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This has been the week to kill the Republican myth that Obamacare isn't really getting the uninsured covered, that the law is failing in its primary mission. So much for that.

There was the Urban Institute: "Number of Uninsured Adults Continues to Fall under the ACA: Down by 8.0 Million in June 2014"

Graph showing decrease in number of uninsured adults
Then the Commonwealth Fund:
The uninsured rate for people ages 19 to 64 declined from 20 percent in the July-to-September 2013 period to 15 percent in the April-to-June 2014 period. An estimated 9.5 million fewer adults were uninsured.
And Gallup:
The uninsured rate in the U.S. fell 2.2 percentage points to 13.4% in the second quarter of 2014. This is the lowest quarterly average recorded since Gallup and Healthways began tracking the percentage of uninsured Americans in 2008.
And RAND:
Using a survey fielded by the RAND American Life Panel, we estimate a net gain of 9.3 million in the number of American adults with health insurance coverage from September 2013 to mid-March 2014. […] [T]he survey estimates that the share of uninsured American adults has dropped over the measured period from 20.5 percent to 15.8 percent.
Add to that last month's finding by the Kaiser Family Foundation that 57 percent of the people with Obamacare had previously been uninsured, and you've got a very dead Republican talking point.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 10:28 AM PDT.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  and gas spews out of the GOP repeal blimp (4+ / 0-)
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    Gooserock, thomask, ModerateJosh, JML9999

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "If we appear to seek the unattainable, then let it be known that we do so to avoid the unimaginable." (@eState4Column5)

    by annieli on Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 10:36:07 AM PDT

  •  Silly Librul (6+ / 0-)

    Since when did actual facts stand in the way of a favored GOP talking point?

    Most of the people taking a hard line against us are firmly convinced that they are the last defenders of civilization... The last stronghold of mother, God, home and apple pie and they're full of shit! David Crosby, Journey Thru the Past.

    by Mike S on Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 10:41:48 AM PDT

  •  I love this graph! (2+ / 0-)
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    bluenick, Lawrence

    Man, look at the difference between states expanding Medicaid, and states refusing to expand Medicaid.

    Yet even the states that refuse to expand Medicaid haven't stopped Obamacare from having a positive effect.

  •  Good news about the GOP, Tea-Kochster lies about (0+ / 0-)

    Obamacare, the Affordable Care Act.  Many uncovered Americans are being covered in the millions, how is that for real accomplishment, instead of the steady drumbeat of negative falsehoods about health care put out by the radical, reactionary republicans.  I see where Palin urged the President be impeached for the ACA.  Is that all you got , grizzly woman, your roar is just so muffled these days as the President acts to meet the needs of the American people while you still advance your career as a fake polititian.  Any sightings of Russia lately or is it still there in spite of you?

    •  She is just (0+ / 0-)

      Pissing into the wind.

      Eau de Palin!

      Dammit Jim, I'm a Doctor, not a Bricklayer!

      by dbcoe on Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 08:14:24 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  KOCH BROTHERS WORRIED!!!! NEW ADS IN WI (6+ / 0-)

      Koch Industries must be really worried now.  They have been running ads now in Northeastern WI, the Green Bay area, about all the jobs they have created, all the products they produce, basically all the "GOOD THINGS" they have done for America!!  Of course they leave out how they use the billions of dollars, which they make off the sweat of the poor and middle class, to buy the elections, trying to keep their Kronies in office where they can keep things the way they are, spreading lies, to rile the public and keeping the tax breaks coming, which "as we all know?" will trickle down, to the rest of us.  It's nice that Daily KOS has the "power of the people" behind them going out and killing the lies, one by one.  Scottie Walker also on the run, trying to find something negative, to say about Mary Burke.  I noticed he doesn't put out many ads, about all of his accomplishments or saying what he is going to do and how he is going to get WI back on it's feet.  I think the Obamacare refusal, to accept Federal funds, to expand Medicaid, is going to be one of the big items, which will sink his ship!  I look forward to the Daily KOS e-mails and all the diaries, which have made me a lot more informed about how things really are out there.  A lot of these idiotic things that are being said, don't get out to the public otherwise.  I'm sure, if people really knew how stupid and idiotic some of these people, which they elected, really are, it will change their minds about electing them again.  Of course then you get people who believe everything on
      Fox News and CNN and the networks.  I always thought CNN was pretty good at reporting the news and not putting a right leaning slant to it.

