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American citizens in Murrieta, CA, should be ashamed of themselves. Their lack of compassion for their fellow human beings is appalling.

The Mexican border is bursting at the seams from refugees coming from Central America for various reasons. Some reasons are economic. Some reasons include the escape from violence. The legalities of dealing with this type of refugee influx were established in 2002 and modified in 2008.

There is, however, a humanitarian side that supersedes legalities. The video of the angry mob that blocked the buses from temporarily housing women and children refugees as they are processed by Homeland Security is shameful. It displayed a lack of humanity that people across the world are now privy to.

Generally mobs like these typically love to promote themselves as Christian American patriots as they wrap themselves in the American flag. One wonders if they’ve forgotten Jesus’ teachings (Matthew 25:41-46.

Please read below the fold for more on this story.

41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, i‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

44 “Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Even more importantly, this mob seem to have forgotten America’s past history and America’s present actions. Before forcefully and angrily throwing immigrants out, they should remember that the many founders of this nation themselves were immigrants. They should remember as well that they came here as well to make a better life for themselves.

The big difference is that in the process of migrating to this land the "first" immigrants violently took the land and enslaved a people to profit from the land. The intrinsic benevolence of many fought to make this country not what it was but what it was to become, a more inclusive country attempting to widen democracy.

Many of those coming over from Central America are themselves victims of our policies. Americans prosper as raw resources and cheap labor are extracted from these countries and their people. They are aided by a Central American oligarchy and a band of degenerate thugs that are the conduits of the exploitation.

Those protesting immigrants would do well to learn some history.They should realize that they themselves are but pawns in a game most in the lower and middle classes are losing.

Originally posted to ProgressiveLiberal on Wed Jul 02, 2014 at 02:25 PM PDT.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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    •  I don't understand why they weren't arrested (16+ / 0-)

      for blocking the road?

      Just like the idiots that stopped traffic on the interstate in Nevada...

      A mind like a book, has to be open to function properly.

      by falconer520 on Wed Jul 02, 2014 at 02:47:32 PM PDT

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    •  And if Murrieta doesn't want the BP station... (5+ / 0-)

      close it! Lots of neighboring communities would be happy for the jobs.

      A mind like a book, has to be open to function properly.

      by falconer520 on Wed Jul 02, 2014 at 02:48:44 PM PDT

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    •  ♥Support Dreamers♥ (7+ / 0-)

      Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

      by rebel ga on Wed Jul 02, 2014 at 08:21:32 PM PDT

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    •  It's partly progressives' fault (6+ / 0-)

      The issue here is humane treatment of undocumented aliens while arranging for their deportation (as opposed to inhumane treatment) - something a vast majority implicitly supports.

      But progressives insist on mixing that with the position that the United States unilaterally become essentially the only nation on earth with no immigration controls.  This isn't a straw man distortion.  That position is held, I've been told so to my face by people who hold it, and seen expressed frequently.

      We had the irony of an Australian lecturing us on the terrible difficulty of the US immigration system in one of these comments sections, no long ago.  Try getting a right to live and work legally in Australia as an American.  Hard enough?  Now try doing it if you practice a profession that requires licensing, like a health care, financial, or legal profession.  

      Mexico has extremely strict immigration laws.  They seem to be more or less designed to keep out Central Americans, but they also apply to us.  Try getting a legal right to work in Mexico.  Go ahead, try it.  A decent number of people coming across the US border may be doing so simply because Mexico has such strict immigration laws.  Mexico has a tragically high crime rate in some areas, but life in Mexico overall is not so bad.  Check out quality of life statistics for Mexico.  By global standards they're unequivocally a prosperous country, and one that, despite the crime horror that our drug prohibition inflicts on them, is moving forward.   And their main native language is Spanish.  It's highly plausible that people from slightly further south keep moving north because of Mexican immigration controls, not because the US is so great.

      The poem on the Statue of Liberty was written in a world with virtually no immigration controls, but that world is gone.  

      Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see every nation on earth free and equally prosperous, and much freer movement across borders, in some future.  But right now, that isn't the way it works.  As an American, other nations have systems in place to sharply control your ability to legally work in them.

      This has nothing to do with ethnic bias.  I'm biased - I think recent Latin American immigrants are hard working, law abiding, productive residents, who created thriving communities in formerly crime-ridden areas.  I'm biased in favor of them.   I also strongly sympathize with undocumented workers whose only goal is to work their butts off and live frugally, to help their families.  (I sympathize but those who hire undocumented aliens by definition drive down American wages.  Supply and demand.  The workers should be treated humanely but the employers should face significant consequences.)

      But as long as progressives advance the naive idea that Americans, uniquely, should have no control whatsoever over who can immigrate into our own country, while everyone else on Earth can and does sharply control American ability to leave the United States, there will be confusion, and undocumented aliens, and immigrants who came here legally, will suffer as a result.

      •  A well thought out comment! (1+ / 0-)
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        There is a progressive position that favors lower immigration for the benefit of the U.S. worker.

        http://www.progressivesforimmigrationreform.org/ is one site that explains the position very well.

        The Democratic party is supposed to be the party of the labor movement.  We should not be favoring policies that drive down the value of each worker.

      •  Why do you blame Progressives? (5+ / 0-)

        I don't know where you get the idea that Progressives think that the government should have no control whatsoever as to who can immigrate into our country.
        Who told you that?  Fox News?  Rush Limbaugh?  Glenn Beck?
        Its the same old extreme far end of the other side of the scale that Rightwingers always try to scare people with.
        I agree with you that the onus of responsibility lies mostly with employers-- but when you start throwing "Progressives" into some drastic and extreme belief that NO ONE has asserted, it is then that I must wave you aside for your obvious lack of research and understanding.    

      •  I was caught working illegally in Mexico (5+ / 0-)

        Their immigration service had me wait in a garden by their office for an hour or two until they decided to change my visa so I just had two weeks left on it. They were polite the whole time. My experience there was that food was very inexpensive but a lot of things that come from factories were pretty much unfordable for a lot of the people. Their middle class doesn't encompass as large of a portion of  the people as it does here. I knew another American who was injured in an accident there, and his medical treatment was free.  As hospitable as the people were in Mexico, it is embarrassing to see Americans act like the Fox News viewers do in Murrieta.

