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The recent ugly behavior toward the Central American kids can be described only one way: It's un-American.

As far as I remember, nobody spoke up back and said it was a lousy idea back in 2008 when George Bush signed the law giving special consideration to Central American kids fleeing the violence there. Now it's too late -- either shut your noise-hole or get with reality.

Our public employees are trying to cope with this mess because we have a LAW that requires it, dumbass.

The recent puke scenes of "grown-ups" jeering children have been replays of the 1950s, when TV networks regularly showed us mobs of our white neighbors screaming "nigger" at a couple of black kids trying to get a decent education. (I come from a long line of people named for Jefferson Davis, so spare me your self-righteous mewling.)

And just as U.S. federal policy created the racial hatred in the South, our government is behind the violence in Central America.

As Amy Goodman wrote last week for Nation of Change:

"The United States has a long and sadly bloody history of destabilizing democratic governments in the very countries that are now the sources of this latest wave of migration: most notably in Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador.

"In the 1980s and 1990s, U.S.-supported military regimes and paramilitaries killed hundreds of thousands of citizens in those countries. ... In Honduras, the U.S. supported the 2009 coup d'etat against democratically elected President Manuel Zelaya. After he was deposed, two successive U.S.-supported regimes have contributed to what University of California professor Dana Frank calls 'worsening violence and anarchy.' "

We made the mess and now we treat a bunch of fleeing kids like cockroaches as if it's their fault?

U.S. Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas (whose name may not be familiar to you because lately he's more often referred to in print as "America's dumbest congressman") has said our very existence is threatened by these kids.

Well, since it's Gohmert, I don't think I'll even dignify that with a comment.

Jose Antonio Vargas, identified as someone who came to the U.S. as an undocumented child himself more than 20 years ago, was quoted by Goodman as saying, "The only threat that these children pose to us is the threat of testing our own conscience."

Pretty much. And the people turning out in mobs to jeer the kids only pose a threat to keeping our lunches down.

Originally posted to wolfbane in AZ on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 02:10 PM PDT.

Also republished by Baja Arizona Kossacks.

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  •  Yep. (6+ / 0-)

    In our criminal justice system, a Republican is presumed innocent until the 2nd Coming. - Gooserock

    by ExpatGirl on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 02:25:19 PM PDT

  •  Fact Check (3+ / 0-)
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    nobody spoke up back and said it was a lousy idea back in 2008 when George Bush signed the law giving special consideration to Central American kids fleeing the violence there.

    That's not what the law was about. check your facts.

    •  Then it was about what? n/t (1+ / 0-)
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      This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain. A lie is half way around the world before the truth can get its shoes on. -- Mark Twain.

      by JJustin on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 02:42:55 PM PDT

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      •  Human trafficking and it's not just Cen Am but (5+ / 0-)

        anywhere who does not have a contiguous border with us.....

        Basically everyone in the world but Mexico and Canada.....

        But so what is my question.  So what the law was intended to deal with human trafficking....luckily for us and these kids, the law also happens to cover their flight to safety, esp if they can prove the issues in court.

        Only people I've seen bring up that point myself were those who would be in front of the bus screaming vile shit  at preteen kids.....

        Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
        I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
        Emiliano Zapata

        by buddabelly on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 03:04:13 PM PDT

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        •  And, therefore, the law includes the very things (1+ / 0-)
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          cited: it is humanitarian-based, and extends, especially, help to the most vulnerable of those at risk of being subjected to human trafficking:

          children.

          So the original post was not incorrect.

          This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain. A lie is half way around the world before the truth can get its shoes on. -- Mark Twain.

          by JJustin on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 03:27:34 PM PDT

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        •  UN estimates that there are currently 2,000- (1+ / 0-)
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          20,000 slaves in the US.  This does not refer to people who are simply mistreated here but refers to people being bought and sold as chattel    

          •  And the Walk Free Foundation estimates (0+ / 0-)

            that there are about 60,000; however, its definition of slavery also includes ‘slavery-like practices (such as debt bondage, forced marriage, and sale or exploitation of children), human trafficking and forced labour’.

      •  Human trafficking. nt (1+ / 0-)
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        Most of the people taking a hard line against us are firmly convinced that they are the last defenders of civilization... The last stronghold of mother, God, home and apple pie and they're full of shit! David Crosby, Journey Thru the Past.

        by Mike S on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 03:04:26 PM PDT

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    •  BTW, as concerns "illegals" and illegal (1+ / 0-)
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      immigration:

      The Founders of the several colonies, which became the US, were given the lands on which they founded their colonies by the king of England.

      The king of England did not own those lands, so could not legally take them, let alone give them to anyone.