      •  Koch Brothers worried - new ads in WI (1+ / 0-)
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        We have been seeing the same ads bragging about them being "the good guys" in the Eau Claire area for the past few weeks as well. Green Bay and Eau Claire are on opposite sides of the state so I bet they are running state wide.

        Mary Burke should counter Scotties ads about wasting tax payer money by mentioning WEDC and all the money that his cronies gave to businesses not eligible for the funds and the millions that just plain vanished without a trace in the black hole of their mismanagement or fraud.

  •  "This talking point is no more! (2+ / 0-)

    It has gone to meet its maker, it is an ex-talking point, it has ceased to be!"

    "No it's not, it's just resting.  See?"

    I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

    by mojo11 on Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 10:47:36 AM PDT

  •  BETTER GRAPH...from Commonwealth (4+ / 0-)
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    majcmb1, Eric Nelson, pvasileff, Lawrence

    This is third link from P KRUGMAN NYTimes piece called  “Watch OBAMACARE Implode”   ...or not.
    Reality of OBAMACARE

    Proud to be part of the 21st Century Democratic Majority Party of the 3M's.. Multiracial, Multigender and MiddleClass

    by LOrion on Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 11:01:04 AM PDT

  •  very dead Republican talking point (7+ / 0-)

    Does not mean they'll stop peddling it.

  •  Definitely good news... (0+ / 0-)

    ...but I wanna also share this bit from Steve M., who hasn't always been right, but I still tend to take him seriously:

    ...Boehner's announcement that the suit will be just about the employer mandate lands as an intentional damp squib, making the whole thing seem like harmless stunt politics, while the draft resolution enables the House to participate in any Obamacare suit. And I do mean "participate in" -- the language of the resolution says that the House "may initiate or intervene in one or more civil actions on behalf of the House of Representatives" regarding Obamacare. So joining someone else's suit is a distinct possibility (or even joining multiple suits attacking multiple aspects of the law).

    The point is that the legal eagles of the conservative movement are attacking Obamacare from a lot of different angles, any one of which could be the Roberts Court's way of finally killing it. Unlike most liberals, I continue to think that Obamacare might ultimately be overturned -- though I think the strategy on the right at this point is to let the courts do it, rather than elected officials. The party as a whole probably doesn't want to run on the "accomplishment" of having thrown millions of people off the employment rolls -- but maybe members of the House, with their gerrymandered, blood-red districts, wouldn't mind running reelection campaigns after being parties to the suit that made Obamacare fall.

  •  I hope you're right, that the lie died, (2+ / 0-)
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    but somehow I suspect it will still be with us.
    If a lie is thoroughly dead, but refuses to go away, does that make it a zombie?

  •  Since the rate of uninsured continues to drop, (0+ / 0-)

    these statistics will be even worse for the GOP in November.

    Hopefully enough voters will pay heed and punish the GOP for their incessant lies.

    "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

    by Lawrence on Sat Jul 12, 2014 at 01:27:47 AM PDT

  •  Reality has a well known liberal bias. (0+ / 0-)

    Reality has a well known liberal bias.

  •  Take it away, Bill Kristol, 1993: (1+ / 0-)
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    billlaurelMD
    But the long-term political effects of a successful Clinton health care bill will be even worse--much worse. It will relegitimize middle-class dependence for "security" on government spending and regulation. It will revive the reputation of the party that spends and regulates, the Democrats, as the generous protector of middle-class interests. And it will at the same time strike a punishing blow against Republican claims to defend the middle class by restraining government.
    They were never afraid a comprehensive health care reform bill would fail and cause disaster; they were afraid it would succeed.

