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I ask you, what should we do when we see instances of blatant racism and just plain old injustice such as we see in this case?
Some folks claim that they are tired of the outrage; that some of us have made careers out of getting outraged. I ask those who are suffering from such apathy to remember that it was the outrage of seeing what happened in Selma, Alabama back in '65 that moved a president to action and galvanized decent people to protest against the injustice. It was the outrage of seeing the battered face of a fourteen year old boy lying in an open casket that inspired activist, and strengthened the resolve of those who were growing weary. It is outrage and the fear of outrage which will eventually put an end to this tyranny which is being visited on black and brown people in this country.

And now another case that calls for outrage. You cannot watch the video below, and look at the circumstances surrounding it and tell me that you are not outraged. Outraged at the actions of the officer, and outraged at the response of Arizona State University.

Professor Ore is an English professor whose research interests include cultural studies, according to ASU's website.
http://www.azfamily.com/...
Dr. Ore was going about her business when she walked out in the street so as to avoid construction on the sidewalk. As you can see in the video, everybody else is doing exactly what she did. Watch as the officer demands to see her id and what happens next:

Professor Ore now has four criminal charges pending, and an arrest record.

criminal charges of assaulting a police officer, resisting arrest, refusing to provide identification when requested to do so by an officer, and obstructing a highway or public thoroughfare.”
After reviewing the tape of what went down, somebody in an important position at ASU sat down and penned this response:
“ASU authorities have reviewed the circumstances surrounding the arrest and have found no evidence of inappropriate actions by the ASUPD officers involved. Should such evidence be discovered, an additional, thorough inquiry will be conducted and appropriate actions taken.
http://www.azfamily.com/...

If you feel outraged at what you have seen in the video, you may be moved to contact the president of the university:
Academic/Administrative Requests
Office of the President
Mail Code 7705
PO Box 877705, Tempe AZ
85287-7705
Phone: (480) 965-8972
FAX: (480) 965-0865
email here:

Originally posted to JoanMar on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 12:07 AM PDT.

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  •  Tip Jar (116+ / 0-)

    Maya Angelou: “There's a world of difference between truth and facts. Facts can obscure truth.”

    by JoanMar on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 12:07:45 AM PDT

  •  Your point is valid, and I'm tired of (53+ / 0-)

    white cops targeting everyone who isn't white, but she didn't meekly accept their orders, and so, under White Supremacist Law in AZ, she's guilty of not immediately surrendering b/c of whatever they imputed she had done.

    Mostly, you nailed it: Guilty of Walking While Black.

    But (this is how reduced we are as a nation) at least they didn't shoot or Tase her; something that would have happened here in PA and probably in NYC too.

    English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street. E. B. White

    by Youffraita on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 12:23:13 AM PDT

    •  You know, that is precisely why we have (41+ / 0-)

      law enforcement officers, isn't it?
      Not everyone will meekly obey orders, and especially not when they are unjust, discriminatory orders.
      Not meekly obeying orders does not give them the right to treat her with such brutality and disrespect.
      That last comment is like a dagger.
      Are we to meekly accept our second or third class status?

      Maya Angelou: “There's a world of difference between truth and facts. Facts can obscure truth.”

      by JoanMar on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 12:32:08 AM PDT

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      •  Well no, of course not: (30+ / 0-)
        Are we to meekly accept our second or third class status?
        But it seems to me that the time to contest it is in court, preferably with a REALLY terrific lawyer if you can afford it, or with all the power of the ACLU helping out.

        When the cops are there arresting you, I think you go quietly. B/c at this point they are so militarized they'd rather kill you than talk to you. And they won't listen to reason...until it comes out of their paycheck -- which is perhaps the best way to end police brutality: make 'em pay the fucking bills they're responsible for.

        But I fantasize: ain't gonna happen.

        English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street. E. B. White

        by Youffraita on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 12:42:53 AM PDT

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        •  Her best bet would have been to comply (13+ / 0-)

          with the police officer's request.  She didn't do that.  Just put your hands behind your back and talk all you want.  The fact that she had to be manhandled is not going to bode well when it comes time for a hearing, and I imagine one or 2 of those counts involve resisting arrest and kicking an officer.

          Yes, if she was singled out that was wrong, but the moment of the arrest was not the time to discuss that.  The time for discussion was just prior to the police officer asking her to put her hands behind her back or when she goes before a judge.  Her behavior in-between muddles the injustice (again if she was in fact singled out).

          Here's another thing I noticed particularly from people of certain economic/education backgrounds.  Police officers arrest EVERYONE they perceive as breaking the law.  Having a certain amount of money or a PhD does not exclude you from the pool of potential arrests.  Dr. Ore was trying to control a situation where she had no control.

          I am not seeing police brutality.  I am seeing a police officer trying to make an arrest and handling an uncooperative individual.

          •  For her own safety she needed to put her hands (16+ / 0-)

            behind her back. If the officers had been more hopped up on testosterone or steroids she could have been seriously injured. Reasoning with them is hopeless. We really do live in a police state and we need to try to fight it in the court of public opinion. I have lost confidence in the courts.

            It is not just black people though. Poor whites and Hispanics get roughed up, too. I know a churchgoing, white, widow lady who is afraid and angry about the police. She was telling me about an Hispanic kid who supposedly committed suicide in a police car by shooting himself in the face--while his hands were cuffed behind his back. She identifies with the Hispanic kid. The white widow lady is diabetic; low insulin levels in diabetics cause disorientation that police confuse with substance abuse. Instead of providing medical help cops have been know to throw diabetics to the ground and brutalize them.

            We need to get rid of the laws that allow police to confiscate property if THEY claim it has been involved with drugs. This takes out their profit motive for stop and frisk. There has to be more pressure to remove abusive cops. We can at least dream about prosecuting cops who murder unarmed, innocent citizens.

          •  'she had to be manhandled' (25+ / 0-)

            Really?

            And 'police officers arrest EVERYONE they perceive as breaking the law'. No. Lots of people were 'breaking' the same law in this instance, only the one WWB was detained, questioned and arrested.

            In our criminal justice system, a Republican is presumed innocent until the 2nd Coming. - Gooserock

            by ExpatGirl on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 05:44:59 AM PDT

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            •  I agreed with everything in that post EXCEPT the (2+ / 0-)
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              "she had to be manhandled" part.  It was (AFAIK; can't tell what happened before the video) wrong to stop her and wrong to arrest her.  But she shouldn't have resisted arrest even if it's a bad arrest.  Especially if it's a bad arrest, actually.  At that point she wants to be seen in as sympathetic a light as possible, and refusing to put your hands behind your back isn't a good way to do that.

              (link to post I'm referring to, since threading can get difficult to follow)

              "Happiness is the only good. The place to be happy is here. The time to be happy is now. The way to be happy is to make others so." - Robert Ingersoll

              by dackmont on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 07:22:04 AM PDT

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              •  Resisting unlawful and racially motivated arrests (6+ / 0-)

                Is legal.  That is what Rosa Parks did, and what we all must do now.  Yes, there is a risk, and sometimes a high risk, but without taking that risk we end up as serfs.

                Patriotism may be the last refuge of scoundrels, but religion is assuredly the first.

                by StrayCat on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 08:41:35 AM PDT

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                •  Asdf (3+ / 0-)
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                  Flying Goat, dackmont, Pi Li

                  Rosa parks did not resist arrest or disrespect the police officers who responded.

                  One can argue with bus drivers and fellow citizens, but when the police tell you to do something, best di it and fight back later.

                  The best way to tell a Democrat from a Republican is to present someone requiring food and shelter. The Democrat will want them housed and fed, even if they be faking need. The Republican will gladly see them starve until all doubt is removed.

                  by GayIthacan on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 10:09:28 AM PDT

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                •  No it's not legal (8+ / 0-)

                  And that's the point of non-violent resistance.

                  By refusing to comply, you're asking to be arrested.  You're asking to be punished.

                  You're hoping that the arrest and punishment draw attention to the unjust law and treatment.

                  You're hoping that the attention effects a change to the law.

                  Now, you can also do the same thing with active resistance, as Dr. Ore did.