      This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain. A lie is half way around the world before the truth can get its shoes on. -- Mark Twain.

      by JJustin on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 02:45:10 PM PDT

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  •  Well said, wolfbane. (7+ / 0-)

    At least the fact checking trolls don't dispute that Gohmert is Americas's dumbest congress person

    Take pride that even though the rest of the world may disagree, you still believe it to be a beautiful place. --Kurt Vonnegut

    by theBreeze on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 02:40:24 PM PDT

  •  All adults are responsible for all children. (3+ / 0-)
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    The facts on the ground for the children are sufficiently heartbreaking to not help them -- to not provide them shelter, support, and safety.  

    This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain. A lie is half way around the world before the truth can get its shoes on. -- Mark Twain.

    by JJustin on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 02:42:14 PM PDT

  •  Or us DFHs (8+ / 0-)

    hippies

    "The good Earth — we could have saved it, but we were too damn cheap and lazy." Kurt Vonnegut - "A Man Without a Country", 2005.

    by BOHICA on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 02:58:55 PM PDT

  •  We've been f*cking with countries since Mexico (1+ / 0-)
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    abolished slavery.

    I voted Tuesday, May 6, 2014 because it is my right, my responsibility and because my parents moved from Alabama to Ohio to vote. Unfortunately, the republicons want to turn Ohio into Alabama.

    by a2nite on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 03:01:41 PM PDT

  •  I agree about the significance of this issue, (2+ / 0-)
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    Mr. Vargas defines the issue, we are challenged by our conscience to give decent, caring help to these children.
    To meet them in the street with ugly chants of rejection only instills more fear.  They always look so forlorn in reports about them.   So many communities experience themselves as needy, oppressed and very angry about their condition.  They are without resources to help children, and  their behavior of meeting buses transporting these refugee children with angry rejection demonstrates their severely depleted resources.

    •  I live in a very red, red, red area. (6+ / 0-)

      Yesterday I heard a 'person' on the radio telling that 300,000 kids are here and now all personnel of the Border Patrol are infected with scabies, tuberculosis, pneumonia, STDs, measles and whooping cough. That's interesting because if they are, they are going to be dropping dead like flies.

       I so wanted a phone so I could call that idiot.

      “Listen--are you breathing just a little, and calling it a life?” ― Mary Oliver

      by weezilgirl on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 04:03:30 PM PDT

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      •  yep. and the left has no answer, little effort, (1+ / 0-)
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        and then has to play catch up.

         that crap started when the think tanks saw an opportunity to derail the latess immigration reform and take a shot at obama and decided to give this buzz.

        calling in to those shows can help, if they take calls and they don't cut you off. you might be reaching tens of thousands with stuff like

        "so why do you hate kids?" or "i thought you claimed to be  a christian"

        This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

        by certainot on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 04:23:14 PM PDT

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      •  "I so wanted a phone so I could call that idiot." (2+ / 0-)
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        I agree.

        As for the "kids in the buses", THEY ARE NOW IN FEDERAL DETENTION, and are being transported
        according to Federal law.

        It's absolutely no different from prisoners at the local jail being bused to a court proceeding, or being transferred from one detention center to another.

        Why do people find this so bloody frightening?

        Rep. Phil Gingrey (R-Ga.), a physician... cites"reports of illegal migrants carrying deadly diseases such as swine flu, dengue fever, Ebola virus and tuberculosis are particularly concerning."

        Well now, let's see...

        Dengue fever is a treatable mosquito-borne tropical disease and is endemic in more than 110 countries -- including the U.S.  These mosquitoes usually live between the latitudes of 35° North and 35° South below an elevation of 3,300 ft.

        Ebola has never occurred outside of Africa

        And there are vaccines for swine flu and tuberculosis, neither of which disease is limited to  Central America.

        I'd say these kids are no more likely or unlikely to be "disease-ridden" than American kids are.

        “Sin lies only in hurting other people unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense. (Hurting yourself is not sinful -- just stupid.)” ― Robert A. Heinlein, Time Enough for Love

        by midgebaker on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 06:35:59 PM PDT

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        •  Oklahoma is a very red state, (2+ / 0-)
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          yet an army base has opened up facilities and I hear are happy to welcome the children. Most of the military that I met when I lived near that base were Republicans. We had MoveOn.org meetings at a major's house and he stayed in the garage while we were there. He agreed with the organization but didn't want his superiors to know he was there during our meetings.

          So..I am so proud of that base.

          I view those right wing nuts like I do the open carry people. WTH are they thinking?

          “Listen--are you breathing just a little, and calling it a life?” ― Mary Oliver

          by weezilgirl on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 07:10:42 PM PDT

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          •  Also proud of that Oklahoma base ... (0+ / 0-)

            but even if people don't feel compassionate toward the kids, why would they oppose more jobs for their area -- temporary jobs, probably, but not minimum-wage crap jobs surely.

