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As of yesterday and the day before, Firefox let me click on "edit" after which I could paste videos, y'know?

Since I do Monday Night at the Theater, which is ALL about videos, this is kind of an important feature.

Well, not today.

Fucking MS 8 rebooted to some out-of-hell version, and I don't have any Edit on my browser. I don't have much of ANYTHING on my browser.

Which probably means I need a new browser (fuck you, Firefox, I've been with you since 1.5 and you screw me over? Or is it MS, which seems more likely?)

Anyway, anybody have any good ideas? Tried to download Chrome but that didn't work either. And I'll be damned if I go with IE, the worst fucking browser in the multiverse.

Please, somebody, anybody, HELP! Elfling, are you out there?

I always used the drop-down menu for paste, so even the html code would be a big help. I know copy is control C but can't remember paste.



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  •  Tip Jar (24+ / 0-)

    English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street. E. B. White

    by Youffraita on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 02:11:29 PM PDT

  •  Paste is control-V (20+ / 0-)

    This is the basic help article for this problem, assuming the issue is that you don't have Daily Kos buttons:

    In particular, try this, Firefox Safe Mode:

    Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

    by elfling on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 02:20:33 PM PDT

    •  Thanks, elfling: (14+ / 0-)

      I knew you would know.

      I don't know what happened, except MS 8 did a redo and all of a sudden my FF was different.

      English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street. E. B. White

      by Youffraita on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 02:24:07 PM PDT

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    •  Hi elfling - a little feedback (1+ / 0-)
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      Oh Mary Oh

      For about the past month I have had chronic difficulty getting Java script to load completely regardless of browser (including toggling between Safari, Chrome and Firefox) and it seems to be limited to Daily Kos.

      I have even experimented with using Ghostery to selectively block some Beacons or (expected) useless scripts such as Facebook buttons that would extend load times and have used a console to analyze the load sequence as a diagnostic to see what hangs, but nothing seems to improve the situation.

      So (a) to some extent I have used the mobile version on my handset [and would like to complement your improvements to it particularly adding rec functions] and, (b) I am hoping the next version of the full site is a bit streamlined.

      For your information:

      - my main PC is a 2011 MacBook Pro with 8GB main memory
      - running Mavericks 10.9.3
      - usually running Safari or Chrome
      - clear my caches on exit
      - run a cache purge and permissions fix daily (overnight because of encrypted disk)
      - as mentioned, have used Ghostery to selectively block some scripts

      What is really strange, is that I have checked against sites running more scripts and had no issues, so I assumed: (a) order of loading is causing some to timeout, and/or; (b) some from remote sites take too long to trigger and load.

      In my area, broadband can be a bit inadequate in evenings so I tried different times of day to see if bandwidth was the problem and also looked at US time as a potential bottleneck; can not find a real sweet spot but randomly, when low traffic times overlap I can get the full scripts to load.

      UP SIDE: the HTML coding skills getting a workout
      DOWNSIDE: lots of good stuff doesn't get rec'd.

      No one is coming to save us, the future is in our hands.

      by koNko on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 07:32:39 AM PDT

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  •  I can be of some limited help. Maybe. (10+ / 0-)

    Limited, because I'm not a Firefox user.  That being said, Chrome recently allowed users to switch between the Windows 8 version and the classic "desktop" version.

    Has your version of Firefox recently switched to the Windows 8 version?  If so, will switching it back to the desktop version constitute your solution?

    Know that $20 I owe you? Well, since money equals speech, then speech, of course, must equal money. C'mere and I'll read you the Tao Te Ching.

    by thenekkidtruth on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 02:21:28 PM PDT

  •  over on the right top (14+ / 0-)

    three horizontal bars
    click on that
    click on customize
    down on the bottom left you'll see a toolbars box
    click on that and check menu bar

  •  Hey hon, I am on the run, (15+ / 0-)

    but does your Firefox version have something on the upper right that looks like the thing I have badly circled in red?

    ff edit icon

    If so, click on it and you will get a menu that has the choices "cut", "copy", and "paste" across the tippy top, so far up you might not immediately notice them.

    FF did update today -- I have no idea how that would interact with Windows 8 because my understanding is that Windows 8 sucks the big moose dick. I bet FF could be configured to look like it did before but I don't know how to tell you to do that. Maybe someone here does.

    But Cut = CTL-X, Copy = CTL-C, and Paste = CTL-V, if that helps.  xo

    Shop Kos Katalogue ❧ Help Okiciyap at Cheyenne River reservation.

    by belinda ridgewood on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 02:26:26 PM PDT

  •  Let us know if things are bad enough (8+ / 0-)

    so that you would consider installing Linux. You can put a trial version on a bootable USB stick without disturbing your M$ junk.