        •  That was nice of them (1+ / 0-)
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          You'd probably be treated quite nicely on your deported way out of Canada, too.  And actually plenty of deported people are treated nicely on the way out by American officials.

          My comment noted that Mexico is overall actually a fairly nice country by global standards.  Their main current problem is actually crime fueled exclusively by our asinine "war on drugs".

          As I said, I'm in favor of deporting people nicely and humanely.  Glad to hear that Mexico did it that way to you.  I hope they treat poor people down around the Guatemalan border the same way.  

          •  The last time I tried to visit Canada (1+ / 0-)
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            I was treated so rudely by an immigration official that I left when they let me go. When she said we were cleared to enter Canada I told her we'll go back and spend our money in the states instead. But she was just one person and I'm sure she wasn't representative of most Canadians. I haven't tried to go back since then though. As far as the Murrieta situation, the racism involved reflects poorly on our whole country. And it certainly doesn't encourage legal tourism. I also think our media has done a terrible job of finding out what is going on with this latest influx, and the issue in general. They either feed us pro immigrant propaganda or anti immigrant propaganda. They report whichever rumors support their position and don't bother to find out the facts.

      •  I actually know a number of people (0+ / 0-)

        with work visas in Mexico and it was a simple straight-forward process.  

        You have to study the rules, then find a way that you can fit into those rules.  Several of these people I know are not all that bright, but they did learn the process and follow it.  

        A Mexican immigration attorney service can handle almost all of it for you and very affordably.

        That said, you do have to have a workable plan, not some half-axx "I wanna work" and no business plan.

        "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

        by YucatanMan on Sat Jul 05, 2014 at 11:39:35 AM PDT

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        •  So it's exactly like the US (2+ / 0-)
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          And the process you describe would work perfectly for a Mexican who wants to immigrate legally to the US, as well.

          I don't see an argument for giving up all ability of the US to regulate who immigrates here in your comment.

          •  Actually, it is much easier to get a work visa (0+ / 0-)

            in Mexico than out is in the USA. The US system is vastly more complex. Even immigration lawyers struggle to penetrate the Byzantine labyrinth of overlapping and contradictory laws.

            If a US company wants you (and does all the visa work for you) that's one thing. But just getting a work visa on your own in the USA is almost impossible.

            "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

            by YucatanMan on Sat Jul 05, 2014 at 11:17:33 PM PDT

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      •  Mind if I share your comment on my FB page? You... (0+ / 0-)

        Mind if I share your comment on my FB page? You're dead on correct.

  •  The United States of America (14+ / 0-)

    was founded for the people, by the people and of the people.  We are guaranteed the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.  Our government was formed to try to be a more perfect union.  And the founders of our country, while spiritual, did not really hold to any one dominate religious belief and wrote that our country should be a place where the politics is secular and governmental apparati are free from the influence of religious zealots.

    Everyone forgets the reason for this country was to be accepting of immigrants.  Even the poem, "The New Colossus," written by Emma Lazarus and placed on the Statue of Liberty for all to see and remember epitomizes this important part of what it means to live in the United States of America.  For those of you who are not familiar with the Statue of Liberty or the poem, here it is:

    "Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
    With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
    Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
    A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
    Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
    Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
    Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
    The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
    "Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
    With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

    I am Alaska Native . . . ask me about this whole "illegal immigration" issue and I'll give you the history of the Americas from pre-Columbian times to the present incarnation.  Everyone comes from somewhere.  It's just that so many people forget from whence they came.

    •  aristocracy (2+ / 0-)
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      Right now the conservatism that is in effect is the conservatism that says because my parent was wealthy, I deserve to be wealthy and you don't.  The US innovation is that some poor people get become wealthy, but not at the expense of the wealthy.  Part of that wealth is US citizenship.  So everyone is going around saying I am educated, so my kids should have a priority for education.  I am a US citizen, so I deserve a job before someone who is not a citizen. No one would ever assert that if a rich kids is lazy, then somehow if he is not well taken care with a trust fund because inheritance tax removes the wealth, that is a travesty of justice.

      It is instructive to remember that GW Bush was pretty pro immigration, The Perry at one time was laughed at because he thought all kids who lived in Texas should get in state tuition and even financial aid.  The even alleged progressives outside of Texas were less pro immigration than these two conservatives. Now this entitled conservatism has infected Texas, and all of the sudden Texas is as anti-immigration as most the country. This is sad.

      She was a fool, and so am I, and so is anyone who thinks he sees what God is doing. -Kurt Vonnegut Life is serious but we don't have to be - me

      by lowt on Fri Jul 04, 2014 at 09:54:54 PM PDT

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    •  The U.S. accepts over one million immigrants (0+ / 0-)

      every year, even though the labor market cannot support more workers.

  •  Two forces (10+ / 0-)

    There are two forces bringing the desperately poor to the USA (and the EU by the way).

    The one the Right emphasize is how attractive the USA is for those seeking to immigrate - the "pull" if you like.

    The one they hardly ever mention is the "push" from lack of any prospects of advance or even decent basic living in their homelands. Overseas development aid is the tool to reduce the push. The EU recognizes this with its "Neighbourhood" policies which have combinations of aid and tariff preferences with the aim that the countries in North Africa and far eastern Europe become "soft walls" to illegal immigration.

    Sometimes these become overwhelmed. Political and economic disruptions inevitably increase the "push" and addressing inequalities in the countries in the regions from which these refugees are coming is, as you rightly point out, another tool in tackling the problem.

    "Come to Sochi, visit the gay clubs and play with the bears" - NOT a Russian advertising slogan.

    by Lib Dem FoP on Wed Jul 02, 2014 at 02:41:29 PM PDT

    •  Then That Would Make 3 Forces (2+ / 0-)
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      Gwennedd, NancyWH

      Employers or agents on their behalf import illegal immigrants also; I know of one such situation in a northern state where they're being flown in from a non western continent. I figure anything I know about is happening more than that one instance.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Wed Jul 02, 2014 at 04:23:31 PM PDT

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    •  And then there is the desire to stay alive (1+ / 0-)
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      Many of the unaccompanied minors crossing the border fled because they were in grave danger of being attacked, raped, or murdered by vicious criminal gangs. The goal of these young people is not to seek better employment in the United States: it is to avoid being murdered.

      Honduras is the murder capital of the world. Guatemala and El Salvador are about fourth and fifth.