    Art is the handmaid of human good.

    by joe from Lowell on Sat Jul 12, 2014 at 07:41:05 AM PDT

    •  Americans who fear a government bureaucrat ..... (15+ / 0-)

      a non-existant government bureaucrat, as any Canadian like me knows, the Americans who claim they fear a government bureaucrat between them and a doctor have absolutely no fear of the insurance company bureaucrat wedged firmly between Americans and a doctor.

      The fact is that American insurance company bureaucrats standing between  Americans and a doctor do interfere with medical decisions.  while the government in Canada has absolutely no say in who gets medical treatment, what treatment we get, and when we get that treatment .... only doctors in Canada decide those things and it is doctors who tell the government what the government will pay for (doctors decide what is medically necessary) not the government deciding what it will pay for.  It is ILLEGAL for the government to deny payment for anything that a doctor says is medically necessary, while American insurance companies, not American doctors, are the ones who decide what insurance companies will pay for, and American insurance companies  deny treatment for any, or no reason.

    •  Problem with Clinton Healthcare, Bill put Hillary (5+ / 0-)

      in charge of trying to get something put together.  First she was his wife and I imagine many of the oldtimers didn't like the fact that a President's wife, would get such a responsibility.  They probably also felt this was no job, for a "woman" & especially not a President's wife.  Then there was the fact they were Democrats and we can't let the Democrats take credit for doing something as good as trying to get as many people as possible insured, so they didn't burden hospital emergency rooms.  If the hospitals are treating all these people, who can't pay, then they have to write it off.  Now with Obamacare and the ACA, I have seen reports of huge numbers, of hospitals, who are seeing a tremendous drop in uninsured people using the emergency room, thus increasing their profits.  If their profits increase and they don't have to write so much off, it should eventually bring down the cost of healthcare, to everyone, so then Insurance Companies won't be paying such a high amount of money out for the care of their customers and would not have the excuse of higher healthcare, to jack up the cost of their premiums.

  •  The GOP has 'faith' they're right. They won't s... (1+ / 0-)
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    The GOP has 'faith' they're right. They won't silly things like facts get in their way. They'll just say it louder and more often. That's how facts are created, right?

  •  GOP talking points are "zombie lies"... (0+ / 0-)

    ...no matter how many times or how decisively you kill them, their GOP will persist in re-animating the corpse to walk around terrorizing people.

  •  Any attention is probably good (0+ / 0-)

    I think we have arrived at a time when the negativity may help people PAY ATTENTION through the noise of daily life.  I am no longer sure that people have time to process the details deeply so use Internet or local experts to help them understand.  People go to trusted sources for something like this, particularly something they may have been waiting years to get.

    Consequently, any ads, discussion, attacks, with the words, "health insurance" or "Care" are actually GOOD for the Affordable Care Act, AKA Obama-Care.

    Bottomline--Attacking something that people actually WANT and suspect will be good for them, actually reminded them to go sign up or at least take a closer look at it.  Boomerang effect.  Bazinga

    •  I totally agree! Especially in this case negative (3+ / 0-)

      publicity brings attention to the problem.  It is especially good for the Democrats, because it brings things out in the open and "advertises" the ACA, letting people know how so many of these people, who are against it, are nothing but crackpots!  It allows many of the lies, to be exposed, giving them fewer and fewer talking points, about how terrible the ACA is.  It is also very good for Democratic fundraising and is helping bring in more dollars, for the Democrats.  Just listening to some of the idiotic and stupid things they say, should be proof, they have no idea of what they are talking about!  Also publicizing about the Teabaggers wanting to sue Obama and the Obama Administration, for some of the requirements, of the ACA and talking Impeachment, is putting them in the "iimelight" and not in a good way either!  CNN has a video out, concerning Sarah Palin, and her call for Impeachment and suing President Obama.  Some of the more sane members, of the Republican party are back pedaling and distancing themselves from the radical Teabagger members of their party.  There are also others, like Eric Holder, the secretary general, who is publicly saying how there is no basis, for these lawsuits.   Maybe seeing, and hearing, what some of these goofy Teabaggers are saying and doing, will convince enough people that maybe, just maybe, it wasn't such a good idea, to vote for them!  I am sure it will convince a lot of people to think twice about who they vote for.  Reading here, what others have heard or saw, has really opened my eyes to the fact there are an awful lot of people, who are supposed to represent the people, who are absolutely nuts and have no business even being in that elected position.

