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Mr Kerry is trying to protect H Clinton from Republican attacks for 2016.
Apparently, asking Mr. Snowden to "Man up" is the new macho democrat.
I think this is the most pathetic thing I have seen a Democrat say in quite a while.
I could go on for a long time explaining why Snowden would be foolish to return to the USA. Indeed, Snowden has already explained it. Maybe I should resign from DKOS. I am not ever going to vote Democrat again, and I have never voted Republican. I do not know where to go now.
 

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  •  Links? Or it didn't happen. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    NonnyO

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Wed May 28, 2014 at 09:38:03 PM PDT

    •  There are several "news" stories (7+ / 0-)

      ... from various "news" sources (including a few 'reputable' news outlets) on the Yahoo "news" feed on yahoo.com.

      I checked out the comments section on a couple of the stories to see how badly Snowden would be denigrated and was pleasantly surprised to see that the overwhelming number of comments essentially told Kerry to stop being a hypocrite (i.e., reminders of his "winter soldier" speech before Congress when Kerry was young and came back from Vietnam to work to end the illegal and unconstitutional war there at the time), to STFU... and praised Snowden for being a whistleblower and indicated they thought he deserved whistleblower protections.  All of the ones I read resented the lies we've been told, the expense of wars that should never have started, etc., and that means Snowden has done us a huge favor by obtaining those documents.

      Even the comments that were anti-Snowden were not virulently teahadist for once (well, I only read a few of the thousands of pages, not all of the comments, so maybe they were in a different section).

      I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

      by NonnyO on Thu May 29, 2014 at 12:51:51 AM PDT

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  •  Your point? Ellsberg "manned up". (6+ / 0-)

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Wed May 28, 2014 at 09:47:15 PM PDT

  •  Wow that's quite a dilemma you've got there. Be... (3+ / 0-)
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    sunbro, sewaneepat, stevemb

    Wow that's quite a dilemma you've got there. Because a Democrat said one thing all Dems are dirt.

    Wait a minute. This is snark. Stupid mobile site doesn't show the tags.

    •  Kerry was my Senator (4+ / 0-)
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      dharmasyd, taonow, his panic, stevemb

      I can hardly believe he is saying the things he is saying about Snowden.
      I think it is huge, very telling, about where the Democrats are at, that Kerry can come out and diss Snowden.
      There really isn't much difference between the Demos and the Repubs.
       

      •  That's a ridiculous statement. (11+ / 0-)

        If you can't tell the difference between Democrats and Republicans you need to get some perspective.

        •  He's probably never voted in the first place. (4+ / 0-)
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          Linda1961, JackND, Pinto Pony, aimeehs

          And he is wholly off the mark.  Snowden's alleged concern is abuses in domestic spying.  Is that why he (and Greenwald) is causing damage outside that core issue?

          This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

          by JJustin on Thu May 29, 2014 at 03:34:13 AM PDT

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        •  There are relatively few differences between the (1+ / 0-)
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          unfangus

          establishment Dems and the establishment Pubs. The Republicans are a little more batshit crazy about the social issues, and they're a little more pro-privatization. But on the major things: War, trade policy, fiscal policy, they pretty much work together.
             To me, the big difference is climate change. The Republicans are ideologues on that issue while the Dems at least give lip service to scientific reality.
             I think that the Dems are a little better on Social Security, but both parties are heavily influenced by the Pete Peterson "cut entitlements" meme.
             On the one issue everybody cares about, the economy, neither party is doing anything meaningful.

      •  There have been several times... (3+ / 0-)
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        LanceBoyle, stevemb, dharmasyd

        That Kerry's made me embarrassed by the times I voted for him. Pretty frequent since he became Secretary of State.

      •  Hey cj51... (0+ / 0-)

        I hope you will check out the links I was finally able to supply to respond to jjustin's pie war against me.  I don't think he's read it.  Or. if he has. he doesn't have the guts to respond.  2 of these links are from a long time, close associate of Kerry's who finally saw through him.  They're in  this comment.