      The Americas took over from Africa as the most violent region of the world in 2012.

      •  Not true. Even in Honduras, there is a 99% (0+ / 0-)

        chance you will not be murdered.

        Do your own calculation of the murder rate.

        •  So what you are saying is... (0+ / 0-)

          Out of every 100 people you know, one will be murdered?  That doesn't strike you as a high number?

          Tell me, what is it you plan to do with your one wild and precious life? - Mary Oliver, "The Summer Day"

          by Rico on Sat Jul 05, 2014 at 11:45:15 AM PDT

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        •  Stop with the generalized bullshit. (0+ / 0-)

          A child whose home is in gang territory, with imminent forced gang membership or rape, is not relatable to a generalized statistic.

          I talk with two good friends living in Honduras regularly and everything is just as bad as can be imagined.  On the surface, it looks like daily life goes on, but if you know the circumstances people are living with, it is entirely a different picture.

          Individual circumstances are important. It's entirely possible to drown in a river with an average depth of three inches.  

          "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

          by YucatanMan on Sat Jul 05, 2014 at 11:49:12 AM PDT

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        •  Seeking asylum (2+ / 0-)
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          Let's put the number in context. Honduras is the murder capital of the world: 90 homicides per 100,000 every year. In San Pedro Sula, Honduras, the rate is 169 homicides per 100,000, three a day. A rate of 90 per 100,000 in my town would mean that, just in my immediate neighborhood, we would see at least one teenager murdered every year, and many more assaulted or raped.

          Unaccompanied minors seeking asylum will not be granted that status simply because they come from a place with high crime rates. It is not so much whether you are in danger of being killed because of high rates of violence, but: does the bullet have your name on it?

          Many of these unaccompanied minors do have a case for asylum because they have been targeted by criminal gangs, which include drug cartels that were pushed out of Mexico and set up shop in Central America. In some areas, gangs control local government and the police.

          One teenager fled his homeland after he was told that if he went to school that day, he wouldn't come home alive. He believed it: he knew other students who had been murdered by the same people threatening him.

          These gangs are recruiting young people in the same way that armed groups in Africa (and elsewhere) recruit child soldiers. Fight for us, kill for us, or we kill you and yours.

          •  In my city, I personally (0+ / 0-)

            interacted with at least five people who have been murdered over the last ten years. Convenience store workers are regularly killed in the U.S.

            If the strongest and youngest people of the country run away, it makes it worse for those who stay. The people should demand protection from their government while they are there.

        •  We owe Guatemala (0+ / 0-)

          We destroyed its government.

          We should take the kids who are coming right now, and consider taking even more.

  •  thank you for the diary! (7+ / 0-)

    you beat me to it!  Just as well, I don't think  i could have written one as we ll as this.  I too was very ashamed .  If only these protestors were as outraged at bankers corporations and wall street...you know the people who make our lives much more miserable  than a few undocumented women and children!

    " We're all here for a spell, get all the good laughs you can."................Will Rogers

    by tvdude on Wed Jul 02, 2014 at 03:01:13 PM PDT

  •  They are not legal immigrants (4+ / 0-)

    Why should they get to the head of the line?  

    Who is going to pay for their social services?  Tell me why a poor child in Detroit or Appalachia should face cut backs in social services because our budget gets busted with people who have no right to be here.  

    We have obligations to American citizens which we are not fulfilling and we have no obligation to people who are not here legally.  

    To govern is to choose and we need to focus on the needs of American citizens.  

    •  Besides the obvious humanitarian considerations... (16+ / 0-)

      If your concern is simply about how do we pay for their social services, I've got an easy answer.  Cut out one useless F whatever bomber that the military doesn't need and we can pay for it in a snap.  How about ending the missile defense shield program that's cost around $40 billion so far and they've only been able to have a 50% success rate.  And that's with full knowledge of when the missiles are launched and their trajectory etc.  I think your outrage is a little misplaced.  These are children and human beings and not at all deserving of our fellow American's ugliness.  Sheesh.

      "Man's main task in life is to give birth to himself; to become what he potentially is." -Erich Fromm

      by nspguy on Wed Jul 02, 2014 at 03:18:28 PM PDT

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      •  Also, (11+ / 0-)

        close some of the tax loopholes that tax capital at a lower rate than labor . . . perhaps also raise the taxable income for Social Security to include all the income for the top 1%-ers . . . and, I'm just spit-balling here, maybe re-instate the Glass-Steagall Act?

        I can think of a myriad of other ways to rein in this runaway corporatist train on it's way to Total Fascism, but those are just the first few steps we can take . . .

      •  And, as the diarist wrote (10+ / 0-)
        Many of those coming over from Central America are themselves victims of our policies. Americans prosper as raw resources and cheap labor are extracted from these countries and their people.
        Our hands are not clean.
      •  We can cut those defense programs (2+ / 0-)
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        and use the money to defend our own borders.

        I'm not going to go into an old white lady rant, well maybe I am, but lets just say not all of us have had entirely pleasant experiences with this immigration.  They start out believing no laws apply to them and unfortunately that doesn't stop at the border.  If they aren't going to obey one law, why should they obey any law they can get away with breaking? And it's not just Hispanics, it's Russians and whatever.  I'm fed up with it and the US government has to get control of it and stop being overwhelmed by it.

        If people think this is a great issue for Democrats, I think they may be surprised.

        What you are seeing in CA is people fed up with being overwhelmed with an uncontrolled border.  Yeah, too bad for the babies, I get it, but it has to STOP.  

        •  whether it's a "great issue" (6+ / 0-)

          for Democrats, I don't know, but it's one of the core reasons I'm a Democrat.

          Gondwana has always been at war with Laurasia.

          by AaronInSanDiego on Wed Jul 02, 2014 at 05:23:00 PM PDT

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          •  Democrats do not agree on this issue. (0+ / 0-)

            http://www.progressivesforimmigrationreform.org/ is a progressive site with valid arguments to limit or reduce immigration.

            •  there are always people who disagree (0+ / 0-)

              on any issue within both parties. Republicans are divided on immigration well. But I've always felt openness to immigration was a core Democratic liberal value. It's one off the issues I feel most strongly about. I will do what I can to keep the Democratic party from being an anti-immigration party.

