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It seems that Republicans can't quite keep their scare quotes consistent when it comes to progressives and guns. The standard bombast has, of course, been that them libruls want to come take away all your guns.

However, a new, contrasting fiction has recently been spreading amongst the least-educated of these: Democrats are the true perpetrators of extreme gun violence.

Here's Think Progress on the latest Republican to play up this disgusting idea:

An Arizona Republican running for Congress argued that Democrats commit nearly all the mass shootings in the country. Gary Kiehne, a rancher looking to unseat Rep. Ann Kirkpatrick (D-AZ), made the claim when asked about gun rights at a Republican primary debate on Saturday.

“If you look at all the fiascos that have occurred, 99 percent of them have been by Democrats pulling their guns out and shooting people,” Kiehne said. “So I don’t think you have a problem with the Republicans.”

This ridiculous line of thinking, if it can be called that, began after the Newtown shooting by Roger Hedgecock, a conservative radio talk show host. Last night, Kiehne recycled that message and delivered it from the podium of a political debate. With a straight face.

And then, with an equally straight face, he went on to claim that:

  • He owned more guns than any of his competitors.
  • Obama wanted to create a gun registry to track all gun owners so that the government could take them all away.
Except, apparently, from all those Democrats committing mass shootings. No, Obama will let those gun owners keep their firearms.

Because Republican logic.


What Do You Buy For the Children 
David Harris-Gershon is author of the memoir What Do You Buy the Children of the Terrorist Who Tried to Kill Your Wife?, just out from Oneworld Publications.

Originally posted to David Harris-Gershon (The Troubadour) on Sun May 18, 2014 at 11:11 AM PDT.

Also republished by Writing by David Harris Gershon, Shut Down the NRA, and Baja Arizona Kossacks.

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  •  Tip Jar (43+ / 0-)

    "If the Jew who struggles for justice for Palestine is considered anti-Semitic, & if Palestinians seeking self-determination are so accused...then no oppositional move can take place w/o risking the accusation." - Judith Butler

    by David Harris Gershon on Sun May 18, 2014 at 11:11:43 AM PDT

  •  I'm sure he has lots of evidence (8+ / 0-)

    to back up that claim. He then yelled "Benghazi" several times.

    "The oppressors most powerful weapon is the mind of the oppressed." - Stephen Biko

    by gjohnsit on Sun May 18, 2014 at 11:16:47 AM PDT

    •  Were you there? (0+ / 0-)

      "If the Jew who struggles for justice for Palestine is considered anti-Semitic, & if Palestinians seeking self-determination are so accused...then no oppositional move can take place w/o risking the accusation." - Judith Butler

      by David Harris Gershon on Sun May 18, 2014 at 11:22:05 AM PDT

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    •  I've seen this for some years in comments (2+ / 0-)
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      Pixie5, silverfoxcruiser

      on rightwing websites, with one guy claiming (typically)

      Fact: This guy was a registered democrat
      Fact: this other guy was registered democrat...etc,etc.

      He listed every single major mass-shooter all the way back to the guy in the tower in Texas...

      Except, he had no proof whatsoever, & in fact, it's hard to tell what the politics are of some of these nutjobs with guns.

      Just More BS from rightwing nutjobs, likely armed to the teeth.

      •  Pure and utter stupidity. (1+ / 0-)
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        First they accuse Democrats of wanting to disarm gun owners, then they accuse them of being mass murderers. That is the basic problem with right wingers, they don't know where they stand.
        Secondly they say though they may not be part of a militia, they will defend their right to keep and bear the arms of their choice, then they stand with the NRA to prevent the manufacture and sale of smart guns which denies me my right to bear and keep the arms of MY choice. It must boggle their minds to be on both sides of the same issue. In fact, it may even cause them to have a nervous disorder like LaPierre's that kept him oput of the Nam war he was in favor of as long as others did the fighting.
        One wonders why one would, first of all make a man with a nervous disorder the head of a gun group, and secondly, obey the dictates of this nervously disordered leader.