        "...a silent coup has taken place in Washington and rampant militarism now rules..." Daniel Ellsberg via John Pilger

        by dharmasyd on Thu May 29, 2014 at 05:48:17 PM PDT

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      •  cj51 (0+ / 0-)

        Please see my comment in this diary with 3 good links to who is Kerry.  Two of the articles are by S. Brian Willson, Nam vet, member of VVAW, knew Kerry and worked on his early Congressional campaigns at...
        John Kerry.

        I think and hope this will give you some clarity.  If you don't know of S. Brian Willson, you should know that he was the founder of Nuremberg Actions at the Concord Naval Weapons Station to protest the US wars against Central America.  His legs were cut off while blocking the weapons shipments on a train with two other vets.  It was deliberate on the part of the government, which had been more than adequately notified, and completely unnecessary.  Google him if you need more info, or let me knowby kosmail.

        "...a silent coup has taken place in Washington and rampant militarism now rules..." Daniel Ellsberg via John Pilger

        by dharmasyd on Thu May 29, 2014 at 06:06:45 PM PDT

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    •  wtf happened to the comment subject here (nt) (1+ / 0-)
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      Namazga III

      warning: snark probably above

      by NE2 on Thu May 29, 2014 at 12:11:49 AM PDT

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  •  Kerry is a fucking idiot (5+ / 0-)

    the proof is there at the link in the comment (no thanks to the diarist).

    What the hell does that have to do with Clinton or any other Democrat?

    This Rover crossed over.. Willie Nelson, written by Dorothy Fields

    by Karl Rover on Wed May 28, 2014 at 10:02:21 PM PDT

  •  Kerry's manning-up is under question... (2+ / 0-)
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    ...apparently, when Kerry supposedly threw his medals back over the fence at Dewey Canyon III, A Brief Incursion into the Land of Congress, they weren't really his medals, but those of a friend, at least according to a later statement (when he was running for a political position) that Kerry made saying the medals he threw back were those of a friend, not his.

    Try these links for validation: ---OOPs!  I do this too often, but something just came on live stream that I really want to see.  I'll try to wake up, find this, and put the links here tomorrow.  I am a good friend of S. Brian Willson who knew Kerry in VVAW, worked on his first congressional campaigns, and, sadly, saw this other side of Kerry.  I'll find and link here tomorrow because it is important.

    But Kerry, for some reason, has almost disappeared this last month.  Why?  I don't know.  I can only guess.

    "...a silent coup has taken place in Washington and rampant militarism now rules..." Daniel Ellsberg via John Pilger

    by dharmasyd on Wed May 28, 2014 at 10:11:45 PM PDT

    •  quail hunting in ohio? (1+ / 0-)
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    •  If you don't know . . . (3+ / 0-)
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      Pinto Pony, stevemb, aimeehs
      But Kerry, for some reason, has almost disappeared this last month.  Why?  I don't know.  I can only guess.
      If you don't know, then don't make shit up.

      This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

      by JJustin on Thu May 29, 2014 at 03:36:09 AM PDT

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      •  I'm not makind **** up. (0+ / 0-)

        Grow some humanity.

        "...a silent coup has taken place in Washington and rampant militarism now rules..." Daniel Ellsberg via John Pilger

        by dharmasyd on Thu May 29, 2014 at 11:18:54 AM PDT

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        •  "I can only guess," you say. And you do. That's (1+ / 0-)
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          aimeehs

          how all the corrosive, destructive conspirabunk, and out-of-control accusations and name-callings get generated: people "guessing" because they can't handle not knowing.

          This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

          by JJustin on Thu May 29, 2014 at 12:35:55 PM PDT

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          •  Here you go Justin... (0+ / 0-)

            ...What you asked for which you said I did not have.
            1)
            This is an open letter to John Kerry from S. Brian Willson, a friend of Kerry's from VVAW, who later worked on Kerry's Congressional campaigns and was asked by Kerry to join his Presidential team with a hint that Brian would be given a job in a Kerry Administration: Who is the real John Kerry

            2)
            "Commemorating the 10th Anniversary of the War on Iraq: Who is John Kerry?

