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If you don't have children of your own, I bet you have relatives who do. Look at their
faces, now imagine the look on their face when you tell them they must leave and
go with these strangers standing in front of them.

Loving a child is universal. Our country has no monopoly on love.

You send these children away because you know they could be killed walking outside the
door. Your frantic to hold on to any hope of a better life for them.

Some of us in America have an appetite for drugs countries sell. We are by far their
biggest customer for cocaine, and similar drugs. Gangs seize on  fear to take children
away and get money from the parents. These folks have an open season on assault,
rape, and murder.

Thousands of children are indeed coming to our border with Mexico, and then giving
themselves up. They WANT the border agents to catch them. Maybe now, they hope
things will be better.

Our leaders are finding ways to send these kids back to Hell. How cruel this is, should
bother anyone with a soul.

If a MILLION kids came, they should be kept through out our country. Canada, England,
France and other nations should assist with proper placement of these kids. The kids
didn't ask to go on a thousand mile trip, be assaulted, or raped.

We ALL have 'skin in the game', because we pour money into these countries when
we buy drugs. If part of sending kids away is simply a way for some monsters to
make money, we still should keep them.

Children are the same in any country, humanity demands someone love and care for them. People in California turning away helpless children should be ashamed. Yesterday,
a plane took back 15 kids age 6 months to 15 years old to Honduras. What happens to
them now? Do we care?

To be a progressive person means you care for the needy. You feed and dress them.
You find way's to keep any child from harm. All civilized nations should be helping.

Republican's in the House are gutless cowards who refuse any attempt at a reasonable
immigration policy. District's are safe now, so expect little or no help. This is one
more tool to use against  democrats and continue their racism towards our President.
I assumed children might be considered a tragedy not another Fox talking point.

Look at the children in YOUR life. Fight, e-mail, call, do all you can to stop these
children from more harm.

Has our nation turned so cruel, mean, that we don't care about children because
they are not part of the family?

Let me help you., these children ARE part of our family. Follow under the fold.

We are our brother's keeper.

-When a friend is in trouble, don't annoy
him by asking if there is anything you can do.
Think up something appropriate and do it.
-E.W. Howe

Originally posted to Vet 65 on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 11:00 AM PDT.

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  •  I agree with Bush. (26+ / 0-)

    Jeb Bush that is:
     

    "But the way I look at this -- and I'm going to say this, and it'll be on tape and so be it. The way I look at this is someone who comes to our country because they couldn’t come legally, they come to our country because their families -- the dad who loved their children -- was worried that their children didn’t have food on the table. And they wanted to make sure their family was intact, and they crossed the border because they had no other means to work to be able to provide for their family. Yes, they broke the law, but it’s not a felony. It’s an act of love. It’s an act of commitment to your family. I honestly think that that is a different kind of crime that there should be a price paid, but it shouldn’t rile people up that people are actually coming to this country to provide for their families."
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/...
    Imagine the self-sacrificing love it takes for a mom to send her four, five, six year old off so that he/she can have the chance of a better life. I cannot begin to imagine what that mom is going through as she waits for word of her baby. My heart aches for them.
    Btw, Jeb Bush will pay dearly for showing even that little bit of heart. Because of that (and other stuff, of course) he will never, ever become POTUS; which says a lot about where we are as a country.
    Thanks, Vet63.

    Maya Angelou: “There's a world of difference between truth and facts. Facts can obscure truth.”

    by JoanMar on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 11:49:22 AM PDT

  •  I expect as time goes by there will be many more (10+ / 0-)

    comments on this diary.  My question is, why is it that the so-called "greatest country in the world" has managed to back itself into a political corner - one where games of chicanery and one-upsmanship are played ad infinitum, at the expense of the human factor? Countless countries around the world that can only be described as seriously impoverished themselves open their borders to refugees without batting an eye. True, they may do it grudgingly, but THEY DO IT!! Oh, well, so much for the Huddled Masses. What's next? Are the Repubs/Baggers going to draft a bill to chisel these immortal words off of the base of Lady Liberty? I would not put anything past them.

    •  Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Mexico and other countries (13+ / 0-)

      in the area reported an increase in child migrants as far back as 2011.  All those countries have done what they can to support people fleeing Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras.

