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I want fair treatment for immigrants, but that is almost irrelevant to the case of the children at our southern border.

They are refugees, they are frightened, more than half have been directly threatened. More important -- for many children are frightened unreasonably -- their parents are frightened for them, so frightened that they send them on a long, dangerous trip because they believe that staying home would be even more dangerous.

And almost all outside observers agree with the parents, at least about the danger of staying home.

The status of refugees is covered by treaties that they USA has signed. This is not a political issue; it is an issue of international law. Congress has the power to appropriate money, and the money to deal with this problem is theirs to deny, but the administration is obligated to deal with it anyway. President Obama is committed, by solemn obligation undertaken by previous presidents and previous senates, to deal with the refugee problem as best he can with the resources available.

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  •  Spot on (2+ / 0-)
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    LakeSuperior, JoanMar

    My wife and I had this very conversation the other night.

  •  The US has help assissinate or overthrow (2+ / 0-)
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    Greyhound, OooSillyMe

    any politician in those countries who had any concern for the poor people in these countries. We have created the mess they are fleeing.

    Inside every old person is a child wondering what the hell happened.

    by CA148 NEWS on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 04:57:48 PM PDT

  •  "More than half of the top 50 Central American (0+ / 0-)

    cities from which children are leaving for the United States are in Honduras."

    And why is this? US. The parasites didn't like the outcome of the election, so they overthrew Zelaya and we, the Obama administration, made it stick with the time honored justification of, "because we say so".

    "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire

    by Greyhound on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 05:18:55 PM PDT

  •  Hmmm (0+ / 0-)

    I'm not certain they meet the definition of "refugee" under international law:

    A refugee has a well-founded fear of persecution for reasons of race, religion, nationality, political opinion or membership in a particular social group.
    That doesn't meant they should be deported, and it doesn't mean that they shouldn't be cared for.  It doesn't mean that they're not fleeing very bad circumstances, and that they don't fear for their lives. But these things have very specific definitions, and at this point I believe even UNHCR isn't calling them refugees.

    Dammit Jim, I'm a lawyer, not a grammarian. So sue me.

    by Pi Li on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 06:50:26 PM PDT

    •  And their qualifying membership is not being (1+ / 0-)
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      JoanMar

      in the dictator's military nor a drug gang. Either way, a return trip is a death sentence, and that's the criteria for what you cite.

      Not that there is any chance whatsoever of this being argued. Not here.

      "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire

      by Greyhound on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 09:56:34 PM PDT

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    •  If there is a non-white child to be argued against (1+ / 0-)
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      I can bet my last dollar that you, and people like you, will turn up, like a frigging recurring nightmare, to argue the case for the wrong side.
      From the Executive Summary of UNHCR:

      The basic guiding principle in any child care and protection action is the principle of the “best interests of the child”.
      Effective protection and assistance should be delivered to unaccompanied children in a systematic, comprehensive and integrated manner.
      snip
      Children should always have access to asylum procedures, regardless of their age.
      snip
      Authorities at ports of entry should take necessary measures to ensure that unaccompanied children seeking admission to the territory are identified as such promptly and on a priority basis.
      snip
      I
      n recent years, States have expressed concern about unaccompanied children seeking asylum either at their borders or at some later time after entry. The circumstances in which these particularly vulnerable individuals find themselves are varied and often complex. Some may be in fear of persecution, human rights abuse or civil unrest in their home countries. Others may have been sent, willingly or otherwise, to secure a better future in what their caregivers have perceived to be more developed countries. In others, the motives and reasons may be mixed.
      1.2 Notwithstanding any of these motives, unaccompanied children have often had little or no choice in the decisions that have led to their predicament and vulnerability. Irrespective of their immigration status, they have special needs that must be met.
      I would say that UNHCR has, quite explicitly and implicitly, laid the foundation for the children to be classified as refugees.

      Maya Angelou: “There's a world of difference between truth and facts. Facts can obscure truth.”

      by JoanMar on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 10:34:05 PM PDT

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      •  I'm sorry you don't understand the law. (1+ / 0-)
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        And you're wrong about what you think UNHCR is saying. They're advising that the children should be treated as refugees...not that they qualify as refugees under the current treaty.  Nothing you've "snipped" here binds the US under the law.

        Treating the children as refugees for humanitarian reasons is one thing, and I've never said they shouldn't be treated as such.  Merely stating that the diary is wrong when it says the children are refugees under international law.  That's why even the administration is saying that "most of them" will be returned.

        Again, joanmar, I'm sorry (albeit unsurprised) that you don't understand. And that you continuously return to cliched and unfounded accusations to try to make your point. I've always tried to be polite to you, but this getting tiresome.

        Dammit Jim, I'm a lawyer, not a grammarian. So sue me.

        by Pi Li on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 06:28:36 AM PDT

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        •  O, I understand you perfectly, Pi Li. (0+ / 0-)

          You are not half as smart as you think you are as you are not doing a very good job of hiding your true intentions.
          And don't you spend even one second worrying about being polite to you. I could not care less about that, trust me.

          Maya Angelou: “There's a world of difference between truth and facts. Facts can obscure truth.”

          by JoanMar on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 07:23:55 PM PDT

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    •  I'm coming to this late (1+ / 0-)
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      AnnetteK

      But UNHCR recently released a study in which >50% of them are considered eligible for relief under the Refugee Convention.

      You are an attorney - but you know nothing about asylum law.

      Social group can include those targeted by criminal gangs that the national government is unable or unwilling to control.  This has been established in US law for more than two decades.

      “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

      by ivorybill on Wed Jul 23, 2014 at 01:58:30 PM PDT

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