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Hamas fucked up.

Royally.

You know, if Hamas had accepted the cease fire - and Israel rejected it - it would have been said....many times over - and it would have been correct.  There would be multiple diaries detailing it - as there should.  But......Israel voted for a cease fire.  Hamas didn't.  Now Palestinians will bear the consequences of Hamas's action or inaction.

No one seems to be calling Hamas out on it.

This is about a cease fire.

It's not about who is right, who is wrong.

It's a cease fire.

A time to pause.

A time to breathe.

A time to try and stop killing one another - if only for a period of time.

A time to figure out how or if there is a path to a non-violent resolution.

That pause will not happen as rockets continue to be fired from Hamas and again from Israel.  

So there will be no cease fire - only an escalation.

The blood is now on the hands of Hamas - Palestinian blood and Israeli blood.

It needed to be said.

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  •  Tip Jar (21+ / 0-)

    The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government. - Thomas Jefferson

    by ctexrep on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 12:35:07 PM PDT

  •  Prayers go out (6+ / 0-)
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    puakev, lina, rb608, lgmcp, JNEREBEL, BlackSheep1

    to the thousand of Palestinians and Israelis who will go to bed in fear of not waking due to warfare.

    The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government. - Thomas Jefferson

    by ctexrep on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 12:37:11 PM PDT

  •  If you decide to stop (9+ / 0-)

    stomping on ants, does that mean they have to promise you something back?

    A true craftsman will meticulously construct the apparatus of his own demise.

    by onionjim on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 12:44:36 PM PDT

    •  That's not the point (2+ / 0-)

      the point is to stop the stamping.

      The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government. - Thomas Jefferson

      by ctexrep on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 01:04:04 PM PDT

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      •  That IS the point (2+ / 0-)
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        Israel is the one stomping on the ants.  The ants being the people in Palestine who are as defenseless as the ants.  All the ants can do is bite Israel on the leg.  Why should Hamas promise anything when it's Israel that's blowing shit up, blowing people up, stealing Palestinian land, holding them in a prison, embargoing them and treating them as second class citizens?  I guess Hamas should promise to not be angry or retaliate for their people being treated like shit?  

        This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

        by DisNoir36 on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 03:07:48 PM PDT

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    •  If you think you are supporting Palestinians (7+ / 0-)

      with this comment you aren't.

      Palestinians = ants???

      If you think you are supporting Israel with this comment I don't want to say what you are.

      People who Rec'ed this should reconsider their Recs.

      The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
      Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

      by InAntalya on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 01:09:02 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Well said, nt (1+ / 0-)
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        Hill? What hill? No one said there was going to be a hill . . . . Was there a sign?

        by Jersey Jon on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 01:38:46 PM PDT

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      •  I don't think he means what you think he means. (2+ / 0-)
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        I took it as referring to Israel stomping on the ants, i.e., the ants being the people in Gaza, i.e., that's what Israel thinks of them.  

        "Fragmented and confused, we have no plan to combat any of this, but are looking to be saved by the very architects of our ruination."

        by BigAlinWashSt on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 01:53:15 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Come on. (2+ / 0-)
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          If some people in Israel think of the Palestinians in Gaza as ants and you very rightly denounce them for that, how can you approve of something that does the same thing - equate the Palestinians in Gaza with ants?

          The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
          Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

          by InAntalya on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 02:00:14 PM PDT

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      •  I don't see how those (3+ / 0-)
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        bottle rockets can be considered a weapon compared with guided missiles. The people of Gaza are seemingly as helpless as ants, trapped and unable to move freely. So, Israel, by bombing their houses, is in effect stomping ants that are quite helpless to stop it. Also Israel has dehumanized the people of Gaza by lying that they are using themselves as human shields to protect Hamas. Irsael is blaming the victims for their own death, even as they are being bombed. Is this clear?

        A true craftsman will meticulously construct the apparatus of his own demise.

        by onionjim on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 01:56:55 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  The sentiment is clear. (0+ / 0-)

          But the wording in the comment is not right, in my opinion, even though your intentions were good.

          Is it so hard to say 'On second thought I think I used inappropriate wording in this comment.'?