      As narrow-minded as the US media is, we think this is all about the USA.  No, this is a regional crisis and one much of our own making.  The USA is to blame for much of the violence and strife.  

      See my other comments below for some links, as well as this one about the history and other facets.

      "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

      by YucatanMan on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 12:49:42 PM PDT

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      •  NPR did a lead in on a report (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Pilotshark

        The report was saying that these same gangs had recruited hundreds of kids ,in California before being run out of the US.

        We need to offer the same assistance to the Central American Governments,technical only,as we offer to other besieged countries, to eradicate these gangs and corruption.  

        But, some of the resolve to the plight of these children and women, is in our US Republican Congress who could :.re-instate SNAP at full funding, expand medicaid, raise min, wage to a living wage,pass laws that stop the proliferation of guns, and ammunition, tax the rich, close tax loopholes to those who export jobs, rebuild our schools,roads/ infrastructure and cleanse our local police of infiltration of hate groups who target minorities,pass immigration reform,. Americans drugs are killing lives so that you can have "recreation or fun"

        What is even more counterproductive to a resolve is: The advocates here in the US  refuse to do ANYTHING to or say anything about the responsibilities and failures of the governments of Central America for these people who are fleeing..  

        Why? They sound like the Republicans, "It is all Obama's fault" but they have not done one single thing to change these countries for the better.  

        •  Keeping it Simple (0+ / 0-)

          Your message is powerful and true. The Republican's
          now have blood on their hands. The party has lost
          it's soul.
          Thanks for your powerful message,
          Mike

          Social activist, nutrition and exercise advice,long distance runner, Writer.

          by Vet63 on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 08:18:08 AM PDT

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          •  Why do you leave out Obama, the master of the (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            lippythelion69, Vet63

            current crisis and his bloodthirsty sidekick Eric Holder? Hired guns for corporate wall st. banksters.

            I was told by a Panamanian bank vice president, “Every multinational knows that if Honduras raises its hourly rate, the rest of Latin America and the Caribbean will have to follow. Haiti and Honduras have always set the bottom line for minimum wages. The big companies are determined to stop what they call a ‘leftist revolt’ in this hemisphere. In throwing out Zelaya they are sending frightening messages to all the other presidents who are trying to raise the living standards of their people.”
            The cozy relationship between Honduras’s military coup leaders and the corporatocracy were confirmed a couple of days after my arrival in Panama. England’s The Guardian ran an article announcing that “two of the Honduran coup government's top advisers have close ties to the US secretary of state. One is Lanny Davis, an influential lobbyist who was a personal lawyer for President Bill Clinton and also campaigned for Hillary. . . The other hired gun for the coup government that has deep Clinton ties is (lobbyist) Bennett Ratcliff.” (1)
            DemocracyNow! broke the news that Chiquita was represented by a powerful Washington law firm, Covington & Burling LLP, and its consultant, McLarty Associates (2). President Obama’s Attorney General Eric Holder had been a Covington partner and a defender of Chiquita when the company was accused of hiring “assassination squads” in Colombia (Chiquita was found guilty, admitting that it had paid organizations listed by the US government as terrorist groups “for protection” and agreeing in 2004 to a $25 million fine).
            http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/...
            •  waiono (0+ / 0-)

              Somehow, we who care, need private groups to deal with these kids.
              People in power seem to loose their humanity. Not all, but
              most.
              Mike

              Social activist, nutrition and exercise advice,long distance runner, Writer.

              by Vet63 on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 08:30:01 AM PDT

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      •  but but but wait (1+ / 0-)
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        Vet63

        Obama said the violent overthrow in Honduras was OK

        As for compassion for the kids…..we kill them wit drones all the time.

        Obama has given Israel the green light for Israel to murder as many Palestinians as it wants

        Hail to the Chief! These CA kids are lucky we aren't bombing them.

        Just so we're not missing the point here….yes we should help these lids….and we can start by not destroying their home countries.

