say in what Ukraine should be or do.  This writing is just another recirculation of the usual dominationist world view: "We think this, and therefore you have to conform to what we think. We think Ukraine is not a acountry, therefore you there in Ukraine cant make a country there".

    Not acceptable.

    the rest is conspiracy bullshit. It all comes down to anti-individualism. "The forces of history" or this or that "international elite" overruling the independent will of individuals.

    •  The whole problem is: (4+ / 0-)

      It's not just a matter of US hegemony (although it is a factor); it's a matter of international law. Russia is bound by international law and the Vienna Treaty to respect Ukraine's sovereignty, which they have not done. Two wrongs don't make a right.

      "The cost of liberty is less than the price of repression." - W.E.B. Du Bois Be informed. Fight the Police State.

      by Eternal Hope on Thu May 01, 2014 at 10:39:14 PM PDT

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      •  yes so (5+ / 0-)

        i also thank you, for the diary, hadnt known the guy, fine that you wrote up on him.

        yes sure, you are right, thats another layer, Russia´s violation of law here.

        Stiil I find the writings of this Russian highly interesting - they illustrate what´s wrong with identity politics. "Lets be friend and celebrate each other´s identity: you Americans with your American liberal identity, we Russians with our russian illiberal identity".

        completely unacknowledging that something like being liberal, being illiberal, is a common human criterion, wholly not dependent on anyone´s group affiliation but simply a matter of their personal, individual choice. That is I think the most glaring rightwing characteristic of this writer. "Du bist nichts, dein Volk ist alles": authoritarianism. You dont get to decide for yourself, your Identity (or national history) will tell you what you want.

        in itself, this is an approch to humans that is transnational, common human right wing thinking, regardless if time or place.


    •  Why would such a statement be even considered (0+ / 0-)

      acceptable and a statement like

      Germans consider Austria and Czechoslovakia and parts of Poland as being part of the Greater Germany.
      Not ok?

      When we stop putting leaders from the past up on pedestals and ignoring their flaws, we can start seeing our present leaders for what they really are.

      by PhillyJeff on Fri May 02, 2014 at 08:00:49 AM PDT

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  •  He's right in the end. We have a common enemy, (2+ / 0-)
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    the oligarchy.  The rich people, one side trying to rule the world, the other side trying to maintain their much smaller portion.  Everyone knows the common citizen has no say.  That's the way it is with war and imperialism.  Always has been and always will be unless somehow it's stopped.  We humans tried to put an end to it after the horrendous WWI, enacting laws to try to prevent such atrocities.  The same thing after WWII.  Those are being violated on a daily basis.  
    "Let us resist".  He's right, we're all pawns in this game and need to join together to stop it.  It's that simple. The only solution is revolution.

    "Fragmented and confused, we have no plan to combat any of this, but are looking to be saved by the very architects of our ruination."

    by BigAlinWashSt on Thu May 01, 2014 at 10:49:32 PM PDT

    •  Either that or: (2+ / 0-)
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      We get back to the basics of the New Deal and give everyone the opportunity to succeed and break the debt trap and the generational cycle of poverty. People aren't giving back to the community; they just fuel their power games and wars.

      "The cost of liberty is less than the price of repression." - W.E.B. Du Bois Be informed. Fight the Police State.

      by Eternal Hope on Thu May 01, 2014 at 10:54:35 PM PDT

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      •  The same people who have us in this debt trap (6+ / 0-)

        are the same people who want this conflict with Russia, and China. The people that control the central banks like the Fed Reserve, IMF, World Bank, BIS, etc.  We're not going to get back to any New Deal type society and address poverty without taking these people down. Them and their organizations like the CFR, Trilateral Commission, Aspen Institute and others, as well as all the oligarchy funded thinktanks that develop agenda and policy for our government (remember PNAC) have to be taken down before we can reverse this evil course and have any progress.  It has to be a global effort, a global people's revolution.
        In that respect he's right, we have to join together to defeat these people and not allow them to force us to fight among ourselves.  

        "Fragmented and confused, we have no plan to combat any of this, but are looking to be saved by the very architects of our ruination."

        by BigAlinWashSt on Thu May 01, 2014 at 11:04:38 PM PDT

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  •  Ultra-nationalist is putting it politely indeed. (1+ / 0-)
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    The man's a bona fide fascist - and I don't use the term lightly. His ideology sets a contrast between the liberal "oceanic" civilisations (US, UK, etc.) and the traditionalist "continental" civilisations. So far, so normal ultra-nationalist, right?

    Well... until he starts talking about "liberating" continental Europe from the oceanic civilisations' grip. That's news to me. While I am no fan of the military alliance with the US (in the interest of full disclosure) I somehow doubt we need rescuing by despicable reactionaries.

    As for Dugin's claim America should be left to the Americans, well, if he's so big on non-interference, why meetings and photo ops with the likes of David Duke?

    Iuris praecepta sunt haec: Honeste vivere, alterum non laedere, suum cuique tribuere. - Ulpian, Digestae 1, 3

    by Dauphin on Fri May 02, 2014 at 01:58:53 AM PDT

    •  What he talks about: (1+ / 0-)
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      He talks about creating economic alliances with Europe; for instance, the talks about Ukraine's gas debts are still being had and Russia has not pulled the plug. I don't think Dugin advocates a military conquest of Europe, I think he believes in the creation of a Eurasian alliance from Lisbon to Vladivostok. Germany is a big part of their plans; they are much more on the fence over Ukraine there are a lot of German business ties with Russia and relations with the US have been seriously damaged by NSA. It would start by prying Germany away from the US orbit.