            An Open Letter to Senator John Kerry on Iraq FROM: S. Brian Willson TO: John Kerry It has been a long time since we have had contact. As you might remember, our very first meeting was at VVAW’s Dewey Canyon III, 'A Limited Incursion Into the Country of Congress,' April 19-23, 1971, in Washington, D.C. I’m sure you remember asking the Senate that week in an impassioned speech, 'How do you ask a man to die for a mistake?' You also stressed the im..." ... which you can find
            here

            3) And on Salon via Tomdispatch by Peter van Buren Kerry.

            I have more, but this will have to do for now.  I expect and await your apology to me for so wrongfully calling my work "bullsheisen".

            Not as an excuse, but as a statement of fact in the hope that you can gain a little more understanding and not be so quick to judge.  I am 81 yo, have disabling emphysema which requires 4  half hour breathing treatments a day, and I'm on oxygen.  It would be nice if you could give a little space to your fellow humans for the possibility of such conditions.

            Can you "Man-Up" enough to apologize?  

            "...a silent coup has taken place in Washington and rampant militarism now rules..." Daniel Ellsberg via John Pilger

            by dharmasyd on Thu May 29, 2014 at 03:10:33 PM PDT

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            •  So we have one person making allegations -- (0+ / 0-)

              only his side of the story.

              That must be true, in the face of a majority of others who know Kerry who haven't made those allegations.

              Typical: "I agree with this, therefore it is true."

              This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

              by JJustin on Fri May 30, 2014 at 05:04:51 AM PDT

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              •  You are incapable of engaging./.. (0+ / 0-)

                ...in a reasonable discussion.  Projection --  Try reversing your comment on yourself.  Goodbye, not so 'Just'-in your opinions.  I'm too old to waste my time trying to be cordial, polite, and answer your questions.  You do not exist in my blog system.  Goodbye...

                "... this is a severe existential threat to the Russian state itself, and has been designed as such." Daniel Patrick Welch

                by dharmasyd on Fri May 30, 2014 at 11:54:38 AM PDT

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  •  I will definitely post... (0+ / 0-)

    ...my information from S. Brian Willson on his knowledge of John Forbes Kerry (JFK).  I'm just too tired to transfer this from my other computer now.  I hope you will all tune in tomorrow.  Thank you.

    "...a silent coup has taken place in Washington and rampant militarism now rules..." Daniel Ellsberg via John Pilger

    by dharmasyd on Wed May 28, 2014 at 10:18:34 PM PDT

  •  Viva Che. (3+ / 0-)
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    jan4insight, sunbro, stevemb

    Or, "Let's party like it's 2010 all over again."

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Wed May 28, 2014 at 10:27:35 PM PDT

  •  "I do not know where to go now." (6+ / 0-)

    There is nowhere to go now.  Not for me anyway, to attempt to build the knowledge and awareness needed to empower a third party would take a very long time.  Unfortunately, I don't have a very long time. As a disabled senior, I can only try to point out the inadequacies in our current system.  It must be changed, or no one will be here to see anything at all.  At 81, I do what I can.

    "...a silent coup has taken place in Washington and rampant militarism now rules..." Daniel Ellsberg via John Pilger

    by dharmasyd on Wed May 28, 2014 at 10:32:22 PM PDT

    •  Yes. You imagine up shit. You smear Kerry. (0+ / 0-)

      You make a loaded statement you fail to substantiate, while claiming to have the substantiation.

      One person out of many who've known Kerry says something negative, and only that one person's word matters.

      This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

      by JJustin on Thu May 29, 2014 at 03:38:24 AM PDT

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      •  How unkind and lacking in... (0+ / 0-)

        ...both compassion and understanding your statement is.

        If you had read my comment about why I could not link my sources right then, you'd see that I have those links on an older computer that died last Christmas.  I'm still trying to transfer and sort all my files.