              Gondwana has always been at war with Laurasia.

              by AaronInSanDiego on Sat Jul 05, 2014 at 07:54:41 PM PDT

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              •  Immigration is not a core democratic (0+ / 0-)

                principle.

                The Democratic party is the party of Labor and high levels of immigration lowers the value of labor.

                •  I disagree. (0+ / 0-)

                  Not with the Democratic Party being the party of labor, but the rest.

                  Gondwana has always been at war with Laurasia.

                  by AaronInSanDiego on Sun Jul 06, 2014 at 06:49:07 AM PDT

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                  •  Let me explain. If an employer advertises (0+ / 0-)

                    one job at $9.00 per hour and two hundred people show up,  he will not have to raise the salary to attract workers as he would have to if nobody shows up.

                    I am surprised that you do not understand the universal concept of supply and demand.

                    DO you know what the unemployment rate means? It means there are more workers than jobs available.  How hard is it to understand that adding more workers reduces the value(salary) each worker can command?

                    Immigration adds workers, not jobs. More immigration adds more workers.

                    •  more workers means (0+ / 0-)

                      more demand for goods and services as well as more supply of labor. Demand for goods and services ads jobs.

                      Gondwana has always been at war with Laurasia.

                      by AaronInSanDiego on Mon Jul 07, 2014 at 06:37:57 AM PDT

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                      •  Not any more. Technology actually means (0+ / 0-)

                        fewer and fewer people are needed. Just look at the supermarket where 6 cashiers are replaced by checkout machines.

                        Besides, if more people ment more jobs, then there would be no such thing as an unemployment rate.

                        •  more workers doesn't mean more jobs (0+ / 0-)

                          or fewer jobs. There aren't a fixed number of jobs, and an increase in workers doesn't automatically mean higher unemployment. There are a number of factors involved.

                          Gondwana has always been at war with Laurasia.

                          by AaronInSanDiego on Mon Jul 07, 2014 at 04:43:28 PM PDT

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                          •  More workers means more workers (0+ / 0-)

                            competing for the same jobs. Supply and demand.

                          •  workers are also consumers. (0+ / 0-)

                            One argument people use for raising the minimum wage is that our increases the amount the worker can spend, which increases demand, which helps keep jobs from being cut. Doesn't that also hold true, to some degree, when additional workers are added to the labor force? If not, why not?

                            Gondwana has always been at war with Laurasia.

                            by AaronInSanDiego on Mon Jul 07, 2014 at 05:58:02 PM PDT

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                          •  If there are 200 workers and 100 jobs (0+ / 0-)

                            Where are the additional consumers going to get money from to spend if they don't have a job.  You left out that little detail.

                            The purpose of raising the minimum wage is not to increase demand. It is to keep those working from living in poverty.  The minimum wage does nothing if you don't have a job.

                            Due to technology, fewer and fewer people are needed in every industry and field.

                            If more people meant more jobs, there would be no such thing as an unemployment rate.

                            If a shopkeeper posts a 'help wanted' sign because he needs one person, and ten people show up, does he have to hire all ten, or five? No, he only needs one, no matter how many show up.   The nine other people not hired are penniless consumers.

                          •  you're reiterating the same arguments (0+ / 0-)

                            while ignoring what I wrote, so I'm not going to continue this conversation.

                            Gondwana has always been at war with Laurasia.

                            by AaronInSanDiego on Tue Jul 08, 2014 at 07:10:42 AM PDT

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                    •  also, in a global economy, (0+ / 0-)

                      the total number of workers isn't changing. If the number of workers is reduced in the country those workers come from, the supply of labor goes down, and the value of labor there could go up, which may increase wages, purchasing power, and demand in that country. Of course it's more complicated than that, and there are a lot of other factors involved.

                      If the workers coming here don't have legal status, that will suppress their wages and create more of a burden on socialc services. I think it's better to have more legal immigration and less illegal immigration.

                      Gondwana has always been at war with Laurasia.

                      by AaronInSanDiego on Mon Jul 07, 2014 at 06:46:22 AM PDT

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            •  I'm not familiar with that group (0+ / 0-)

              but I'm familiar with SPLC, and I take them seriously.

              http://www.splcenter.org/...

              Gondwana has always been at war with Laurasia.

              by AaronInSanDiego on Sat Jul 05, 2014 at 08:00:24 PM PDT

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        •  This argument (5+ / 0-)

          has been used with every new wave of immigrants to this country throughout it's rather brief history as the United States of America.  If it wasn't about the Irish, then it was about the Italians, then the Chinese, then the Scandinavian types, then the Slavs . . . it was even used against those kidnapped from Africa forced into slavery all those decades ago.

          I shall repeat the poem located on the Statue of Liberty:

          "Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
          With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
          Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
          A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
          Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
          Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
          Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
          The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
          "Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
          With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
          Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
          The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
          Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
          I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

          (emphasis mine)

          Have we quite forgotten how this country was originally framed?  Have we forgotten that we are a country of immigrants?  Or, have we merely rewritten and whitewashed and straightened American history in to a farce of it's former self?

          There needs to be a re-evaluation and restructuring of our immigration policies, yes, most definitely.  But, do not blame immigrants for coming to this land of immigrants.

        •  what you're seeing is white racism in california (2+ / 0-)
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          imagine the immigrants in question were ukrainians...do you think we'd see the same reaction?

          btw, do you think these foaming at the mouth right-wingers give a shit about poor kids WITH citizenship?

        •  So your experience with bad behavior... (1+ / 0-)
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          ...expands to everyone else's experience with the undocumented?  

          Also, I don't know if you (or the people in Murrieta) understand, but the people being brought in were in the process of being DEPORTED.  I thought that's what you guys want...

          Tell me, what is it you plan to do with your one wild and precious life? - Mary Oliver, "The Summer Day"

          by Rico on Sat Jul 05, 2014 at 11:48:23 AM PDT

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    •  they are in the US (1+ / 0-)
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      they will be handled under the existing law, which is fairly harsh. No one else needs to be deprived for this to happen, there is already a massive budget in place for Homeland Security.

      What would have the gov't do with them? No, don't answer that.

      This Rover crossed over.. Willie Nelson, written by Dorothy Fields

      by Karl Rover on Wed Jul 02, 2014 at 03:46:58 PM PDT

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    •  Agree. I'm for the US retaining its (0+ / 0-)

      border with Mexico.

