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Many of the undocumented children, who cross the borders into the US, die before stepping one foot in America. I can’t help but wonder if the hateful (Tea Party) protesters who stopped the buses full of children in Murrieta Calif. realized just what these kids, who flee their country out of fear, really go through and die for. These angry people act as though the immigrants are on some kind of holiday, I wish they all would watch this NBC Nightly News video and perhaps could, (just a little bit) think again (become human) about their hatred and shed a tear for those they despise out of bigotry.

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Originally posted to thinkingblue on Thu Jul 10, 2014 at 08:00 AM PDT.

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  •  It is getting easier thanks to Mexico! (3+ / 0-)

    Mexico & Guatemala announce agreement to make illegal passage to U.S. easier

    The Southern Border Program to Improve Passage, will provide for more border checkpoints along Mexico's border with Guatemala, and offer more protection and even emergency medical care to those making their way north. The illegal aliens will receive a so-called Regional Visitor's Card, according to El Universal.

    Officially, the program will grant the cards to only illegal aliens from Guatemala and Belize, allowing them to remain in Mexico's southern states for 72 hours (more than enough time to reach the U.S./Mexican border by train).

    While, those two countries share a border with Mexico, the program will undoubtedly benefit anyone who makes it to the border.

    The program will also give special protection and even financial assistance to unaccompanied minors now pouring across our border.

    Humanitarian kudos to Mexico!
    •  Great move by Mexico. Protection and care (0+ / 0-)

      of children should be official policy, particularly of refugee children on their own.

      "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

      by YucatanMan on Thu Jul 10, 2014 at 11:33:43 AM PDT

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    •  Is this real? (1+ / 0-)
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      If this turns out to be an accurate report, then it's a non-trivial act of aggression against US interests.  I am extremely skeptical.  The underlying article is in Spanish, which I don't speak, but I tentatively call bullshit.  If it is real, though, then the US needs to make clear to both governments that this is unacceptable (and deduct our cost for dealing with these refugees from our foreign aid budget...)

    •  Umm- you are citing an examiner article (0+ / 0-)

      You do understand that that is a cesspool of unverified, unfact-checked nonsense, right?

  •  Shameful that Democrats are talking about (5+ / 0-)

    Deporting thousands of these child refugees without any legal representation. That's a complete violation of the Sixth Amendment. We are nation of refugees. What the hell happened to this country?

    You can donate to

    Kids In Need of Defense:

    http://www.supportkind.org/...

    •  This sounds like a scam organization. (3+ / 0-)

      Was it created to take advantage of the situation?

      It says on the website:

       

      finds pro bono attorneys in highly regarded law firms and corporations who agree to represent KIND's child clients in their immigration proceedings.
      What are you collecting money for if the attorneys are going to work for free?
      •  Costs of providing service (1+ / 0-)
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        I find it very surprising that someone who chose the name "IT Professional" is so unfamiliar with the costs that would be involved in providing professional services to thousands of clients located all over the United States. There is more to it than the legal fees, which the volunteer lawyers won't charge.

        There is no magic involved in connecting an unaccompanied minor with a lawyer who will help them. it takes hard work of a lot of people, not just the volunteer lawyers. There are costs for staff, an office, and much more.

        The vast majority of the volunteer lawyers work in a field other than immigration and refugee law. They will need training on the convention, U.S. legislation, jurisprudence, and procedure to be able to represent these young people.

        Many such volunteers are required, because they won't be leaving their jobs to devote their lives to volunteering. Each will volunteer some time to help one or a few kids--not all their time, or half their time.

        That means that the organization running this program will be training a lot of volunteers. And, since the kids are located all over the U.S. at this point, the organization will be providing services across the country.

        I'm not involved with the organization, but I've done enough organizing in my life, working with volunteers, to know that just because volunteers perform some of the services involved does not mean there are no organizational costs.

        •  IT Professional is an interesting version (2+ / 0-)
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          of anti-immigrant poster.  If you check into past diaries and comments, you might see what I mean.

          He's heavily promoted a front group (called PFIR), created and funded by white nationalist and nativist FAIR.