        •  waiono (0+ / 0-)

          The religious war in Iraq has been going on for along
          time. I  think Israel will be fighting  the  Palestinians
          for along time.
          Haven't we sent person after person there to solve this?
          I think this is not Obama's fault. Many things are,
          but I don't think the bombing HERE should be blamed on Obama.
          President after President has tried to solve this.
          Mike

          Social activist, nutrition and exercise advice,long distance runner, Writer.

          by Vet63 on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 09:25:18 AM PDT

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          •  You think his hands are clean? (2+ / 0-)
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            lippythelion69, Vet63

            Drones murders, Libya, Syria, Ukraine, Yemen, Africom, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Honduras

            Let's be generous and leave out Iraq. His hands are bloody….he's swimming in a pool of blood.

            The only way to justify it is to justify American exceptionalism/imperialism and all it stands for.

            President Obama quickly recognized Mr. Lobo’s victory, even when most of Latin America would not. Mr. Lobo’s government is, in fact, a child of the coup. It retains most of the military figures who perpetrated the coup, and no one has gone to jail for starting it.
            that was then:
            http://www.nytimes.com/...

            this is now:
            SAN PEDRO SULA, Honduras, July 14 (Reuters) - The United States deported a group of Honduran children as young as 1-1/2 years old on Monday in the first flight since President Barack Obama pledged to speed up the process of sending back undocumented immigrant minors
            from Central America

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

            Obama supported the overthrow of Zelaya and Obama has supported the right wing fascists murdering thousands across Honduras….and now he's sending those same kids back to the insanity he helped create.

            Need more?
            Honduras: Military Coup Engineered By Two US Companies?
            http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/...

            DemocracyNow! broke the news that Chiquita was represented by a powerful Washington law firm, Covington & Burling LLP, and its consultant, McLarty Associates (2). President Obama’s Attorney General Eric Holder had been a Covington partner and a defender of Chiquita when the company was accused of hiring “assassination squads” in Colombia (Chiquita was found guilty, admitting that it had paid organizations listed by the US government as terrorist groups “for protection” and agreeing in 2004 to a $25 million fine).
            Better heat up that hopium pipe one more time. If 6 years of Obama corporatism doesn't open your eyes, nothing will.
            •  waiono (0+ / 0-)

              My eyes are open. I wanted Obama to stick his
              middle finger at folks and say,
              these kids stay in America till the civilized world can care
              for them.
              It seems the Supreme Court  is the only group with power.
              Mike

              Social activist, nutrition and exercise advice,long distance runner, Writer.

              by Vet63 on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 08:34:01 AM PDT

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    •  LaBellaFarnese (2+ / 0-)
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      Galtisalie, thanatokephaloides

      Lady Liberty needs to be re-written. I grow tired of coming
      up with names for our Republican friends. I am using
      the word "friend" in a sarcastic manner.
      Thanks for your thoughts,
      Mike

      Social activist, nutrition and exercise advice,long distance runner, Writer.

      by Vet63 on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 03:43:35 PM PDT

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    •  One million Iraqi settled in poor countries (4+ / 0-)

      such as Jordan.  But we can't take in 30 thousand children.  Something is seriously wrong with this country.  Sadly the President is buckling in to the pressure to give priority to sending them back.

      "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Riane Eisler

      by noofsh on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 04:31:52 AM PDT

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      •  noofsh (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        lippythelion69

        Jordan is a great example of Countries should do.
        To even THINK about sending these kids back home,
        makes me feel ashamed.
        When a person votes for these monsters in Congress.
        it speaks loudly about the voter. That type voter
        is what's wrong in this country,
        Mike

        Social activist, nutrition and exercise advice,long distance runner, Writer.

        by Vet63 on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 08:23:12 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Thank you for this diary. (12+ / 0-)

    Vatican to support help for ‘humanitarian emergency’ of child migrants

    “I wish to also call attention to the tens of thousands of children that emigrate alone, unaccompanied to escape violence and poverty,” Pope Francis said in the message, dated July 11 and read July 14 by Archbishop Christophe Pierre, papal nuncio to Mexico.

    “This is the category of migrants from Central America and Mexico itself that cross the United States’ border under extreme conditions and pursuing a hope that, for the majority, will be in vain.

    “Such a humanitarian emergency demands as its first measure the urgent protection and properly taking in of these children,” Pope Francis continued.