      "The cost of liberty is less than the price of repression." - W.E.B. Du Bois Be informed. Fight the Police State.

      by Eternal Hope on Fri May 02, 2014 at 06:14:33 AM PDT

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  •  I posted a diary about Dugin about a month ago. (4+ / 0-)
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    I saw this "Letter to the American People" at the time, but I didn't mention it in the piece because I wasn't able to authenticate it as his writing. It is consistent with his other writing but I wanted to be careful because he has a very devoted following.

    I extend distribution of my writing through social networking and it sometimes gets a bigger response there than here. The Dugin piece brought some very interesting contacts.

    Although I totally disagree with some of his ideology, I believe he's a brilliant thinker, and far more influential than people realize. He's been around for 20 years and his ideas permeate Russian society in a way that's comparable to the acceptance of neo-liberal democratic ideology as a default in the West. Just as Western ideology shows up in Russia and is promoted to some extent, Dugin's ideology spills over into the West where it is accepted in a modified form.

    It's possible for ideology to be spread by people without them even knowing that's what they're doing. There's a very receptive audience for Dugin in the US. It hears what he says but not from him. And it sounds like a vaguely familiar libertarian-ish, left/right mashup that is appealing to some people for obvious reasons.  The risky parts are kept far out of sight.

  •  If I want to read the rantings of idiots.... (0+ / 0-)

    ...I don't have to turn to Russian sources.

    It's not the side effects of the cocaine/I'm thinking that it must be love

    by Rich in PA on Fri May 02, 2014 at 03:42:24 AM PDT

  •  Actually, Kiev WAS the center of the old Russia (1+ / 0-)
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    for a long time. So he's right about that. But so what? You can make that kind of argument from history to justify pretty much any sort of land grab. Just ask one of the settlers in 'Greater Israel'. Should the US move the capital back to NYC, or Philadelphia, because things used to be that way?

  •  Obama didn't back away from his red line in Syria. (0+ / 0-)

    The Russians and Syrians gave in, under threat of air attack, and gave up the chemical arsenal. Obama got what he wanted; why would he go ahead and bomb anyway?

    It's like saying a mugger "backed away" after I gave him my wallet.

    Art is the handmaid of human good.

    by joe from Lowell on Fri May 02, 2014 at 07:22:25 AM PDT

  •  Surely at least some of Dugin's (0+ / 0-)

    world view is a reaction to America's continual over-reach in international affairs. Our MIC and the corporate structures that underpin it have waged damaging wars, far from home, for no benefit to the American people, and at great cost to the people in whose lands we fight. They continue to do so.

    He is correct to draw a distinction between the American public and the corporate powers that have largely captured its government, that rule its foreign policy, and that heavily influence its media. So far so good.

    But then he goes off the deep end. He over-reacts, and dives into questionable historical analysis and dreamy identity-politics. Dugin may have Vladimir's ear, but Putin seems too intelligent and too practical a character to swallow these theories wholesale.

    So far at least, I don't think Putin has done anything rash or unreasonable in Ukraine, if viewed from the perspective of Russian strategic necessity. On the contrary, he seems to be seeking some sort of compromise solution, that would grant a degree of autonomy to the eastern Oblasts.

    But if Kiev sends in its military to re-take occupied cities (as seems increasingly likely) then there is a good chance he will invade. Obama's reaction to that could spell big trouble, for everyone.

  •  ok, I am so confused, please read this: (0+ / 0-)

    what do you think of this opinion piece:
    Putin's Not Post-Communist, He's Post-Fascist

    What confuses me is the last sentence of this piece. If in the end the author says: "That's as fascist as it gets", how can you say Putin is "post-fascist".  I give up.

    There's Putin's cult of the body, the lofty rhetoric of self-assertion, the denigration of his opponents as degenerates, his contempt for democracy and Western parliamentarianism, his exaggerated nationalism.

    Enemies of freedom on the far right in Europe sensed the changing political climate early on. They immediately understood that, in Putin, someone is speaking who shares their obsessions and aversions. Putin reciprocates by acknowledging these like-minded individuals. "As for the rethinking of values in European countries, yes, I agree that we are witnessing this process," he told his television interviewer last Thursday, pointing to Victor Orban's victory in Hungary and the success of Marine Le Pen in France. It was the only positive thing he had to say in the entirety of a four-hour interview.

    An Historic Mission for the Russian People

    When they were first introduced one year ago, people also failed to recognize the true meaning of Russia's new anti-gay laws. But today it is clear that it marked the emergence of the new Russia. What began with an anti-gay law is now continuing at another level: The logical progression of the belief that certain groups are inferior is the belief in the superiority of one's own people.

    And when Putin evokes the myth of Moscow as a "Third Rome," it is clear he is assigning the Russian people with an historic mission. Responsibility is falling to Russia not only to stop Western decadence at its borders, but also to provide a last bastion for those who had already given up hope in this struggle. But he is also saying that Russia can never yield.

    "Death is horrible, isn't it?" Putin asked viewers at the end of his television appearance. "But no, it appears it may be beautiful if it serves the people: Death for one's friends, one's people or for the homeland, to use the modern word." That's as fascist as it gets.


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