          I try not to make mistakes but I do and when I do I feel no hesitation to admit I was wrong or I could have done something better, learn from it, and move on

          The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
          Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

          by InAntalya on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 02:09:22 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Yes this a very difficult thing (1+ / 0-)
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            InAntalya

            to talk about. So much is wrong, and my words are futile wind, sand washing in the tide. Real harm is being done and we need to stop it. My ways of communicating may not be like everyone else's but on a global scale there is a uinfied message going to Israel: Stop the massacre, stop the illegal collective punishment. Stop lying about your reasons, we can see what you are doing.

            A true craftsman will meticulously construct the apparatus of his own demise.

            by onionjim on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 02:20:10 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  I don't believe this is true. (0+ / 0-)
              So much is wrong, and my words are futile wind, sand washing in the tide.
              Words are some of the most powerful things in the world.

              Just give yourself time when you write. I usually write something and then wait a few seconds and then read it again to check it and see if I can make it clearer.

              With time and practice this gets easier.

              The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
              Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

              by InAntalya on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 02:28:57 PM PDT

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        •  Dude you are right that the Palestinian (6+ / 0-)

          weapons are unsophisticated but come on. Bottle rockets? These guys are using actual military-grade mortars. They're pretty basic, and not all that powerful, but they're actual ordnance with explosives (bottle rockets have no explosives, they have gun powder and other accelerants). Give Hamas some credit.

        •  As I wrote above you could write a comment (2+ / 0-)
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          in reply to your first comment and revise it to:

          In my original comment I meant to express:

          "If you decide to stop stomping on people who are as helpless as ants, does that mean they have to promise you something back?"

          The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
          Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

          by InAntalya on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 02:16:18 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  those "bottle rockets" aren't just fireworks (4+ / 0-)

          and there's nothing innocent about this decision to spit in the face of a cease fire offer.

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          by BlackSheep1 on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 03:10:06 PM PDT

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    •  Hey. (1+ / 0-)
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      Pound for pound we're among the most powerful creatures in existence. So fuck that helpless ant implication, ok?

      -- Ant #MI5476390872350470OSEOFH63083745, Quadrant 3, Wayne County, MI.

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      by dov12348 on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 03:25:22 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  "We'll stop killing you (11+ / 0-)

    but we're not going to stop taking your land, oppressing your people, forcing you into refugee camps, and oh yeah, denying you water.

    If you stop trying to kill us."

    I can't really blame Hamas for rejecting that.

    Of course, the tactics Hamas has chosen, and their stated objectives, completely delegitimize them too.

    "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

    by raptavio on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 12:48:27 PM PDT

    •  I have been busy. Has the Hamas leadership (2+ / 0-)
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      formally rejected the Egyptian initiative?

      The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
      Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

      by InAntalya on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 01:10:36 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  It seems they haven't. (1+ / 0-)
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        21:01

        The US retains hope for a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas, according to State Department spokesperson Jen Psaki, who says secretary of state John Kerry would use "every tool in our toolbox to return to the ceasefire".

        http://www.theguardian.com/...

        The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
        Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

        by InAntalya on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 01:20:04 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  It unfortunately seems so. (5+ / 0-)

        from ABC News:

        After Israel’s support of the cease-fire, Sami Abu Zuhri, a senior spokesman for the Palestinian organization, spoke out rejecting the plan.

        "This proposal is not acceptable,” Abu Zuhri told The Associated Press.

        The group’s military wing published a statement online saying it wasn't contacted about "this alleged initiative."

        "For us, it is not worth the ink that wrote it," the Al Qassam Brigades, Hamas' military wing, said in the online statement. "Our battle with the enemy continues and we'll be loyal to the blood of the martyrs of the Eaten Straw battle."

        "Stay close to the candles....the staircase can be treacherous" (-8.38,-8.51)

        by JNEREBEL on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 01:23:09 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Do you want the current killing to stop? (5+ / 0-)

      Then you agree to a cease fire then try to work out the details - if you don't - then you made a huge mistake - when the rocket from Israel kills more children - I can only hope that the Palestinian people will hold their Government accountable....and yes - I would be saying the same about the citizens of Israel if it were the other way around.

      The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government. - Thomas Jefferson

      by ctexrep on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 01:11:51 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  *shrug* (5+ / 0-)
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        I don't think you're particularly wrong, but I don't think you're particularly right either. Hamas has little reason to believe that the "details" to be worked out will involve halting the seizure of their land and livelihood and/or their active oppression. In that, they may feel they have nothing to gain by stopping.