    U.N. Officials Seek Refugee Label For Kids Coming Into America Alone
    UNHCR officials hope to “discuss updating a 30-year-old declaration regarding the obligations nations have to aid refugees” on Thursday in Nicaragua. The Associated Press stated that “while such a resolution would lack any legal weight in the United States,” officials believe “the U.S. and Mexico should recognize that this is a refugee situation, which implies that they shouldn’t be automatically sent to their home countries but rather receive international protection.”
    Joint Declaration of Bishops on child migrants
    These children left their countries pushed by the misery, the violence, or the desire to be reunited with their parents or family members who have migrated and, after confronting every type of deprivation and danger, now are living a terrible humanitarian crisis. This dramatic situation affects all of us and makes us commit ourselves to “globalize solidarity,” recognizing, respecting, promoting and defending the life, dignity, and rights of every person, independent of their condition as migrants.

    "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

    by YucatanMan on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 12:42:37 PM PDT

  •  Fleeing violence: (11+ / 0-)

    Statistical Analysis Shows that Violence, Not Deferred Action, Is Behind the Surge of Unaccompanied Children Crossing the Border

    An analysis of the available data suggests that:

    o    Violence is among of the main drivers causing the increase. Whereas Central American countries that are experiencing high levels of violence have seen thousands of children flee, others with lower levels of violence are not facing the same outflow.

    o    By contrast, the evidence does not support the argument that DACA or lax border enforcement has caused the increase in children fleeing to the United States.

    "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

    by YucatanMan on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 12:45:03 PM PDT

  •  We need to address the cause as well. (4+ / 0-)
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    Jon Says, Penny GC, Vet63, Yonit

    Is there any way we can intervene in their countries of origin to assist in getting the situation causing these migrations under control?  To be clear I mean offering assistance with their consent, not going in to Central America with guns blazing; there are already too many instances of that in our history.  I'm not sure how many parentless children we can accommodate and all else being equal they would probably prefer to be home with their families too.

    •  vadem165 (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Yonit, thanatokephaloides

      I wish there was an easy answer to your comments.
      We can legalize ALL drugs. That wont happen for decades.
      We can put a United Nations camp in every central American country. The kids could be kept there safely
      and closer to their parents. I don't hear anyone
      talking about THAT crazy idea of mine. We could
      just shoot every child that comes here. Republican's
      would of course say THEY would never do such a thing.
      They will offer no suggestion how to fix this emergency,
      they will blame everyone but themselves.
      Mike

      Social activist, nutrition and exercise advice,long distance runner, Writer.

      by Vet63 on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 04:27:59 PM PDT

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    •  It would be great if we could wear the white hats. (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Sunspots, waiono, lippythelion69

      Unfortunately, in this case, we are a large part of what went wrong in Central America, going back decades...  And we are a large part of what is wrong today!  And, we could not fix what we have screwed up there without making some major changes here.  We can't even agree to act in our own self-interest, without obstructionist back-biting.  How could we possibly think we are equipped to solve anyone else's problems?  

  •  I would rather keep children with their families. (5+ / 0-)

    I think it is wrong to send babies up North. I think the time is now to bring humanitarian aid to Central America and if need be, set up refugee camps in these countries offering shelter,food, medical care and an education.   We send aid to other countires in distress and I think that we should mobilize the National Guard or the military and send tons of supplies and equipment along with technical support and medical providers so that these children have a better chance in life.

    •  Lina (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      thanatokephaloides

      Hey! I just sort of said that. It doesn't have to be the
      United Nations. We need safe places for these kids.
      I hope it happens,
      Mike

      Social activist, nutrition and exercise advice,long distance runner, Writer.

      by Vet63 on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 04:30:16 PM PDT

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    •  The problem is... (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Sunspots

      The families aren't just fleeing poverty.  They are fleeing violence - kidnapping, rape & murder.  Humanitarian relief won't do it, and we cannot send soldiers in to Central America.

      I agree that children belong with their parents.  I also respect the hell out of these parents for making this incredible sacrifice!  I'm not sure what the long-term solution is, but in the short-term, we need to do right by these children!

