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A few weeks ago conservative columnist George Will wrote a column in which he said that on some college campuses being a rape victim was a “coveted status.” The column was in response to statistics that indicate that one in five women in college are the victims of sexual assaults, and more importantly President Obama’s initiative to address the problem of sexual assault on campus. Will’s implication wasn’t that women were getting raped simply to gain all of the benefits of being a rape victim, but rather that many were falsely claiming to have been raped. Or as Will said, when you make “victimhood a coveted status that confers privileges, victims proliferate.” (I’m not quite sure what all those privileges are, beyond a free pelvic exam.)  

This is somewhat similar to former Missouri Republican Senate candidate Todd Akin’s controversial comments about “legitimate rape.” Most of the controversy over Akin’s comments involved his ignorant and ill-informed statement that women couldn’t get pregnant if it was “legitimate rape.” But the underlying idea was that there are lots of women who falsely claim they were raped.

These comments are fairly common among conservatives. They seem to think that large numbers of women are evil seductresses, willing to bed a man and then claim rape, either out of embarrassment, or as Will said, to gain some “privilege.”

This makes me wonder: what kind of women do they know? What kind of women have they dealt with?

I’ve never met an evil seductress, and I spent most of my twenties looking for her. I’ll frankly admit that I was (OK, am) a complete dork, which maybe keep the succubi away. But do so many women throw themselves at Mr. Will (and Akin and Hannity and Limbaugh) that he has to be very very careful? Was he such a stud in college that he lived in constant fear that one of his many conquests might turn on him?

When I look at George Will I see a doughy white guy, but maybe women see something different. Maybe they can’t help themselves. Maybe George has thousands of groupies, and certainly some are looking for more than a night of pure bliss. So maybe George knows from personal experience that some women are evil enchantresses.  

So I guess my question isn’t, why are so many conservative men misogynistic creeps, but rather, what kind of women do they know?

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  •  Maybe (9+ / 0-)

    he's never met any women at all?  that would explain a  lot.

    I shall die, but that is all that I shall do for Death; I am not on his payroll. - Edna St. Vincent Millay

    by Tara the Antisocial Social Worker on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 06:52:54 AM PDT

  •  Maybe ... (11+ / 0-)

    ... they learn what women think the same way they learn what liberals think, i.e. by repeating what other conservatives say on the subject.

    (As a matter of fact, that seems to be the way they learn about any subject.)

    Patriotism is the FIRST refuge of the scoundrel.

    by Tony Seybert on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 06:59:27 AM PDT

  •  To Begin With He's Pre Boomer (9+ / 0-)

    which means he became an adult and had his worldview solidified before The Pill gave women solid control over their reproduction. This was the sexual revolution-- and Will is on the wrong side of it.

    No generation is monolithic, his gave us Joan Baez and the Beatles among many cultural leaders, his being the last pre-boomer generation and today's retirees along with the tail end WW2 and the very oldest boomers.

    But statistically they are the strong Republican voting block and have the greatest (generational) concentration of people who never got comfortable with equality of demographics beyond white males.

    Generationally their archaic worldviews and values went out with the Summer of Love nearly half a century ago, though the religious conservative movements and racists have clung to them all along and have worked tireless to re-establish them as norms, and roll the clock and everyone else's rights back into the past. And they've made a great deal of regress for us over the decades.

    There always were plenty of women who shared those views, but I think they've always been outnumbered by their male peers. It's easier if your family or you have a husband who's well off and can provide you a comfortable stay at home lifestyle, and you don't aspire to a career. However the heavy hand of The Lord keeps a lot of women in line who'd personally prefer equality.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 07:02:27 AM PDT

  •  I gotta say... (4+ / 0-)
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    grover, denig, flatford39, NancyWH

    this diary smacks of the same attitude.  I get what you're trying to say, but it's a blame the women article at the end--not Will, the Neanderthal incarnate.  Just saying...

    "Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine." -- Patti Smith

    by followyourbliss on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 07:10:16 AM PDT

    •  Yup (2+ / 0-)
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      followyourbliss, flatford39

      The diarist tries to be sincere and ironic in the same piece. If you're going to end with that terminal idea -- especially if you're a man -- you really should have a diary that is heavy on irony all the way though (something like a Hunter writes ).

      Otherwise, the ending is more than just a little uncomfortable. I also bristled against it. I think I understood what the writer was trying to do . But it didn't work.

      A good effort. But execution was off.

      I'd recommend writing two different diaries. One sincere. ( which is essentially , the bulk of this diary ), and  one with the ironic "evil temptress " idea where the sarcasm is laid on thick. Then it's absolutely clear that the diarist is mocking the Blame the Women attitude .