          When called on it, he repeatedly plugs the link to the site, and requests explanations of what is wrong with it, even after being told over and over.  Personally, I think it is trolling with feigned naivety. That's one reason why I wrote the diary linked above - as permanent documentation of what IT Pro constantly promotes.

          "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

          by YucatanMan on Thu Jul 10, 2014 at 11:04:16 AM PDT

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      •  Wow, I find it rich that you call this a "scam (0+ / 0-)

        organization" after you continually promoted PFIR despite having the origins and purpose of the organization explained to you over and over.

        "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

        by YucatanMan on Thu Jul 10, 2014 at 11:34:42 AM PDT

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      •  KIND was established years ago and was covered (1+ / 0-)
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        by the ABA - American Bar Association - two years ago.

        Help in KIND: Group Guides Pro Bono Attorneys Serving Unaccompanied Child Immigrants

        Posted Jun 1, 2012 4:50 AM CDT

        Kids In Need of Defense has trained 4,000 attorneys across the country to handle immigration cases involving unaccompanied minors, according to Young.

        Founded by actress Angelina Jolie and Microsoft Corp., KIND recruits and matches attorneys willing to work pro bono with unaccompanied minors in need of representation. Since launching, the group has served about 3,500 children, and more than 125 law firms and corporate legal departments are providing KIND with pro bono assistance.

        “It’s really heartening to see the response from the legal community,” says Young. “The issue itself is incredibly compelling. You literally could be saving a child’s life by representing him.”

        Headquartered in Washington, D.C., KIND has seven field offices in major cities like Baltimore and New York, and an affiliate in Seattle.

        It took me 5 seconds to find that.  You could do a little more research before making ridiculous accusations about a good and decent organization that you obviously know nothing about.

        Here is some more information from 2008:

        What is KIND?

        KIND is an important new children’s rights initiative started by Microsoft Corp. and U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees Goodwill Ambassador Angelina Jolie with the mission of providing pro bono legal counsel to unaccompanied immigrant children in the United States so that they are treated fairly and compassionately in our immigration system.

        "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

        by YucatanMan on Thu Jul 10, 2014 at 11:40:14 AM PDT

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      •  Supporters and Contributors to KIND, (0+ / 0-)

        a real and substantial organization: (I hope this helps with your concerns!)

        Corporations

            AT&T
            Bank of America
            CenterPoint Energy, Inc.
            Deutsche Bank
            Gen-Tech Construction
            General Electric
            Marathon Oil
            Merck & Co., Inc
            NBC Universal Media
            News Corporation
            Pfizer
            Prudential
            Royal Bank of Canada
            Wyndham

        Bar Associations

            American Bar Association, General Practice, Solo and Small Firm Division
            American Immigration Lawyers Association
            Hispanic National Bar Association
            National Asian Pacific American Bar Association (NAPABA)
            Maryland State Bar Association
            Minority Corporate Counsel Association

        Law Schools

            American University Washington College of Law
            Boston College Law School
            Boston University School of Law
            Bunker Hill Community College
            Catholic University’s Columbus School of Law
            City of New York School of Law
            Georgetown Law
            George Washington University Law School
            Harvard Law School
            Hofstra Law School
            New York University School of Law
            Northeastern University School of Law
            Pepperdine University Asylum Clinic
            Roger Williams University School of Law
            Rutgers School of Law
            Seton Hall University of Law
            South Texas College of Law
            Suffolk University Law School
            Touro Law Center
            University of Baltimore Law School
            University of California-Davis School of Law
            University of California-Irvine School of Law
            University of Connecticut School of Law
            University of the District of Columbia David A. Clarke School of Law
            University of Houston Law Center
            University of La Verne College of Law
            University of Maryland
            University of Massachusetts School of Law-Dartmouth
            Whittier Law School

        "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

        by YucatanMan on Thu Jul 10, 2014 at 11:51:05 AM PDT

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    •  what the hell happened? Ronald Goddamned Reagan (0+ / 0-)

      the Consummate Liar who foisted on us the notion that Other = Evil.