    Written in Firefox 29.0 on Ubuntu Linux 14.04. Buttons? Have I got buttons! And a right-click mouse menu! And keyboard shortcuts!

    Also, Linux has two copy and paste buffers, one for the last thing you copied or cut, and one for the last thing you selected. Paste from the first with ctl-V, and from the second with the middle mouse button or an equivalent, such as left and right mouse buttons together. Very handy for pasting a selection as text, and then a URL in a link.

    Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

    by Mokurai on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 02:55:40 PM PDT

  •  A more stable FIrefox (6+ / 0-)


    This is a firefox that our enterprise uses.  It doesn't make the rapid jumps that the consumer version uses.  It's currently based on Firefox v24 instead of 30 where the consumer one is.

    FireFox Enterprise

  •  ... (5+ / 0-)

    "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

    by indycam on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 03:27:46 PM PDT

  •  Firefox changed their user interface. (5+ / 0-)

    Threw me at first, too.

    As others have said, find the three bars and click on that.

    The thing about quotes on the internet is you cannot confirm their validity. ~Abraham Lincoln

    by raboof on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 03:35:32 PM PDT

  •  Complete nontechie here ... (4+ / 0-)

    ... so this very well might be best to disregard, but here goes anyway.  I have windows 8 and I prefer firefox.  I have not had the problems you describe, perhaps because I copy/paste differently:  Highlight what I want to copy (or move*), right click, select copy (or cut).  Point where I want it to go, right click and paste.

    * for moving, highlight, hold down left click and drag to new position also works.

    Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.

    by Joy of Fishes on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 04:07:21 PM PDT

  •  Get this add on (5+ / 0-)

    Classic Theme Restorer

    Restore squared tabs, appmenu, add-ons bar, small button view and more on Australis UI (Windows/MacOSX/Linux + Fx 29+).
    Also this one to make posting a breeze


    BBCodeXtra is an extension, compatible with Mozilla FireFox and Seamonkey, which adds to the context menu new commands to insert BBCode/Html/XHtml codes in an easy and fast way...

    "The good Earth — we could have saved it, but we were too damn cheap and lazy." Kurt Vonnegut - "A Man Without a Country", 2005.

    by BOHICA on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 04:13:54 PM PDT

  •  Youffraita - did you get. (4+ / 0-)

    your toolbar set back up???

    On top it should read File. Edit. View. History. Bookmark. Tools. Help  as the basics.  Are ALL gone?? or just the Edit gone??

    If you DON'T have any listed above, right click in the area where they normally are, and you should get a menu come up to let you put back the toolbar...(and from there you can customize to include Edit if it doesn't come back on its own)

    There will be no humanity without forgiveness. There will be no forgiveness without justice. But justice will be impossible without humanity. – Yolande Mukagasana

    by kishik on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 04:43:13 PM PDT

  •  I'm hopeless with .html codes (4+ / 0-)

    I can only copy-paste if they are on YouTube.  The other videos from other services are jerky and icky, so I click on pause and once the background line gets long enough, then I click Play and it gets smooth again.

    !@#$%^&*! Windows 8 is the worst !@#$%^&! web browser EVER.  IE hasn't worked properly (for me) since they took off the left menu.  That's the only reason I use Firefox: the left menu - which is how IE used to work.  I loathe that uncontrollable middle scroll menu that comes on both systems.

    Recently my W-7 laptop gave me the black screen of death.  I could (improperly) turn it off, it would reboot and I could hear the correct dings when I entered my password and when it got to the Desktop..., so "something" is working in my previous W-7 laptop.  At least I figured out how to use their [very limited] photo editor which is a piece of crap.  W-8 has an even WORSE "Photo Gallery" program and no menu to do even limited photo fixes.

    Less than 24 hours after I bought the cheap laptop with W-8 (none in the store had W-7), I discovered most of the stupid buttons featured on the ads are nothing but hyperlinks to web sites that want money for something, and of the ones I looked at, including IE, they all wanted my permission to let them spy on me!!!!!  [As IF!  Seriously, get fucking REAL.  NO, no, no, no, NO!  I assume they're spying on me even though I clicked NO.]  I deleted the majority of the buttons without clicking on them only to find them on a hidden page below a few days later.  I saved the Desktop icon, changed the home page pix, and saved the Skype icon in case I can chit-chat with my bro (for now I have a double-thick layer of sticky-note stuff over the camera lens)... IF I can resolve the modem dropping connection issues every time the train rolls by three blocks away and jiggles everything in this place, including (apparently) my internet connection (I have a local ISP with super helpful people, they can replace the modem, but they want to increase it to something that costs $10/month more, and I'm not sure if that's in connection with this idiotic 'net neutrality' issue or not).  Other than that, I've not found a good use for any of the other buttons.