                  And what she demonstrated pretty clearly was that she was dealing with a belligerent police officer who had no idea how to use his authority.  Who had no idea how or desire to prevent the conflict from escalating.

                  The cop didn't have to get confrontational and resort to force.  He just did it because he could.

                  •  One only has a duty to comply with the legal order (1+ / 0-)
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                    Orders of a police officer.  Illegal orders are void and need. to be obeyed.  If  two cops came up to you and ordered you to strip naked, would you obey?  What if a police officer insisted on sticking his or her fingers into the opening (s) in your body ordinarily covered by your underwear?  Is it OK to resist that.  Is it OK to insist on basic decency without being thrown to the ground, being cuffed, arrest and charges with violent felonies when all you were doing was walking around a construction site?  And don't claim that these things do not happen, because each of them have in the past two years in southwestern states.

                    Patriotism may be the last refuge of scoundrels, but religion is assuredly the first.

                    by StrayCat on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 05:13:11 AM PDT

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              •  dackmont - I agree (7+ / 0-)

                What's missing is what happened before the tape. How do we know what the facts are before the tape starts? Is there any video evidence of that period? When this tape starts she has already been arrested and even if it's a completely bogus arrest, she does not have the legal right to resist. Once you have been arrested, it just makes it all worse if you don't comply.

                "let's talk about that" uid 92953

                by VClib on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 08:43:03 AM PDT

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              •  It looks like he gave her very little, if any, (4+ / 0-)
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                warning before grabbing her when she was arguing with him.  Agree she didn't behave as she ideally should not have resisted, but people are not used to being manhandled by strange men.  Trying to defend oneself is not an unusual action, particularly when surprised.

          •  I find the video unclear...The audio however, (15+ / 0-)
            “OK, put your hands behind your back,” Ferrin said.
            “Don’t touch me,” Ore said. “Get your hands off me.”
            “Put your hand behind your back. I’m going to slam you on this car. Put your hand behind your back,” Ferrin said.
            Note that's his first mention of arresting her, and there are pretty much no pauses in that conversation.  (Note that there's a longer audio only version on the linked site)

            Going from "put your hands behind your back" to grabbing a person and telling them you're going to physically attack them (If you have a better interpretation of telling someone you're going to slam them against a car, I'm all ears) in 20 seconds seems pretty unreasonable to me.  Unclear if he grabs her before telling her to put her hands behind her back, but there's very little time between the two.

            People don't expect to be grabbed, and tend not to respond well to being grabbed unexpectedly, which she clearly was.  I suspect it takes the average person more than 20 seconds to figure out "Ok, I'm being arrested for no reason, I'm better off going along with it."

            (As for the no reason part - it's clear there is construction along the sidewalk, and people are crossing across the middle of the street in the background.  Since there's talk about her being in the middle of the street, I assume she did the same, as opposed to walking alongside the construction, which I suspect is more dangerous).

            •  Flying Goat - is it possible that the arrest (2+ / 0-)
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              preceded the start of the tape? That's what it seems like. Police don't typically cuff you prior to an arrest.

              "let's talk about that" uid 92953

              by VClib on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 08:44:55 AM PDT

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              •  Why are you forever seeking justifications for (4+ / 0-)

                unjust actions.
                Outside of issues having to do with race and law, you are pretty reasonable.
                I find your constant explaining away of egregious actions against some people offensive and infuriating.

                Maya Angelou: “There's a world of difference between truth and facts. Facts can obscure truth.”

                by JoanMar on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 09:16:27 AM PDT

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                •  What you have asked us to do is to make a (6+ / 0-)

                  judgement based only on a short piece of tape that doesn't have the key element, what happened in the few minutes prior to the tape in your diary? What the tape shows is someone resisting arrest and will be used as evidence against the professor in her trial. The tape is damaging to her case, not exculpatory, as others have noted in the comments.

                  I can't help it, my mind has been forever warped to view these issues through a legal prism.

                  "let's talk about that" uid 92953

                  by VClib on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 09:41:27 AM PDT

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                  •  Isn't that something? (9+ / 0-)

                    We - you and I - look on the same piece of evidence, and you see a woman resisting arrest and disobeying the orders of a law enforcement officer. You see a woman who is guilty of something.
                    I see a man manhandling a woman, treating her with disrespect with no regards for her dignity or humanity. I see a huge white man with a smaller black woman forcing her to submit to his will. I hear his unreasonable requests and know that there are a hundred different ways this unnecessary encounter could have been handled. I see the video showing as exculpatory, you see it as proof of guilt.

                    And just to be fair here, I'll tell you what happened to me recently in CT.
                    I am late for work and there's bumper to bumper traffic on 1-95 so I get off the highway and take some back roads. I'm zipping along at 40 mph in a 25 mph zone (Greens Farms Rd).
                    I go around a corner and see the cop car sitting there...waiting for me. Before he could get a chance to act, I pulled over, turned down my music, put on my hazard lights, rolled down my window, and got my papers. As he approached my window, I started talking, "Officer I know I'm wrong, I am so late and..." "Whoa," he said. "Hold on a minute. I am not giving you a ticket, just a warning. You know we have people walking their dogs on this street and their complaining about the speeding." "I understand," I said.

                    You may see that as proving your point, but you'd be wrong.
                    First, for the most part, the cops in CT are some of best anywhere. We do have those with their occupation mentality in some cities, and those who think their primary duty is to protect property in rich areas, but we have some beautiful cops here.
                    Second, I was at fault.
                    I assure you that my attitude would have been much different if I thought I was being profiled. I would have acted exactly as the professor did.

                    Maya Angelou: “There's a world of difference between truth and facts. Facts can obscure truth.”

                    by JoanMar on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 10:00:30 AM PDT

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                    •  You were lucky (2+ / 0-)
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                      JoanMar, Yasuragi

                      You were in Westport.  

                      I suspect that if you were in say Darien or in New Canaan DWB you wouldn't have gotten as nice a reception.  

                      This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

                      by DisNoir36 on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 12:02:26 PM PDT

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                      •  O, I have no doubt. (3+ / 0-)
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                        Yasuragi, chrisculpepper, Youffraita

                        A friend of mine had an encounter with a cop in New Canaan, and let's just say, the cop was not as understanding as the one in Westport.

                        Maya Angelou: “There's a world of difference between truth and facts. Facts can obscure truth.”

                        by JoanMar on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 12:21:28 PM PDT

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                        •  It's the same everywhere, isn't it? (1+ / 0-)
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                          JoanMar

                          I live in the city now, and some of the cops know me b/c of where I work. But I'm afraid of many of them...I'm afraid of the cops (just north of here) where I grew up...and when I was much younger and moved to Philly, I was terrified of the Rizzo cops.

                          And I'm white, btw.

                          English usage is sometimes more than mere taste, judgment and education - sometimes it's sheer luck, like getting across the street. E. B. White

                          by Youffraita on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 01:40:33 AM PDT

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                        •  New Canaan cops and racism (1+ / 0-)
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                          JoanMar

                          New Canaan and Darien are sort of infamous for their latent racism.  Years ago when I worked in New Canaan there was a case of a black woman who was pulled over for DWB.  Unfortunately for the cop the  woman lived in town and she sued.  

                          This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

                          by DisNoir36 on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 07:47:57 AM PDT

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                          •  So I'm going north on 1-95 about (1+ / 0-)
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                            two weeks ago, and it's even slower than normal.
                            From a distance I can see the flashing lights of what I assume to be state patrol cars.
                            I come up to point where they were, and what do I see?
                            Two patrol cars backing in a late model benz. As I got up to them, the car begins to drive off. I was just in time to see that it was driven by a young black man.
                            The fact that they allowed him to drive off without following him, tells me that he had done nothing wrong. The fact that he had two cars - one directly in front, and the other behind  with lights flashing - tells me that this was a classic case of racial profiling.
                            I cannot begin to tell you how angry I was.

                            Maya Angelou: “There's a world of difference between truth and facts. Facts can obscure truth.”