      LBJ, Van Cliburn, Ike, Wendy Davis, Lady Bird, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

      by BlackSheep1 on Thu Jul 10, 2014 at 09:36:51 AM PDT

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  •  Style or substance? (1+ / 0-)
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    An angry mob is not a pretty sight.  But is it that you just do not like their rude behavior, or do you object to their desire to deport these children back to their countries?  In other words, if the children are treated humanely, given due process, and then deported, will that be all right with you?

    •  Due process and then deported? (3+ / 0-)

      I can't speak for the diarist.

      You seem to be assuming that none of these children will be successful in their immigration hearings.

      UNHCR has interviewed many of the children and found that 58% have a basis for claiming international protection. What that means is that UNHCR--the U.N. organization for refugees--thinks that the majority of these children may be refugees entitled to remain in the U.S.

      The situation in three Central American countries--Honduras, Guatemala, and El Salvador--is akin to the child soldier situation we have seen elsewhere, in which children and teenagers are the targets for violence from armed criminal groups. If their governments cannot or will not protect them, they may have a sound basis to be accepted as refugees in the U.S.

      Drug cartels which were pushed out of Mexico set up shop in those countries, and, in some areas, control local government and the police force. Even if they don't control government, the drug cartels can be too powerful for local authorities to cope with.

      The children need legal representation from lawyers knowledgeable about refugee law. Due process isn't just a matter of putting a child in front of an immigration judge: it also means that the child has a lawyer.

      •  So, it's like the gang situation in East LA only (0+ / 0-)

        worse?

        That would mean the kids should stay.

        Personally? I'd a hell of a lot rather have those kids here than the Tea Party uckers.

        LBJ, Van Cliburn, Ike, Wendy Davis, Lady Bird, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

        by BlackSheep1 on Thu Jul 10, 2014 at 09:38:08 AM PDT

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      •  Not all, just most (0+ / 0-)

        As a matter of political reality, it is my guess that the vast majority of these children will be deported.  Some of the children will be allowed to stay in order to preserve the appearance of an evenhanded approach, but most will not. Furthermore, any appearance that the government is “taking orders” from the United Nations would really blow the lid off.

        •  Decisions about refugees (0+ / 0-)

          No country has to ratify a convention. A country that does so is expected to meet its obligations under that convention. The United States, in ratifying the refugee convention, accepted its standards.

          UNHCR does not make decisions about individual cases. Each state that is a party to the convention sets up its own process for deciding whether an individual is a refugee, as the convention defines that, and thus whether he or she is entitled to protection.

          The unaccompanied children will have a chance to appear before an immigration judge. However, they need a lawyer to represent them. Children have no expertise in immigration and refugee law, and they are unable to present their case effectively on their own.

          The reason we should take that UNHCR report seriously is that UNHCR certainly understands the convention, and if they say that close to 60% of the minors they interviewed may have a basis for international protection, then it is very likely that the U.S. will reach the same conclusion in many of the cases heard by the immigration judges. That's assuming, of course, that the children can effectively present their cases with the help of a lawyer.

          Indeed, the U.S. has already granted asylum to some of the unaccompanied minors. I saw a report about one teenager who was refused asylum and deported. He was murdered as soon as he got home.

    •  No, not at all. They are refugees from (1+ / 0-)
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      a terrible situation. And they are not without family in this country, according to the NPR broadcast this morning. They should be reunited with their families here in the USA and left alone, as humanitarian refugees.  That's how the UN categorizes them.

      "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

      by YucatanMan on Thu Jul 10, 2014 at 11:05:30 AM PDT

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  •  Flight from Central America (1+ / 0-)
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    In an article in Mother Jones, Ian Gordon provides a good description of the situation of unaccompanied minors fleeing from Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador to the U.S. Gordon writes:

    Many of the kids are coming to help a family in crushing poverty. Some are trying to join a parent who left years ago, before the recession and increased border enforcement slowed down adult immigration. Still others are leaving because of violence from family members and gangs. According to a report from the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, 58 percent of the 400 youth the agency interviewed "had suffered, been threatened, or feared serious harm" that might merit international protection. "This is becoming less like an immigration issue and much more like a refugee issue," says Wendy Young, executive director of Kids in Need of Defense (KIND), a DC-based nonprofit that helps unaccompanied immigrant kids find pro bono legal services. "Because this really is a forced migration. This is not kids choosing voluntarily to leave."

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