    After 30 days, I was getting idiotic popups from McAfee about my unprotected system, they wanted me to pay them money..., but the Microsoft home page says their antiviral program is built IN to W-8, didn't even have to download it like I did for W-7, only I could never find out where the bloody menu for Windows Defender built into W-8 was!!!  I downloaded a free antiviral program of some sort (with annoying crap I didn't know came with it that I managed to uninstall)...., then Uninstalled McAfee with it's majorly annoying popup ads to buy it..., got a tiny popup about system potentially unprotected because Windows Defender was not turned on..., clicked on it again (expecting to get those runaround windows), got a new Windows Defender window..., got it turned on, did a full system check......, and Voila!  I have an antiviral program working in the background (about damned time these things come with antiviral programs built in - especially at those prices, even if I did buy the cheapest one).

    So..., to anyone who wants to know where the built-in antiviral program is in W-8:  Uninstall McAfee..., you'll get the Windows Defender antiviral program!  Apparently that idiotic McAfee suppresses and/or over-rides W-Defender so it "can't" show anything but a screen that, when clicked on, goes nowhere.  Uninstall McAfee is the answer.

    I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

    by NonnyO on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 05:42:14 PM PDT

    •  Download (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      BOHICA, NonnyO, mettle fatigue

      Classic Shell. It will boot your Win8 system to the desktop, and you won't have to deal with the "charms" - those icons that are made for touhscreens. You can choose which layout you like, too.

      For antivirus I use AVG Free and for malware detection, Malwarebytes.

      •  Windows Defender is part of W8... (1+ / 0-)
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        mettle fatigue

        i.e., I don't actually need separate antiviral programs.

        What I really need is a system and additional programs that work like Office Professional 2000 with my Wacom Tablet where I could restore old genealogy photos with PhotoStudio 2000's clone tool (the one that looks like a pencil, not that blobby clone stamp that can be had with so many other programs), plus make photos from old negatives (I have two different scanners with holders that will hold those old odd-sized negatives, plus chemicals which, when diluted with water, wash and rinse old negatives, and lingerie holders to hold the negatives until they dry when I hang them in my shower), make personalized logos for my genealogy web sites with one of the other Office 2000 programs (I had over 7300 fonts on that system), make seamless background graphics (think that was in a Corel program of some kind?), as well as other graphics using PhotoElements and several other graphics programs, and SO many other things!

        Yes, by the time I got enough hardware and software and enough knowledge to really accomplish things, everybody changed things by breaking what did not need fixing...!

        Laptops are only great for viewing TV shows online, watching YouTube videos, and blogging.

        For artistically creative things, I need a PhotoStudio 2000 (think it came as bundled software with one of my Wacom Tablets) which ran off of Windows 2000, plus something that will exactly duplicate Front Page 2000's editing ability for web pages, plus the ftp transfer ability to get the pre-made web sites from my iBook's genealogy program via a flash drive to my PC to do some last minute editing.... then transfer from my PC to my ISPs web server with the ftp transfer.  (Writing about it takes longer than the doing.)

        All of those things were lost to me when I had to change over to the Windows laptops.  I still have backups for Office Pro 2000 which is loaded with everything including all the bundled software programs that were so useful, but it all needs to be kept offline because Windows no longer provides support for Office 2000, and there aren't even antiviral programs that work with Office 2000 (at least that's what I was told several years ago).

        Suffice to say, if I can't work with programs that worked exactly and precisely the way they did with Windows 2000 Professional, I can't do anything practically or artistically creative with computers any longer.

        I had no knowledge of how to operate computer graphics programs when I got my first PC back in fall 2001 (had only worked with MacWrites back in college which is like the dark ages of computers, and that was only for writing essays for classes), so my learning "curve" wasn't even bent.  It was straight up a sheer wall with no lifelines because no one else knew what I was trying to do.  I taught myself these things.