    •  lina (0+ / 0-)

      Great idea! of course these kids want to be close to their
      families.
      Be well,
      Mike

      Social activist, nutrition and exercise advice,long distance runner, Writer.

      by Vet63 on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 08:26:59 AM PDT

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  •  U.S. troops in Central America? Terrible idea. n/t (4+ / 0-)

    garden variety democratic socialist: accepting life's complexity|striving for global stewardship of our soil and other resources to meet everyone's basic needs|being a friend to the weak

    by Galtisalie on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 05:09:44 PM PDT

    •  Galtisalie (0+ / 0-)

      How about an international force? The U.S. would
      be only one of the Countries helping.
      Take care,
      Mike

      Social activist, nutrition and exercise advice,long distance runner, Writer.

      by Vet63 on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 08:29:26 AM PDT

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      •  educate yourself on Honduras first (3+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        lippythelion69, Galtisalie, Vet63

        We've been training killers to keep their own people down in countries south of our border for so long it's not even news any more. Obama just another LBJ/Nixon/Reagan/Bush/Clinton clone

        http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/...

        August 07, 2009 "Information Clearing House" --  I recently visited Central America. Everyone I talked with there was convinced that the military coup that had overthrown the democratically-elected president of Honduras, Manuel Zelaya, had been engineered by two US companies, with CIA support. And that the US and its new president were not standing up for democracy.

        http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/...

        Today, America's image as a defender of democracy and justice has been further eroded by the School of the Americas (SOA), which trains Latin American and Caribbean military officers and soldiers to subvert democracy and kill hope in their own countries.
        •  waiono (0+ / 0-)

          I won't be shocked if 2016 brings a Republican president.
          Cycles have changed the party in power since FDR.
          A private group needs to fix.
          Mike

          Social activist, nutrition and exercise advice,long distance runner, Writer.

          by Vet63 on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 08:38:52 AM PDT

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      •  I respectfully think that would be a bad idea (0+ / 0-)

        too. The root causes are (1) the Drug War-related gangs, which are anti-social coping strategies; and (2) the U.S.-ordained dirty tricks and lack of socialism to make the best use of available human and physical resources to provide jobs and meet basic human needs. We should not wait several decades to deal with the former at home to cut out demand for imports of illegal drugs. On the latter: We should support not oppose ratification of the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights signed by Pres. Carter as a start to healing U.S. differences with Latin America and the Caribbean states. We should not oppose expropriation of transnational corporate "property," which is loot stolen from the workers. We should, as waiono implies, stop arming, training, and exporting killings and reactionary oppression.  

        In principle, I love the idea of a UN force to deal with genocide. But there is no military solution to these root cause problems. Only deep changes in U.S. domestic and foreign policy will set the framework for recovery of miserable states, where we rightfully "own" the failures not the land and other means of production. Right now, U.S. foreign policy is to maintain and create servant and if necessary failed states so we can put in military bases and keep the states safe for capitalism. That's the unstated priority.

        In the meantime, there is and always will be desperate humans in need of safe places to go. I'm fully with Pope Francis and others including you on that.

        Respect so much your heartfelt standing up for human compassion.

        garden variety democratic socialist: accepting life's complexity|striving for global stewardship of our soil and other resources to meet everyone's basic needs|being a friend to the weak

        by Galtisalie on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 02:19:44 PM PDT

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  •  I would take in a few of these children if I could (6+ / 0-)

    The story breaks my heart, and the vile reaction by some Americans sickens me like I've rarely been sickened before.

    These Americans wield legalities as some sort of shield, I imagine to assuage their guilty feelings regarding their own lack of compassion.

    •  Wes Kobernick (0+ / 0-)

      I would as well. I am making waves to open homes in
      Washington state.
      I bet I catch hell, it wont be the first time.
      Take care,
      Mike

      Social activist, nutrition and exercise advice,long distance runner, Writer.

      by Vet63 on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 08:32:45 AM PDT

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  •  Thanks, vet63 (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Yonit, thanatokephaloides, Galtisalie

    Humanity must prevail with these ones.