  •  typical. .they usually blame (5+ / 0-)

    Democrats for whatever they themselves do, or are responsible for. It's kind of funny but like most of what they gets old fast.

    •  True enough (2+ / 0-)

      In some extremely rare cases, they are right.
      I was trained by a gentleman who worked the Russia-Afghan war, who related to me, long before the world at large had heard of Al Qaeda, about the nascent group and OBL by name. He and his peers recommended to Carter that OBL and his peers be eliminated after the war with Russia ended, as they hated the Russians and hated us, they hated the Russians only a little bit more. They all guaranteed that the group would eventually come to bite us.
      Carter's response was, "We don't do business that way".
      The rest is history.

      Of course, the GOP blames the Democrats for those expensive superhighways, that Eisenhower had built. So, it can get a lot strange.

      Of course, history is strange, replete with the US overthrowing democratic nations for commercial purposes or to take care of allies commercial interests. See the banana wars, see Operation Ajax, both of which we still are paying for in reputation today.

    •  Democrats Responsible for 99% of Mass Murders!?!? (1+ / 0-)
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      From a psychological perspective, I see this trend to blame Democrats as "Projection" (a Freudian term/defense mechanism).  These right-wing nut-jobs could probably envision themselves "shooting up" a large group of people - but they are loathe to publicly admit this.  Therefore, the "natural" thing to do is to turn this around and blame the "other party"!

      This concept is taught in Psychology 101 - not exactly a complex or difficult one to understand.  But - like the "children" they tend to be, they think they are SO SMART to do this - that they are actually convincing people that what they say is "gospel, according to the almighty and everlasting god".

      Sadly, their base buys into this concept - much as they do in their childish belief in "fairy tales" and/or the fantastical/unprovable.  Therefore, this tactic WORKS for those who care NOT to invest any time in factual/scientific evidence.  That would take - after all - the ability/willingness to think for themselves or to attempt to verify any/all claims.

  •  I wasn't there, (3+ / 0-)
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    poco, benamery21, Paragryne

    but it happened in my neck of the woods, in the county bordering mine to the north. The debate was held in Florence, the county seat of Pinal County. Here's how the local paper covered it. ☛ Arizona Daily Star The winner of the Republican primary will face incumbent Ann Kirkpatrick (D-01) in Arizona's CD-1.

    The free market is not the solution, the free market is the problem.

    by Azazello on Sun May 18, 2014 at 12:04:41 PM PDT

    •  The presumptive nominee did not attend (4+ / 0-)

      Andy Tobin is probably going to be the candidate facing Kirkpatrick.  If he's not then the general is a foregone conclusion.

      These clowns make me much more confident Ann will be able to hang on thru a midterm election.

      Iron sharpens Iron. Normal is a dryer setting. STOP illegal immigration NOW! -- Make it LEGAL. If Corporations are People--Let's draft them.

      by benamery21 on Sun May 18, 2014 at 02:57:13 PM PDT

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  •  Really?? (2+ / 0-)

    I did not know that!

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Sun May 18, 2014 at 01:12:14 PM PDT

  •  that's some serious ignorance (1+ / 0-)
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    wasn't there, just read the articles

  •  Assuming for the moment... (4+ / 0-)

    ...and purely for the sake of argument, the claim were true; what message is this intending to send, and to whom?

    “So I don’t think you have a problem with the Republicans.”

    No one who already buys into the more-guns-everywhere narrative thinks there's "a problem with the Republicans.”

    And anyone who associates the more-guns-everywhere narrative with gun violence already has "a problem with the Republicans."

    And isn't it the more-guns-everywhere Republicans who make it easier for these homicidal supposed Democrats to obtain the weapons with which gun violence is carried out?

    Unless this is meant as the genesis of some policy of allowing only registered Republicans to own guns (and I've heard equally wacko things advocated), it seems like pretty much of a misfire as messaging goes.  

