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Sure, 74 percent of the population thinks Congress generally is pretty much a waste of time, but people have always complained about Congress, right? And while they bitch about it, they keep on re-electing their own representative. "Throw those bums out, but my guy is okay," has been the way it's worked forever.

Well, maybe not anymore. This Congress has become so profoundly dysfunctional—and the results of that dysfunction so visible—that the new mood of the electorate seems to be "throw all the bums out." That's at least what a new Washington Post/ABC News poll suggests. For the first time ever, a majority of people don't like their own representative.

Just over half the public, 51 percent, say they disapprove of the job that their own member of Congress is doing in the new poll, rising above the 50 percent threshold for the first time in the quarter-century of Post-ABC polling on this question. Just 41 percent approve. That's a new low, though it's not significantly different from ratings last October (43 percent), immediately after the end of a 16-day partial government shutdown that sent Republican approval ratings through the floor. […]

The poll also finds, as usual, the Democrats' brand fares better than the Republicans' brand three months before the midterms, with 49 percent holding favorable views of the Democratic Party and 35 percent having a favorable view of the GOP. But Democrats' reputation edge is not expected to translate to big gains at the ballot box in November, with other polls showing 1) a much tighter race in whether voters plan to cast ballots for Democrats or Republicans, and 2) lower enthusiasm for voting among important Democratic-leaning groups. Election forecasters expect Republicans will maintain their majority in the House and say they also have a better than even chance of winning the six seats needed to take the Senate.

It's Markos's mantra at work: If we get our people out to vote, we win. And getting our people out to vote has always been a problem in midterms. But there's rarely been as much for Democrats to work with as Republicans have gifted us in the past two years—Hobby Lobby and immigration and Medicaid expansion, just to name a few issues.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Tue Aug 05, 2014 at 10:26 AM PDT.

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  •  Fascinating poll. However, (19+ / 0-)

    given the structural advantages for incumbents, it's a huuuuuge leap from "I disapprove of my rep" to "I'll cross party lines and vote for the unfunded warm body who's challenging him/her." There has never been a "throw the bums out" election (either one party's incumbents are punished, or none) -- and much would need to change with financing, gerrymandering, etc., before there's any chance of one.

    "I've always admired your tart honesty and ability to be personally offended by broad social trends." -Principal Skinner.

    by cardinal on Tue Aug 05, 2014 at 10:38:01 AM PDT

    •  Even if that happened, (12+ / 0-)

      the GOP has ensured that massively gerrymandered districts will keep them in power along with plenty of money to catapult the propaganda to voters.

      There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

      by Puddytat on Tue Aug 05, 2014 at 11:22:39 AM PDT

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      •  And somebody said this a.m. on TV that R control (8+ / 0-)

        of the House will last until about 2020.  
        I'm glad I don't have high blood pressure.  But I do yell and tear at my hair a lot, so maybe they'll cart me off to the nearest looney bin.

        Putting the fun back in dysfunctional.

        by hawkseye on Tue Aug 05, 2014 at 01:23:46 PM PDT

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        •  Yup; actually until 2022. (3+ / 0-)
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          Until after the next decennial census is taken and new districts are required. And even then maybe nothing will get done, depending on the census and the 2020 elections at the state level. Imagine if the census reveals no population changes or if the states all stay controlled by the same parties as in 2010. Then virtually nothing would/could change and we're stuck for another 10 years. These are reasons why I'm not so sanguine that anything dramatic is going to happen in my lifetime (I'm about to turn 52.)

          "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

          by bryduck on Tue Aug 05, 2014 at 01:38:46 PM PDT

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          •  Something is going to happen all right............ (11+ / 0-)

            It may even happen in my lifetime and I'm 72.  Between the economy, climate, killing and eating of the oceans on top of the toxic pollutants dumped, drained and injected... hell, it's already happening.  Throw in the poisoning of existing sources of potable water and we're there. Either people wake up or plan to die with their gas masks on.

            "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” — William Arthur Ward

            by cowdab on Tue Aug 05, 2014 at 02:08:36 PM PDT

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            •  Oh, sure. I was talking about (2+ / 0-)
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              cowdab, catdaddy1gg

              the political scene in response to a question, is all. We're fucked.