    We have it within our power to make the world over again ~ Thomas Paine

    by occupystephanie on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 06:02:44 PM PDT

  •  Best post I've read on the refugee issue...how can (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Yonit, thanatokephaloides, Sunspots, Vet63

    the richest nation on the planet be so stingy with official sympathy for lost children?  Fortunately, unofficially, Americans are trying to help.  Officially, we're the worst nation that ever existed on planet Earth.  Unofficially, we're a bunch of caring human beings.  How do we get the official to equal the unofficial in lovingkindness?  The worst among us are often supported by tax revenues from the best.  Those states which hate the most are the most subsidized.  Is there something about being the recipients of charity that makes people want to deny charity to someone else?  As if, there isn't enough charity to go around?

    Lost Tom. Lost Charlie. Can't read (Paul Newman, 'The Left Handed Gun')

    by richardvjohnson on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 06:30:19 PM PDT

    •  richardvjohnson (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      richardvjohnson

      years ago,  my mother worked in state Government.
      She was trying to explain why a 5 year boy had to die
      because his Mom was on welfare. I  said maybe the state
      should have taken the surgery money from another
      fund.
      I bet our Country can find the money if it  tries.
      Be well, Mike

      Social activist, nutrition and exercise advice,long distance runner, Writer.

      by Vet63 on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 08:40:44 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  You are Fucking "A" right we got skin in this (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    thanatokephaloides, Sunspots, Vet63

    game. What you do to these the least of my brethren, you do to me. Seems pretty much cut and  Fucking dried to me, eh?

    The things I want to know are in books; My best friend is the man who'll get me a book I ain't read.- Abraham Lincoln

    by Mighty Ike on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 07:41:07 PM PDT

  •  Time for a Better Drug Policy (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    blackhand, Vet63, lippythelion69

    Perhaps one helpful thing we can do is make drugs legal in this country and take some of the vicious power away from the drug gangs in central and south America.

    There are many good reasons to do this - fewer Americans in prison, better medical care for addicts, new revenue streams for states, etc.  The fact that it can decrease violence in countries like Guatemala and help families in those countries stay together AND reduce illegal flight into this country is another good reason.

    "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

    by Hugh Jim Bissell on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 03:55:50 AM PDT

    •  Huge Jim Bissell (0+ / 0-)

      Your so right. I've always said let addicts go to
      doctors to get their drugs. Or just open stores
      like Washington State and Colorado have done for "pot".
      Get caught doing something wrong because your stoned?
      Go to prison for a very long time.
      Thanks for a logical idea. Who would have said 20 years
      ago, you can buy "pot" openly in a store?
      Take care,
      Mike

      Social activist, nutrition and exercise advice,long distance runner, Writer.

      by Vet63 on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 08:47:54 AM PDT

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      •  The practical details (0+ / 0-)

        I believe in England, anyone who wants heroin can get it with a doctor's prescription.  The doctor can test for HepC or HIV, encourage and counsel addiction treatment and make references for treatment when the patient is ready, and keep track of the patient's drug use.

        The patient gets a known amount of unadulterated drug, and has no need to steal or prostitute themselves for drug money, and reduced risks and diseases.

        The state gets less crime, saves money on policing and healthcare, and a way to reach a previously unreachable segment of society.  

        it's a win-win-win.  And of course if we did that here in America, we would be reducing violence and crime in central America, and reducing a prime motivator for this surge in illegal immigration.

        "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

        by Hugh Jim Bissell on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 06:35:12 PM PDT

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  •  Absolutely right! (0+ / 0-)

    The right wing have once again succeeded at making me feel ashamed of being an American.  How is it that only they bring that out in me?  Could be that it'as the right wing that is un-American (not to mention inhumane and immoral).

    "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Riane Eisler

    by noofsh on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 04:16:51 AM PDT

  •  If these were European children fleeing forced (3+ / 0-)
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    conscription into drug dealing, would we consider them illegal immigrants, refugees, or perhaps even, heros?

  •  I donated to CRS (1+ / 0-)
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    I don't generally donate to Catholic Relief Services because of disagreements I have with the Church on policy but in this case it seems like a good idea.

    UI am disgusted by how my fellow citizens have acted on this situation.  How soon do we forget where we all came from!  The only people who have the right to call themselves native are native Americans.  Look at how poorly we treated them and still treat them!  Wake up America - you are NOT number one by a long shot.

