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Some of the early reports out of Las Vegas characterized cop-killers Jerad and Amanda Miller as neo-Nazis and white supremacists. This talking point is likely to gain currency as teabaggers and right-wing libertarians, in government and outside it, seek to avoid scrutiny of their own extremist beliefs by creating artificial distance between themselves and the Millers. It's important that this falsehood not go unrebutted.

In fact, the Millers saw themselves as being anti-Nazi—they just thought law enforcement officers were the Nazis.

Sheriff's Official: Las Vegas Shooters Saw Police As Nazis

Clark County assistant sheriff Kevin McMahill told reporters at a press conference that the shooters placed a swastika on one of the two Las Vegas police officers they shot and killed Sunday at a local restaurant....

"One of the things that we believe at this point with the swastika is that we don't necessarily believe that they are white supremacists or associated with the Nazi movement," he said.

"We believe they equate government and law enforcement with fascism and those that support with Nazis," he continued. "They believe that law enforcement is the oppressor and they are associated with the Nazi movement."

An examination of Jerad Miller's public Facebook posts gives no indication of white supremacist beliefs—indeed, one post from May 25 quotes Harriet Tubman approvingly, though it spectacularly misrepresents her in service of fringe anti-tax sentiment. (The quote itself is spurious.) Instead, we see plenty of evidence of hardcore right-wing libertarian, pro-gun sentiment, interspersed with Ron and Rand Paul boosterism, right-wing hobby horses like climate change denial, and fringe conspiracy theories such as "chemtrails."

In fact, those of you who have right-wing friends or relatives on Facebook may not see much difference between Jerad Miller's page and theirs. And this is exactly why I expect the mainstream conservative movement, or what passes for it today, to do what it can to create a distinction between the public views of the Millers and those of their own more fervent supporters when no such distinction exists.

When they tell you the Millers were white supremacists, demand to see the evidence.

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  •  Fascism Comes Disguised As Anti-Fascism (11+ / 0-)

    Hitler said he was fighting against racism, fighting against a conspiracy to enslave the world.  Glenn Beck has made a career of his "antifascist" tirades while actually quoting Hitler.

    Often someone says they hate Nazis because they are tired of having people call them "Nazis."

    So we will see.

    Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. -Pascal

    by bernardpliers on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 02:39:46 PM PDT

  •  Uh, their apartment had swastikas (1+ / 0-)
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    Pi Li

    adorning the walls, and they placed a swastika-stamped manifesto on the bodies of the dead cops. You sure you want to fight this battle?

    •  The diarist is right (4+ / 0-)
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      phenry, Bob Love, enhydra lutris, ER Doc

      Look at  the Sheriff's own quote.  They thought they were fighting the next rise of Fascism and labeled all government agents as Nazis.

      The swastika was to label the dead cop.  They pinned it to his shirt.

      Here is part of their manifesto that Miller posted on his Facebook page before the attack.

      No "master race" shit or purity or white people being True Americans or blaming our current societal decay on some kind of moral failing or race-mixing or all the other shit the KKK spouts off.

      Just Tyranny and Liberty and Revolution and Patriots and blahblahblah....  Tea Party Jingoism.  Same old, same old...

      Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

      by Wisper on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 03:02:46 PM PDT

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      •  I guess they weren't old enough to use the phrase (1+ / 0-)
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        "jack-booted thugs", which was so popular among anti-American conservatives not so long ago.

        Dick Cheney 2/14/10: "I was a big supporter of waterboarding"

        by Bob Love on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 03:15:24 PM PDT

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      •  Jonah Goldberg wrote a book entitled (5+ / 0-)

        "Liberal Fascism" in which he proved Hitler was a Librul.  I have seen Stalin  and Mao called Nazis fer chrissakes.  The point it the average Rand Paul aficionado has no idea what socialism, communism and Naziism really are and how they are alike and different.

        Point is that the mainline TP is basically racist.  Check out the current 40 page GOP manifesto or platform where they turn racism inside out by claiming that Affirmative Action damages minorities.  So even if these two guys are not George Rockwell look-alikes, I would also not think they are NAACP members (though I have already seen claims these two were not racist because they quoted MLK)

        Terms like Nazi are meaningless when it is used by these people

  •  Unfortunately (5+ / 0-)

    Hatred and vitriol towards law enforcement officers is hardly something that's limited to the even a cursory glance at these pages will readily illustrate.