        "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

        by raptavio on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 01:30:14 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  So does Hamas believe that continuing to shoot (2+ / 0-)
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          rockets into Israel will halt the seizure of land and their livelihood/and or the active oppression?  What exactly is Hamas's reason and planned results from continuing to send rockets into Israel?

          •  I do not know. (10+ / 0-)

            That question is beyond my ken to answer.

            Desperation? Rage? A simple decision that it's better to die on their feet than live on their knees? Flat-out radicalized murderous anti-Jew hate? Something more cunning- like drawing Israel into more massacres that cause international pressure on Israel to grow stronger as the numbers of innocent Palestinians killed and injured mount? I don't know.

            "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

            by raptavio on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 01:40:29 PM PDT

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            •  Most honest repsonse I've seen since this newest (1+ / 0-)
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              ctexrep

              tragedy commenced.

            •  I think THIS (1+ / 0-)
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              Jon Says
              Something more cunning- like drawing Israel into more massacres that cause international pressure on Israel to grow stronger as the numbers of innocent Palestinians killed and injured mount?
              May be the closest to the answer.

              It's a pretty evil thing to do but frankly I don't know what future any of the people there have other than to be martyrs.  I suspect that they believe that if their deaths bring about change then they would be worthwhile.  If that means goading Israel into massacring Palestinians then so be it so long as it turns the world's opinion against Israel and pressures them to change their policies.    

              This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

              by DisNoir36 on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 03:15:28 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

        •  What do they have to gain by going on? (0+ / 0-)

          This initiative essentially returns the situation to how it was a month - six weeks ago.

          Was that situation good?

          No, but it was better than it is today.

          The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
          Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

          by InAntalya on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 01:45:51 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Is it? (0+ / 0-)

            "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

            by raptavio on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 02:15:47 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  I wonder, have you seen a warzone close up? (0+ / 0-)

              Have you been in a warzone?

              Have bombs ever dropped so near you that it felt like an earthquake?

              Have you ever smelled the smell of human flesh that was burned off bodies by a bomb blast?

              The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
              Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

              by InAntalya on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 02:37:42 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  Have you ever lived (0+ / 0-)

                under a constant oppression where you knew everything you owned and everyone you loved could be taken from you at the whim of a government run by people who hate your very existence, to make way for that government's favored class? Have you ever lived in such a way where your right to such basics as food and water are in question? Where you live in desperate poverty with no apparent hope of a way out? Where death has been a fact of life for as long as you can remember?

                Have you ever tried to tactlessly and ham-fistedly pull out a trump card without considering the other side?

                "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

                by raptavio on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 02:48:07 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  1 - yes but run by people who hate the country I (0+ / 0-)

                  born in.
                  2 - yes
                  3 - yes but severe not desperate poverty
                  4 - not 'for as long as I can remember' but it was for a good period of time
                  5 - no

                  The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
                  Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

                  by InAntalya on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 02:58:06 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  The point, Inantalya, (2+ / 0-)
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                    is that as horrible as an active war may be, as horrible as the death, injury and destruction may be, it is not unreasonable to consider that the alternative - living under constant fear and oppression - may be judged to be worse.

                    When you think about it, that's why the United States of America exists.

                    Whatever hell you may have lived through is a horrible thing I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. I also don't know what fresh hell has been visited on the Palestinian people nor how they endured it. I don't know that they, nor Hamas, are making a particularly irrational choice that the active violence is worse for them than the active oppression they feel they're under. I think the Palestinians are consigned to one form of hell or another either way, and they have the unenviable and horrifying choice of which special hell the would select from a very short list of hellish options.

                    And even those who have lived through war (the 'human flesh burned off bodies by a bomb blast' was a particularly ghoulish touch in your rhetoric -- my cousin, in fact, died in precisely that manner, so thanks) might not have the same perspective as those facing it in the here and now, under different circumstances, in a different theater.

                    "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

                    by raptavio on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 03:10:07 PM PDT

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                    •  I have only one thing to say that I'd like you (3+ / 0-)
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                      to consider.

                      When there is a horrible situation without war many, maybe most, people have an amazing ability to adapt, and, I know it may sound stupid but, to make the best out of a bad situation, even if it is only being able to sit and spend time with friends and family. And they can and do also think about, dream about, even make plans about how this hell they are in can be changed in the future.