    •  What Line? (6+ / 0-)

      There's no single gate over at Ellis Island that lets in everybody one at a time no matter where or how from.

      Nothing says that people who arrive or have been here through abnormal mechanisms need displace or disrupt those who are in the legal immigration pipeline.

      We have 10 or 20 million noncitizen immigrants mostly from the south. That problem is at least as much the nation's fault as the individuals' especially those who arrived as kids. The nation can deal with that with an entirely separate problem from normal immigration.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Wed Jul 02, 2014 at 04:28:12 PM PDT

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    •  They are not immigrants at all... (7+ / 0-)

      ... they are refugees.

      Everything Right is Wrong Again - TMBG (lyrics)

      by GreenPA on Fri Jul 04, 2014 at 07:09:04 PM PDT

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    •  Property tax the churches . . . (nt) (2+ / 0-)
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      "The opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.”" -- Paul Dirac

      by Rikon Snow on Fri Jul 04, 2014 at 07:25:52 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Very good points. N/T (0+ / 0-)
    •  No obligations? How about international ones? (5+ / 0-)

      The United States ratified conventions on refugees and torture. No state can be forced to ratify a convention. Any state that does ratify a convention is expected to live up to its international obligations.

      The UNHCR has reported that close to 60% of the unaccompanied minors they have interviewed may be entitled to international protection, which means being granted asylum in the U.S. In the refugee convention, the U.S. has agreed not to return refugees to the state where they are in danger.

      Many of the unaccompanied minors who have fled their homelands did so because they were in imminent peril of violent attacks from vicious criminal gangs, even murder. Their home countries are unable or unwilling to protect them.

      One sixteen-year-old boy, Eric, fled El Salvador because corrupt police were repeatedly attacking him as a way to shake down his parents for money. He was denied asylum in the U.S. On his return to El Salvador, he was murdered.

      Another example: a twelve-year-old girl, Beatrice (Betty), fled because a gang member demanded that she become his girlfriend, or his gang would rape or kill her. She was granted asylum in the U.S. because the authorities at home were unable or unwilling to protect her.

      Drug cartels pushed out of Mexico have relocated in Central America. They "recruit" young people the same way that armed groups on other continents recruit child soldiers: join or we kill you; kill whoever we tell you to kill, or we will kill you. In short, they are compelling children to work for them as assassins.

      Like it or not, the United States ratified these conventions and it has obligations to protect refugees.

  •  Think about it. (3+ / 0-)
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    We stole their land and we don't want them anywhere near it.


    The religious fanatics didn't buy the republican party because it was virtuous, they bought it because it was for sale

    by nupstateny on Wed Jul 02, 2014 at 05:04:48 PM PDT

    •  "their land"? (0+ / 0-)

      Ever ask the Hopi, Navajo, Apache, etc about that? They were here before the Mexicans and Spanish.

      They kept trying to kill them if they wouldn't convert.

      •  Google (7+ / 0-)

        "mestizo."  South America was as populated as North America, before Columbus.

        "The light which puts out our sight is darkness to us." Thoreau

        by NancyWH on Wed Jul 02, 2014 at 05:25:17 PM PDT

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        •  Also, plenty of South American countries (1+ / 0-)
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          ...have majority Native American (Spanish: indegenes) populations, such as Peru & Bolivia.

          Between NAFTA & the ongoing (& Yanqui-sponsored) "friendly dictatorships" oppressing the people, we are now FAR beyond the time when the conditions just affected Hispanic (Spanish: criollo) populations.

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          by Brown Thrasher on Thu Jul 03, 2014 at 11:32:40 AM PDT

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      •  Yes, historically accurate, (1+ / 0-)
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        but, we did forcibly take the Southwestern states from Mexico in a little something called the Mexican American War . . . which might be why we have cities and towns called Santa Barbara, Los Angeles, El Paso and states called California, Nuevo Mexico (New Mexico), Arizona, Texas . . . These are not English words, but have become part of the English lexicon.

        The indigenous peoples of the Americas were the first immigrants (I am going to catch a lot of flak for that phrase, but we all came from somewhere, yes?), that goes without argument.  The First Nations' types even had ways of incorporating new immigrants into their societies and cultures. The First Nations' societies just had no way of dealing with the massive influx of immigrants and indigenous cultures were subsumed by these new peoples and cultures and languages.

  •  All I could think of (7+ / 0-)

    was the ship of Jewish refugees that were turned from every port, and eventually returned to Nazi Germany.  And I NEVER make Nazi analogies!

    "The light which puts out our sight is darkness to us." Thoreau

    by NancyWH on Wed Jul 02, 2014 at 05:10:03 PM PDT

    •  If the jackboot fits... (1+ / 0-)
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      Seriously, though; plenty of ugly historical analogies come to mind when peoples' NIMBY tendencies outweigh their generosity toward war refugees.

      Stop the FCC from killing the Internet! E-mail them. Call them. Tell the President & your congressmen to help save Internet freedom!

      by Brown Thrasher on Thu Jul 03, 2014 at 11:11:51 AM PDT

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    •  "None is too many" (1+ / 0-)
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      Canada refused to accept the Jewish refugees on the St. Louie. Canada had a particularly poor record of accepting Jewish refugees between 1933 and 1948, when William Lyon MacKenzie King was prime minister.

      It has been reported that an unidentified immigration agent was asked, in 1945, how many Jewish refugees Canada would accept after the war. He said: "None is too many."

  •  Not all people in Murrieta had the same opinion (1+ / 0-)
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    Daily Kos an oasis of truth. Truth that leads to action.

    by Shockwave on Wed Jul 02, 2014 at 05:39:59 PM PDT

  •  Immigration history aside, the United States (0+ / 0-)

    belongs to the people who live here.
        There is no right for people to enter the United States illegally and, though there may be religious or moral reasons to welcome illegal  immigrants, American citizens are under no obligation to do so.
       I'm personally indifferent to immigration. I have nothing against the folks coming here.
       But I'm retired. I'm not out there competing for a low skilled job during a depression.
       Face it, people who are already here are having a tough time. Many of them feel that they are being overrun and pushed aside in their own country.
        They are also outraged by the fact that US immigration laws are being ignored and that scarce resources are being diverted to serve the needs of people who entered the country illegally.
         And this is not an idiosyncratic view. These folks have managed to stop immigration reform dead in its tracks.
         If you want to influence these people, throwing pious Bible verses around and calling them "shameful" isn't going to cut it.