  •  I keep thinking that Republican can't get any (7+ / 0-)

    dumber than what they already are and then along comes some idiot like this and once again I have to move the goal post.

    Dogs and Philosophers do the greatest good and get the fewest rewards (Diogenes)

    by Out There on Sun May 18, 2014 at 06:21:12 PM PDT

  •  Contradiction Between 2nd Amendment & Rights (1+ / 0-)
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    I have yet to see how the 2nd Amendment's specific and direct call for a "well regulated militia" and its need to document who might own weapons to help support that militia violates any rights to own guns.

    "Love the Truth, defend the Truth, speak the Truth, and hear the Truth" - Jan Hus, d.1415 CE

    by PrahaPartizan on Sun May 18, 2014 at 07:23:41 PM PDT

  •  I'm sure he got his facts from the internets, (2+ / 0-)

    where as we all know, they don't allow you to post anything that isn't true.

  •  It's a Chain/Viral Email (3+ / 0-)

    It has made it into a lot of places, like this letter to the editor (source). Basically it says that Fort Hood, VA Tech, Columbine, Aurora, Newtown, and sometimes McVeigh and the Unabomber were all either "registered Democrats," or had some connection (parents usually) which somehow makes them essentially Democrats anyway. The email does not say "99%," but you can easily guess that Kiehne took the email and "rounded up" or something.

    The list, of course, is pure BS--the shooters were either right-wingers, were unaffiliated, belonged to some minor group that hated both liberals and conservatives, or we simply don't know. None were known to be Democrats, registered or otherwise.

    All we have here is yet another Republican happy to uncritically regurgitate everything that lands in his email or that he see on Fox News which agrees with what he believes.

    "Those who hate and fight must stop themselves, Doctor; otherwise it is not stopped." -- Mr. Spock

    by BlogD on Sun May 18, 2014 at 09:59:27 PM PDT

    •  The only one I can think of (2+ / 0-)

      was that nut job that shot up Gabby Giffords' town hall meeting in AZ.  He was a self-described "leftist", but I don't think anybody ever mentioned his party affiliation.

      I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

      by mojo11 on Mon May 19, 2014 at 11:28:01 AM PDT

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    •  That connection argument is problematic (0+ / 0-)

      Check out who are your friends and friends' friends on any social media site, and most of us will that find we are connected to D's and R's in a ratio similar to voting statistics as the relationship tree fans out.

      The game is effective only if we pay heed to it. If a person is progressive and has conservative parents, then the right wing can blame them directly; if the person is conservative with progressive parents, then blame the parents.

      Partisan politics is simply a game with lots of no-win pieces strategically placed or scattered around the board.

  •  Keep in mind, they watch Fox (2+ / 0-)
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    kfunk937, thanatokephaloides

    You know, the network that always "accidentally" gets the party wrong when Republican politicians do despicable things. Fortunately, they generaly retract their error later (when nobody is watching) when media watchdogs bring it to their attention.  

    Remember when Fox used an Obama image to Identify Mitt Romney in an Iowa polling segment?  And when a fuss was raised about it Megyn Kelly apologized, saying

    we put a graphic on the air ... that, as it turns out, was incorrect. It identified Mitt Romney with a picture of Barack Obama. As it turns out, they are not the same man. Not philosophically, not ideologically, not in any other way. So we apologize for that error.
    Monkey see, monkey do.

    “Now folks, by going on that web show, Barack Obama undermined the authority of the presidency. And that is Fox News' job.” - Stephen Colbert

    by Older and Wiser Now on Mon May 19, 2014 at 12:35:13 AM PDT

    •  "As it turns out"?? (3+ / 0-)

      If I believed for a minute that Megyn Kelly had any kind of sense of irony or humor, I'd think she said it tongue in cheek.  But that's even more of a reach than almost anything you'd hear on Faux Noise.