                      But when there is a horrible situation with war only two things exist in your life - will the next bomb/bullet kill me and how can I get enough food and water for me and my family to just stay alive. Tomorrow doesn't exist in any way, just now, just today's food and water.

                      War robs people in horrible situations of the very, very limited things that they have, especially of the concept of 'the future'.

                      The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
                      Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

                      by InAntalya on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 03:32:39 PM PDT

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                      •  I'll consider that. (2+ / 0-)
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                        I'd ask you in turn to also consider that the concept of 'the future' may, in fact, have already been stolen from them.

                        "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

                        by raptavio on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 03:38:19 PM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  I know from experience that the concept of (2+ / 0-)
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                          'the future' can only be stolen by war. Some oppressers may want to and try to kill the concept of 'the future' but absent war and death it is impossible.

                          The human spirit is truly strong.

                          The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
                          Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

                          by InAntalya on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 03:49:56 PM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  What is true for you (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            InAntalya

                            is not necessarily true for others.

                            Different people cope -- or fail to cope -- with different trauma in different ways. You cannot speak for everyone, as much as I would dearly wish your words were true.

                            Your experience is not their experience. Your psyche is not their psyche.

                            "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

                            by raptavio on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 05:14:10 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  True. I am speaking from my own (0+ / 0-)

                            experience but I am also speaking from my experiences with Iranian, Kurdish, Iraqi and Syrian refugees.

                            And a tiny bit of experience with Palestinian refugees.

                            The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
                            Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

                            by InAntalya on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 05:26:27 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  And the plural of anecdote (0+ / 0-)

                            is still not data.

                            I'm friends with Palestinians too, and if I wanted to, I could use their experience rhetorically, but their individual experiences are not at all relevant to what others may or may not experience.

                            "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

                            by raptavio on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 06:47:05 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

    •  By rejecting the cease fire- (2+ / 0-)
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      Hamas will continue to bet what they've been getting, killed, along with their own civilians who they are dragging into it.

      Hard to consider it collective punishment when Hamas decides to intentionally prolong the suffering in the immediate future. Ymmv, and I expect that some will adamantly disagree. I can appreciate that disagreement. It's no different than the feelings/animosity that those in that region feel. Again, there are 2 sides of this conflict. I. Am unapologetically on Israel's side. Yes, I wish that both sides could live peacefully, side by side. I'm not hopeful of that ever happening in my lifetime. There's nothing more I can do, except to continue to support Israel through my speech, and financial contributions.

      •  Israel (1+ / 0-)
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        earns the scorn they receive every bit as much as Hamas does. This is why I'm against both sides.

        "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

        by raptavio on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 02:16:41 PM PDT

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      •  Hamas may be saying (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
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        that the ceasefire offer is not taken in good faith. Both sides have pointed at each other in the past for breaking these things. I have seen Israel go out of its way to instigate trouble as it did a couple of years ago when they assassinated a Palestinian who was working on a peace deal. The United States is the one force that can bring them to the table, but the hard right lobby in DC won't allow it, so they are to blame for this.

        A true craftsman will meticulously construct the apparatus of his own demise.

        by onionjim on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 04:07:11 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  So Israel will keep bombing Gaza (13+ / 0-)

    but Hamas is responsible for the casualties.

    Got it!

    … the NSA takes significant care to prevent any abuses and that there is a substantial oversight system in place,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California), said August 23.

    by mosesfreeman on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 12:51:54 PM PDT

  •  End the apartheid. And it appears Israel is still (6+ / 0-)

    way ahead when it comes to "fucking up", or breaking ceasefires.

    The Truth About Cease Fire Violations between Israel and Gaza.

    http://antiwar.com/...

    "Fragmented and confused, we have no plan to combat any of this, but are looking to be saved by the very architects of our ruination."

    by BigAlinWashSt on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 12:54:06 PM PDT

  •  Hamas, in many people's eyes, is incapable of (1+ / 0-)
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    "fucking up".  Many believe that Hamas is impotent and incapable of truly hurting Israel.  Therefore, because of their impotence, any Israeli reaction to Hamas shooting rockets or killing innocent Israeli civilians should be met with indifference.  Many will say Israel's cease fire request was a joke and Hamas had to reject it.  However, if Hamas would have offered a cease fire, and Israel would have rejected it, then that would have been different.  Minds are completely made up.  No one is going to regard any actions by either side as a "deal breaker" and suddenly change their opinion on who to blame.  Both sides know this and will continue to do whatever they want, regardless of the consequences.