              "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

              by bryduck on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 10:25:42 AM PDT

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              •  I think cowdab was saying (1+ / 0-)
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                The political scene won't matter because there won't be anybody left to elect -- or vote.  We'll all be a part of the fossil record.

                I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

                by mojo11 on Thu Aug 07, 2014 at 04:49:16 AM PDT

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                •  You got it! Read in DKOS (0+ / 0-)

                  Meteor Blades writes WED AUG 06, 2014 AT 09:00 PM MDT
                  Open thread for night owls. Climatologist: If we release a small fraction of Arctic carbon, we're...

                  It is under "Open Thread for Night Owls."  I'm not good at this enough to give you an exact link.  I'm sure you can find it.  

                  The fat lady is singing but nobody's listening!

                  "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” — William Arthur Ward

                  by cowdab on Thu Aug 07, 2014 at 09:14:46 AM PDT

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          •  Keep your chin up... (0+ / 0-)

            As things heat up on them we will start to see the far right begin to eat its own.

            They are about promoting what is best for themselves and not for our society as a whole, so they have no true unity of purpose behind them.

            The cracks are already in the dam, their apologists are running out of patches and the ones they are forced to use are so transparently thin even a blind me could see through them.

            Add into the mix this lovely tool called the internet and the hard working true patriots like my fellow Kossacks that are shining a spotlight into the shadows the corrupt need to flourish and you have a real potential for rapid change.

            And that is why I believe they are doomed to fail.

        •  It won't begin in 2020 either unless..... (3+ / 0-)
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          hawkseye, VirginiaBlue, 503me

          those of us with like minds don't get going and get out the vote.  If you are clear about this being a starting point for taking our country forward (not backward) and not to expect miracles then others may get out and vote.

          Has anyone got an idea of how many decades of  devotion it has taken for repugs to get where they are now?  We have to match that dedication and then bump it up a mile!

          "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” — William Arthur Ward

          by cowdab on Tue Aug 05, 2014 at 02:04:17 PM PDT

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    •  If Debbie Wasserman-Schultz had shown @ Netroots (3+ / 0-)
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      ...she might have heard an emphasized need for serious GOTV by way of funding volunteers who knock on doors and work the phones. To trust the base and put more resources in the hands of the people who do the heavy lifting. And perhaps institute some smart phone banking with candidates COLLECTIVELY having calls made only a few times instead of to the point of annoyance. Just to make the argument for their candidiate ( and take voter feedback!), then latter trying a assure a vote for our candidates, then a few days before the election reminding people where their polling station is. Or making sure they send in an absentee ballot on time.

      I've heard that they are trying to do this more this year. I hope so but I'm not seeing much of a ground game yet. Ads are not particularly useful at turning out voters. Nothing beats contact with a volunteer who makes an effort because they care.

      That might squeak us into a win, or at least strongly minimize losses. But I don't have much confidence in the federal branch of the Democratic party coming up with many wins. Even though this is a rare midterm with a Democratic president where that is in reach.

    •  True (2+ / 0-)
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      silverfoxcruiser, cardinal

      Which is why we have the mess we do.  They aren't afraid to be themselves because their districts are gerrymandered and Americans have an amazing capacity to vote against their own best interests for which their children will pay down the road.

  •  Of course people dislike Congress. (23+ / 0-)

    However, as we saw with Eric Cantor, some people's choices will be between a John Bircher and a Birther.

    Money and re-districting. That's where our focus should be as well as getting out and voting for Democrats.

    "To take another person's life from the bench is no better than to take another person's life from the street"

    by commonmass on Tue Aug 05, 2014 at 10:42:20 AM PDT

  •  opportunity, not a certainty (12+ / 0-)

    if Democrats can frame the issues in a way that capture this mood and harness it for change, they will have a decent or at least not terrible outcome in November.

    if they assume "throw the bums out" will work on its own, then not so much, I think.