        I hope you can understand that sometimes there are extenuating circumstances.  Or should I just blame it on age (ageism) and dementia!  How old are you, by the way?

        "...a silent coup has taken place in Washington and rampant militarism now rules..." Daniel Ellsberg via John Pilger

        by dharmasyd on Thu May 29, 2014 at 11:16:07 AM PDT

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        •  Bullshit. (0+ / 0-)

          If you haven['t the substantiation, then don't make the allegation you can't substantiate.

          It isn't about my alleged lack of comapssion.  It is about your actual lack of compassion.

          This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

          by JJustin on Thu May 29, 2014 at 12:38:01 PM PDT

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  •  Pull Thyself Together.... (7+ / 0-)
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    GAS, aimeehs, sunbro, Dbug, kurt, gramofsam1, Pinto Pony

    I can't imagine letting John Kerry control my life to such a degree that I would actually change my political affiliation because
    John Kerry said something.

    Ditto for Snowden.  Beside, Hillary Clinton doesn't need John Kerry or anyone else to protect her.  She's a big grown up lady.....an adult.  She could run circles around all the above males.  Goo Goo Ga Ga.  

    Consider toughening up because Glenn Greenwald may say something tomorrow you don't like.....then you'll really be in a stew, a virtual uproar.  

  •  Good for Kerry (4+ / 0-)
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    sunbro, Bush Bites, JackND, Pinto Pony

    He has all the authority in the world to tell Snowden to man up.

    His 3 purple hearts and willingness to put his life on the line for his country gives him standing as far as I'm concerned.

    If Kerry had Snowden's mentality he would have joined up with the enemy because he was scared he might get shot and lose his life.

    Snowden on the other hand cut and ran before the going even got tough, unwilling to pay the potential price for what he supposedly believed in.

    John Kerry is a patriot.

    •  Ah, bull-fucking-shit! (9+ / 0-)

      The USA has shown very clearly that Snowden can expect to be brutally tortured by the government that he exposed to be acting illegally and unconstitutionally.

      This better be good. Because it is not going away.

      by DerAmi on Wed May 28, 2014 at 11:38:21 PM PDT

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    •  Oh pleeze stop your gushin' it's disgustin' (1+ / 0-)
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      unfangus

      Kerry's hero halo
      is on the ground
      with mud on it
      which he put there

      Nobody has any high moral ground in this insane clusterfrack. Things were done which needed to be done. The country needed to be informed. Since the government was systematically acting against the people behind their back and consistently lying about it, this was not a malicious act.

      If Kerry had Snowden's mentality he would have...
      ...done just what Snowden did. Obviously. Not complicated. Why would you think he would have acted differently? Makes no sense.
  •  I love John Kerry. (2+ / 0-)
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    Dbug, Leftleaner

    And I don't want to live in a world where Rand Paul is picking my Supreme Court Justices.

    Blechhhh!

    -4.75, -5.33 Cheney 10/05/04: "I have not suggested there is a connection between Iraq and 9/11."

    by sunbro on Thu May 29, 2014 at 12:11:24 AM PDT

  •  Really? (4+ / 0-)

    Thousands upon thousands of elected Democrats all over the country and you're going to cut and run because this one Dem told a goateed libertarian to "man up" this one time?

  •  Just hearing the phrase "man up" (5+ / 0-)

    is sickening. What a foul, pathetic, sexist, bullying thing to say. Kerry's more Skull & Bones than hero these days.

  •  As much (3+ / 0-)
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    need pr, aseth, stevemb

    as much as I think the diarist seems to be overreacting he/she does have a pretty valid point. I just wonder how it has taken this long to come to the realization that neither party represents a "fair" direction.

    It is pretty obvious that Kerry is a blinding fool. His comments are really silly to the extreme. Given the US prosecution of anyone who dissents (the war on dissent) effectively he would not receive a fair trial/treatment.

    Clinton is little better and remains in the pay of the elites.

    Let's face it. Obama has done a few good things but overall his team and his record have been sub par. The Justice department refuses to prosecute the banks that caused the crisis and as a result the middle class continues to be decimated. His economic team has avoided taking on the real challenges (Geithner and Summers were disasters).