      I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

      by mojo11 on Mon May 19, 2014 at 11:29:53 AM PDT

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      •  I know (1+ / 0-)
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        "As it turns out, we were caught running another BLATANT piece of crap.  So now we have to do the "we apologize" thing, so that we can maintain our cheap facade of being journalists".

        There is no way in a million years that running the Obama image in place of Romney was an actual, sincere mistake.  Somebody did that on purpose, thinking it was hilarious and a fun way to "send a message" to the fanboys.

        And when they get got, they need to say something.  And that's exactly what Ms. Kelly did, no more, no less.

        “Now folks, by going on that web show, Barack Obama undermined the authority of the presidency. And that is Fox News' job.” - Stephen Colbert

        by Older and Wiser Now on Mon May 19, 2014 at 11:56:22 AM PDT

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  •  What? (1+ / 0-)
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    How the hell does this blockhead know what political orientation a shooter is? Oh sure, I bet that'a the first questions the cops ask as they put you in the back seat of the squad car as in, "Hey buddy, who did you vote for in the last presidential election?"

  •  Perhaps we should run this by Mr. Kiehne... (2+ / 0-)
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    penelope pnortney, friendjudy

    All mass shootings have been committed by men.

    Plenty of evidence to support this claim.

    Does this mean no men are fit to legislate?

  •  Dem Mass Shooters is Dems (1+ / 0-)
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        Well, of course Republican hopeful Gary Kiehne is right.    How can anyone doubt that Dems are responsible for almost all the mass shootings when its obvious that it’s Republicans who seek meaningful gun controls and that most hard-core gun owners support Progressive (liberal) ideals.   Thank God, or Godzilla, for straight-thinkers like this straight-shooter.

  •  shooters (0+ / 0-)

    Here's my suspicion on what they're really claiming:

    Most gun violence is by black people.
    Most black people are Democrats.
    Therefore, most gun violence is by Democrats.

    They're just extending that "logic" to claim that if most shooters are Democrats, then most mass shooters are Democrats.

    When they're blaming mass shootings, or gun violence in general, on Democrats, I'm hearing a dog-whistle code-word.

  •  gop=guns (1+ / 0-)
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    I don't know about the rest of you but I have never heard what if any political party all these mass shooters belonged to or if they even voted, two boys at Columbine High School weren't old  enough to vote, neither were the 2 pre teen boys at Jonesboro, the shooter in Ky, the only mass shooters at the schools that were old enough to vote was the Sandy Hook shooter, the Va. Tech and the theater shooter in Colorado that I can recall off hand. Where does Gary Kiehne get his information from Fox news not News or a bad comic book? Hopes his opponent calls him out to either prove what he said or shut up after admitting he lied.



  •  More hogwash (0+ / 0-)

    from the brain-challenged Republican sty.

    The art of life is more like wrestling than dancing.

    by friendjudy on Mon May 19, 2014 at 08:58:26 PM PDT

  •  Republican Logic, is not. (0+ / 0-)
  •  How about some REAL research? (1+ / 0-)
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    a gilas girl

    Based on the assertions of Roger Hedgecock a right-wing radio show host, the meme that the five worst recent mass shootings were committed by registered Democrats is making its way through e-mail chains and social media. Hedgecock asserts, without providing any evidence or sources, that the Ft. Hood shooter, the Virginia Tech shooter, the Aurora Theater shooter and Adam Lanza of Sandy Hook infamy were all “registered Democrats”. He acknowledges that Klebold and Harris (the Columbine Colorado shooters) were too young to be registered voters but asserts, again without providing any evidence, that Harris and Klebold’s parents were progressives or liberal Democrats. All of these charges are utterly baseless and perhaps do not even deserve a response. However, given the effectiveness of right-wing lies in saturating social media and duping the incurious (a far too numerous segment of the population), some more detailed debunking is in order.