                            by JoanMar on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 10:08:08 AM PDT

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              •  It doesn't sound like it to me. (3+ / 0-)
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                VClib, Kansas Born, Calamity Jean

                They go from talking about her walking on the street (Talking about her "being contacted" by the officer - this doesn't sound like "arrested" to me), to him demanding her license, to her protesting about being treated disrespectfully (Arizona's Paper's Please Law requires you have ID.  You generally aren't required to walk around with an ID at all times, in most states), to the scene on the video.

                Oh, and link to the audio (It's not the video on the source the OP links, it's the raw story link on that page):  http://www.azfamily.com/...

              •  In your experience, perhaps (0+ / 0-)
                Police don't typically cuff you prior to an arrest.
                It has happened to me; it has happened to friends and family members of mine; it is a common intimidation tactic.  

                As a 50-yo black man I can tell you it happens... a lot... often ending with the person being let go without being charged which begs the question of what the officer's justification was for handcuffing those persons in the first place...

                It has happened to me; it has happened to friends and family members of mine

                Fear doesn't just breed incomprehension. It also breeds a spiteful, resentful hate of anyone and everyone who is in any way different from you.

                by awesumtenor on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 12:21:51 PM PDT

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            •  I don't think anyone being wrongfully arrested (0+ / 0-)

              should go quietly.
              You are in more trouble if you are wrongfully arrested, because now the arresting officer has to invent a crime or face discipline. Trying to prove a negative is difficult at best.
              The other thing to keep in mind is the government's ability to "disappear" your ass for no reason and no evidence as long as they can hang a terrorist or immigration tag on you.
              I'd go kicking and screaming. so people would no I've been taken.
              Dealing with police hasn't changed much in 40 years. I was 2 days off the gun line in 'Nam and was beaten and arrested because I said Aye-Aye to a cop when he told me to move, while he examined my expired license, which you are or were allowed to have if accompanied with a military ID.
              While no racial slurs were used, I felt it to be an "uppity" arrest, and as a non-com I knew respect is learned and was as respectful as needed.
              The Judge learned how long I'd been back and threw the case out.
              I wandered there. Sorry.

              "If you tell the truth, you won't have to remember anything", Mark Twain

              by Cruzankenny on Tue Jul 01, 2014 at 08:44:41 AM PDT

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          •  The outrage of this incident (7+ / 0-)

            comes from the things that supposedly happened that the video doesn't show. I see an officer who is trying to arrest someone without hurting her and is very frustrated. It is nothing compared to the outrage I felt seeing Tony Bologna pepper spray those white girls doing nothing more than standing on the side walk, and then leaving them to writhe in pain.

            We are supposed to take the diarist's word for what led to this situation. I'd have to agree with the University that without seeing more, they can't criticize the officer.

          •  Some people bristle at rolling over for unjusti... (19+ / 0-)

            Some people bristle at rolling over for unjustified exercises of authority. This professor knew she was being singled out because of racism and she was mad. I'm with her 100%.

          •  Then we are all just escaped slaves who can be (5+ / 0-)

            taken off the street anytime a cop things he or she can get away with it.  Would you opinion differ in the case of a woman who was penetrated in the vagina and the anus by a state police officer on the side of the road in Texas about a year ago?

            Patriotism may be the last refuge of scoundrels, but religion is assuredly the first.

            by StrayCat on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 08:39:34 AM PDT

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            •  Yup the free oppress the freed (0+ / 0-)

              I voted Tuesday, May 6, 2014 because it is my right, my responsibility and because my parents moved from Alabama to Ohio to vote. Unfortunately, the republicons want to turn Ohio into Alabama.

              by a2nite on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 06:41:27 AM PDT

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          •  Status quo (2+ / 0-)
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            Yes we like the status quo. We even hire people with guns to keep it. I can't understand why people get exercised when it pops out in the open like this arrest.  Mark my words everything you do and say today is backed up with the threat of violence at the point of a gun.  Try acting up on the street , the supermarket or at a public meeting. They come for u and they often have guns. Even here at daily kos verbal violence all the time and even banning. While a mild exercise of violence. It is nonetheless. The whole thrust of our civilized behavior and our civilization, the status quo , is based on the threat of violence. American hegemony. Hell  we're the biggest killers on the planet.

            skip the light fandango, turn cartwheels across the floor

            by radicalink on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 09:14:00 AM PDT

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          •  "Police officers arrest EVERYONE (2+ / 0-)
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            of color they perceive as breaking the law." Now the statement is a bit more factual.  

            You must eat the elephant one bite at a time. - Twe Proverb

            by Mylies Voice on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 10:03:43 AM PDT

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            •  The implicit part of this (0+ / 0-)

              being persons of color in general and males of color in particular are generally asssumed to either be breaking the law, just finished breaking the law or are just about to break the law...

              Fear doesn't just breed incomprehension. It also breeds a spiteful, resentful hate of anyone and everyone who is in any way different from you.

              by awesumtenor on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 12:25:44 PM PDT

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          •  Prof v Police (0+ / 0-)

            The reason she wouldn't put her hand behind her back, as the first officer kept repeating, over and over is, I believe, an important aspect. While he was saying, "Put your hand behind your back." the professor repeatedly stated phrases like, 'Get off of me, move your leg...get your leg out of there, do you see where your leg is?.' I think those were her words. (My laptop is on it's way out and the audio wasn't great). While I may not have her entire dialogue verbatim, it's correct in content.
            However, I could not see below anybody's waist. What was going on with the "legs" that caused this Professor of the largest University in the U.S. to not just "go along to get along"? My suspicion is that in some prescribed police procedure the officer had his leg between hers in order to render her helpless, or less able to resist as he demonstrated by swinging her around, throwing her to the ground, losing her glasses (i did notice she had them pre-dosey-do and not after) but he did not once remove the offending leg.
            Where was his leg that moved her to protest to the point of where she gets booked for "resisting arrest"? Doesn't anyone else think this point might be important and matters?

        •  If we go quietly into the dark night of a police (1+ / 0-)
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          precinct, then our rights to walk freely about will be gone, and only the rich and connected will get any justice.

          Patriotism may be the last refuge of scoundrels, but religion is assuredly the first.

          by StrayCat on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 08:36:49 AM PDT

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      •  Maybe I missed something (1+ / 0-)
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        but I didn't see the actual incident, as in see her and others going around the construction. Nor did I see if the cop talked to anyone else. Is there more video that I missed?

        •  There is no video of other pedestrians (1+ / 0-)
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          but there is a longer audio and video if you click through to the actual news report. It gives more context, but no visual information about what others were doing just before the professor was stopped by the police officer.

          "let's talk about that" uid 92953

          by VClib on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 06:50:29 PM PDT

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    •  I just called and left a message (4+ / 0-)

      this President needs to be FIRED he is running a complete racist organization

      •  Why no recognition of the sexual assault factor? (2+ / 0-)
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        This police officer is getting off by dominating a Black female. Getting to put his hands on her, to the point.

        This is about sex.

        He couldn't squeeze her tits. Too many witnesses.

        He couldn't grab her crotch or get his fingers into her vagina, like what happened to Laura Linney in Cairo.

        Give him fewer witnesses, or no witnesses, this gets on to rape in a New York minute.

        "Stealing kids' lunch money makes them strong and independent." -- after Paul "False Prophet" Ryan

        by waterstreet2013 on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 07:47:14 AM PDT

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    •  WWB = Walking While Black (2+ / 0-)
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      for those wondering.

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      by kerplunk on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 09:28:08 AM PDT

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    •  She was wrong (8+ / 0-)

      Cooperate, then litigate.

      While her stop and arrest were 100% bogus, she should have kept her mouth shut and not resisted.  She made things worse for herself.  There is no winning on the street.  On the street the police have all the cards.  Win in the courtroom.

      at least they didn't shoot or Tase her
      Amen
      •  the most important thing when police grab you (2+ / 0-)
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        is to make sure to tell them "I am not resisting arrest" in very clear language.  So that you won't be charged with resisting arrest.  She was obviously struggling with the cop, and that means they get to charge her with assault and resisting arrest.  As a professor, she should probably know this. I know it simply by being well-read.  And it's got nothing to do with whether they have the right to or not.  Their rights get asserted before a judge, and if she hadn't resisted arrest she would have had a clear case for wrongful arrest.