    •  And we all are doing what the corporations want (3+ / 0-)
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      ceebee7, OleHippieChick, YucatanMan

      fighting each other over helping the poor and immigrants, blaming each other for the problems, when we should be working together to do what has been said above:  cutting wasteful 'defense' spending, eliminating corporate welfare, changing the tax code to tax the wealthy at the same (I'd prefer a higher, progressive) rate and working to make the country work for more people.

  •  Ugly Americans. (0+ / 0-)

    "He went to Harvard, not Hogwarts." ~Wanda Sykes
    Teh Twitterz, I'z awn dem.
    Blessinz of teh Ceiling Cat be apwn yu, srsly.

    by OleHippieChick on Thu Jul 03, 2014 at 04:40:31 AM PDT

  •  this display makes me want to puke. i can't watch (6+ / 0-)

    it on the news, it really scares me to watch our country descend into this nativist nightmare.

  •  Oh, Egberto, when I heard that on the radio I (5+ / 0-)

    felt sick. Absolutely sick at my stomach.

    For shame! How could those people be so hateful? Can you imagine how forlorn and terrified the immigrants inside the bus felt?

    The injustice makes me burn. And there is nothing we can do about it! The Rethug Congress is immune to any feelings of humanity, so they're not going to solve the problem.

    "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

    by Diana in NoVa on Fri Jul 04, 2014 at 07:11:45 PM PDT

  •  If they were the border guards once upon a time... (4+ / 0-)

    If people like this had been guarding the Egyptian border when the little family of Mary, Joseph, and Jesus were fleeing from violence...they would have put an end to Christianity right then and there. "You are strangers," they would have said, "and we do not welcome you. Die at home."

    •  That's exactly what my parents' late pastor said (5+ / 0-)

      They belonged to a church in McAllen, TX, within a few miles of the border. He let homeless people, virtually all of them brown-skinned, sleep in a courtyard of the church, where they were protected from rain by an overhanging roof. And then in the morning, he let them use the church bathrooms before they were on their way.

      Some members of the church objected to this on the grounds that many of them were probably illegal aliens. He replied that he didn't doubt that, but that he was glad nobody was at the Egyptian border asking Joseph, Mary, and the infant Jesus for their papers when they had to flee their home.

      That man's living of the gospel, in that and many other ways, are the big reasons I started going to church again after an absence (other than for weddings, funterals, or when I was visiting my parents, for many years.

      Bin Laden is dead. GM and Chrysler are alive.

      by leevank on Fri Jul 04, 2014 at 07:38:43 PM PDT

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      •  Inspiring story (2+ / 0-)
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        It is inspiring to hear stories of people who really walk the talk of their faith. I can see why you would want to go to a church that has such a pastor in it.

        Some Christians appear to love everything about Christianity except the teachings of Jesus. And then there are the ones like your pastor, who really paid attention to what Jesus taught, and practice it themselves.

        •  Well, I didn't join THAT church, since I live ... (0+ / 0-)

          in Maryland, but I've since found two churches here (and there are a fair number of them just about everywhere if you look) who have pastors who have also been willing to stick their necks out on issues that some members of their congregations might not like.

          Bin Laden is dead. GM and Chrysler are alive.

          by leevank on Sat Jul 05, 2014 at 01:51:25 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  Murietta, you say? (5+ / 2-)

    Protesting Mexicans in a town named Murietta?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/...

    http://www.history.com/...

    http://www.youtube.com/...

    I think my irony meter broke.

  •  There is another diary up about the (4+ / 0-)

    CA 'militias' banding together with the Texas ones to 'protect the border'.

    This could get even more horrific fast.

    In our criminal justice system, a Republican is presumed innocent until the 2nd Coming. - Gooserock

    by ExpatGirl on Fri Jul 04, 2014 at 07:33:37 PM PDT

  •  Hating on Children; the lowest of the low. (3+ / 0-)

    The creatures participating in this bigotry and hate fest
    are only human enough to hate.  It's very sad.

  •  The quotes from Jesus directly and concretely d... (0+ / 0-)

    The quotes from Jesus directly and concretely dismiss these particular Christians from their sel-professed faith. I wonder if there is an avenue here to disprove the professed religions of corporations such as hobby lobby (think slave labor and investments in birth control products)

  •  Modern nativism a product of historical ignorance. (1+ / 0-)
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    Today's nativists, ironically enough, are operating mostly on an ignorance of historical American tradition. They expect "America" to look like it has within their lifetimes, and not how America traditionally looked.

    For those who grew up in the 1960's through the 1980's, the current influx of foreign-born person into the United States, documented and undocumented, seems abnormal and (for various reasons, economic and racial) "wrong". But the abnormal thing is the low levels of foreign-born Americans during the post-war period.

    We're getting back to normal. If nativists care about American tradition and what made America great, they might want to look beyond their own lifetimes and take a gander at the "golden age" they pine for, and the population demographics that helped create whatever it is they think America was...

    it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses

    by Addison on Fri Jul 04, 2014 at 07:48:59 PM PDT

  •  It reminds me of Grapes of Wrath (4+ / 0-)

    When the mob blocked people from entering their city.

    I am ashamed.

    ...the GOP seems perfectly willing to hold their breath until the whole country turns Blue.

    by tommy2tone on Fri Jul 04, 2014 at 07:51:52 PM PDT

  •  USA! USA! USA! (5+ / 0-)

    My wife made an observation a while back that I can't get over. She asked, "Why is it that when RWNJ chant USA USA, it sounds threatening instead of celabratory?"

    Why do Republicans hate the country so much that they take its name in vain?

  •  And Jesus said to his followers, 'When poor and (1+ / 0-)
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    YucatanMan

    frightened and hungry children cross your borders, gather together in crowds, block their way, and together chant, 'Go home, go home, go home!  Who will pay for you to be fed and given shelter?'