      © grover


      So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

      by grover on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 07:35:30 AM PDT

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    •  But... (0+ / 0-)

      you can't convincingly (?) state that no conservatives with the Will mindset have had or have wives or girlfriends, can you?

      Will, the "Neanderthal* incarnate" and his ilk did not produce offspring via some magic process that does not include sexuality and sexual encounters with women at some level.

      Both parties in a consensual sexual relationship influence each other, for better or worse. So, IMO, although it's mostly on Will since he put this all out there, this attitude of his did not form in a vacuum.

      * (semi-snark, but based on science) How do know what sexual relationships among Neanderthals were like? Maybe they were mostly always consensual and affectionate. Like bonobos (sp. pan paniscus - the genus 'pan' being our closest relatives, biologically speaking), they might have been matriarchal. Research continues...

      Social justice is part of the implication of loving thy neighbor. - Frances Perkins

      by paz3 on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 01:06:47 PM PDT

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  •  maybe the diarist is looking for women to (1+ / 0-)
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    NancyWH

    tell him.  The problem is, we are not interested in the slightest.

    PRESENT Shock When everything happens NOW

    by Portia Elm on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 07:52:04 AM PDT

  •  White Male Privilege uu (1+ / 0-)
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    NancyWH

    In loyalty to their kind, they cannot tolerate our minds. In loyalty to our kind, We cannot tolerate their obstruction.

    by mojave mike on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 08:08:21 AM PDT

  •  Will hated the 1960s - Very Telling (0+ / 0-)

    In loyalty to their kind, they cannot tolerate our minds. In loyalty to our kind, We cannot tolerate their obstruction.

    by mojave mike on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 08:11:12 AM PDT

  •  Does this help? (1+ / 0-)
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    anon004

    When Mr. WH and I 1st were married, he went to his loser, wife/GF - less friends for "advice."  I suggested he should ask friends who were, like, happily married, with some USEFUL advice.  Maybe Mr.Will has no friends who disagree with him about women with whom to bounce his theories off?  

    "The light which puts out our sight is darkness to us." Thoreau

    by NancyWH on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 08:13:43 AM PDT

  •  I didn't take it (1+ / 0-)
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    like some others did, apparently.  

    Maybe I'm not great at reading between the lines, but I didn't read the closing part of the diary as some kind of "blame the women" commentary.  Worldviews don't spontaneously come to life in a vacuum, it seems like a legitimate question as to who are the people that contributed to Will's warped view, or more important, failed to impress on him that you don't learn much about the outside world when you're transfixed on admiring your own navel.

    Then again, maybe he's the kind of person who doesn't listen to or hear anyone, just the sound of his own peachy swell voice inside his head.

    Mediocrities, entrusted with power over their fellow- creatures, invariably develop into tyrants. All history proves it. - Frederick Baron Corvo

    by penelope pnortney on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 08:22:19 AM PDT

  •  He's from the days of "boys will be boys," (2+ / 0-)
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    "liquor is quicker" and if all us fails, "slipping her a Mickey", and I'm wondering if they're worried that some of their own less chivalrous conquests might actually qualify as rape.

  •  What do you mean? George Will has to be the (3+ / 0-)
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    lilyvaldem, anon004, greenbell

    hottest guy ever.  Don't you see it?  I think it's the glasses.  Kidding.  While I do love the smart, nerdy types I think George Will loses any sex appeal when he starts talking particularly about 'lady parts'.

    He went by his old standby - challenging facts with his own opinions - and reaped the whirlwind because the topic is rape in a post-Sandra Fluke America.

    I will tell you something I have learned following the wonderful Twitter #YesAllWomen.  Men don't know a lot about women.  When I told a friend of mine that I was taught at the age of 11 to yell fire instead of rape because people were more likely to come outside and help, he was floored.  He didn't know.  Maybe because he grew up with 4 brothers and he doesn't have any daughters.  There were a few other nuggets of information where he was clueless.  I believe George Will is just as clueless only he has a column.  The fact that he hasn't retracted what he stated maybe unteachable.

  •  Just read his brief bio at IMDB and (1+ / 0-)
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    was surprised to find that he's been married twice and has 4 kids.  

    Living in GA I've seen some of the Republican women he's probably comfortable around.  Good question, what kind of women do they know.  One thing I do know, they're not like me.