        I can look at equipment or tools and know how I want to use it.  My checking account is not safe if I go in a hardware store - I know how to use various tools, like for making jewelry, for instance, but the names escape me if they're not imprinted on the tools (I'm the only woman I know with three tool chests); ditto for computer things.  I can see, read a description of computer hardware & software capabilities..., but adapt that knowledge to something specialized, like dpi settings for various sizes of images to get a good restoration that no one can even see because I enlarge the image, move pixels of exactly the same color (using the clone tool in PhotoStudio 2000, not that blobby clone stamp), save, put back to normal size, and no one can even tell I've even done a restoration.  I can do likewise for removing lint specks invisible to the naked eye, but when a small negative is scanned at 1200 dpi in lossless tiff format it's like a darn boulder when enlarged (once restored and saved, I convert a copy to jpg at lower dpi for web use).  I can duplicate pixels, make sure shades and tones for black and white or colored photos are the same, and get a pristine restored image (only with the clone tool in PhotoStudio 2000 which came as bundled software with either the Wacom tablet or the scanners, I no longer remember which..., not the blobby clone stamp that comes with several graphics programs...!).

        Modern operating systems don't seem to be any good for creative or artistic types, don't include many things that used to be included in old operating systems, because too many fingers in the pie have broken what did not need fixing in the first place.

        I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

        by NonnyO on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 10:45:54 PM PDT

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        •  You may want to look into LibreOffice (0+ / 0-)

          which is available for all major OSs (you don't have to switch from Windows to Linux to use it) and has an interface more like MS Office did before the "one interface for both desktops and tablets" and "keep everything in the cloud" crazes took over (it's compatible with the file formats for the more recent MS versions, as well as the older ones).

          I haven't used their graphics tools, but I seem to remember reading that there's serious support for Wacom tablets and similar devices.

          Unfortunately when smart and educated people get crazy ideas they can come up with plausibly truthy arguments. -- Andrew F Cockburn

          by ebohlman on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 04:40:02 AM PDT

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          •  Thanks for the head's up (0+ / 0-)

            There are certain programs (or maybe they're technically applications; I'm not sure if I have the terms correct) that work in a specific way that I need.  If they don't work exactly same way, I can't use them.

            I plan on having the IT fellow I plan on asking to recover or fix W7 to clone the old HD from Windows 2000 Professional with all my programs and apps that work precisely the way I need them and put them in an HD that I can keep offline to use for the specific restorations, photos, and graphics I was working on because there were a bunch I didn't finish before the HD started with funny noises.  I have the backup HD, so between them I should be able to be restored back to what it was before.

            I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

            by NonnyO on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 05:42:44 AM PDT

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            •  Virtualization Is a New-ish Thing that Will Help (0+ / 0-)

              It's kind of like having a "miniature computer" on your can load it with whatever operating system (Windows XP, Windows 2000,  Linux, FreeDOS, OS/2, whatever) and software you want...VirtualBox is good, and Microsoft has VirtualPC (I think the 2007 version of VirtualPC is free).

              Also, if you join the Microsoft Developer Network (MSDN), you can still get licenses for old MS software; unfortunately, MSDN is fairly pricey...

              •  VirtualBox (1+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:

                Is also free software

                •  I can definitely vouch for VirtualBox (1+ / 0-)
                  Recommended by:

                  I'm running three operating systems at the same time on my machine (Ubuntu 12.04, where I'm writing this; Windows 7 Pro; and Debian 7.5). The key to being able to do this is to have enough memory to split between the virtual machines, though you don't need 16GB like I have if you're only going to be running two OSs at once (I've been able to run 5 without problems).

                  One caveat: if you need to run Windows XP for some reason, it tends to hog resources when run as a VM.

                  Unfortunately when smart and educated people get crazy ideas they can come up with plausibly truthy arguments. -- Andrew F Cockburn

                  by ebohlman on Sat Jun 14, 2014 at 11:48:48 AM PDT

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  •  I too was in reaction mode after the big update (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    mettle fatigue

    but I survived after finding how to configure the new features.  I'm still not entirely happy with some changes, but you can put the app back together sort of.

  •  This right here (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    mettle fatigue, Oh Mary Oh

    is why I don't have anything on auto-update.  Most of the time I'll try to keep everything from even checking on updates.  When I want a goddam update, computer, I'll go looking for a goddam update.

    Tell me I need virus protection?  I'll pass.  Although once in Win98SE I ended up with the cutest pet virus ever.  It tried to use my Outlook to email itself all over, but since I never configured an email account in Outlook I just left it alone.  Every so often my firewall would warn me about it.  Let me know it was still there. Tell me XP ain't supported anymore?  So what?  I run an admin account that I almost never use except to install programs and everything else goes from a user account with no install permissions.  

    Nothing drives me up the wall more than my computer getting smart with me.  Automatic updates are the worst thing about computers.

    And my favorite part of Linux, btw, is the quadscreen setup.  You just can't beat that for getting things done!

    "Actually, I just like saying Benghazi. Benghazi benghazi benghazi benghazi!" --Rep. Darrell Issa, R-CA

    by jackdabastard on Fri Jun 13, 2014 at 11:13:27 PM PDT

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