  •  Yes, they really fucked up (6+ / 0-)

    I've been watching some seriously frantic maneuvering here all morning, because the actions of Hamas doesn't fit the narrative that has been propagated. It began with a fudging of the timeline, to sell that the rockets were fired were still legitimate, and then when that metaphorically fizzled out, the position shifted to communication problems among the Hamas chain of command - even thought they were giving interviews with the Times and the Post - and when that fell apart, some here just flat out justified it, because of the naval blockade.

    This can't be spun as anything but a moral failing and a strategic disaster on behalf of the militants, and those who advocate for them.

    This revolution is not scheduled!

    by harrylimelives on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 01:40:27 PM PDT

    •  My first thoughts are always with those (3+ / 0-)

      who (in this case)are directly impacted by the poor choice of Hamas - which are the civilians of Gaza and Israel.

      Politically, there's plenty of blame to go around but I think it's quite despicable, the silence that has befallen this site regarding this issue.  While I love the Pootie diaries - I think the lack of discussion regarding I/P cease-fire lends itself to agree that this doesn't fit the narrative.  For a site that likes to think of itself as reality based - nothing confirms it bias more than the silence.

      The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government. - Thomas Jefferson

      by ctexrep on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 01:48:39 PM PDT

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      •  Stop being so disingenuous. There is a diary up (0+ / 0-)

        with a whole lot of comments.  Now you are simply "poking the tiger" in the hopes of getting pissed off people to react to your "concern".  The whole situation is an absolute mess with no winners.  People have dug in and are not going to be swayed by diaries telling them they don't care in the same way you do.  Diaries about what is happening are fine.  But when you start telling others that you obviously care more and can see through all the other members here, you've completely lost the argument (and the high ground you have so bravely claimed).

        •  I haven't claimed any moral high ground (0+ / 0-)

          and don't think for one moment - if this played out where Hamas accepted the cease fire and Israel did not - there would not have been multiple diaries over the next several days with many landing on the wreck list - look at the wreck list today....not one, at least as of about 30 minutes ago regarding this situation.  I'm not a good writer - so I never expect or intend for the few things I write to make it there but not even a FP'er has addressed it directly.  BTW - I just checked - there's stuff about the Post Office, Wisconsin,  Pooties, Chile - but no mention of I/P - what a surprise.

          Now there was one from early this morning - but that was the only one I saw.

          The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government. - Thomas Jefferson

          by ctexrep on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 02:08:20 PM PDT

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          •  So you're upset that apparently there are more (1+ / 0-)
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            people on this site that side with Hamas in this conflict.  I get it.  But do you believe that insulting them and calling them hypocrites is going to help your cause.  I'll bet those that support Hamas can/will and have used the same tactics to point out the hypocrisy of those who support Israel.  Stop looking to goad others into a fight simply to make yourself feel better.  Going on a site simply to antagonize others says a whole lot more about you than the others not writing dairies.    

  •  I agree that Hamas should have accepted the cease- (4+ / 0-)
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    fire, but since Israel has broken numerous cease-fires with Hamas, they may think there's more to be gained by keeping on keeping on.

    Their real God is money-- Jesus just drives the armored car, and his hat is made in China. © 2009 All Rights Reserved

    by oblomov on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 01:46:38 PM PDT

    •  That's possible - but at least (0+ / 0-)

      there was a cease fire to break.

      I really can't see where they have anything to gain by agreeing to a cease fire - if they want - they could break it tomorrow - but they're broke, losing grip and this may be their swan song - I don't know.  One thing I do know is that no one wins when it comes to war - there are only losers - but Hamas is so out gunned by Israel - they will be the biggest losers along with those killed in the crossfire.

      The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government. - Thomas Jefferson

      by ctexrep on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 01:57:24 PM PDT

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  •  Yup. As usual. (0+ / 0-)

    and this :

    No one seems to be calling Hamas out on it.
    would harsh the narrative around here.

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