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Has America crossed a symbolic Rubicon river tonight ? Or duh ... "where have you been?" is the response from others who say that this over use and zealous passion for militarization of our police has been going on all around the country since at least 9-11 ?
Even so ... I would argue that yes... we at a minimum have ripped the thin veneer off a wound that has been festering with a resurgent deadly form of racism tonight and that Ferguson, Missouri is really representative of a sickness that has spread all over the police forces of America due to a right wing extremism ushered in by the illegitimate presidency of George W. Bush.

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  •  Cross the Rubicon. (7+ / 0-)

    Yes, we did,
    A long time ago,
    When we bought
    That slave in
    Africa.

    •  Original Sin: (10+ / 0-)

      The two sins in the birth and development of our country:  genocide of First Nations peoples, and enslavement of African peoples.  The common denominator of both, being the treatment of people as if they were things.  

      After WW2, Germany de-Nazified, and the Allies set about imposing culture change.  It worked.  

      America has never had that: the sin remained uncleansed, the injustices continued, the wounds festered, the attitudes persisted.

      Somehow we have got to come to grips with this and take the steps analogous to Germany's repudiation of the evils of Naziism.  

      One of those steps in Germany, was the passage of laws forbidding Nazi speech including Holocaust denial.  

      One of the signs that we are ready to address the Original Sins of our nation, would be to repudiate utterly the idea that racist speech and hate speech are "protected" or in any other way legitimate.

      There is something in the European Union's equivalent of the Bill of Rights, stating that no enumerated right entitles anyone to deny or infringe the rights of others.  

      We need that here, as a constitutional amendment.  

      "Open carry" of racism and hatred, kills people.  

      We got the future back. Uh-oh.

      by G2geek on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 01:43:29 AM PDT

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      •  You can't display Nazi symbols in Germany... (3+ / 0-)

        but you can paint your truck with a Confederate flag and still have people defend you.

        •  Yes, and that needs to stop. (1+ / 0-)
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          Remember "my right to open carry trumps your dead kid"?

          How'bout "my right to free speech trumps your dead kid"?

          The principle is the same, and the criticism is the same, and the solution is the same.

          Absolutism or maximalism in pursuit of any right, including the right to free speech, translates to a climate that minimizes or zeroes-out the more fundamental rights of every person to not be subjected to violence up to and including murder.

          If we had an absolute or maximalist right under the 4th Amendment, to be free of any and all searches of our persons, homes, and papers, there would be an explosion of crime: murders with buried bodies, child pornography, financial fraud, and so on, because there would be no way to perform searches to obtain evidence.  Instead we balance that right to privacy, against the necessity for investigating crimes, and we do it with the check and balance of warrants signed by judges, that can be challenged by the defense in court.

          There is no right to shout "Fire!" in a crowded theatre.

          There should be no right to shout "N-----!" on a crowded street or otherwise incite violence against any individual or group.  

          The presumption should not be that a targeted person is obligated, for the sake of protecting the aggressor's freedom of speech, to arm himself or herself and be prepared to defend himself or herself with deadly force.

          But as you see, there are two consequences of that kind of "speech."  One, that it normalizes aggression against innocent persons, contributing to a culture of violence that has deadly consequences.  Two, that it contributes to the proliferation of weapons in our society (these being the weapons we are expected to use to defend ourselves against the violence incited by others' "speech"), with additional deadly consequences.

          Patrick Henry said "Give me liberty or give ME death."

          He did not say "Give me liberty or give YOU death."  

          No person has the right to their own liberty at the expense of someone else's suffering or injury or demise.

          This principle is embodied in the European equivalent of our Bill of Rights.  Europe has not as a result fallen into despotism.  The experiment has been done and it has proven successful.  As with health care policy, we should be willing to take the medicine when it will cure our ills.

          We got the future back. Uh-oh.

          by G2geek on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 06:37:17 AM PDT

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  •  It's been incremental... by diabolical design... (1+ / 0-)
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    Has America crossed a symbolic Rubicon river tonight ? Or duh ... "where have you been?" is the response from others who say that this over use and zealous passion for militarization of our police has been going on all around the country since at least 9-11 ?

