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Centuries apart they are one and the same. History repeating itself.
What the victims of Isis are put through is horror beyond imagination. Isis must be stopped, not for Iraq, not for America but for humankind. thinkingblue

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  •  Tip Jar (1+ / 0-)
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    thenekkidtruth

    A search for truth will find injustice!

    by thinkingblue on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 09:44:12 AM PDT

  •  That's ISIS giving the Khanate a bad name (2+ / 0-)
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    True, they invented the first blitzkrieg, but the Mongol Horde actually treated its conquests pretty well as long as they surrendered and capitulated (which they usually did).

    If they didn't, the Horde had no illusions about their will to win, but part of the reason they assembled the largest empire in human history three different times was that they actually ruled rather compassionately. They wanted tax tribute - otherwise, they kept the original local government pretty much in place.

    Many of the myths about the Mongol conquests are just that - myths. Mongols would send native messengers ahead with appalling but untrue stories about Golden Horde carnage, devastation and war crimes to get that city to surrender. The Mongols were pretty smart - surrender was always the best way to create their empire.

    Every day, I get up and pray to Jah . . take the skinheads bowling . . take them bowling . .

    by thenekkidtruth on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 11:07:12 AM PDT

    •  After their conquests... (1+ / 0-)
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      the Mongols had a curious habit of getting "localized" by the conquered.

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      by TakeSake on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 11:21:29 AM PDT

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      •  It had a lot to do with who they married. (1+ / 0-)
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        With the Mongol Horde the men would fight while a lot of the administration as well as of course the raising of children was put in the hands of their wives.  That was how a lot of the first and second generation Mongols became Christian.  Western Mongolia and some of the closest conquered lands were Nestorian Christian and a lot of Mongols took Christian wives.  As the Mongols advanced into Muslim lands a number took Muslim wives and their kids ended up being raised as Muslims.  Though in some cases like with the tail end of the Ilkhanate you had political conversions.  And of course you had the conquest of China.  Where they certainly did go native.

        As for the Mongols.  Genghis was pretty damn brutal.  And while cities could escape have their population slaughtered with surrender the conditions demanding were not ones that exactly encouraged surrender.

        As a way to discourage rebellions he killed the local aristocracy of those they conquered.  So while a city could surrender their rulers would have to agree to themselves and their entire family being executed.  A hard pill to slaughter.  I remember reading in a book that Iran only returned to it's pre-Mongol invasion population at the start of the 20th century.

        The formerly Iranian populated (and now due in large part to wholesale slaughter Turkic populated cities of Merv (in Turkmenistan) and Balkh (in the Uzbek populated portion of Afghanistan) were two of the oldest, largest, wealthiest, most cultured cities in the world.  That certainly is not the case anymore.  And a large part of that was the Mongol invasion.

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        by Taget on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 02:01:36 PM PDT

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  •  Why Stop there? (0+ / 0-)

    If you're gonna go all history, what about The Umayyad Caliphate or Saladin or the Ottomans or countless other Conquerors and Destroyers that have rampaged over history?  Is it because Genghis being a Mongol is a "safe" reference, ignoring those in history that ISIS is supposedly descended from?

    "When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains, And the women come out to cut up what remains, Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains An' go to your Gawd like a soldier." Rudyard Kipling

    by EdMass on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 11:07:19 AM PDT

  •  ISIS has lost four major battles in a row. (0+ / 0-)

    An Iraqi-Iranian force retook Tikrit. ISIS lost its whole attacking force trying to get in to Samarra. Same for attacking the air base just north of Tikrit. And the Kurds just killed 170 of them with militia counterattacks.

    The ISIS raiders are crappy soldiers. Interesting attack scheme utilizing suicide bombers and anti-aircraft guns in place of ordinary .30 and .50, but otherwise worse than mediocre.

    Up against perimeter defense on the Qusayr Model, they lose their whole attacking forces.

    The Great Khan ??? No way.

    "The illiteracy of our children are appalling." #43

    by waterstreet2008 on Fri Aug 15, 2014 at 06:42:39 AM PDT

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