        "Kossacks are held to a higher standard. Like Hebrew National hot dogs." - blueaardvark

        by louisev on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 12:02:56 PM PDT

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        •  the kick at the cop's head didn't help either. (2+ / 0-)
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          She missed, but it's assault on a peace officer.  

          This tape is a really good lesson in what NOT to do when being arrested.  At the point a cop decides to arrest, you have no choice, you are getting arrested.  Talk all you want, ask why they are arresting, but Don't. Physically. Resist.  It does nothing to help your cause and puts you at risk of getting shot.

          ... the watchword of true patriotism: "Our country - when right to be kept right; when wrong to be put right." - Carl Schurz; Oct. 17, 1899

          by NevDem on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 01:32:37 PM PDT

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          •  NevDem - very well stated (3+ / 0-)
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            Your legal options are always improved if you are polite, courteous, and compliant when dealing with a LEO. This is clearly an example of what not to do. Even if this is a bad arrest, and the jaywalking charge is dropped, the professor still has serious charges against her with video evidence beneficial to the prosecution.

            "let's talk about that" uid 92953

            by VClib on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 06:56:24 PM PDT

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  •  I was raised in Arizona. It used to be a pretty... (16+ / 0-)

    I was raised in Arizona. It used to be a pretty decent place to live and learn (ASU graduate). There used to be such lovely upper sonoran desert there!

    I now consider it to be a place so filled with vile imported loons that I will not willingly visit there.

    Bring back Bruce Babbit!!!

  •  Sigh... I remember the 60s and 70s (23+ / 0-)

    when cops were known as pigs by us hippies.  The thought wasn't "cops are pigs"; the thought was anyone who would WANT to BE a cop must be kind of piggy.  I remember a period when cities fought against police unionization; now all police are unionized and (can) make $100,000 and more per year, at least around here (SF Bay Area).  For several decades there was essentially little or no trouble as cops were trained in civility toward citizens... i.e., peaceful protesters, like war protesters, etc.  And police infiltrated protest groups -- that's pretty piggy.

    I think many cops have gone back to piggish behavior since 2001...  They love the power their badge gives them... and this video kinda says as much, as well as LOTS of video during, e.g., the Occupy movement when they were told to quell Occupy protests and again infiltrated the Occupy populations.

    The problem is they operate within an authoritarian mind set.  Any abnormal behavior is automatically bad.  They like order and neatness.... makes me wanna puke.  I know I'm stereotyping, there are plenty of "good" cops.  The problem is that the good ones will never get in the face of the thugs -- police brotherhood and all that.  This video seems to show a cop in particular who was probably wrong for giving Ms. Ore shit about being in the street... and she was probably wrong for apparently slightly resisting from the get go (according to the video).  But I don't know why the copy became physical so readily after asking her if she knew this was a street - that's insulting, and says something about the cop's state of mind... cop may be a bit racist?  Wouldn't be a first.  After her lifetime of "walking while black," I don't blame her.  I'd settle the criminal matters (should be easy); then sue the shit out of the department in civil court.

    How children dance to the unlived lives of their parents. Rilke

    by ceebee7 on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 02:55:14 AM PDT

  •  For those who argue (36+ / 0-)

    that what is wrong in this nation is simply a matter of social class - Dr. Ore's social status did not protect her from abusive police.

    Yes.  WWB.

    Sending email.

    Thanks for posting this Joan.

    "If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition." Dr. Bernice Johnson Reagon

    by Denise Oliver Velez on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 03:02:09 AM PDT

    •  'Class struggle' nonsense is usually an escape (16+ / 0-)

      for folks who dont want to talk about white supremacy. But you really can't discuss anything in this country without first considering white supremacy, because it is at the very root of everything from government to culture to religion. Everything. Whenever I hear "no....its really about class" despite being obviously false I know that person just doesnt want to discuss it for some reason.

      Quite frankly, this Professor should know better. This is America and these officers are white. Its fuckin Arizona for chrissakes, I dont even get why someone of her stature would even live there much less make her fight with the police. Im sure if she has her own children she wouldnt have counseled anything more than "dont fight the police, fight the district attorney." She could have been murdered easily and without any consequences for these two white people. Or by some bystanders, considering how white people in Arizona are.

      Show the id. Keep quiet. Get badge numbers and attorneys involved. Escape with her life because her dignity is already gone because this is America (white supremacy) and she is black.

      But give it another 50 years or so and the tables will be turned, even in Arizona. Then we can talk about an equal society in deeds and hearts, not just in court or in the movies.

      The kids are awesome.

    •  Thank you, sis. (14+ / 0-)

      I must say that I'm bothered - to put it mildly - that some of us would blame the innocent victim for what happened to her. They see nothing wrong that she was targeted and singled out by the abusive cop.
      This is even more troubling than this one cop's action.

      Maya Angelou: “There's a world of difference between truth and facts. Facts can obscure truth.”

      by JoanMar on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 08:08:08 AM PDT

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    •  In my experience no one ever talks (9+ / 0-)

      about class, even the people who say it's all about class. Those same people will go on about how Americans need to wake up and blah di blah, blaming people for their own oppression. Nor do they want to talk about how class and race interact. A large amount of racism is treating people of color as if they are poor, for example Oprah's experience of being told a bag was too expensive for her. We can't just talk about class or just talk about race because the two are so intertwined in the US.

      Here's another example where black women are evicted at a rate on par with black men's incarceration rates.  This is happening because of both classism and racism. Most people in the US don't even bat an eye at blatant classism, things like making it illegal to sleep on benches for example.

      No War but Class War

      by AoT on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 08:14:11 AM PDT

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    •  I was born a poor white child. (5+ / 0-)

      Bottom of the heap. Public housing project. Third-hand clothes and shoes. But the worst treatment I ever received from police is better than the best treatment many blacks receive.

      Corporations, which should be the carefully restrained creatures of the law and the servants of the people, are fast becoming the people’s masters. -- President Grover Cleveland, 1888

      by edg on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 09:41:04 AM PDT

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  •  Black people walk more than white people. (14+ / 0-)

    The police are trained to be suspicious of all pedestrians because pedestrians, unlike the drivers of mobile cages, have not given prior consent to being randomly stopped by a cop.
    U.S. car culture is basically antagonistic towards people on foot. That's why some roads are specifically prohibited to their use. In addition, private property serves, in large part, to keep humans from engaging in random locomotion.

    So, given people's customary behavior and the prejudices of public officials, who perceive themselves as enforcers of order (the opposite of randomness), it is entirely logical that more black and brown walkers will be arrested than white ones.

    (I, a white woman, was arrested at age forty for resisting arrest and obstructing a police officer by questioning his behavior towards someone else. Ergo, this is not a new occurrence).

    The reason democracy requires eternal vigilance is because there will always be some people who lust for power and think they have found it in public office.
    While the demand for identification from pedestrians has been found invalid in some jurisdictions, a person stepping into the street might be fair game from the perspective of the cops. Since they are keen to stop people, why not give it a try? From the cops' perspective, there is nothing to be lost by being overly-suspicious and even aggressive, especially with populations (female, minority, minor) that are, presumably, not dangerous. Why? Because being respectful and courteous is not a job requirement. The police are inculcated with the notion that everyone is a potential crook and they have no duty to be nice. That they are public servants is the last thing on their minds.

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    by hannah on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 04:50:11 AM PDT

  •  Minor correction. (4+ / 0-)
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    Dr. Ore is not a full professor. Although she is described in most news reports as "Professor," her correct title is Assistant Professor.   ASU faculty listing page here.

    I certainly would like to see that internal investigation file.  It does not pass the smell test.

    Rudeness is a weak imitation of strength. - Eric Hoffer

    by Otteray Scribe on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 05:15:49 AM PDT

  •  What BBB said; she's lucky they didn't murder her; (10+ / 0-)

    the police are agents of white supremacy. They're evil.

    I voted Tuesday, May 6, 2014 because it is my right, my responsibility and because my parents moved from Alabama to Ohio to vote. Unfortunately, the republicons want to turn Ohio into Alabama.

    by a2nite on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 05:16:42 AM PDT

  •  I don't understand the 'tired by the outrage' (8+ / 0-)

    thinking. What is the alternative? Give up?