    "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Riane Eisler

    by noofsh on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 04:47:34 AM PDT

  •  I disagree with this diary (1+ / 0-)
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    We have AMERICAN kids , especially inner city African americans, who have been neglected for GENERATIONS. If we accept these kids, it may feel good, but is it wise? Won't it just encourage a mass exodus? I have no problem with selective amnesty of current illegals based on how they have conducted themselves in this country and allow temporary visas for their kids to come here. But you just can't allow for open arms on a generic basis.

    I don't know why progressives have been blindly supporting illegal immigration. It makes legal immigration a joke. We should always move towards increasing legal immigration quotas and grant more temporary visas and crack down on violators.

    As far as kids in this dilemma, I feel for them. But if sympathy is a factor, why don't we allow all African kids to come here ? Why not eastern Europeans?

    Let's get our own house in order first. The wasteful Iraq wars expenditure which Democrats caved in on, the spending on illegal immigrants, the lowering of wages thanks to illegal immigrants willing to take jobs at cheap wages hurts our own poor by depressing wages.

    Let us , just FOR ONE DECADE, spend 200 billion or more in educating just one generation of inner city kids by providing them with fair housing/food/quality education and opportunity to develop away from any dysfunctional /abusive/neglectful/unfit parents they might have  and once we get our country in order, we can take in a lot more of these humanitarian cases to immigrate here.

    Don't get me wrong. On one level , I have some kind of admiration for the kids andtheir parents who have toughed out HARSH conditions to come over here, rules be damnedm, by any means necessary. Hell, white people marched towards the west coast taking over lands by hook or crook,

    •  pravin (0+ / 0-)

      Your logic is excellent. I really think these kids showing
      up at our borders was not what we wanted. They are here
      now, I'm only suggesting we as American's come up with
      ways to help these kids,not send them back to hell. ALL
      civilized nations should help. Detroit is turning off the water
      for folks who live there. That should be the talking point
      of all people.
      Mike

      Social activist, nutrition and exercise advice,long distance runner, Writer.

      by Vet63 on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 08:40:40 AM PDT

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  •  Having disagreed earlier, I agree on the culpabili (0+ / 0-)

    ty of the many druggies in our own country who contribute to this state of affairs, not to mention our own foreign policy which has been disastrous in Latin America.

  •  many good comments (1+ / 0-)
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    and we need to hear from people who can open their hearts even if it is not news like an idiot sheriff surrounded by pathetic cowards carrying high powered weapons to confront traumatized children.  Apparently chickens prefer T-shirts with eagles on them-doesn't make sense but there they are

  •  American exceptionalism? (1+ / 0-)
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    My whole life I've watched my country, somewhat arrogantly, lecture the rest of the world about American exceptionalism.  Well America, here is an opportunity to showcase American exceptionalism.  We can prove to the world that we are still the shining city on the hill.  Or we can merely succumb to xenophobic and racist tendencies by sending children to certain death.  The ball is in our court.  It's legacy time.  What message will we send the world about American greatness?  

  •  Militia to protest children (0+ / 0-)

    I learned today that a group called the Light Foot militia plans to protest on Sunday at Bethany Children's Home in Womelsdorf,   PA.  Light Foot is a paramilitary group that announces itself as protector of family and constitution.  These "protectors of family" are going to protest children.  Bethany has a "Helping Hands' Program for children who made the dangerous journey to America.  Bethany sees this crisis as a humanitarian issue and as perhaps the largest crisis regarding children since the Civil War when Bethany was founded.

    Bethany is not asking for counter-protesters as law enforcement will be present.  They are asking for prayers, awareness and moral support for Bethany, the children, staff and the community of Womelsdorf.

    When I look at my granddaughter's sweet little face, I can't imagine having to make the decision to send her on a dangerous journey of hundreds or thousands of miles, knowing that the alternative is worse.  

    The person who told me about this protest said she went to the militia's website.  She advised me not to go there.  It made her sick to her stomach.  How can people be so cruel?

    •  Control PA Dem (0+ / 0-)

      Not here so much,but I have been blasted with comments
      like we can't afford this. Send these little monsters back.
      I am one screwed up liberal. I plead guilty to that charge.
      Thanks for a powerful message,
      Mike

      Social activist, nutrition and exercise advice,long distance runner, Writer.

      by Vet63 on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 09:27:39 AM PDT

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