    1. Books are for use.

    by looty on Tue Aug 05, 2014 at 10:44:50 AM PDT

  •  I'll believe when the election polls reflect it (9+ / 0-)

    The system is structured to give the incumbent every advantage; the Establishment then leverages the corrupt system to ensure it survival.

    American government and big finance, natsec/mil complex, big oil = world's biggest and most successful RICO style cartel.

    Of the almost 1,900 dead Palestinians, the IDF said it killed "900 terrorists" in Gaza. Add that to its long list of lies.

    by pajoly on Tue Aug 05, 2014 at 10:49:59 AM PDT

  •  Simplistic (6+ / 0-)

    I've always hated the "vote against every incumbent regardless of party" mantra that pops up every two years.

    If that were to happen in 2014 we'd just end up with a Democratic House and a Republican Senate and the dysfunction will continue.

    I know that this is not what the diarist is promoting, and it isn't going to happen this year either, but when I hear people pushing that idea it tells me how little they understand about what is really going on.

    “I believe all Southern liberals come from the same starting point--race. Once you figure out they are lying to you about race, you start to question everything.” ― Molly Ivins

    by RoIn on Tue Aug 05, 2014 at 10:57:49 AM PDT

    •  Not Simplistic at all (0+ / 0-)

      Voting against the incumbent results in new representatives and no seniority ladder. Do it again next time and the following, and all the old Senators are gone too.

      It takes awhile in DC to locate the strings of power, if we can keep replacing the legislators we can break those strings. Plus everyone is remembering that they're there to serve us rather than the power brokers.

      And that is a good thing.

      The problem with history is that something happened the day before.

      by Theoleman on Tue Aug 05, 2014 at 03:29:43 PM PDT

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      •  When you replace them all repeatedly (1+ / 0-)
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        J Orygun

        you end up like Cali, who has term limits.  In a term limited environment, no legislator gets to stay long enough to learn what is what, so their staffers and the lobbyists can play them big time.

        "I watch Fox News for my comedy, and Comedy Central for my news." - Facebook Group

        by Sychotic1 on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 07:30:58 AM PDT

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  •  But when voters go into the booths (6+ / 0-)

    They will vote for those that are sitting in Congress now.  It's the "you know what you've got" and fear of making the necessary change to get the people's work done.  The current Congress has only passed something like 142 bills, and if reelected I expect to see even less bills passed in 2015/2016.  

    Never be afraid to voice your opinion and fight for it . Corporations aren't people, they're Republicans (Rev Al Sharpton 10/7/2011) Voting is a louder voice than a bullhorn but sometimes you need that bullhorn to retain your vote.

    by Rosalie907 on Tue Aug 05, 2014 at 11:06:23 AM PDT

  •  If we just were running on something like a Dem... (5+ / 0-)

    If we just were running on something like a Democratic version of the Contract with America. Our candidates need to be out there saying what they will do if they have majorities over the next two years. Unfortunately, I've yet to see that platform...

  •  Can't throw my bum congressman out, since (8+ / 0-)

    he's running unopposed in the general election. So since the GOP primary, he's been sittin' pretty (ugly).

    "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

    by Lily O Lady on Tue Aug 05, 2014 at 11:38:00 AM PDT

  •  Of course I disapprove (1+ / 0-)
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    ...but then, "my" Congressman is now the #2 guy in the House. :(

    America, we can do better than this...

    by Randomfactor on Tue Aug 05, 2014 at 11:38:37 AM PDT

  •  Not surprised (13+ / 0-)

    Democrats have done a terrible job of placing the blame where it belongs. I am so sick of "all politicians are terrible" and "both parties are to blame. The refugs have stated that their main objective is to make Obama fail. Where's that tape? Dems: make the connection. By trying to make the President fail, they let the country fail.

  •  In my district (6+ / 0-)

    (Virginia 6th) most of the time we can't even field a Democrat. When we do, I hardly hear of them, despite the fact that I am a registered Democrat myself. Last time we did, I don't know if he even came to Harrisonburg, which is the nearest big city to where I live; he darn sure didn't come to the little burg nearest my home. The only way I knew he was even running is that somebody near my doctor's office, which is in another county, had big signs for him out by the road. The time before that, I was reduced to voting for a candidate from the American Whig Party, who still had a better platform than my current congresscritter, who I utterly detest. This is reputedly the reddest district in Virginia.