    End result. A broken system politically (run by money) and economically that needs a MAJOR overhaul.

    Snowden has done the world (and the American people) a huge service by exposing American hypocrisy ...  so it is no wonder the lackeys try in vain to fight back.

    “If equal affection cannot be, Let the more loving one be me.” W.H. Auden

    by taonow on Thu May 29, 2014 at 02:03:01 AM PDT

  •  Great headline. But I can't rec. (2+ / 0-)
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    aseth, sewaneepat

    Much as I am disgusted by him and many of  his authoritarian ilk, I'm not going to hold every Democrat  responsible for him.

    Obama: Pro-Pentagon, pro-Wall Street, pro-drilling, pro-fracking, pro-KXL, pro-surveillance. And the only person he prosecuted for the U.S. torture program is the man who revealed it. Clinton: More of the same.

    by expatjourno on Thu May 29, 2014 at 02:47:51 AM PDT

  •  The difference between Kerry and Snowden is (4+ / 0-)
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    titotitotito, JackND, Pinto Pony, aimeehs

    that Kerry didn't run off to some other country in order to take pot-shots from a safe bunker.  He stood up to the war-mongers right here at home.

    There wee two significant factors which broke the back of suppport for US involvement in Vietnam.  One was the "Pentagion Papers" release.  The other was Kerry's public statement to Congress.

    Kerry has nothing for which to answer or apologize.

    Snowden?  He's essentially a self-important punk.  In fact, he strikes me as being something like a Republican who votes against funding for the underfuned VA, then points his finger at the concqeunces at the VA and blames the VA -- and the Democrats.

    Your civic responsibility is to vote.  And to make it count.  Vowing to be irresponsible is a peculiar way to "protest" against alleged irresponsibility.

    This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

    by JJustin on Thu May 29, 2014 at 03:23:09 AM PDT

  •  it would be great if kerry asked george w bush (10+ / 0-)

    to "man up" and voluntarily take a life sentence for war crimes

    here's a question, daily kos: who's a bigger criminal,bush or snowden?

  •  Maybe congress can "man up" and change (4+ / 0-)
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    aseth, JayRaye, his panic, stevemb

    the law so the NSA can't essentially spy on anyone they damn well feel like without a warrant  (and that watered down piece of shit they just passed doesn't count).  Until that time and until Kerry is willing to criticize the abuses of the NSA the same way he criticizes Snowden the less heard from clueless John (and he has been especially clueless in his current post) the better

  •  you are sooooooo wrong (1+ / 0-)
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    Rasputin

    Snowden is a traitor to the country... John Kerry is a hero. That's the fact. Learn it.

  •  Where to go? (1+ / 0-)
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    stevemb

    Well maybe you could start by working against the Kerry/Clinton machine in the Dem primaries . . .. .

    Sure, it might seem hopeless but if somebody thinks up a catchy slogan like "Change" - who knows, the sky's the limit!

  •  Pretty much all I expect of Kerry since last year (2+ / 0-)
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    dallasdunlap, stevemb

    is bloviation.

  •  Kerry is 100% correct. (0+ / 0-)

    It's terribly sad how people here are trying to turn the traitor Snowden into some sort of hero.

    •  you don't get it do you (1+ / 0-)
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      dharmasyd

      Snowden is not a traitor by any stretch.
      He is a messenger.
      The message is that Orwell was right.
      Nowadays, Big Bro says he can do whatever he wants.
      aagh.
      I don't know what to say to the Sheeple.
      feels like bad times are coming.

       

      •  Please see my comments... (0+ / 0-)

        ...up stream on this thread, or forever hold your peace/piece!

        I've supplied the links upthread!

        Why do I find this so important to keep trying?

        "... this is a severe existential threat to the Russian state itself, and has been designed as such." Daniel Patrick Welch

        by dharmasyd on Thu May 29, 2014 at 11:29:13 PM PDT

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