    In our criminal justice system, a Republican is presumed innocent until the 2nd Coming. - Gooserock

    by ExpatGirl on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 05:47:23 AM PDT

  •  i had the misfortune of spending a semester (10+ / 0-)

    teaching at asu recently...it is more a training center for the military-industrial complex than institution of higher learning...i ran screaming at the first opportunity

    fuck asu

    •  It used to be a nicer place. (0+ / 0-)

      30 years ago.  

      R/W crazies have infested the place since then I suppose.

      ... the watchword of true patriotism: "Our country - when right to be kept right; when wrong to be put right." - Carl Schurz; Oct. 17, 1899

      by NevDem on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 01:47:57 PM PDT

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  •  we need more than outrage. (10+ / 0-)

    we need action in our communities... the real emergence of progressives and social/economic justice is NOT coming from Washington or the politicians there... despite the sound bites from Liz Warren.

    the movements are happening in our communities, towns, villages, counties, states... where we can reign in, regulate, and reorganize police and prisons and keep our schools public et al.

    this is a human rights issue in America and it impacts all of us and the continuing fostering of racism and bullshit memes against immigrants, muslims, people needing social assistance can be ... must be... upended as we strengthen our communal ties.

    and there are some incredibly savvy orgs doing lots of good with little resource.

    still find it hard to stop thinking of Trayvon and Jordon . . .

    “You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.” Buckminster Fuller

    by pfiore8 on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 06:37:56 AM PDT

  •  Would I have done differently? (7+ / 0-)

    As a retired teacher, I may have also tried to forestall an arest and tried to talk my way out of it, just as she had done. I may have been successful because I am white and elderly.
    Why the officers try to arrest first and not allow an explanation of behavior before arrest has always puzzled me. I think people would be more cooperative if they were allowed to say something.

    I have seen too many videos of arrest first and explanations later. No wonder people tend to argue.

    Character is what you are in the dark. Emilio Lizardo in Buckaroo Bonzai

    by Temmoku on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 06:54:24 AM PDT

    •  Thank you. I have a feeling (2+ / 0-)
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      that the vast majority of us would do exactly as you outlined.

      Maya Angelou: “There's a world of difference between truth and facts. Facts can obscure truth.”

      by JoanMar on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 08:34:28 AM PDT

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    •  They're taught to be in "control" ... (0+ / 0-)

      of any situation. The most obvious and easy way is the cuffs.   Argue, Raise your voice and they respond with "controlling" cuffs.  What a lot of people don't realize is that you can still explain once the cuffs are on.  

      I don't know what the law is like in Arizona but there are a lot of statutes on the books that allow cops to "un-arrest" people cops detain.  (This is to avoid the multi-millions legal settlement through poor/bad judgement on the scene later.)  I'm surprised a person of her education hasn't picked up on that point.

      ... the watchword of true patriotism: "Our country - when right to be kept right; when wrong to be put right." - Carl Schurz; Oct. 17, 1899

      by NevDem on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 01:59:19 PM PDT

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  •  Here's a very unpopular thought: I have less (5+ / 0-)

    sympathy for her after watching this video. The problem isnt race, its SOP. This is the new SOP.  I've have had this happen to me, a "nice white guy". However ludicrous the reason for her stop, once directed to put your hands behind your back to get cuffed, you don't start arguing about the positon of the officers leg (meant to control you until you're cuffed). It's called giving them an excuse to fuck you up. Citizens are dangerous, dont you know? Don't you feel safer now?

    Even if I knew that tomorrow the world would go to pieces, I would still plant my apple tree. -Martin Luther

    by the fan man on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 06:58:20 AM PDT

    •  Define SOP please. Thanks. n/t (0+ / 0-)

      Live so that when your children think of fairness, caring and integrity, they think of you. H. Jackson Brown, Jr.

      by Ellen Columbo on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 07:20:56 AM PDT

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    •  Bullshit! A man's leg jammed into a woman's (7+ / 0-)

      rear end is not a method of control before handcuffing, but a sexual assault intended to diminish and render the victim emotionally helpless.  Arrest for jaywalking, a violation or misdemeanor, and not a crime, is not SOP.  A summons is sop.  This was and is a blatant assault on a person of color for walking about freely in a Southern state.  The uppity black woman, professor or not, did not display the proper amount of anxiety and respect that the cop thought was warranted.
          Again, there was. O basis for an arrest for a minor violation, so the arrest was merely a pretext for the ensuing intentional violence.  The police today are trained in the methods of violence escalation so that they can control the mob.

      Patriotism may be the last refuge of scoundrels, but religion is assuredly the first.

      by StrayCat on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 08:57:07 AM PDT

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      •  I couldn't see his.leg, could you? When I (1+ / 0-)
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        was arrested,  the officer did the same to me, its to stop you from turning around at close quarters.
         If I recall he did remove his leg, somewhat,  and instead of completing his order to give him her hand to get cuffed, she spun around which led to him grabbing her, she pulled away and ultimately wound up.getting decked to the dirt.

        My whole point is this wasn't racially motivated and in fact was rather tragic give the circumstances. I don't care if the peraon is on the Board of Trustees or a down and out student, no one should be treated like this but often are. The procedures authorized are often on the side of the law and unless you at the time are looking for trouble, compliance is often the best defense.

        Even if I knew that tomorrow the world would go to pieces, I would still plant my apple tree. -Martin Luther

        by the fan man on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 12:39:56 PM PDT

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        •  Well put. (1+ / 0-)
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          ... the watchword of true patriotism: "Our country - when right to be kept right; when wrong to be put right." - Carl Schurz; Oct. 17, 1899

          by NevDem on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 02:04:48 PM PDT

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        •  How do you know it wasn't racially motivated? (0+ / 0-)

          Are you a close confidant of the office in question and he told you?

          You weren't there; so how do you know, as a matter of fact, that his actions were not motivated by race?

          Fear doesn't just breed incomprehension. It also breeds a spiteful, resentful hate of anyone and everyone who is in any way different from you.

          by awesumtenor on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 12:33:10 PM PDT

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      •  Here's a far more brutal jaywalk arrest: (1+ / 0-)
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        This man was Chinese and much older. No change in police policy but there will be a civil lawsuit.

        Jaywalking Crackdown In New York Leads To Brutal Arrest Of 84-Year-Old Man

        Getting the picture?

        Even if I knew that tomorrow the world would go to pieces, I would still plant my apple tree. -Martin Luther

        by the fan man on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 01:04:04 PM PDT

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  •  We can go back and forth all day about whether (11+ / 0-)

    she should have said or done this or whether the cop should have said or done that.

    The bottom line is that I am supposed to be living in a country where I can walk down the street and go about my business without being stopped, questioned, and/or arrested.  Coming the day after I read an article about border town citizens having to submit to relentless stops and searches just because they live near the border, this strikes me as the police back in the 60's.  We have swung the cycle around and back to the days of militarized police.  Only this time they have way to much money from Homeland Security to purchase too many unnecessary military style weapons.  And they feel justified using them.

    Does the one officer really think he can stand there and have an "adult" conversation with someone you are messing with for what appears to be no reason?

    Bottom line, if she was white they wouldn't have messed with her.  Period.  And if the cops had stopped me for no reason I would have argued with them as well.

    •  I wrote a comment on that article (4+ / 0-)

      about citizens in border towns having to constantly prove that they are US citizens.
      I got a "SO WHAT?" response.
      This person said that it had happened to them a lot of times.
      And this is the problem. People freely keep giving up their 4th amendment rights.
      Look at what happened with the TSA. they kept demanding more and more, and instead of enough people saying enough and boycotting or protesting their abuses, they just rolled over.
      Now we have handicapped people, old women and men in wheelchairs, and even young kids getting violently groped.