    And who is that congresscritter, you ask? None other than the annoyingly smarmy little Bob Goodlatte (occasionally referred to in our house as "Badlatté"…apologies to "Buckaroo Banzai"), who, near as I can tell, is basically a tool of the poultry industry, a big deal regionally as chicken and especially turkey factory farms and production plants abound hereabouts. Bobby boy does not particularly keep fences mended and is not very responsive to his constituents. He doesn't come "home" much and communicates rarely. I did get a "survey" the other day, which I mailed back with a few blistering comments, one of which was that he does not listen to constituents with views differing from his own or answer questions from them, but I know it will only get me a "subscription" to his e-mail "newsletter" which I will have to cancel when I get around to checking on the account I use for spam. The only thing I can say in his favor is that he is not Eric Cantor, who used to be my congresscritter when I lived in Richmond. I seem to be fated to live among the heathen, or "heatherns" as we said in east Tennessee!

    Being "pro-life" means believing that every child born has a right to food, education, and access to health care.

    by Jilly W on Tue Aug 05, 2014 at 11:43:05 AM PDT

  •  I still think service in congress (9+ / 0-)

    should be like jury duty.  No incumbencies, serve 1 year, then OUTCHAGO, in with the new.  No more political careers, just good old public service rendered by the duly appointed custodians.

    Obviously our present system has been overrun by oligarchs who are all too happy to see the rest of us unemployed and starving/dying.

    •  I like the idea of dragging some unfortunate off.. (5+ / 0-) Washington and toss them into a Congressional office, slam the door and the Sergeant at Arms locks the door....

      "You wanna eat? LEGISLATE, Motherfucker!"

      < /snarkoff>

      "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

      by leftykook on Tue Aug 05, 2014 at 12:48:19 PM PDT

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    •  And I thought my preference for (0+ / 0-)

      mandatory voting was extreme... I like it. It could go with my concept of the 'minimum income'...

      "...So the world might be mended"

      by Cofcos on Tue Aug 05, 2014 at 01:41:37 PM PDT

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    •  That's a long-time Republican strategy (5+ / 0-)

      An ideal version of the old "term limits" mantra.

      The underlying purpose is to advance oligarchy and give all the power to the wealthy. The United Cabal of Robber Barons.

      If all the lawmakers are inexperienced, naive, and gullible, they'll hang their hat on ALEC boiler-plate legislation and pretend to take credit themselves.

      Sound familiar?

      Eliminating pensions, power-thru-seniority, extra income for committee membership, and shit like this would be much more effective than term limits or turnover solutions.

      Taking back the public airwaves would turn everything around. Hate radio and TV is destroying minds. The First Amendment was intended to apply personally and locally and within regional boundaries, mostly, imo. People were worried that a federal structure could take over and fuck up local traditions and culture. So we got assurances that the people would not be prevented from presenting our grievances.  But when we created the ability to multiply hate speech and lies by broadcasting it over OUR public airwaves (the telegraph before that), the personal First Amendment protections really don't address these new issues any more.

      The people should have a whole lot of power and influence over this kind of shit. We don't.

      [/small rant]

      "Never wrestle with a pig: you get dirty and the pig enjoys it"

      by GrumpyOldGeek on Tue Aug 05, 2014 at 02:58:15 PM PDT

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      •  No. (1+ / 0-)
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        You write"  If all the lawmakers are inexperienced, naive, and gullible, they'll hang their hat on ALEC boiler-plate legislation and pretend to take credit themselves."


        Public service belongs in the hands of the public, not these lobbyist whores.  As far as I'm concerned, trained chimps could do this job better than the 535 fucktards in office now, Dems AND Repugs.

        DOING THIS WILL REQUIRE SOME PREPARATION and some changes in existing law.

        The number ONE order of business will be to define and restrict the "rights" of artificial persons aka corporations.