    "If one would give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest man, I would find something in them to have him hanged." - 17th-century French clergyman and statesman Cardinal Richelieu.

    by markthshark on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 01:29:29 AM PDT

  •  America crossed the Rubicon in Ferguson... (6+ / 0-)

    ...earlier this week, the minute it was acknowledged in the press that the network of Fusion Centers that manage our domestic surveillance state were working in conjunction with the Ferguson Police Department.

    "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

    by bobswern on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 01:38:02 AM PDT

  •  Remember when they crossed the Danziger bridge. (4+ / 0-)

    And how everyone took to the streets in response. Yeah me neither. This shit happens over and over again because people in this country are too chicken shit brainwashed to do anything about it.

    "It strikes me as gruesome and comical that in our culture we have an expectation that a man can always solve his problems" - Kurt Vonnegut

    by jazzence on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 01:58:04 AM PDT

    •  Yes indeed. If we've crossed a Rubicon, (1+ / 0-)
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      then only to end up on the fascist side.  

      I doubt there will be any turning back.

      Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

      by corvo on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 03:01:05 AM PDT

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    •  can't seem to get people to believe that Danziger (0+ / 0-)

      even happened. even the wiki search for "Danziger Bridge Convictions" immediately redirects to "Danziger Bridge Shootings" in the same way that the Operation Iraqi Liberation we remember if we were old enough to have heard it 'live'* redirects to a simple 'Iraq War'.
          I lost a good friend over this issue at the time, as I ended up yelling at her "Why the hell don't they just get up and walk to the next town??!
      Because the police are shooting unarmed innocent people who try it!"
          She refused to believe me and except for dkos, I couldn't prove it.

      *and as with "breaking news" the word "Live" as a graphic on the screen used to mean just that- happening now in front of all of us. But apparently it has become screen decoration too, as I see it all over in day scenes at night and vice versa on the news. Good thing there is some clue- is there a live-stream to any of this in Ferguson?

      We are all pupils in the eyes of God.

      by nuclear winter solstice on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 06:23:19 AM PDT

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    •  I keep waiting for when enough (0+ / 0-)

      becomes enough.  It prolly should have happened during #Occupy in Nov. 2011.
      Sandy Hook, maybe??
      I've come to the conclusion it's not going to happen.  Never going to happen.
      Americans fat and happy, and Ferguson and Sandy Hook and... and... and... are things that happen somewhere else.  Not in our America.  Nothing to see, move along, move along.  Crossing the Rubicon??  Hardly.  We got MUCH more tolerance for coppers shooting N-words that don't belong here in America anyway.
      Our tolerance for being bullied by the KochBros, by Wingers, by the police is endless.  Just don't bother us.  We're minding our own business.  Just leave us alone.  Go bother them.

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      by winkk on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 06:56:37 AM PDT

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      •  Yes but... (1+ / 0-)
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        the president and the governor just spoke and ...the arrogant police there really fked up on going after the press. Stupid move. Thank you, but I hope we are both wrong about the Rubicon. Take care :)

        •  Well, I hope I'm wrong, too, but... (0+ / 0-)

          if it were going to happen - crossing that Rubicon - I would think it would have happened by now.  Maybe this is it.  Maybe this is the week Americans said enough.  But, we had a caller to our Show last night that asked, "Ferguson?
          What happened in Ferguson?  A shooting?  whatever..."
           I believe that to be
          the general sentiment.  Another shooting... ??  Whatever... [sigh]

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          by winkk on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 12:15:45 PM PDT

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  •  Nope. This is not what was done during occupy. ... (0+ / 0-)

    Nope.

    This is not what was done during occupy. It's no tipping point, just a moving closer to one.

  •  What can we do to help Ferguson (2+ / 0-)

    residents?  I'm so frustrated.

    I'm what Willis is talking about.

    by pitbullgirl65 on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 05:17:00 AM PDT

  •  If, indeed, Ferguson is 69% black, the residents (3+ / 0-)

    need to get together, register to vote, and take over the city government. Then they can reorganize the police department.
       They will, at best, make minor gains (at the cost of brutalization and arrest) through street protests and confrontation. And the Ferguson situation will be used by TPTB to support FURTHER police militarization.

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