    And I've seen LEO's referred called "fascists" more times around here than I can count.

    Dammit Jim, I'm a lawyer, not a grammarian. So sue me.

    by Pi Li on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 02:53:13 PM PDT

  •  The neighbors say (6+ / 0-)
    "They were handing out white-power propaganda and were talking about doing the next Columbine," Moore said.
    the husband-and-wife duo ... previously lived in Lafayette and were often heard spouting racist, anti-government views, according to neighbors.

    “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

    by Catte Nappe on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 02:56:40 PM PDT

    •  Well, the diarist says they aren't (1+ / 0-)
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      Nazis, which is technically true. They are Neo-Nazis. To be an actual Nazi you had to have been around during WWII.

    •  Interesting quote I haven't seen before: (3+ / 0-)
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      Leslie Schneidt, 23, of Lafayette was moved to tears after hearing her good friend since high school, Amanda Woodruff Miller, was associated with the Las Vegas shootings.

      Schneidt said she recalled hearing Amanda's husband, Jerad, talking about moving somewhere where they could "fit in" with others who shared like-minded views on government and the coming "revolution."

      "They wanted to be down south because they knew if it came down to a revolution they would be safe there. Because more people like them would be standing up," Schneidt said.

      Dick Cheney 2/14/10: "I was a big supporter of waterboarding"

      by Bob Love on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 03:22:22 PM PDT

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    •  I saw that quote yesterday (1+ / 0-)
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      and I suspect the link between the Millers and overt white-power ideology is likely to dry up as news about the incident becomes less chaotic. For example, it's possible that the neighbor recalls Jerad ranting crazily and waving around pieces of paper with swastikas on them, and drew a natural--but wrong--assumption.

  •  I consider much of the Tea Party to be (4+ / 0-)

    white supremacist in their beliefs.  

    "Trust me... I've been right before." ~ Tea party patriot

    by Calvino Partigiani on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 03:14:28 PM PDT

  •  You have a point. They represent a fairly new (1+ / 0-)
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    wrinkle in the right wing which (ala Glenn Beck, Limbaugh, O'Reilly) seeks to project the authoritarianism onto their enemies. Textbook definitions don't really matter.
    We may learn something about group socio-pathology in the coming years.

    The auto and the tv have changed sociology and psychology, in a general sense, and we're probably witnessing the early effects that the internet/computers have on people's thinking and behavior.

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Mon Jun 09, 2014 at 03:14:56 PM PDT

  •  they were as american as.... handguns. (0+ / 0-)

    Imagine for a moment they (or whomever recently shot innocent and random citizens) were suicide bombers instead of gun-shooters.  What's the difference?  As a society, we actively monitor and try to suppress the command and control sources of the hate speech that leads to suicide bombers.  Whereas we actively (as a society) SUPPORT litmus tests for candidates where they are asked about the concealed handgun "rights" of voters.  

  •  They may very well have been nazis (2+ / 0-)
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    The links between the sovereign citizens movements, the militia movements, the Ron Paul movement, the white supremacist movements, the neo-confederate movement, the conspiracy theory movement, and the neo-nazi movements.

    And one of their favorite tactics, in nice, Orwellian fashion, is to accuse their enemies of being the nazis.  For example, its quite popular amongst those crowds to say that the jews/zionists were the ones behind the nazis.

    So these people may very well have been nazis.  

  •  But ... but ... but (0+ / 0-)

    Having listened to and read teabaggers for many a year now (if I could, I'd write a whole dissertation on them---for as dangerous as they are, they're just as fascinating---their minds and logic are completely twisted), I find no difference between their rhetoric and the rhetoric of fascists, yet they'll insist everyone else is the fascist.

    I say we go with it. I haven't read enough about the shooters to say much, but from your diary, I'd say they sound like classic teabaggers, and it's time for the complacent among us to sit up and realize what they really are.

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