    The GOP will destroy anything they can't own.

    by AnnieR on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 09:49:18 AM PDT

  •  It's the world in which he lives (0+ / 0-)

    (FWIW, I'm treating the diary as a genuine interest in why/how that mindset comes to be, even if the wording leaves something to be desired)

    In that world, men hold all the power, money, and status. Any women in that world receive only the power/money/status conferred to them by their relationship to the men in their lives. So for a woman to survive and thrive in this environment, she has to acquire the money/power/status through her relationship to men. If she wants more than they are willing to grant her by the means legitimate in the subculture, she has to resort to other means to get it, according to their rules. If a certain code of sexual conduct exists in the subculture, then that code can be used against the perpetrators of the code as well as its subjects. In this instance, a woman can accuse a man of rape and (theoretically) bring down his status and power. However in, say, a hard line Muslim country, this isn't the case, as accusations of rape result in much harsher punishments for women making the accusation.

    How does the Republican Congress sit down with all the butthurt over taxing the wealthy?

    by athenap on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 10:51:47 AM PDT

  •  He knows women in the right-wing (0+ / 0-)

    bubble -- white, privileged, willing to throw members of their own gender under the bus to curry favor and approval from their male masters.  It's not that these women don't know about sexual assault -- given the statistics, in some cases no doubt from personal experience.  It's just that if they want to stay in their lives of privilege, so they have to pretend "that sort of thing" only happens to loose, wanton, liberal women.

    •  Even that makes no sense to me (0+ / 0-)

      Maybe things did just change a lot by the late 60's but I'm an old sorority girl and at least half my sorority sisters were Republicans and I can't think of one who thought like that in college or thinks like that 45 years later.

      I can't even think of any of my mother's girlfriends who think like that.

      I mean Will is so far out of bounds it's really astonishing.  

      •  I was wondering if you'd seen brainwrap's (0+ / 0-)

        Republican Rape Advisory Chart?  He's made a chart of all the remarks Republicans have made about rape in the last few years (not 1960 or 1970, alas).  The latest abbreviated one is here:

        http://www.dailykos.com/...

        I think there's a link in the article to the full-length one, too.

        And women still voted for these geniuses.

        So, I think there are at least some Republican women who don't seem bothered by these things.

        •  Rape Advisory Chart (0+ / 0-)

          Thanks for the link anon004. I think Salon had something similar when Todd Akin roamed the earth.

          They're attitude disgusts me, but doesn't surprise me. What surprises me is that they don't get more heat for this kind of crazy stuff in the media. But I guess that's why we have Kos.  

  •  Not on his best day ever (0+ / 0-)

    can I imagine being attracted to George Will; not ever.
    Mr. Will is just four years older than me.  I am/consider myself a boomer....I was born after the war ended...just after.
    My sister was three years older than me and we were totally opposite in our politics.

    But then two of my closest friends are 75 and they are both die hard liberals.  Go figure.  I am from the Joan Baez wing of the older voters (and most of my life have been told I look like her...but alas I cannot sing well).  

    Over the years, because of my age, I dated quite a few of the GW types or rather those who would become like George Will.  When I was in college, a state school, we were not far from an (at the time) all male private college where many of the guys were from rich oil families, or from some of the "old monied families of the northeast".  And of course when they needed girls for their parties they called our dorms.  Most of us out grew the rich frat boy mentality by the end of our freshman year.  A few continued to see those guys as "a means to a better/richer life."  Sadly more than a few ended up broken hearted and even sadder a few ended up drugged and raped (though back then no one talked about it...just whispers about girls being left drunk/drugged in the dorm parking lot.      

    As an adult one of my friends got involved (and eventually married) a guy from an extremely wealthy family.  So I ended up often at parties with his friends, especially when they were engaged.   I was a teacher, a union rep, a member of the peace and justice commission and honestly, for my friend, I worked overtime being tolerant of some of the a**h*les there.  There were more than a few sanctimonious jerks who moved/talked like they had a stick up their butt (like George Will).  Now, I did know some of their girlfriends/wives.   And they did not seem to me to be the evil enchantress types.  In fact over the years, the three women that I did know well enough (including my friend) certainly did not get a good deal.  Two ended up with alcoholic husbands whose failures lost all their inheritance and then some.  And the one who was with a guy who was a success (with the help of daddy's money) herself ended up as an alcoholic.

    But all of the guys I knew who might end up being like George Will, had at least when were young, some redeeming qualities (looks, a sense of humor, a good body).   George has nothing....serious..NOTHING.

    “We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both.” Louis D. Brandeis

    by Jjc2006 on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 12:13:57 PM PDT

  •  I think he is both... (0+ / 0-)

    a doughy white dude and a misogynist.

    "Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell." - Edward Abbey

    by dougiemac in WA on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 03:37:54 PM PDT

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