      "Americans don't understand that terrorists cannot take away habeas corpus, the Bill of Rights, or the Constitution. Terrorists are not anything like the threat that we face from our own government in the name of fighting terrorism."

      by snoopydawg on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 11:05:26 AM PDT

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  •  She should have cooperated? WTF? (6+ / 0-)

    Just relax, lie back, don't fight.  Some of us have had enough, you know.  You grab my breast on the subway I will grab your balls, twist hard and hope you lose both of them to blueball surgery.  Some of us are fucking done.  Don't advise that we swallow the insult for our own good.  Been there, done that, things are now worse.  

    I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

    by I love OCD on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 07:40:11 AM PDT

    •  It's always been the case that if you don't (2+ / 0-)
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      cooperate with a cop the cop views you as a threat.  That ain't new. Just been that we've never had all this media to show what's always gone on.  

      "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubt." Bertrand Russell I'm very certain that is true. 10−122

      by thestructureguy on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 12:05:20 PM PDT

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      •  I know that, been on the wrong side of (2+ / 0-)
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        it a couple of times.  We still need to fight back.  Knuckling under continues the cycle.

        I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

        by I love OCD on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 12:34:08 PM PDT

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        •  It's not an issue of knuckling down. The battle (0+ / 0-)

          and the war can't be won by arguing or not complying with the cop at the time.  Can end up arrested or beat down or both.  It's fight we can't win.  But through the process and the Courts we can win.  The battle is to be able win in Court. To often the cops are believed. Video should help.  However, in this case we didn't see what happened BEFORE.  What we saw will likely not be considered the cops fault and within policy.  

          "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubt." Bertrand Russell I'm very certain that is true. 10−122

          by thestructureguy on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 07:50:00 PM PDT

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    •  Cecily McMillan is in jail for defending herself (3+ / 0-)
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      after a cop grabbed her breast as she was leaving the site of an Occupy protest. There are quite a few photos of police grabbing women from behind during Occupy. In one photo the cop reached under the woman's clothing.

      The police have gotten so violent it is best not to resist physically. We need to go public after these incidents and try to create community support for restrictions on their behavior. There are plenty of angry, frightened people who would like to put a stop to this garbage. Poor people, minorities, people with disabilities or medical conditions and women are all harassed by the cops whenever the cops feel like it.

      All of us need to work together to convince the cops that they should be public servants, not violent abusers.

  •  Nothing wrong in video (5+ / 0-)

    As someone said above, the allegation go inappropriate conduct is for something that happened before the video. What happened in the video is entirely appropriate on the part if the police and it's quite visible that she tries to kick the police officer at one point.

    That's not in any way to say that her account (or the diarist's) is incorrect, but this video is not evidence if it in the slightest.

    •  You really don't get it. The woman did nothing (4+ / 0-)

      wrong.  What is some guy shoved his leg up your backside?  In an arrest foe what is not even a crime, and which calls for the issuance of a summons.

      Patriotism may be the last refuge of scoundrels, but religion is assuredly the first.

      by StrayCat on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 09:00:11 AM PDT

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      •  I'm sorry but it's you who doesn't get it (3+ / 0-)
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        There is nothing in the video to indicate she did nothing wrong. All the video shows is a woman being incredibly uncooperative with police and eventually trying to kick one. You, and others, are making assumptions about what happened prior to the video.

        When we act like this we become no different than wing nuts - deciding what government action is legitimate without evidence or any investigation.

        This site is increasingly becoming reactionary and attacking the legitimacy of action rather than its correctness. It is an extremely disturbing trend.

  •  These are fucking cowards, I don't care what (10+ / 0-)

    anybody says.  This is not freedom when you can be crossing the street and end up in a situation like this because some stupid cop wants to pull a power trip.  No.  The world should not work that way.  I'll keep calling them cowards until they stop being cowards.

    "Fragmented and confused, we have no plan to combat any of this, but are looking to be saved by the very architects of our ruination."

    by BigAlinWashSt on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 08:00:05 AM PDT

    •  Now that I think about it, back in high school (9+ / 0-)

      I had a friend who was stopped for jaywalking. She was issued a ticket -- stopped and issued a ticket, as people are for speeding or running stop signs. No arrest; no cuffing. There's no need to arrest, cuff, manhandle, hurl to the ground, etc., people who are jaywalking.  That's nuts.  Why arrest for jaywalking?  The problem can be handled in ways that do not involve assaulting people.

      "On their backs were vermiculate patterns that were maps of the world in its becoming. Maps...of a thing which could not be put back. Not be made right again."

      by middleagedhousewife on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 08:25:47 AM PDT

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      •  Exactly, no need for that at all. The ASU (6+ / 0-)

        authorities didn't find anything inappropriate with the cops behavior.  They need to think again.  The entire approach to this type of "crime" is inappropriate.  It just goes along with the extremes we've seen in law enforcement over the years, particularly the last 15 or so.  
        It's all in the training and culture.
        Check out the difference.

        "Fragmented and confused, we have no plan to combat any of this, but are looking to be saved by the very architects of our ruination."

        by BigAlinWashSt on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 08:32:27 AM PDT

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      •  But you had to show your license, (0+ / 0-)

        registration, and proof of insurance. Even to write a jaywalking ticket you need an ID to be certain the person will show up in court or pay the fine.

        "let's talk about that" uid 92953

        by VClib on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 11:41:07 PM PDT

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        •  My friend in high school didn't have a driver's (1+ / 0-)
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          license, and our school didn't create student IDs. That made it a pain in the neck to get student bus passes and student discount movie tickets, but it was no hindrance to getting a jaywalking ticket.  She didn't have to do anything but state her name and address, get yelled at for a bit, take the ticket and have her mom help her deal with it.  That was in the late 70s.  We didn't used to need IDs for walking around.

          "On their backs were vermiculate patterns that were maps of the world in its becoming. Maps...of a thing which could not be put back. Not be made right again."

          by middleagedhousewife on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 07:56:10 AM PDT

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  •  Guilty of Walking While Black, no doubt about it. (9+ / 0-)

    Were it not for the officers knowing there was a video camera running, what would have happened instead?

    I am an ASU graduate and outraged to see how violent the officer was.  This is NOT acceptable anywhere.

  •  Not only is this outrageous (3+ / 0-)
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    but the practice of profiling and harassing brown people is why our justice system is so skewed. Imagine if they locked up random whites instead of blacks. The prisons would be full of white folks, and the statistics would show that whites are more likely to commit crimes.

    Basically, what we have is a phoney story of our society, told by a bigoted and racist police state.

    A true craftsman will meticulously construct the apparatus of his own demise.

    by onionjim on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 08:37:13 AM PDT

  •  Yeah, whatever happened to Andy Griffith? (1+ / 0-)
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    PRESENT Shock When everything happens NOW

    by Portia Elm on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 09:14:37 AM PDT

    •  Andy Taylor was PROPAGANDA. (2+ / 0-)
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      You do know that while people watched and laughed over peaceful, pastoral, utopian - 100% white - Mayberry, SC, real NC small towns were erupting in KKK violence against black civil rights marchers and voters. With those loveable old southern sheriffs and gawky deputies swinging the batons and unleashing the dogs right alongside the rest of the bullet-headed white thugs.

      “[Sir Arthur Conan Doyle] created Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Watson - which proves he was way ahead of his time on gay marriage.” - Bill Maher

      by gardnerhill on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 03:22:17 PM PDT

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      •  Ok, please calm down. (0+ / 0-)

        I know what you say is true.  But if you look at it the way I do, that show was holding up a mirror to what was going on.  Not distracting from or condoning it.

        PRESENT Shock When everything happens NOW

        by Portia Elm on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 03:27:36 PM PDT

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  •  Arizona ... "Papers Please" (1+ / 0-)
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    "I think that gay marriage is something that should be between a man and a woman.” - Arnold Schwarzenegger 2003

    by kerplunk on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 09:19:00 AM PDT

  •  "resisting arrest" = She sassed me back! (3+ / 0-)
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    "The end of democracy and the defeat of the American Revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of lending institutions and moneyed incorporations." ~ Thomas Jefferson

    by Lefty Coaster on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 09:32:21 AM PDT

  •  The officer should not have stopped her, but (5+ / 0-)

    IMHO she should give the the officer her ID when requested and should not have resisted arrest.  She could have filed a complaint later about the officer.