        "Speech" must be re-defined as ... er.. speech, and spending money must be UN-defined as "speech."  Or, obviously everyone has to have the same amount of money or some people will have more right to free speech than others!  Simple!

        Campaign contribution limits will not be necessary, as public office will change hands every year and will be done by random mail selection.  Neither will Americans have to endure 3 1/2 years of political propaganda in-between election years.

        And of course, BRIBERY, aka, lobbying should once again be made ILLEGAL.  

        In fact, in this era of internet there is no reason that the PEOPLE couldn't directly contribute to the crafting of laws that affect them.   Perhaps it is time to take some of the burden off our "representative" democracy and try moving, at least to some extent, to a direct model.  This, coupled with ending incumbency and hence, endless campaigning and advertising as we know it, could only result in putting the "public" back into public service.

        I'm sick to fuckin' death and have had it beyond up to here with the useless professional whores and talking heads in Congress... it's time to return Mr. Smith to Washington.

        •  So replacing the stupid with stupider solves this? (2+ / 0-)
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          The stated purpose of this web site is to elect more and better Democrats. It's not to drop a nuke on Congress and start over with random unknown people.

          "Never wrestle with a pig: you get dirty and the pig enjoys it"

          by GrumpyOldGeek on Tue Aug 05, 2014 at 04:10:28 PM PDT

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        •  Actually yes (0+ / 0-)

          Look to California.  I deal with the state legislature quite frequently and Grumpy is right.

          "I watch Fox News for my comedy, and Comedy Central for my news." - Facebook Group

          by Sychotic1 on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 07:33:27 AM PDT

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        •  How about a third house (0+ / 0-)

          I too have thought that a collection of random voters can't possibly be worse than the collection we have now.
          But I also appreciate the need for professional lawmaking.  What if we have yet another house of congress: the Jury.  It's composed of a few randomly selected voters from each CD.  And every law has to be passed by them as well.  They are randomly selected so there's no money involved. There identities are secret until their terms are up.  Some will be nuts, but probably not most of them.  Maybe there's some Jury selection process.  They change every year.  Their sole purpose is to prevent congress from passing laws that most people don't agree with.  

          I'm still mad about Nixon.

          by J Orygun on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 02:11:38 PM PDT

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  •  Mine is a fairly standard Democrat. (4+ / 0-)

    Mostly pretty useless. Too young and new to be corrupt, but Im sure he will get there with time. Would I throw him out? Sure. If we could find a better person. But we cant. Thats the problem...none of the truly good potential public servants want any part of Washington. It attracts the best of the worst.

    Theres maybe...I dont know...possibly 5 to 7 members who are actually usueful, productive public servants.

  •  How do we get a Democratic Congressional majority? (0+ / 0-)

    Maybe you should offer solutions to get a Democratic majority in Congress and Senate.

  •  GOP won't have a better than even chance of taking (3+ / 0-)
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    Albanius, la motocycliste, sethtriggs

    the Senate if WE GET OUT THE VOTE!!!

  •  Democrats don't have a message. (1+ / 0-)
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    I pay as much attention to politics as I can stomach, which is far more than the average person but probably less than the average person here. And I have no idea how turning congress over to the Democrats would benefit me. I know how it would prevent bad things from happening, but 'well, at least no bills calling for your execution for being gay will get floor time' isn't exactly motivating...

    All I know is that it would allow President Obama to more freely appoint center-right people to governmental positions. And all that would do is help him justify spying and unilateral free trade.

    "...So the world might be mended"

    by Cofcos on Tue Aug 05, 2014 at 01:28:26 PM PDT

  •  We need to make it a wave election (5+ / 0-)

    According to a chart posted a day or so ago, 30 GOP House incumbents won by a margins of 10% or less.  Those seats, enough to flip the House,  will be in in play despite the off-year and the gerrymander IF WE MAKE IT A WAVE ELECTION.  

    Our side's job is to GOTV especially in competitive races, by mobilizing the disgust with the do-nothing, obstructionist Congess and make clear who done it.  

    We can win if and only if we can convert cynicism to righteous indignation.