  •  tells a lot of the story (2+ / 0-)
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    that the states which expanded medicaid actually needed to less ... red states neglect their citizens before & after ObamaCare.

  •  Talking points (5+ / 0-)

    are only dead when people stop talking about them.  The MYTH itself may have been disproved, but the talking point will continue at least through November.  Those who oppose the ACA have as yet to demonstrate a willingness to let their opinions be swayed by facts.

  •  Why aren't democratic candidates blasting the a... (5+ / 0-)

    Why aren't democratic candidates blasting the airwaves with this? They are afraid of ACA, but if they start trumpeting loud and clear: "ACA works!" -- the public will start to hear it.

    This has always been the big Democratic Party weakness and GOP strength: democrats cling to the notion that they cannot sway public opinion once it is set. Republicans understand that is false - it is a cornerstone of their basic strategy. A clever politician can take lies and present them over and over until the public "knows" them to be true.

    Until the Democratic Party figures this out it will never take back the country.

  •  Not According to Bill Maher (4+ / 0-)

    Yeah, YOU think it's a "dead" talking point, but Bill Maher is more in tune with the right-wing groupthink than you are. He identifies this (and other Fox "News" memes) as "zombie lies" and predicts they still have a long unlife ahead of them in the mouths of dumber and dumber people before they're finally too rotten to shamble about any longer. Here's Bill:
       http://youtu.be/...

  •  I don't want to bust any wonderful bubbles... (7+ / 0-)

    ...like this one, but...

    I just read last night where Republicans are saying the only reason there is a difference in non-Medicaid-expanded states is because taxpayers are not paying for more deadbeats to have Medicaid there.

    yeah...

    I explained they WERE paying anyways, but they said they'd rather pay for something their state does not get than see another deadbeat reap any benefits.

    Hope this isn't too confusing.

    My point is that, no matter what, they will always have a denial excuse.

  •  Republican lies don't die... (4+ / 0-)

    they just turn into zombies.

    Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them - Thomas Jefferson 30 July, 1816

    by Roiling Snake Ball on Mon Jul 14, 2014 at 10:48:46 AM PDT

  •  Obamacare lies never die (1+ / 0-)
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    Bluegeorgia

    They don't even fade away.  Showing them to be false never kills them.  They just rise out of their would-be graves and roam the earth, undead, with Fox no longer repeating them outright, but assuming them to be true anyway.  Saying things like, "Given the underperformance of Obamacare in getting the uninsured covered, Megyn. . ."  As Greta van Susteren so aptly phrased Fox's philosophy, "Great point, though, if it were true."

  •  Talk about cherry picking data ... (1+ / 0-)
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    57States

    ... If you show the same graph from when Obama took office until now, instead of just two fiscal quarters, we have the same number of uninsured now as when Obama took office.  But go ahead.  Spread the propaganda and pat yourselves on the back.  Spin, spin, spin ...

    •  ACA enrollment (5+ / 0-)

      It's true that the graph doesn't show in these six fiscal quarters the longer term trends and variation. One would expect, for example, that improvement in business conditions and employment, such as has been seen under Obama, would likely improve rates of insurance coverage.

      However, it does show a fairly stable pattern for all of 2013, with a clear decline in uninsured since the 2014 provisions of the ACA took effect in 2014, including the open enrollment period and mandatory signup.

      Other economic indicators have not shown dramatic improvement in other factors affecting insurance coverage rates during this period, indicating that it is indeed the availability (and mandating) of ACA-driven coverage that has made the difference.

      Further, it is clear that the limiting factor during this period has been those states who refuse to help their poorest citizens get healthcare coverage through expanded Medicaid.

  •  Remember ALL the Republican lies when it comes to (4+ / 0-)

    election time. There are too many folks who believe whatever they hear on TV or radio. If ridicule about those constant lies, and the joke that the Republican party now is  starts building, right wing believers may be forced to think a little and see the truth.