    •  I agree she should have shown ID. (0+ / 0-)

      I think the cop singled Professor Ore and was probably trying to stir shit up. She could have brought a challenge to the Papers Please law, but her reactions (totally understandable under the circumstances) make that unlikely.

      28 ~ AZ-01 ~ Flagstaff, Arizona

      by Fox Ringo on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 10:46:56 AM PDT

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    •  It's arguable about whether she was resisting... (2+ / 0-)
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      arrest. He never said that to her and she thought she was in the arguing phase. Buzzcut McTestosterone dialed it up to "11" pretty quickly.

      No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible.

      by Magster on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 11:27:07 AM PDT

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  •  Yeah, she shouldn't have jaywalked or ... (1+ / 0-)
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    not shown her ID. But a police officer's job is to protect the public safety and she was no threat to anyone. An officer's job is to de-escalate a situation and use force only when necessary. The overreaction is borne solely by a black woman who committed the crime of disagreeing, and fuckwad couldn't handle it so he threw her to the ground.

    Being a patient cop is not unprecedented....

    https://www.youtube.com/...

    No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible.

    by Magster on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 11:15:36 AM PDT

  •  Thanks again, JoanMar. I am sorry this keeps (1+ / 0-)
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    happening. The policeman ... outrageous ... sigh ... nothing new to say.

    I hope you are doing great. Thanks for bringing us another important diary. I hope you continue to rise and do not let this crap get you down.

    { { { {  JoanMar  } } } }

    2thanks

    PS - Republished to White Privilege Working Group.

    •  Thank you 2thanks. (1+ / 0-)
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      We get discouraged for a minute, and then you  get right up fighting again.
      Hope you are having a wonderful day, 2t.  :)

      Maya Angelou: “There's a world of difference between truth and facts. Facts can obscure truth.”

      by JoanMar on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 01:51:19 PM PDT

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  •  it was not city police, it was ASU campus police (3+ / 0-)
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    and a petition is being circulated to demand a complete investigation by the university.

    "Kossacks are held to a higher standard. Like Hebrew National hot dogs." - blueaardvark

    by louisev on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 12:37:43 PM PDT

    •  Query me this... (1+ / 0-)
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      If it was campus cops, what the hell were they doing on Mill St.?  isn't that just out of their jurisdiction?

      ... the watchword of true patriotism: "Our country - when right to be kept right; when wrong to be put right." - Carl Schurz; Oct. 17, 1899

      by NevDem on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 02:15:09 PM PDT

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  •  Why is she resisting arrest? (2+ / 0-)
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    She's not doing herself any favours.  When you're arrested, even if you think it's unjust, you're not doing yourself any favours by behaving in this way.

    The police may have acted inappropriately in their initial contact with the professor, I don't know. But I don't see this tape as exculpatory towards her.  If anything, I see a cop who continues to try to reason with her, and tries to give her multiple chances before he takes it to the next level.

    Again, the initial stop by the police may have been unreasonable, and those facts should come out.  But that doesn't mean she was smart in the way she handled the rest of the encounter.

    Dammit Jim, I'm a lawyer, not a grammarian. So sue me.

    by Pi Li on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 01:42:38 PM PDT

    •  Of course. (1+ / 0-)
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      Thanks for your very smart input, Pi Li.
      It is just what I expected from you.

      Maya Angelou: “There's a world of difference between truth and facts. Facts can obscure truth.”

      by JoanMar on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 01:52:27 PM PDT

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      •  I don't know Pi Li, never heard of that person. (3+ / 0-)
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        But they're exactly right.  

        And if you think that this woman was right to resist arrest, well, you're wrong.  She has no power in that situation.  She's got power in a court of law, but not at that moment during the arrest.

        Dallasdoc: "Snowden is the natural successor to Osama bin Laden as the most consequential person in the world, as his actions have the potential to undo those taken in response to Osama."

        by gooderservice on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 04:18:49 PM PDT

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        •  Pi Li was a zealous defender of Zimmerman's. (0+ / 0-)

          Nice company you keep, GS.
          As for you thinking that one should meekly submit to unlawful, discriminatory actions directed against them, well, let's just say that I'm not surprised. You are frequently on the wrong side of issues having to do with race. (though I give you credit for your advocacy on behalf of Trayvon.)

          Maya Angelou: “There's a world of difference between truth and facts. Facts can obscure truth.”

          by JoanMar on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 04:26:32 PM PDT

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          •  Please stop lying (1+ / 0-)
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            I never defended George Zimmerman.  Not a single time.

            If you can find a link to a comment where I defended him, or excused his behaviour,  please provide it.  If I was as "zealous" as you claim,  this should be no problem.

            Otherwise,  stop making things up joanmar.

            Dammit Jim, I'm a lawyer, not a grammarian. So sue me.

            by Pi Li on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 05:18:23 PM PDT

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            •  Lol!! Suffering from amnesia, are we? (0+ / 0-)

              Don't blame you. I would quickly develop just such a case too if sought to explain away the guilt of a man who killed an innocent, unarmed kid.
              Who me? Nuh uh! I knew not the man! lol!

              Maya Angelou: “There's a world of difference between truth and facts. Facts can obscure truth.”

              by JoanMar on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 05:35:15 PM PDT

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              •  Once again, link please (0+ / 0-)

                Dammit Jim, I'm a lawyer, not a grammarian. So sue me.

                by Pi Li on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 05:45:22 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  Chile please! That shit won't fly with me. (0+ / 0-)

                  Maya Angelou: “There's a world of difference between truth and facts. Facts can obscure truth.”

                  by JoanMar on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 05:54:15 PM PDT

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                  •  That's what I thought :) (0+ / 0-)

                    Dammit Jim, I'm a lawyer, not a grammarian. So sue me.

                    by Pi Li on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 05:54:51 PM PDT

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                    •  You are dishonorable, and I despise (0+ / 0-)

                      people like you. Defending the killer over the the innocent victim is one thing; denying your actions to cover your shame is another.
                      What, do you really think that we'd forget?

                      Maya Angelou: “There's a world of difference between truth and facts. Facts can obscure truth.”

                      by JoanMar on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 05:58:13 PM PDT

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                      •  Link please...a SINGLE comment (1+ / 0-)
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                        You made an accusation, that you can't back up.

                        I think it's pretty obvious who is behaving dishonourably.

                        Dammit Jim, I'm a lawyer, not a grammarian. So sue me.

                        by Pi Li on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 06:04:37 PM PDT

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                        •  What were your views on the murder of (0+ / 0-)

                          Trayvon Martin?
                          What were your views on the acquittal of his killer?

                          Maya Angelou: “There's a world of difference between truth and facts. Facts can obscure truth.”

                          by JoanMar on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 06:22:44 PM PDT

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                          •  Please provide a link. (0+ / 0-)

                            I'd be interested in reading it.  However, whatever was said in that case has no relevance in this case.

                            Dallasdoc: "Snowden is the natural successor to Osama bin Laden as the most consequential person in the world, as his actions have the potential to undo those taken in response to Osama."

                            by gooderservice on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 07:39:28 PM PDT

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                •  This post (1+ / 0-)
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                  http://www.dailykos.com/...

                  followed in the same thread by this post:

                  http://www.dailykos.com/...

                  Both of them, to some degree, accept speculation about Martin's possible actions as fact and dismiss facts regarding what Zimmerman's actions were by saying we weren't there so there is no way to know if Zimmerman's actions were not justified.

                  Interestingly, when one looks at the  people in agreement with you on them, they are also here arguing on behalf of the ASU campus police... and it would not take a whole lot of effort to see similar responses as in this diary by these same people in others that discuss the juxtaposition of  authority and race and/or gender.

                  Fear doesn't just breed incomprehension. It also breeds a spiteful, resentful hate of anyone and everyone who is in any way different from you.

                  by awesumtenor on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 01:18:50 PM PDT

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                  •  It's a well perfected ploy, awesumtenor. (0+ / 0-)

                    I wasn't going to play their link game. We know, and they know, that they were zealous defenders of the murderer.
                    They were playing cute.