            Apologies for implying this law ONLY covers Central American kids -- I knew it applied elsewhere but just didn't proofread closely enough.

    •  Irony here is that the guy whom they look to as (1+ / 0-)
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      their Savior and Messiah was himself an illegal immigrant when Joseph took his little family into Egypt to escape Herod's persecution (Note: I know there is no history outside of the Gospels to support this narrative but this is what these exceptionalists believe)

      That is the question they have to answer: how can they worship Jesus who was an illegal immigrant in Egypt but found welcome there among nonbelievers.  (actually there have always been thriving Jewish settlements in Egypt for the past 4000 years or so but since these guys also believe in Exodus, why rock their theological boat?)

    •  Gov. Patrick of my home state of MA. has just (1+ / 0-)
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      announced that he would welcome some of the refugee children to our state.  We have two empty miliitary bases and these could house these children for a minimum of 4 months.  I am proud that we have extended our hands and hearts to these children and I look forward to helping them given Gov. Patrick's leadership on this issue.

  •  it starts at our local rw radio (3+ / 0-)
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    the local rw radio shits here are repeating the limbaugh/hannity/levin/savage crap about diseases and gangs and hating these kids on a regular basis and it's sick.

    This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

    by certainot on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 04:00:31 PM PDT

  •  It also reminds me of the scenes in Boston (4+ / 0-)
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    in the 70s when the schools were integrated.  Whatever the images these yahoos' actions call to mind, the bottom line is that American bigotry, racism and exceptionalism are the same to many Americans as Mom, apple pie and baseball, a sacred trinity.  Check out the treatment of Native Americans for anyone who has been asleep the last 200 years or the treatment of African Americans or the Chinese or any other immigrant groups.

    One thing that needs to be debunked is that these kids are Typhoid Marys or street running ragamuffins.  Most these kids are middle class kids whose families could scrape together the thousands needed  to pay smugglers to transport their children to a safer environment.  So most of the kids actually know about flush toilets and light switches and probably have a higher education level than their American peers.  More of them are vaccinated than their American peers.'

    However, I note yet another report from a "fact finding group" that these kids are fleeing for a better paycheck and not for their lives.
    http://www.veooz.com/...
    In the meantime, while they claimed the children's claims of their being victims of gang violence as overblown or fabricated, they also did not venture outside their hotel except to come from and go to the airport under armed guard.  They were advised it was too dangerous for them to even step outside in front of the hotel for a smoke.  So they had to stay in their rooms with armed guards but found the kids faced no danger from the gangs.
    I cannot find the original article for this but did find this helpful article http://www.vox.com/...  

  •  We need to demand (0+ / 0-)

    All border security personnel be pulled back at once. All people should be allowed to enter if the desire to, regardless of where they're from.

    You best believe it does

    by HangsLeft on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 06:26:54 PM PDT

  •  Again, I ask (1+ / 0-)
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    Where are the right-wingers that insist on adoption not abortion?

    Why aren't they stepping up to adopt these kids?  

    If they are anything like my daughter, who is from Guatemala, they are awesome!

    Come on, fundies, live by what you preach!

  •  1000 of them are coming to Massachusetts. (1+ / 0-)
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    I am so proud of Governor Patrick for doing the right thing.

  •  Indeed. Looking at the recent images, (1+ / 0-)
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    the same thought occurred to me.

    It's disgusting, but it's also frightening -- frightening to see a modern and prosperous people turn into a rabid mob over such a relatively minor problem. Crowds of American faces twisted into expressions of hatred toward innocent human is an image I thought we had left behind in the dustbin of history.

    Stephen Colbert does superb satire. Pity those offended by it.

    by VirginiaJeff on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 08:40:22 PM PDT

  •  Amy Goodman is 100% right (0+ / 0-)

    We create the messes and then we get outraged that the result is people fleeing these countries to come here?  I suppose we would also have been outraged if Iraqi came here after we bombed their country flat.  But it wasn't easy to come here when you are a flat broke so people ended up in Jordan, Syria, etc...

    Yes indeed you break it you get to fix it.

    "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Riane Eisler

    by noofsh on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 05:34:12 AM PDT

  •  Applause and a standing ovation....I have been (0+ / 0-)

    thinking the same damn thing....

  •  As the Rude Pundit said this week..... (1+ / 0-)
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    "The Rude Pundit wishes we were better than we are. But we're not. In fact, chances are that we're far, far worse than that."

    To read the entire article:
    http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/...

  •  Actually it happened the last time there was a (0+ / 0-)

    discussion about immigration reform when W was POTUS. Congressional Rs chickened out because their racist base hammered them.

    I voted Tuesday, May 6, 2014 because it is my right, my responsibility and because my parents moved from Alabama to Ohio to vote. Unfortunately, the republicons want to turn Ohio into Alabama.

    by a2nite on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 07:25:52 AM PDT

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