    There's no such thing as a free market!

    by Albanius on Tue Aug 05, 2014 at 01:29:57 PM PDT

    •  You're right... (0+ / 0-)

      ...but I have to admit: Good luck with that.  There are an awful lot of 'yeah, and I've seen this material/heard that song before...'  The cynicism is true enough, but there a point where it acquires a layer of plain old tiredness, too.

  •  And if we don't get out the vote... (3+ / 0-)
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    bonch, dagnome, cowdab

    ... not only do we lose, but some of the stupidest, most ill-informed, bigoted and fearful people in the country score a big win -- which none of them will recognize as actually being a huge LOSS for their own interests.

    When you visit Wonky News Nerd, John Boehner cries.

    by WonkyNewsNerd on Tue Aug 05, 2014 at 01:30:36 PM PDT

  •  Strict term limits (1+ / 0-)
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    I think it should be a flat 10 year term.  That way, there's no need for them to constantly be fundraising and campaigning for re-election.  The only way to serve more than 10 is if you get elected to fill out someone else's term (death, retirement, resignation from scandal, whatever).  

    This unlimited terms crap is why we have people like McConnell sitting in DC for almost 30 years, or Boehner for 24 years.

  •  I wish we could vote to toss every Congresscritter (0+ / 0-)

    Wouldn't it be fun if the first question on the ballot were,

    "Do you want to remove everyone in the House of Representatives, disqualify them from running for one term, and have another election for a whole new House?"
    I'd vote yes.

    We're all pretty strange one way or another; some of us just hide it better. "Normal" is a dryer setting.

    by david78209 on Tue Aug 05, 2014 at 02:11:45 PM PDT

  •  Kay Hagan (1+ / 0-)
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    Gator Keyfitz

    Today I bought a T-shirt & Bumper sticker from her.
    I plan on helping her campaign in the near future.
    I might even go door knocking on Saturday.

  •  The solution to Gerrymandering (1+ / 0-)
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    Sychotic1 suggested by the recent case against it in Florida. This decision relates only to Florida and their Constitutional requirement that districts be drawn more cohesively and without favoring a political party.

    I believe a similar federal Constitutional argument can be made based on the 14th amendment. Equal protection can be demonstrated to be missing if the districts do not provide everyone a (somewhat) equal chance to choose a Republican or Democrat representative.

    The present gerrymandered districts violate the spirit of the 14th, all persons are not being treated equally, not even close. Any defense of districts shaped as they are would have to admit to unequal protection.

    Is there any support among you readers to explore this further?

    The problem with history is that something happened the day before.

    by Theoleman on Tue Aug 05, 2014 at 02:53:47 PM PDT

    •  There sure is here ...... BUT (0+ / 0-)

      You must keep in mind the gang of five who will not allow anything to jeopardize the repug party's control.  It would be a useless exercise but one worth having.  

      "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” — William Arthur Ward

      by cowdab on Tue Aug 05, 2014 at 03:00:43 PM PDT

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  •  GOP mission accomplished (4+ / 0-)
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    Theoleman, dagnome, Sychotic1, War4Sale

    Every time somebody says "throw all the bums out", Grover Norquist smiles.

  •  The system is completely broken (1+ / 0-)
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    Changing a few pieces on the board won't fix it. A real kick ass plan beginning with campaign finance reform is the only way home now.

    •  The economic system is broken (0+ / 0-)

      Of course, that leads to a politically dysfunctional system.  Campaign spending being just one system.  But at its core is a broken economic system that concentrates wealth in a few hands.  It's unworkable.  There can be no democracy (with a small "d") in such a system.  Voting will be reduced to merely a ritual if the system continues to be rigged by money.

      "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Riane Eisler

      by noofsh on Tue Aug 05, 2014 at 06:29:31 PM PDT

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  •  Wow never on a progressive blog have I read so ... (2+ / 0-)
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    Sychotic1, snwflk

    Wow never on a progressive blog have I read so many comments that act like both sides are too blame for the congressional dysfunction in the house and senate... Get off this site and go back too Politico! You people are why we lose mid terms! Vote too help us get America on track or there's the door you yahoo screening idiots!