    To the best of my ability, I have attempted to research these claims with as much rigor as possible. If there is any evidence for or against my debunking, I welcome that evidence in the spirit of free inquiry.

    1. Nidal Hasan (the Ft. Hood shooter) lived in either Virginia (his state of residence prior to being sent to Ft. Hood) or Texas, neither of which has partisan registration. Therefore the claim that he was a "registered Democrat" is false. I do not know if he voted or how he voted, but I do know that unless he was registered in a state in which he did not reside, that the claim that he is a registered Democrat is FALSE.

    2. Since Virginia does not have partisan registration there is also no way to tell whether Seung-Hui Cho was a Democrat, but again because there is no partisan registration in the state we can say that the claim that he is a registered Democrat is FALSE. (Update: A more obvious point is that Cho was a resident alien, not a US citizen, so he was not eligible to vote in the US)

    3. The allegation that James Holmes was registered Democrat was based on a Breitbart blogger Joel B. Pollack, who found voter registration records for a DIFFERENT James Holmes who was about the same age. Alex Jones’ Infowars and other right-wing websites then dutifully repeated the lie without verifying it. It was later determined that the Colorado Theater Shooter James Holmes was NOT registered to vote, as evidenced by this retraction: {Newly-released information on the suspect’s birthdate (which, as indicated in our initial report, was a slight mismatch), combined with new details Breitbart News has obtained about the suspect’s likely addresses, together suggest that the suspect may, in fact, not have been registered to vote.}. However, most of right-wing media continued to promote the lie without printing Breitbart sites retraction. The claim that James Holmes was a registered Democrat is FALSE.

    4. The claim that Adama Lanza is a registered Democrat has been suggested based not on any evidence that he was registered as one, but on the rather dubious claim that because Connecticut has almost 2 to 1 Democratic registration over Republicans, he was probably a Democrat. (Claim: "Adam Lanza, NewtownConn murderer. Registered Democrats outnumber Republicans by about a 2-1 ratio in Connecticut. The odds are therefore that the Lanza family are (sic) Democrats.") This of course is a bogus argument to begin with, but even if we were to make the claim that a mass shooter’s political affiliation must be the same as the majority of the people in his area, we can debunk this foolish idea by taking this shoddy analysis down to the local level. Yes, Connecticut voted for Barack Obama, BUT the city of Newtown voted for Mitt Romney. If we look at the results we find that Mitt Romney defeated Barack Obama in Newtown by 7451-6784 votes or 51.7 percent to 47 percent. Republican Senate candidate and Tea Party favorite Linda McMahon carried the city over Democrat Chris Murphy by an even larger margin. Add in the other information we have that Lanza’s mother was a “doomsday prepper” and a home schooler in a Republican-leaning city and we can pretty well dispense with the erroneous assumption that Lanza must have been a Democrat (UPDATE: According to at least one media source, Nancy Lanza was a registered Republican. The source does not provide a link, but the author of this article is seeking further confirmation). We can therefore claim that with no evidence to support the claim, the assertion that Lanza was a Democrat is not demonstrated and that in the absence of any evidence it is likely FALSE.

    5. Klebold and Harris of course were not old enough to vote and they had no apparent political affiliation. Allegations that they came from families of Democrats or liberal progressives appear to have no sources to substantiate those claims. What little ideology the boys demonstrated owed mostly to an admiration for Timothy McVeigh not Ted Kennedy. Harris’ father was a retired Air Force pilot and Eric Harris wanted to join the Marine Corps. The boys lived in Littleton, Colorado a relatively conservative and affluent suburb of Denver. The claim that their parents were Democrats is UNSUBSTANTIATED. Any suggestion that the two boys were Democrats is demonstrably FALSE.