  •  pictures (2+ / 0-)
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    I'm interested in the individuals that I saw on the news clips. My late father was a portrait photographer who taught me how to look  at faces.
    I have always been interested in lynching postcards and like to look at the faces of the spectators. This deal in califas is closer to a lynching  than people know, wouldn't have taken much.
    Iff I was young and technical i would start a web site/web service where people could look at those old postcards and news clips like this and ID the people shown.
    "Hey- that guy was a friend of my dad's back in the 60s".
    I don't know if people would participate in it but it would feed my jones for portrait interpretation...just like this deal in Murietta has.
    Unhealthy obsession, I know. But somehow I am glad images like those are preserved.
    America is a hard country.

    I buy and sell well trained riding mules and American Mammoth Jack Stock.

    by old mule on Fri Jul 04, 2014 at 08:10:02 PM PDT

  •  This is the 75th year for Lutheran Immigration ... (0+ / 0-)

    This is the 75th year for Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Service http://lirs.org/

    which started helping refugees from WWII. Obviously, many were Lutherans fleeing from some European countries. Now this is a strong voice for helping refugees in many places. I just wanted to put in a plug for a Christian group which is trying to work within a framework of caring and love.

  •  If they were (0+ / 0-)

    they might get some support from the far-right. I realize being in danger of being raped and murdered does not compare to the immigrants the far-right has embraced such as the German  family who sought asylum so that they could home school their children instead of being forced to send them to a public or private school of their own choosing.

    I wonder if they even realize that most of the new immigrants are also followers of "jesus".

  •  Good Christians (0+ / 0-)

    These folks in Murrieta probably think they are "good Christians". They are far from it. They make me ashamed of my fellow Californians.

  •  And more of these fuckers are headed to (4+ / 0-)
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    OleHippieChick, drmah, askew, YucatanMan

    California and Texas WITH GUNS.

    I'm afraid that some poor child is going to get killed by these heartless people.

    "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Fri Jul 04, 2014 at 09:33:50 PM PDT

  •  Every single person in America -- (1+ / 0-)
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    unless he/she is a Native American, is either an immigrant or a descendant of immigrants.  Every one.

    I heard one of the protesters in the video say, "They weren't born here"...  Well, neither were YOUR parents, or grand-parents, or whatever generation of your ancestors first arrived in the U.S. as immigrants, jackass!

    So I'd like to ask the protesters if their parents, grand-parents, great grand-parents, or whatever were on those buses, would they still be protesting.

    This is blatant hypocrisy at its worst.

    How children dance to the unlived lives of their parents. Rilke

    by ceebee7 on Fri Jul 04, 2014 at 09:59:01 PM PDT

  •  Shame! (0+ / 0-)

    "the northern lights have seen queer sights, but the queerest they ever did see. Was that night on the marge of Lake Lebarge, I cremated Sam McGee". - Robert Service, Bard of the Yukon

    by Joe Jackson on Fri Jul 04, 2014 at 10:22:57 PM PDT

  •  This situation must be tearing the 1% apart (1+ / 0-)
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    On one hand, they need hate and fear to continue to manipulate the population.  On the other, they loves them low cost farm factory workers.  

    What's the difference between the Federal government and organized crime? One's legally sanctioned.

    by FrankenPC on Fri Jul 04, 2014 at 10:44:06 PM PDT

  •  Didn't you know all immigrants automatically ge... (0+ / 0-)

    Didn't you know all immigrants automatically get a free convience store upon stepping across the border and another baby Jesus dies?

    •  I hear tripe like that nearly everyday. People ... (0+ / 0-)

      I hear tripe like that nearly everyday. People see others establish family owned businesses and hire family, pool their money and somehow they resent others hard work and of course it's the gubnit giving them everything.

  •  Of course the people protesting don't even thin... (2+ / 0-)
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    Of course the people protesting don't even think about how the government of the US has/had spent tens of millions of dollars destabilizing the governments of central and south america which has led to this crisis on our borders.

  •  Self-righteous ersatz patriots... (0+ / 0-)

    devoid of empathy.
    They are unwilling, unable to imagine the horrid conditions that would cause a family to send off one of its children off on such a perilous journey in the first place, the sacrifices they must have had to make in order to pay for the 'passage'.
    Thy are unwilling, unable to imagine the cruel conditions of the journey, particularly as experienced by a child.
    They are unable, unwilling to try and imagine the sheer terror those children must feel, enclosed in a metal box with no escape, (a bus), staring out the window at pure hatred and evil being directed at them.
    The sheer ugliness of their actions shames, embarrasses, and enrages me not only as an American, but as a human being.
    Surely as a country, as a people, we are better than this.
    Whether these children remain here or not, they must be treated humanely.
    I can't help but believe ultimately, compassion will prevail.

  •  Right - except (3+ / 0-)
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    They are not legal immigrants (4+ / 0-)
    Why should they get to the head of the line?  

    Who is going to pay for their social services?  Tell me why a poor child in Detroit or Appalachia should face cut backs in social services because our budget gets busted with people who have no right to be here.

    They are not immigrants, they are refugees, and language counts. They are not here to steal our jobs - they are here to not be killed, even when "not being killed" means not starving.
    And by the way, "Tell me why a poor child in Detroit or Appalachia should face cut backs in social services"? Because the rich refuse to pay for their actions, and we let them get away with it.
  •  Sorry, you are wrong and anyone hiring them. (1+ / 0-)
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    All businesses that hire the illegals should be put out of business and their managers and owners be sent to prison.

    When the businesses are punished the illegals will stop coming.

    When the illegals stop coming the corporations will be forced to build factories in Central America creating the needed jobs for them.

    While American can once again be hired for the jobs the illegals are currently taking substandard wages which American workers cannot work for and still support an American family.

    The ugly truth is that the corporations are using the illegals as open slave labour to bring all Americans wages down to slave labour wages so the executives can make money.

    In a few more years America will look exactly like Central America in every aspect, Labour, economy, and there will not be an educated population or America Dream. Just poverty from shining shore to shining shore and dirt roads used to cross it.

  •  they're protesting the black president (0+ / 0-)

    it starts at the local rw radio station

    tune in the limbaughs and hannitys and their wannabes and sane americans will quickly realize where those assholes are getting their marching orders- they're not just a bunch of concerned assholes worried about jobs and terrorism, they are protesting a black president who their gods explained arranged the exodus of children to force immigration reform and amnesty

    This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

    by certainot on Sat Jul 05, 2014 at 05:59:13 AM PDT

  •  They will all be in church this Sunday. (0+ / 0-)

    They will all be in church this Sunday.