  •  While you cry and fear monger about Dysfunction... (2+ / 0-)
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    While you cry and fear monger about Dysfunction in congress and refuse too vote.. I'm getting voting pelages.. I have so far gotten 23 families too vote Democrat this year because I did the work you loons won't do! Victory must be earned! Not handed too you! Take it or get out of the party..

  •  How about you people help us out instead of sit... (0+ / 0-)

    How about you people help us out instead of sitting on your butts?

    •  I agree that we should not be sitting on our butts (0+ / 0-)

      HOWEVER, you have no idea what we are doing when we are not on this blog.  I usually spend money instead of time, but I do drive a bunch of my liberal family members to the polls every election.

      Casting aspersions at someone you don't know isn't a way of motivating people.

      "I watch Fox News for my comedy, and Comedy Central for my news." - Facebook Group

      by Sychotic1 on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 07:37:10 AM PDT

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  •  Especially here in Texas, where there's just so... (0+ / 0-)

    Especially here in Texas, where there's just so much stupidity. It'll be interesting to see what wins - racism and hatred of women or wanting to make sure our kids and our state have a future.

  •  It's hard to feel pride (0+ / 0-)

    As a Democrat when many of my fellow Democrats feel it's only necessary to vote every 4 years. Say what you will about Republicans, but at least they're smart enough to recognize the importance if voting regularly.

  •  I am dubious of polls like these (0+ / 0-)

    I admit in not knowing the methodology of it, but I would only have confidence in a poll like this if the the person questioned could also name who their rep actually is. It is truly shocking how ignorant the general public is concerning their own government.

    Just another day in Oceania.

    by drshatterhand on Tue Aug 05, 2014 at 04:20:52 PM PDT

  •  Do States Need Federal Interference? (0+ / 0-)

    Why isn't it illegal for states to gerrymander districts? We live in a democracy, but there is nothing democratic about it. It shows just how immoral, ethically-challenged, and corrupt they are that they can't win without "fixing" state elections.

    Why hasn't anything been done to change it before elections occur? It's not like it was just implemented.

    "A cheat is a cheat is a cheater no matter how politicians try to spin it."

  •  Winning (1+ / 0-)
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    Democrats will "win" the midterms in November (regain control of states; hold onto the Senate, possibly even retake the House) if we make the Republican Party and its policies the issue of this campaign and make it very clear how we will do things differently.  All it takes is determination.

    "The test of our progress is not whether we add to the abundance of those who have much. It is whether we provide enough to those who have little. " --Franklin D. Roosevelt

    by jg6544 on Tue Aug 05, 2014 at 04:38:25 PM PDT

  •  Meh... (0+ / 0-)

    All this means is the incumbents stand a good chance of getting primary-ed.

    Big whoop. That means even more of the same in the next Congress.

  •  Everyone talks about "getting out the vote" (0+ / 0-)

    But we're not going to motivate voters to turn out in larger numbers until we have candidates who actually represent their interests.  Honestly, I don't feel my views and interests are truly being represented by the Democratic Party.  I keep showing up and voting for them to try to keep the Republicans from destroying the nation, but many other folks seem to need more positive reasons to motivate them to make the effort to go out to the polls.

    If we want voters to turn out, we need more grassroots candidates who share the same views and interests as their constituents and who are willing to fight for them.  Say what you want about those Tea Party lunatics, but they do try to represent the views of their nutty base, so the base feels passionate about voting for them.

    I believe this is the root cause and solution to the basic problem, but the party leadership won't acknowledge it because they are beholden to the same corporate interests as the Republicans.

    Feel trickled on yet?

    by War4Sale on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 11:58:24 AM PDT

  •  Alabama (0+ / 0-)

    Nobody ever runs against the Republican Senate incumbments, if they do they have no money like those in office do.

    Get elected to Congress, become a milliionaire & stay forever.