    Interestingly, Hedgecock and those on the far right have conveniently overlooked a number of cases where ideology is clearly right-wing. The acts below are instances of right-wing violence that are unequivocally committed by people who are openly hostile to liberalism. While this does not mean these killers are Republicans, it is quite clear that they are RIGHT-WINGERS and that they have far more in common with Mr. Hedgecock, Alex Jones and the other gun-toting conspiracy nuts on the right than with any evils associated with the Democratic Party or liberalism. In addition, to the list below is the obvious case of Timothy McVeigh, who I have not included because his crime was not committed with firearms. It was however, committed by a right-winger and the carnage was on a massive scale.

    For example, on July 18, 1984 James Oliver Huberty, who told his wife he hated “children, Mexicans and the United States” opened fire inside the McDonald’s Restaurant in San Ysidro, CA using a Browning P-35 Hi-Power 9mm pistol, Winchester 1200 pump-action 12-gauge shotgun, and an Israeli Military Industries 9mm Carbine (Uzi) – all legally acquired. He killed 21 and injured 19 before he was shot dead by police.

    On Aug. 10, 1999 White supremacist Buford O. Furrow, Jr., fired 70 rounds with an Uzi-type submachine-gun inside the lobby of the Jewish Community Center in Granada Hills, CA wounding three children, a teenage counselor and an office worker. He then carjacked a woman’s Toyota at gunpoint, dumped it behind a motel and murdered US Postal Worker Joseph Santos with a Glock 9mm handgun.

    On July 27, 2008 Former U.S. Army private, Jim David Atkinsson, who hated Democrats, liberals, African Americans and homosexuals, using a Remington Model 48 12-gauge shotgun, murdered two people and injured seven others inside the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville, TN.

    The day after Obama’s inauguration, white supremacist Keith Luke went on a killing spree in Brockton, Massachusetts. His goal was to kill as many Jews, blacks and Hispanics as possible. When questioned by investigators, the deranged gunman who had stockpiled hundreds of rounds of ammunition, proclaimed that he was fighting the extinction of the white race.

    A little over a month later, Donnie Baker, a former Republican campaign volunteer shot seven Chilean immigrants in Florida. Those who knew him said he was obsessed with the fear that illegal immigrants were taking over the country.

    In April of 2009, Richard Popalowski, a white supremacist in Pittsburgh, shot and killed three police officers following a domestic disturbance call. He apparently thought that Obama was part of a government conspiracy to seize all guns, and he feared the government would take his guns away.

    Later the same month, a Fort Walton Beach Florida man who thought the Obama administration was conspiring against him, shot and murdered two sheriff’s deputies.

    On May 31, 2009 Dr. George Tiller was murdered in his own church by a right-wing “pro- life” gun man who decided to express his belief in the sanctity of human life by executing a medical doctor.

    Eleven days later a right-wing white supremacist and Holocaust denier walked into the National Holocaust Museum and killed an African-American security guard. Two weeks later, three Neo-Nazis were arrested for bombing a diversity office in Scottsdale, Arizona.

    On April 20, 2010 a member of the Sovereign Citizen movement was arrested after a failed attempt to take over a Tennessee county courthouse.

    Exactly one month later, in West Memphis Arkansas, Sovereign citizens Jerry and Joe Kane murdered two police officers before they themselves were shot and killed in the ensuing shoot out with police.

    On July 18, 2010 Byron Williams, an angry unemployed man, was arrested by police after they discovered a car full of weapons and ammunition that he had planned to use to kill progressives. He was on his way to the non-profit Tides Foundation Center, a favorite target of vitriol from Glenn Beck’s radio show.

    On Jan. 8, 2011 22-year old Jared Lee Loughner killed six people, including a judge and a nine-year old child, and wounded 13 others, including U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ), using a 9mm Glock 19 pistol during a public meeting in a supermarket parking lot near Tuscon, AZ.

    On Aug. 5, 2012 Wade Michael Page, a 40-year old white supremacist and U.S. Army veteran murdered six people and wounded four others inside a Sikh Temple in Oak Creek, WI with a Springfield XD(M) semi-automatic pistol.

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