    The real statistics of what Obama has managed to accomplish, despite constant attacks and obstruction, is truly incredible.

    Remember, ridicule of lies is the great equalizer to truth. No organized campaign is required, making fun of Boehner or Issa's 100+ subpoenas issued to attempt to stay relevant will make it, finally, obvious that their antics are not just an attack on Obama, but a savage attack on American Democracy itself.

  •  The states refusing the Medicaid expansion (6+ / 0-)

    will one-by-one give in and treat their citizens humanely, or get voted out. As you and others have pointed out, Medicaid took many years to gain universal acceptance. As each state succumbs to popular opinion, the pressure will mount on the remaining states to comply.

    However, there is a truly disturbing trend in that Republican doctors are refusing to treat Obamacare patients. For reasons that I cannot fathom, patients are identified on their insurance cards as having procured their insurance through an exchange. Why is that necessary or even legal? The insurance companies need to be held accountable for this.

    'Tis with our judgments as our watches, none go just alike, yet each believes his own. - Alexander Pope

    by liberaldad2 on Mon Jul 14, 2014 at 11:11:01 AM PDT

    •  Regardless of how you got (3+ / 0-)
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      your insurance, it IS obamacare, and the insurance companies are making it known loud and long that some policies (most) only cover a few doctors in one or two clinics, and maybe a hospital that is only a two hour drive from where you live.  Saving money, don't you know?  If there are only a few doctors covered, and NO payments made for out of network docs, or hospitals, a lot less pay out for a little less pay in.  Has nothing to do with whether or not you got your insurance through an exchange, but how narrowly your company wrote your policy.

      •  Some of the anecdotal evidence I have heard (1+ / 0-)
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        suggests that patients are being turned away even from doctors that were identified as preferred providers by their insurance companies. Some of the stories here. If this doesn't rise to the level of discrimination, I would love to understand why.

        'Tis with our judgments as our watches, none go just alike, yet each believes his own. - Alexander Pope

        by liberaldad2 on Mon Jul 14, 2014 at 03:31:35 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  cost of aca being high is a myth. the GHOST (1+ / 0-)
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    Who is immune to H/care costs? Nobody.
    What better to spend money on then your h/care? With out your health you can't do many things.

    Now it is cheaper with ACA and children to 26 are covered free to them if they meet the right conditions. Going to school/college or finding a job. You also can not be turned away with prior medical conditions.

    The fact is their is NO GOP PLAN now and about 22 million people will lose their H/care if we switched now.
    The law is really Romney care made cheaper much cheaper.

    Why would republicans /conservatives want to turn down their own plan???

    One if your state is not on medicaid you pay higher state taxes!!
    Republicans the older party by some ten years use medicare and medicaid the most!

    ACA has a cap on inflation cost and you have to prove that cost to the gov. OK it keeps the prices lower for the future.

    Next those BRAND NAME drugs that cost you and arm and leg to get, 200 to 400 $ a pop. Now because they have to make a generic with in 4 yrs you pay a small co pay of 4 to 10 $. This saves you 190 to 390 $ per script. You need 2 to 4 scripts per yr and you may have 1 to 3 medicines you need.
    Savings 660 to 1000 $ a yrs of more.
    Generics are made by the same company 95% of the time

    why would you turn this down for a mystery H/CARE plan that can't be voted in???

    A synthesizer can create any instrument made and others that have not be created yet.

    by RSGmusic on Mon Jul 14, 2014 at 11:37:27 AM PDT

  •  Just one two-word sentence: (3+ / 0-)
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    I'm grateful.

  •  Over and above (4+ / 0-)

    the fact that the overall numbers of the uninsured are dropping, I couldn't help noticing --
    The states headed by Republican governors [by their deeds shall ye know them: they are the ones refusing to expand medicaid] had the highest rates of uninsured when the first polls were taken - - and they still do.  I would guess that's because those states, generally speaking, are less well off overall.  
    Mississippi springs to mind.  And West Virginia.  And those with less to spend tend not to have health insurance.