  •  My Opinion (1+ / 0-)
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    As a voter, taxpayer, I see, our Government representatives are not working for us. I have yet to see any Senator, Congressman do anything worth while. We, the voting taxpayers still pay outrageous taxes, with low paying jobs, no jobs, outrageously bad economy, outrageous utility bills, stupid tax laws that only effect the working poor, forced to buy insurance, forced to buy medical insurance to pay outrageous medical billing prices, that do absolutely nothing to lower the prices, cost of medicine, or medical procedures, or doctor visits, ect. They want me to donate to senators that are outrageously over paid, and do noting to help the United States Taxpayers, the working poor, the people that pay their outrageous salaries. I feel like I am paying welfare recipients, as I get the same result, nothing. Yet the price of everything keeps going up making life more difficult for the working poor, The United States Taxpayers. When will the stupidity of our Government officials stop? They all need to be replaced and real working people put in their place. We need a two term policy for all Government jobs. This would help put an end to the corruption that exists in our Government today, making life better for the people that pay for it, The United States Taxpayers.
    Removing Government controls from the oil industry opened up the gates for big business to run our Government. That is why we are in the sinking boat we are in today, again thanks to our Government representatives.
    When will the next great idea from our Government representatives help us all out, and make the rich richer, and the working poor, poorer?

  •  I don't agree with Markos. (0+ / 0-)

    "If we get our people out to vote, we win."  
    What exactly do we win?  More of the same with different faces?  
     Nader was right.  There isn't a dimes worth of difference. The Dems are only marginally less horrible than the Repubs.    The two party system has failed us utterly.  The states are so gerrymandered that there is no way that the will of the people will effect the outcome of elections.  Add to that the fact that our elections have been so  deeply corrupted and it doesn't really matter how we vote.  The result is already determined before we ever see a ballot box.
    We need radical change in our system or we are just wasting our time and effort.
    The first thing to do is to stop supporting the two party systems.  That means no votes for Democrats too.  
    If we keep doing what we have been doing, we will continue to get the same corporate party ruling our lives and destroying our world.

  •  Get out the vote (1+ / 0-)
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    I agree with Markos, getting the voters to register and to the polls (or the polls to them if immobile)is a must. With all the gerrymandering that has gone on, the cards are stacked against the DEMS. I feel the DEMS must get transportation availability, by donation of school bus etc., with coordinated effort to get people registered and to the proper polls for voting. I feel that would be money equally important in being spent and maybe more fruitful. Talk about grassroots effort. Everything else to me seems more like spinning the wheels in the mud. Not only that, but there would then be a captive audience in a bus to flaunt the spectacular job by the DEMS to get accomplished what they have without any help from the GOP Congress. The DEMS must also stand up for the causes they believe in and not shy away for votes. The votes will come with backbone which the voters are craving.

  •  Congress is a product of 18th century logistics. (0+ / 0-)

    When the founders wrote the Constitution in 1776, they did the best they could in regards to figuring out what "We The People" would want to happen with THEIR country. Those decisions could only travel as fast as a man could go on horseback or sailboat.
    Thus they chose "elected representatives", just to cut down on the tedious counting and pointless traveling.

    Today, we no longer have those logistical limits. Computers and the internet can assure instantaneous polling. And with this, the old time reliance on "Congressmen" to understand what "We The People" expect their government to do (or refrain from doing) has become a relic of the past and could be abandoned for better a method.

    Therefore, Congress should be abolished and it's duties returned to "We The People" through direct democracy.

  •  Replace these bums. This November is going to l... (0+ / 0-)

    Replace these bums. This November is going to look like a presidential race at the polls. The turnout will be shocking. Americans are disgusted. I say throw out the entire concept of a Supreme Court. It's a outdated appendage to our government that has failed the American citizens one time too many!

  •  I GOT YOU ALL BEAT! (0+ / 0-)

    My hatred of the Republicans in Congress is so deep, I can say without hesitation that I wish Flight 93 had NOT been diverted to the crash site in Pennsylvania. We all know it was headed for the Congress. I sincerely wish it had gotten there. All the greedy crooked Republicans and lobbyists would have gotten their due, instead of the 3000 innocent people who perished at the WTC & Pentagon. The GOP was in control of the entire Congress in 2001, so we would have been rid of Newt Gingrich and all his cronies...many whom are still there today.
    I would not mourn the loss of ANY of the bastards!!!

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