  •  along@murrieta.org is the email address (1+ / 0-)
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    of the racist Murrieta mayor, Allan Long. I sent him my suggestion that we let the kids stay and send all the Murrieta racists to Honduras. He is exactly the the type of person we don't need here.

  •  Lol! There is a small community in Brazil that ... (3+ / 0-)
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    Lol! There is a small community in Brazil that are descendanta from the Civil War -- Southerners who fled to start their own society away from the prying eyes of the US (Yankee) government …

    I have commented on the whole 'illegal' immigration thing a few times now. And, from my perspective as an Alaska Native, all y'all other peoples from the non-Americas are just a buncha FOBs. And, this whole fight is between the middle children who do not want to give up the familial position of 'youngest.'

    To all those racist, fringy, smorgaasbord Christian, fundamentalist, reactionary, misogenistic bigots out there, I hate to break it to ya, but this country was not White or Christian for the first 9,500 years of having peoples live here … we had our own versions of fundamentalists, but they were not as … hmmmm, rude as all y'all are. It was no utopia before the Europeans came, but we made it work for us. And, where would the world be without the tomato, the potato and corn? All New World foods.

    I really get tired of havin to learn Euro-Americans about their own history. And I get even more tired at having to explain that the First Nations' types did, in fact, have laws and governing systems and everything that makes a group of people a culture. It saddens me that so many Euro-Americans have bought into their own con about how wonderful they are to the detriment of everyone around them. I find it deeply troubling that our history is so muddled and whitewashed and straightened and completely misinterpretted just so a handful of people do not have to feel uncomfortable about who they are or what was done in their name or what they are continuing to do …

    The current geographical area of the United States of America has historically been filled with 'red' people (seriously? Have you ever seen a White person w/a sunburn? S/he is redder than most of us!) who were spiritual, but not Christian. If you really want to live in an historically White Christian country, you'll have to go back to Europe … but those countries are teeming with socialists and liberal thinkers … and … socialized healthcare!

  •  Wrong. (1+ / 0-)
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    Though I don't condone their actions, I understand their angst. I live in a small community in Central IL. In my county, we have a roofer that has a dozen illegals working for him. He houses these illegals in a couple trailers on his rural property. Recently, I had need for a new roof for one of my rental homes. Every roofer I called asked if I had a bid from the afore mentioned roofer. When I asked why, they replied that they couldn't come close to competing with him, and it wouldn't be worth their time to give me a bid if I had one from him.
    THAT is the reason why we don't need these people here. I understand your bleeding hearts, but these illegals are stealing work from honest citizens.
    At the end of the day, I support the honest US citizens who work for a living. These illegals are as big a threat to them as the plutocrats who control the GOP. Round them up, send them back.

  •  Lynch mob. (0+ / 0-)

    You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means

    by shoeguy on Sat Jul 05, 2014 at 08:57:42 AM PDT

  •  Let's Make a Deal (1+ / 0-)
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    krunk58

    We'll keep the Central American children if their home countries agree to take Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz.

    Oh, and Bobby Jindal too.  He's not Hispanic, but there are enclaves of Indians in countries all over the world (anywhere there's a motel, right?), so why wouldn't there be one or more in Central America.

  •  At Some Point (1+ / 0-)
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    At some point we need to stop bowing before every crowd or tea party rednecks when the laws of the United States are being enforced.

    The theory is we don't want to inflame them, but it isn't working.  Federal and local law enforcement officers are dying because we don't stand up the rednecks.

    I've held lots of protests where we blocked streets and roads.   We would run the protesters out into the street, the police would come and ask them to move, then they would be arrested.  Nobody got hurt.  Everyone made their point.  The press got it's pictures.  Everything was worked out with the police in advance so nobody got hurt.

    We never terrified or humiliated innocent women and children.

    William Hamilton practices Law and is a writer and community activist in the Charleston, SC area. He can reached through www.wjhamilton.com. I also coordinate a local public tranist advocacy effort http://hungryneckstraphangers.com/

    by wjhamilton29464 on Sat Jul 05, 2014 at 10:49:47 AM PDT

  •  BS. These invaders are not refugees. Violence (0+ / 0-)

    is up in some Central American countries, down in others, and has not suddenly surged in a way that would account for this tidal wave. They are illegal economic migrants who should be turned away by ANY means necessary. I guess you haven't seen or are ignoring the scenes of border invader supporters heckling and menacing citizens attending a town meeting in Murrieta. My sympathy is wholly with the citizens of Murrieta, not the wretched refuse piling up in their town.

  •  It's the old game Of the wealthy and powerful, ... (0+ / 0-)

    It's the old game Of the wealthy and powerful, paying half the poor to kill the other half.

  •  My Tea Bagger sister-in-law from Georgia is mad... (1+ / 0-)
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    My Tea Bagger sister-in-law from Georgia is mad as hell about all these "illegals" and thinks a moat filled with alligators and machine gun nests is needed to "secure our borders". Plus it is Obama's fault.

    Once a week a Hispanic woman cleans her house, paid in cash. I asked her if she was here legally, her response, "I don't care, she works for cheap".

    Most Tea Baggers are such hypocrites...

  •  By far, one of the worst exhibitions of hate I'... (0+ / 0-)

    By far, one of the worst exhibitions of hate I've ever seen. Who yells USA, USA while simultaneously delivering words of hate and intolerance? Tea-Party Christians, the KKK? Lost in their message of hate is the fact that unless you are a Native American, you too are an immigrant, or descendants of immigrants. Another sad day in the history of our country. -ns

  •  immigrants? (0+ / 0-)

    since when are people entering the country illegally called immigrants?  sorry, i really don't have too much compassion for people entering the country illegally.

    ymmv.

  •  No, they haven't forgotten (0+ / 0-)

    they simply don't care.  In short, they like the Bible where it supports their own bigotry, cowardice, ignorance, and prejudice.  Anything else that's in there doesn't matter.  They pray to God, and God tells them exactly what they want to hear...because they simply don't listen to anything else...anything that would cause them to re-think or re-consider their locked-in attitudes.  I'm not sure of the name for it, but they are "Christians" in name alone...and have nothing whatsoever to do with the real christians.  Like the Muslim who terrorize the world, these Christians speak loudly for their "religion" only because the true Christians haven't got the nerve to speak up and disclaim them.

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