    And what is the one sort of insurance people have traditionally been allowed to do without?  Why that would be health insurance, of course.  
    If you want to drive a car, you're required to have insurance because, otherwise, a company you're not paying a premium to would be forced to pay up if you hit someone who is insured with that company.  It's in the corporations' interests for you to be insured so the law says you must.  

    Home insurance, ditto for as long as your mortgage lasts so that the poor little corporation doesn't get left holding the bag.

    But when it comes to insuring actual human beings, up till now, THAT has been totally up to the individual because no corporation was harmed if you didn't carry it.  And Republican states have the most people who weren't [and still aren't] insured.  

    Quelle surprise.

    The price of apathy is to be ruled by evil men - - Plato . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . We must be the change we wish to see in the world - - Mohandas Gandhi

    by twocrows1023 on Mon Jul 14, 2014 at 11:57:00 AM PDT

  •  Facts don't have a lot to do with Republican ta... (1+ / 0-)
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    Facts don't have a lot to do with Republican talking points, but we can hope.

  •  Daily Kooks (0+ / 0-)

    Daily Kooks

  •  Oh, damn. (1+ / 0-)
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    Bluegeorgia

    Time to think up a new lie.

  •  Wonder how much it would have fallen if not (1+ / 0-)
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    For the lying liars, and the lies they told?

  •  Lie (0+ / 0-)

    Republicans Lie!   You learn something new everyday.

  •  woe to the teagoper who (2+ / 0-)
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    decides to run for president promising (or even hinting) to repeal the ACA.

    and it's guaranteed that they will.

    looks like four more Dem years in the WH.

    "Please proceed, Governor"

    by portlandzoo on Mon Jul 14, 2014 at 01:44:08 PM PDT

  •  What We Need Now (3+ / 0-)

    Is for people who live in states that aren't expanding Medicaid to make it an issue with their votes. Time to get more universal coverage.

    The poor being healed shouldn't be a lower priority than protecting the extra digits in the bank accounts of the wealthy.

    Discourse is better served if we can stick to the rules of logic.

    by backell on Mon Jul 14, 2014 at 02:46:38 PM PDT

  •  The Repubs/Baggers are painfully aware that (2+ / 0-)
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    Obamacare is succeeding. It's why they've now switched their attention (collective attention, as in lemmings or sheeple) to impeaching him! And why would you not impeach someone who's been doing their job and who has enjoyed a few successful achievements? It makes perfect sense among all those astute logicians that populate the RW "think tanks"!

  •  Zombie issues. (1+ / 0-)
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    Bluegeorgia

    "Add to that last month's finding by the Kaiser Family Foundation that 57 percent of the people with Obamacare had previously been uninsured, and you've got a very dead Republican talking point."

    Not necessarily. The Rethuglicans seem to be very good at raising "dead" issues. After all, they've managed to revive the voter "fraud" "issue" over and over again without the slightest evidence that it in any way affects elections. With all the voodoo that Karl Rove and the Koch addicts have at their disposal (money, a willingness to believe whatever lie comes out of the conservative punditry, etc.), it won't be at all difficult to revive this particular zombie.

  •  As Ronald Reagan famously said . . . (2+ / 0-)
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    JuliathePoet, Bluegeorgia

    "Facts are stupid things." And as today's Republicans might add, "Who needs 'em, when you've got money?"

  •  It may be a "dead talking point", but let's fac... (1+ / 0-)
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    Bluegeorgia

    It may be a "dead talking point", but let's face it - Republicans love beating dead horses until they are bloody pulps

  •  Liberal Media My A$$ (0+ / 0-)

    Mainstream media hasn't given this anywhere near the news coverage that they gave to the ACA website failures.  As many Obama's actual accomplishments, this one seems to have gone under the radar.

  •  You trust these stats? (0+ / 0-)

    Wow. That makes you really gullible.

  •  Yet why don't we ever hear (0+ / 0-)

    neener, neener, neener, I told you so, from the President?

    Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.---George Orwell

    by okpkpkp on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 07:05:16 PM PDT

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