                    Maya Angelou: “There's a world of difference between truth and facts. Facts can obscure truth.”

                    by JoanMar on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 07:33:15 PM PDT

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                    •  Yeah, I know (2+ / 0-)
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                      the moment the  indignation was whipped out that pretty much nailed it... I played along because there are people who weren't here for that particular episode...

                      Fear doesn't just breed incomprehension. It also breeds a spiteful, resentful hate of anyone and everyone who is in any way different from you.

                      by awesumtenor on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 08:56:23 PM PDT

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          •  Joan - Pi Li a former prosecutor, never defended (1+ / 0-)
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            Zimmerman.

            What she and I, and a handful of other lawyers here tried to remind people from the outset was that Zimmerman had all the same rights, including the presumption of innocence of the crime of murder, as any other defendant and that the State of Florida had a very weak case. As it turned out we were right.

            Zimmerman is a creep. I don't know anyone at DKOS, and I followed the diaries about the trial closely, who defended him.

            "let's talk about that" uid 92953

            by VClib on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 07:09:04 PM PDT

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          •  I don't care what Pi Li said before in their (0+ / 0-)

            life.

            Nice company you keep, GS.
            No one, no matter who they are and how right they think are will never win on site when a cop wants to arrest them.  I'm sure you know that.  

            You fight in court -- you don't fight when a cop tells you what to do no matter how wrong they are.  It's just the way it is.  I'm sure you know that.

            Dallasdoc: "Snowden is the natural successor to Osama bin Laden as the most consequential person in the world, as his actions have the potential to undo those taken in response to Osama."

            by gooderservice on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 07:38:13 PM PDT

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            •  Save your advice for people who give (1+ / 0-)
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              a fuck about your opinion.
              Until you have walked in our shoes, and suffer the indignities we have, then you can dish out advice.
              Go talk to the white guy who profiled and brutalized an innocent woman going about her business.

              Maya Angelou: “There's a world of difference between truth and facts. Facts can obscure truth.”

              by JoanMar on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 08:02:10 PM PDT

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        •  gooderservice - Pi Li never defended Zimmerman (2+ / 0-)
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          She and I and other lawyers would remind people of two things: Zimmerman had the same rights as all other criminal defendants and that the State of Florida had a weak case. Many people thought that was "defending Zimmerman". I read nearly every comment in all the Zimmerman diaries and I don't recall anyone defending Zimmerman.

          "let's talk about that" uid 92953

          by VClib on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 07:11:31 PM PDT

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          •  I think Zimmerman is a murderer. (2+ / 0-)
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            Plain and simple.  But I'm not a lawyer or prosecutor, but my thoughts are he should have just stayed in his damn car or SUV or whatever the hell he was driving.

            Dallasdoc: "Snowden is the natural successor to Osama bin Laden as the most consequential person in the world, as his actions have the potential to undo those taken in response to Osama."

            by gooderservice on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 07:41:47 PM PDT

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            •  Pi Li and I agree that Z should have stayed (1+ / 0-)
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              in his car. But he didn't and an innocent young man is dead. The State of Florida had no cohesive theory of the case that fit the evidence available and the defense had better lawyers and much better witnesses. The State had the burden of proof and a very weak case, under Florida law. Z was found not guilty. As some of us analyzed the case as it was progressing, and identified the significant challenges the State faced in this case, we were labeled Zimmerman defenders. Z is a reprehensible person, but he had all the same rights as any other defendant and the burden was on the State. They didn't prove their case. I think the State made numerous errors prosecuting the case and it's possible a different team could have gotten a guilty verdict, but probably for manslaughter (which has a 15 year sentence if a gun is used).

              I don't know why the Zimmerman case keeps showing up like a bad penny, but some people seem to be unwilling to stop the false accusations.

              "let's talk about that" uid 92953

              by VClib on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 08:37:11 PM PDT

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      •  It's advice from a lawyer, former prosecutor (2+ / 0-)
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        and law professor. It is actually very good advice.

        "let's talk about that" uid 92953

        by VClib on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 07:15:16 PM PDT

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    •  There's a huge amount of space (2+ / 0-)
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      between "being smart" when you deal with cops and not letting the police do whatever they want. If a cop tried to arrest me for jay walking I'd call it bullshit and an illegal arrest, which it is. I wouldn't get attacked like that most likely because I'm not black and I'm not a woman. If we give in to every illegal arrest that the police perpetrate then we let the police have more and more power over us.

      No War but Class War

      by AoT on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 01:54:50 PM PDT

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      •  It's pretty simple: (2+ / 0-)
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        You do what the cop tells you to do and keep your mouth shut.  And THEN you fight it out in court.   Everyone knows this, and if they don't know that, they should.  She or anyone else has no special standing when getting arrested.  The "standing" comes in court in front of a judge where both sides tell their stories.

        This woman did herself no favors by resisting arrest.  If she didn't resist, she wouldn't have been charged with that.

        She had absolutely no power at that moment.  The only power she had was to comply with the demands of the cop.  THEN later she can defend herself in court.

        Resisting arrest isn't a throwaway charge.  She resisted.  She was wrong.

        Was the cop wrong?  I don't know.  Because I only watched the video midway.  I went to the original site but was unable to watch the raw video from start to finish.

        Dallasdoc: "Snowden is the natural successor to Osama bin Laden as the most consequential person in the world, as his actions have the potential to undo those taken in response to Osama."

        by gooderservice on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 04:16:49 PM PDT

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      •  What does this even mean? (2+ / 0-)
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        If we give in to every illegal arrest that the police perpetrate then we let the police have more and more power over us.
        You HAVE TO DO what they tell you at that very moment.  Then fight the injustice in court.  

        It's that simple.  Is it right?  No.  But it is the way it is.

        Dallasdoc: "Snowden is the natural successor to Osama bin Laden as the most consequential person in the world, as his actions have the potential to undo those taken in response to Osama."

        by gooderservice on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 04:20:12 PM PDT

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        •  That comment means that we should not simply (1+ / 0-)
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          submit and then hope the court backs us up. When we refuse to exercise our rights then we lose our rights. I refuse to blame the people who resist illegal arrests.

          No War but Class War

          by AoT on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 05:23:14 PM PDT

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          •  It's not my intention to be mean, but we (0+ / 0-)

            HAVE NO POWER until we get in court.

            I refuse to blame the people who resist illegal arrests.
            I think people who resist illegal arrests are either ignorant or stupid.  

            Illegal arrests are made every day of the week.  Just shut your mouth, follow directions, and fight the good fight in front of a judge.  Mouthing out and resisting will not help, not ever.  

            Even if you are morally right by resisting and mouthing off, that means nothing.  

            Dallasdoc: "Snowden is the natural successor to Osama bin Laden as the most consequential person in the world, as his actions have the potential to undo those taken in response to Osama."

            by gooderservice on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 07:46:59 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

        •  A differing opinion (0+ / 0-)

          Fear doesn't just breed incomprehension. It also breeds a spiteful, resentful hate of anyone and everyone who is in any way different from you.

          by awesumtenor on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 01:30:58 PM PDT

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          •  Different times. (0+ / 0-)

            Dallasdoc: "Snowden is the natural successor to Osama bin Laden as the most consequential person in the world, as his actions have the potential to undo those taken in response to Osama."

            by gooderservice on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 01:40:30 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  King Solomon disagrees (0+ / 0-)

              as noted in the book of Ecclesiastes "There is nothing new under the sun"

              Acquiescence to injustice and oppression may be an acceptable response for you... but if it is, chances are you are either the oppressor or the bystander and rarely the oppressed...

              Fear doesn't just breed incomprehension. It also breeds a spiteful, resentful hate of anyone and everyone who is in any way different from you.

              by awesumtenor on Mon Jun 30, 2014 at 03:02:50 PM PDT

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    •  Exactly. (3+ / 0-)
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      When you're arrested, even if you think it's unjust, you're not doing yourself any favours by behaving in this way.
      Is it fair?  Hell no.  But life isn't fair.  

      Dallasdoc: "Snowden is the natural successor to Osama bin Laden as the most consequential person in the world, as his actions have the potential to undo those taken in response to Osama."

      by gooderservice on Sun Jun 29, 2014 at 04:17:25 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

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